State of the Miami Dolphins Roster: Wide Receivers
by Matty I on Feb 8, 2011 5:00 AM EST
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This post is part of a series of posts that will break down and evaluate the Miami Dolphins position by position. If you haven't read up on how players are being classified (the number and letter that follow each player's name), you can read this post explaining the evaluation system. You can also read the previous posts in this series by clicking here.
Many seem to have mixed feelings about the Dolphins' receiving corps. But I think the group is actually under-appreciated by most. All they are missing is one key piece - which we'll get to in a moment. But first, the grades...
Brandon Marshall (1-A). Say what you want about Brandon, but he's unquestionably an elite receiver. He's the "alpha receiver" that this offense has long been wanting. Despite a "down year" in 2010, Marshall went over the 1,000 yard mark for the fourth consecutive season. Hopefully Brian Daboll will utilize Marshall much better than Dan Henning did as we move forward.
Davone Bess (2-C). Davone has been a fan favorite since making the team as an undrafted free agent out of Hawaii in 2008 and then making 54 receptions for 554 yards his rookie year. Since then, all Davone has done is become the best slot receiver in the NFL - at least in my opinion. His best football is still ahead of him, too.
Brian Hartline (2-C). I've never understood why many Dolphin fans seem to give Hartline so much crap. In two seasons, all Hartline has done is make 74 receptions and average over 15 yards per catch since being a 4th round pick in 2009. Do I wish he was just a little faster? Sure. But the kid has good hands, is very tough, and still has plenty of upside.
Roberto Wallace (3-D). Wallace has the size and speed you want in a receiver (6'4, 225). But the former undrafted free agent is very raw and has to improve if he wants to make this roster in 2011. Having played in 12 games in 2010, he is no longer eligible for the practice squad - which means he'll be in a tough competition this offseason. He needs to improve his route running and become more consistent catching the football. But there is upside here.
Marlon Moore (3-D). Moore, like Wallace, will be in a battle for a roster spot this offseason. He's got more speed than Wallace - but also suffers from the same issues. He needs to improve his route running, particularly getting in and out of his breaks and creating separation. He also suffers from inconsistent hands. But, again, there's a lot of upside here.
Julius Pruitt (4-F). Pruitt has been part of this organization since 2009 when he was signed to the Dolphins' practice squad as an undrafted free agent. But he hasn't seen any action and it's getting to the point where the coaches must decide if Pruitt has any future with this team or not. He's a speed receiver. But there's obviously been issues holding him back.
Brooks Foster (4-F). Coming out of North Carolina, Foster was a 5th round pick of the Rams in 2009. Since then, he's bounced around and is pretty much an unknown to Dolphin fans. He was given a reserve/future contract last month, which is nothing more than an invitation to training camp - if he makes it that far.
Patrick Carter (4-F). Carter is another guy who was given a reserve/future contract last month. He's bounced around this league with Seattle and Denver and is nothing more than another camp body.
Contract situations: There's not really anything here worth monitoring. Miami's top five receivers are all under contract for at least two more seasons.
Outlook: There's one glaring weakness of this unit that we are all aware of - speed. The Dolphins will likely look to fill that void in some way with a speed receiver - a Mike Wallace/Johnny Knox type of receiver who can stretch the field and give Marshall and Bess some more room to work underneath. If the Dolphins can identify and acquire that kind of complementary, their offense will obviously be much more dangerous in 2011.
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Yes....Yes.....Yes.....
Titus is legit, has the speed, the hands and can take on multiple roles. Was a few yards shy of 4900 all purpose yards with 35 touchdowns in his four years with Boise State.
MOSS / PLAX - two more words!
You guys want WR’s that open the field and draw attention – these are 2 guys who we can prob get on the cheap and are absolute beasts. Both have off the field issues, but frankly, they’re prob tired of their own hype and ready to finish their careers on a high, i mean positive, note.
Color me optimistic, but i would def spend some $$ to bring those guys in if need be. Picture a spread lineup of Plax, B Marsh, Bess and Moss. Without costing us a single draft pick…..
As my man maury finkle said, “Do it…..Do it”
Moss is washed up and Plax probably is too
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is he a FA?
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Hes an unrestricted free agent. I’ve been calling for the FO to go after Walker for a while now and I think its very possible as he is exactly what we need and want. He is 6-3 and about 220 but still runs a 4.35 forty. Jags fans are frustrated with him as he never developed into an alpha receiver but it really isn’t his fault because he is more in the build of a great and well rounded number 2. Wouldn’t mind raiding the Jags for Marcedes Lewis as well.
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walker or lewis would be huge
i would love to get MSW just to pair up Marshall with him. They’re best friends from back at UCF and you know they would be perfect together
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Do we need a QB, to get them the ball or is there a "vick like effort" in henne's arm like in week 14 or 15!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 8, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
There is no question about Henne's arm!
But really…how the F is he suppose to develop when his protection sucked? IMO he didn’t get the “consistent” time needed after the snap to scan the field. When he DID have it, he looked great!
When a newbie QB is constantly hurried, he is going to feel he has to “lock on” to a receiver, because he has to or be sacked!
I’m still a believer in Henne.
Bottom line…we need a line. Get Mankins for L guard, draft O’Dowd for Center!
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Even locked on to a receiver,
he was incredibly inaccurate on his throws. If he didn’t have great receivers like Marshall and Bess who can contort their bodies or use their quick instincts to dive for the balls, his completion % would have been below 60.
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I'll gladly take Walker since he's an FA
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hate to be a debby downer but we just dont need another high priced FA WR
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 8, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
We also have alot more pressing needs elsewhere
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 8, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
If Jets could fit all of their A-list players under 1 roof, we should be able to
fit a few under ours.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Feb 8, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Damn
I aint know he was that fast. Shit thats an upgrade at the #2 spot and on top of that he’s boys with Marshall, so you know it’s a good fit.
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That guy sucks!!
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by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 8, 2011 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
He was never utilized correctly.
People wanted him to catch the ball in traffic when he is a small receiver. His job should have been to burn the DBs and catch the ball with separation (which happened beautifully against The Jets with Henne) but Pennington didn’t have the arm strength to get that done.
Another big fat knock on Henning IMO. He did quite well as a return man for the 49ers this year.
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by joel311 on Feb 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No he just sucked
he ran poor routes and had crappy hands.
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He dropped a few passes early in the season.
Then he was very solid from there on out often putting up more yards than the other receivers in games. What games were you watching?
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the saints game over and over
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I dont know what your talking about
the guy dropped a ball at least once every game he played
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by Souwantmyname on Feb 8, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
How would you properly utilize a WR that is afraid to get hit?
Sure Ginn could just run verticals all day long but I don’t want a WR whose hands are shaking when the ball comes because he is afraid of getting hit. It’s like the old saying, you can’t teach speed. While that applies to Ginn so does the notion of “You can’t teach guts.”
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
Didn't matter how well he caught, but you had to cover him downfield which left room
underneath. The problem was not releasing him but failing to properly replace him.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Feb 8, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
This is logic I don't understand at all.
It doesn’t matter how well he caught?
If you can’t catch a football, you are not a threat, I don’t care how fast you are. You’re not a downfield threat, you’re not an upfield threat, you’re not a threat in the flat, and you’re not a threat down the middle. You can be as fast as you want. Bigger than all outdoors. But if you can’t catch a bloody football, no defense will treat you as a threat. They will press the underneath routes, clog the running game, and cover you with the worst DB on the field, knowing you’re a low-probability risk even when you’re open.
Not having a speed receiver hurts this offense, but not having Ted Ginn doesn’t. Ginn wasn’t a speed receiver. He was no kind of receiver at all. He was just speed.
Ted Ginn was not covered by the worst DB on the field
in one on one coverage. Regardless if he only caught the ball 50% of the time, that means 1 out of 2 times that you don’t account for him is a home run.
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50% of what, though?
We need to think about the actual numbers. First, there’s every offensive play in the game. Roughly half of those are going to be runs, so eliminate those. Of the pass plays, a big chunk are going to be screens, hitches, quick slants, etc. Of the remaining pass plays, you’re not going to be on the field for some of them. Of the remaining pass plays after that, some number will be designed to go to a different receiver. Of the remainder after that, some number will not involve a pass at all, because the QB gets sacked before he can get the ball off. Of course, the deeper the route, the more time it takes to develop and therefore the more likely a sack is; so for a receiver like Ginn, that’s a huge subtraction. Of the remainder after that, there’s the plays where you’re just not open. (Even the worst DB on an NFL field is going to get the job done a significant portion of the time.) Of the remainder after that (I’m running out of emphasis, here), there’s the plays where the QB just misses you. And, of course, the farther downfield the pass travels, the less likely it is to be on target; so, again, for a receiver like Ginn, that’s a huge subtraction.
At this point you’re talking about a very small number of scoring opportunities for a receiver. If you then cut that number in half again because that receiver can’t receive, the actual threat presented is very, very small.
Any self-respecting DC is going to take away the easy passes underneath and force the guy who can’t catch to beat him way downfield. Even if he succeeds twice and goes all the way for two long touchdowns — which is unlikely — that’s only 14 points. If you can’t win the game when the other guy only scores 14, the problem isn’t your defensive game plan.
You mean like when New Orleans double-covered him on a quick out route that put him about 5 yards downfield?
No, you can’t be talking about that one because he had no one near him and he still dropped the ball.
I agree though that his intangibles had to be replaced on the roster and they were not. That’s what Torrey Smith is good for this year.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
Smith has just as good hands as Ginn
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Ginn has great hands. He just can't piss himself and catch a football at the same time.
And we all know he would piss himself first so by the time he was ready to catch the ball it was already too late.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 10, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO!
But seriously, Snith is going to have drop issues because he catches with his body. I’ve never understood why people do that because it is much easier for me to catch it with my hands. Also, I’ve only heard of LBers being body catchers, not WRs. O-o
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Where did you get that from?
I’ve seen him make plenty of catches with his hands. He doesn’t have a lot of extension in his arms from what I’ve seen but typically he doesn’t have to because the QB can get it close to his body since he gets open. He does extend and catch with his hands when he has to from what I’ve seen. Smith will catch passes close to his body but he does CATCH them which is good enough for me and ten times better than stone hands Ginn.
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by TheFinReaper on Feb 10, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
From watching videos of him.
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exactly
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by Deuce Black on Feb 8, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice reply we might get him for the leauge min. ST upgrade!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 8, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Always love a good Ted Ginn argument
Joel311 has it right. Most wide receivers aren’t superstars in their first few years. People are JUST NOW falling in love with Greg Jennings (4th year) and Roddy White (3rd year I believe?). T Ginn was traded in what I believe was his 4th year. He doesn’t have exceptional hands but he is hands down the fastest guy in the league next to Desean Jackson. And I believe he might give D Jackson a run for his money. Add that to the fact that he has a learning disability and was probably going to take a little while to develop anyway, and I think the Fins made a mistake by trading him away for pennies!
esentially
they traded him away for Rashad Jones….and I would take that swap in a heartbeat. Ginn caught an amazing 163 receiving yards in a mediocre SF WR group. That right there speaks enough volumes for me. We made the right decision.
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Ginn wasn't used much as a WR
and was put on kick duties from the start (post training camp injury).
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and why is that?
because he is a terrible WR. As a PR he is good…but that is all that he is good at. Saying that he would have developed into a better WR here in Miami is just heresy and an embellishment at best. If he was a decent WR then he could have cracked SF’s mediocre line…but he didnt. Probably because he took his butterfingeritis with him when he got on that plane.
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What you guys expect of Ginn, A Steve Smith clone
lol wow I mean the guy lead all receivers, even Bess in 08-09 season with 790 yards with short armed Pennington
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How about catching a pass?
You do realize that he led the league in a drop per catch ratio that year also, right?
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You do realize Ted Ginn was the starting receiver and faced the most elite #1 corners and safety’s defending him while mustering those 790 yards so of course he would have some drops. Pennington still threw his way, Henne avoided Ginn all game and then tried to throw to him at the end of the game cross the middle in traffic on 4 and 15’s. The guy has a small frame like Desean Jackson, did u see what Dunta Robinson did to him in the 2010 season coming cross the middle. Eddie Royal of the Broncos paired with Brandon Marshall and Cutler his rookie year took the deep routes and didnt play the middle of the field. Ginn wouldve did good streching the field to open up for Brandon Marshall, I never seen Ginn on an island by himself and drop a bomb like ala Braylon Edwards of the Jets
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I watch every single game thanks to Sunday Ticket
so I know what I am talking about. I watched him every single game that he was here in Miami for. If you never saw Ginn drop a bomb then you obviously never watched a game. AND those 790 yards came against the softest schedule Miami has had in the last 20 years thanks to that 1-15 record from the year before. So you excuse him dropping passes because a defender is trying to hit him? That is just stupid logic, and on that trane of thought every receiver in ever game should drop every pass….because you know what, every defender is trying to hit the the receiver every time. You reference Desean Jackson, who is built the same as Ginn…have you seen Desean play? He is fearless and goes after everything. I guess that would be why is a probowl player and Ginn is not.
Yes, I agree that Ginn could have stretched the field better than our current group, that is granted. I would think he could have been a great #4 WR on this team…but I think that nickle position ala Nolan Carroll was a bigger need and his salary was about 1/10 of Ginn’s.
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Well
I watch every single game thanks to Sunday Ticket
so I know what I am talking about. I watched him every single game that he was here in Miami for. If you never saw Ginn drop a bomb then you obviously never watched a game.
I’ve seen every single game he has played also, and I’ve never seen Ginn drop a bomb. Now just to make sure we are on the same page as to what a bomb is, I’m referring a ball that has traveled 40+ yards. I try to forget the 07’ season so maybe I missed something there, in 08’ we all know Pennington didn’t have the arm to do that, and in 09’ Henne was able to hit him in stride on 2 occasions.
AND those 790 yards came against the softest schedule Miami has had in the last 20 years thanks to that 1-15 record from the year before.
I agree Miami had a soft schedule in 08’, but this is the NFL we are talking about. At the end of the day these guys are professionals and they come to play. It’s not like corners were playing dead for Ted Ginn. So I think that’s irrational to discredit anyone’s play in the NFL just because of the schedule. I think Ginn has given fans enough ammunition to criticize him about, the least you could do is give him credit for that 08’ season.
And speaking of that 08’ season, I don’t think those 790 yards did him complete justice. If Pennington had a bigger arm he could have easily had 900 (If not 1,000) yards on the season. You may think I’m crazy, but here’s some examples of what I mean.
Week 8 vs. Bills: Ginn was running down the sideline wide open, but had to come back to an underthrown ball. He settled for a 46 yards completion, but if Pennington was able to hit him in stride that’s a 80+ yard completion
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d80bfb445/Ted-Ginn-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Bills-2008
Week 12 vs. Pats: Similar situation,but if he was able to throw it far enough to lead him and let him run under it, I’m pretty sure that had potential to go all the way.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d80cc0457/Ted-Ginn-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Patriots-2008
Week 17 vs. Jets: Ginn splits the corner and safety on the flea flicker and is wide open downfield, but he has to come back to the underthrown ball to make a play. He settles for a 44 yard completion, but that’s 6 if Pennington was able to hit him in stride.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d80db8c1a/Ted-Ginn-Highlight-WK-17-vs-Jets-2008
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Pennington couldnt play to Ginn’s strengths in the deep ball. Ginn did make some catches, as you highlighted…but it wasnt on a consistent basis. There was a few games where he went crazy, and then he would disapear for a few games. I wanted him to be great just as much as the next guy, but he just isnt a starting WR. My point with the soft schedule is they werent going up against the top ranked D’s in the league. Kinda the difference between the Bills D and the Ravens D. They are all professionals who come to play, but not all are created equal. Kinda like Jason Allen Vs Champ Bailey. The phins could have used Ginn’s speed this last season, no doubt…but at the same time I really like Carroll.
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Yup
consistency was why he couldn’t be relied on as a starter. But if he is your 3rd or 4th receiver then consistency wouldn’t be as much of an issue cause he’s not a major part of the offense. And the reward is high because though he is inconsistent at any random moment he could bust out a big play for the team. I agree about the whole soft schedule thing. And though we could have used his speed this year, trading him was the best option cause we all know he wasn’t going to be appreciated no matter what he did. I like Carroll too, but it would’ve also been nice if they spent a pick on a speed wr like Jacoby Ford in the later rounds.
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It's not worth it.
It’s very difficult to get a reasonable debate about Ginn. There is too much animosity toward him.
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agreed
I think he would’ve been ok as our 4th guy on the depth chart, a guy who can stretch the field, but I’m interested in getting a better version of him. There are guys who can get on top of defenders and don’t have fear issues.
Plus, no matter what, Ginn would never have had any support from the fans in Miami. He represented the 1-15 season. Every drop was greeted with Jets-level boos. Every catch greeted with an exasperated sigh that he ran out of bounds or didn’t truck a safety. The guy couldn’t do anything right here. Even his 2 KR TD’s vs the Jets in 08 led to plenty of “It’s about damn time” comments on here. No chance he ever had success here, no matter how well he developed.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree with your assessment.
He didn’t have much chance of turning the fanbase around without playing at a Jerry Rice level and that wasn’t going to happen.
I think another speedster is just what the doctor ordered.
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That's the truth
At the very least Ginn could’ve played over Moore/Wallace this year. It was clear that after Marshall, Bess, and Hartline there wasn’t shit left.
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by Deuce Black on Feb 8, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well said quite rite wreckage!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 8, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sad but true...
He represented the 1-15 season
This, to me, was the most infuriating thing about the whole Ted Ginn Saga. Every bad season needs a scapegoat I guess.
I mean how drops total does he have compared to Braylon Edwards and Terrell Owens who have got legitimate years in the NFL to mature?
Desean Jackson is not even considered the #1 in Philly despite being drafted a 1st rounder cause if he was their would be no need for drafting another receiver #1 like Jeremy Maclin. Stop with judging, look at Eddie Royal, is he still producing the same explosion as his rookie year when he had Brandon Marshall oppisite of him in Denver. He even had Brandon Lloyd the top receiver this year and wasnt screcthing the field for long TD’s, he only paved the way for Brandon Lloyd to get open. Im just saying Ginn would have done that, hopefully we get someone with his speed, decent hands, and can open up for our average speed receivers
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I meant how many drops total does Ted Ginn have in his career compared to Braylon Edwards and Terrell Owens?
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I am sure they are right around the same
but those other 2 guys are proven WR’s that rack up 1,000+ yard seasons….something Ginn has yet to accomplish. Granted Edwards has only done it once, but I never said I was a Braylon fan either. You know what, if Ginn had 15,934 yards and 153 TD’s to his credit I wouldnt have gave a crap about the drops…..but to compare Ginn to a future HOF’er is just ridiculous.
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ok
so take TO’s first three seasons and compare the two. Not even close still.
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Well stated Nicky
I personally wanted him to do well, I mean who really doesnt want to have a high draft pick pan out for their team? I personally just soured on him from all the little things that he did…I literally saw him lay down in front of a CB because he didnt want to get hit….it was that kind of stuff that did him in for me. Good point though, unless he was an elite WR he just wasnt going to get the support. Most of that is the fans fault, but some of that is still on him.
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Very wise words. People hated on him from the moment Goodell said Ted. He didn’t even get his whole name out before the negativity started.
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Yep....everyone was pissed because we passed on Quinn.
The whole city hated his guts…. and he knew that. What does that do to ones psyche?
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Well, if we used him
a the great KR / PR he is and as a 4th WR, that would have been perfect. His salary was 1.2 mill, which isn’t outrageously high by any stretch of the imagination for a key ST / role player
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Is he that terrible as a receiver that he put up
almost 800 yards in his 2nd year (with a good QB like Pennington)? As for SF Crabtree and Morgan are pretty good, but it was clear that they didnt have stability at the QB position. That entire offense struggled this year so that’s not saying much.
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True
Crabtree is overhyped, IMO. The jury is still out on Morgan… If those two are that decent then you would think that he would have made a great #3 on that team. But then again it is kind of hard to catch the ball when your QB’s are chumps.
I know your undying love for him Duece, but you have to admit that he is not a good WR. He is a very fast and good PR…but that is all you can give him credit for. He’s just not cut out to be a WR in this league.
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Crabtree
definitely has the talent, but I think all that hype has gone to his head. As for Ginn your right he’s not a pure wide receiver, but he can still stretch a defense and make an occasional big play. We all know he’s not a #1, but I think he can make a living as a 4th wr option/ returner.
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I will give Ginn that much
but not good on KR’s….PR’s yes, KR’s no.
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Not only did he lead the team in receiving that year,
but he also lead the team in yards from scrimmage thanks to some nice reverses.
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Essentially they traded him for
Nolan Carroll, but anyway hopefully it works out
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I knew it was one of the two
I really like Carroll, I think he and Jones will be great for this team in the future.
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Jones
looks like a flat out ballhawk, I hope he gets on the field more next year.
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That makes both of us.
I love Bell and his passion, but hopefully they can fuse Jones into the mix more this year.
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They better
cause Bell isn’t getting any younger
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The Dolphins had two fifth round picks.
They actually used the pick they got for Ginn on Nolan Carroll, and then traded back into the fifth round to pick up Reshad Jones.
they traded his contract away in hopes someone in training camp could step up
We should have kept Greg Camarillo who in my opinion I believed made Henne comfortable, the guy was Qb friendly, not the fastest but enticed Henne to let the ball go quicker, he did account for 500 yards from Henne the year Pennington went down. Hopefully Hartline becomes more QB friendly
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Davone Bess was Henne's safety net this year
The Dolphins kinda replaced Camarillo with Hartline. As much as I loved Camarillo, he had no upside and was basically a solid possession receiver. With him gone, Bess and Hartline had the chance to blossom. And we got a solid nickle cornerback in Benny Sapp.
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yepper
with you on that one. Not too mention that they rid themselves of Cammy’s contract.
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I have to disagree on Sapp,
he was pretty horrible this year, which is why they picked up another veteran in Al Harris halfway through the season.
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are you serious??
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard in my life. you DO realize you just compared ted ginn to roddy white and greg jennings….DO YOU? a superstar is defined as someone who is really good and known by all the fans, but you dont HAVE to be a superstar to be an actual great football player. and besides, any REAL football fan knew who greg jennings and roddy white were (minimum) TWO years ago, they were just as good then! just without the publicity!
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lol i kinda figured
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Are you implying that i'm not a real football fan?
When did I ever call Ted Ginn a superstar? Did you actually read my post or did you just see “Ted Ginn” next to those other names? What is the point of your post? You shouldn’t call someone’s comments dumb unless you’re actually going to make a point. And the only point I see from your post is that “real football fans knew who Jennings and White were two years ago”, which to me is just insulting.
im just implying that that whole thing was a dumb thing to say
you said most recievers dont develop into superstars until their later years (which is BS btw) and you compared ted ginn only being in his 4th year and how jennings and white are now only bein appreciated now that they’re in their 4th (ish) year (which is BS too!), so you basically said how its ok that he aint done squat until now, cause thats how jennings/white did it. or atleast, thats what i can assume you are saying.. oh and ginn isnt “hands down” the fastest guy in the league next to desean..ur wrong there too buddy. oh and i like how you tried to insult me, it was cute
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Why don't you read the other comments to mine.
You’re the only one coming on here and being a dick about it. And why don’t you do some research on Ginn. He was a national champion in track. He was recruited for the olympics. He’s the definition of a deep threat. I understand your hatred for him because most Dolfans feel the same way. But I was attending Ohio State University when he was playing, and saw first-hand his potential. So stop reading into my comment so much, and get over the past.
LOL i already knew that about ginn dude! i know he's fast WITHOUT pads on, but theres a difference between bein fast with pads on and fast without pads on
have you even played football before, or did you just not realize that?!? your right tho, i didnt read the other comments, but that still doesnt make what you said any less stupid. haha and what past am I supposed to be getting over exactly?? you just made urself look really dumb sayin that u went to OSU when ginn was there…your just blindly protecting “your boy”! lets face reality, ginn sucked for 4 WHOLE NFL years w/ 2 teams, but in your eyes he the s***, right?
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I'm not even an OSU fan.
I’m a Canes fan. Here’s the thing. Ginn possesses top end speed. He gets faster when other people slow down or top off. That’s why many people who have talked about Ginn mention an “extra gear”. Mike Wallace, Desean Jackson, Randy Moss and other “deep threats” possess this “gear”.
So you’re going to tell me that Ginn “sucked” for San Fransisco? Did you even watch one SF game? He was barely utilized him. They traded for him as a return man. And if you’re going to tell me that Ginn “sucked” during the 1-15 season, or any of the other debacles that the Dolphins are calling seasons the past few years, I have nothing else to say.
Yes, he drops passes. But you know who else drops passes? Brandon Marshall. He drops a bunch of them. Let’s call Ginn what he was:
A scapegoat. And you’re fueling the fire.
yes. yes i am saying that he sucked for san fran.
there’s a REASON why he was “barely utilized”, he’s garbage! clearly, he cant even be good during practice if he couldnt even get on the field. LOL so YOU are trying to tell me that because the teams he was on werent good that it was ok for him to suck?? cause thats what that sounded like… how about calvin johnson? how about Andre johnson? how bout Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitz? how bout Ochoconco? while granted none of them are like teddy and known as “burners”, they still have produced on s***** teams, and if ginn had REAL talent he would have produced like they all did
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um
there’s a REASON why he was "barely utilized", he’s garbage! clearly, he cant even be good during practice if he couldnt even get on the field. LOL so YOU are trying to tell me that because the teams he was on werent good that it was ok for him to suck??
It’s clear you have something against Ginn cause that wasn’t the point he was making. Yes San Fran sucked, especially their offense. That’s no excuse for Ginn but at the same time that’s not necessarily a great situation for him to succeed this year. Vernon Davis for example, had 13 TDs last year and this year he dropped to 7. Like many teams if SF can get consistent play from the QB position then that offense will have consistent success.
how about calvin johnson? how about Andre johnson? how bout Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitz? how bout Ochoconco? while granted none of them are like teddy and known as "burners", they still have produced on s***** teams, and if ginn had REAL talent he would have produced like they all did
Do you hear yourself speak? Those guys you listed are #1 receivers, which obviously Ginn is not.
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and what I am saying is that those players were in "crap" situations just like ginn!
name Q’s qb when he started getting good? how bout johnson (s)? how bout ocho? how bout Fitz? CLEARLY, you didnt realize what i was trying to say. oh and ginn was drafted at #9 overall (incase u didnt realize that..) and he was SUPPOSED to be a #1 reciever, cept he turned out to be garbage. how is ginn’s situation any different from theirs?? none of them had a good QB to start their careers, i mean gee, i wish i had david carr or kitna/hill/stafford as my QB..
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Oh my
and what I am saying is that those players were in “crap” situations just like ginn!
You wanna know what the difference is? Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz, Boldin, etc. are all #1 receivers. Ginn is like the 3rd/4th option in SF.
And being drafted #9 overall doesnt make you a #1 receiver. Hell, Cam Cameron said it himself that he drafted Ginn to be a returner. Ginn was never a polished receiver let alone a #1 receiver. Im a leave you with that. If you still can’t comprehend then I cant help you.
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oh and ill tell you now, aj green isnt a #1 reciever i can already tell...
NO your an idiot. you dont just “know” when you draft someone that they’re gonna be a #1 or not. sure its all nice to say they’re #1 recievers NOW, but did america really know that before they were drafted? no! that doesnt make any sense dude. the reason ginn is a #3/#4 is cause unlike the others you (/I) named, ginn’s garbage. how can YOU not understand that?
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Ginn was still pretty fuckin' fast with pads on.
What kind of crack goggles are you wearing when you watch the kid?
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he only looked fast on special teams
atleast, i saw ted ginn as a reciever and was like “damn, he’s fast”, except on that henne to ginn deep ball TD 2 years back ;) haha u know what im talking bout
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oops meant to say "atleast, i *never* saw ted ginn..."
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So let me get this straight
Ted Ginn only looks fast on special teams, except for that time he looked fast on offense when he caught that deep ball?
Oh ok that makes a lot of sense
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umm.....that would be correct sir
only time he ever productively showed his speed was that ONE offensive play. other than that, ginn could have ran a 5.9 40 yd dash and i would have never known, cause he never really showed his speed
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Oh I guess my eyes were fooling me
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d80c8e8e8/Ted-Ginn-Highlight-WK-11-vs-Raiders-2008
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d80d8b368/Ted-Ginn-Highlight-WK-16-vs-Chiefs-2008
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d80db8c1a/Ted-Ginn-Highlight-WK-17-vs-Jets-2008
He also didnt look fast when he caught that bomb against the Texans last year
http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d81550476/NFL-GameDay-Texans-vs-Dolphins-highlights
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LOL you just proved MY point!
the first two were runs! those dont count! ginn is a freakin reciever. i wanna see him CATCH a ball after burning a corner! you do realize that 3 seasons is 48 games, and you provided me with TWO catches by ginn??? thats because its impossible to find him doing something productive. oh and there aint nothing special about beating 2 defenders by a miniscule 2 feet on a trick play none the less (3rd video)…if he were actually good he would have been way farther down the field
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 9, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeaaaa....
just now realized i kinda combined two seperate arguements into that comment…umm now it makes a lot less sense second time ’round
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You took the word out my mouth Vincemoss86
What does this offense need so desperately? Speed at receiver we had that . Special teams we need a return guy we had that. All in one player that I think this organization gave up on to on soon. As stated in my fanpost “Grocery shopping” this regime seem to be getting rid of players that they didn’t draft , pick via trade or free agency.
I also think most of you guys never gave Ginn a chance,because you all wanted Quinn.Look how well hes playing. This regime would’ve ran him out faster than Ginn. He may have only been our 4th receiver,but he could be the deep threat we needed. And I know you all hate the Jest as much as I do. No need to rehash what he did to them. For that alone he deserved to be back.
by NawlinsPhinPhan on Feb 8, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Poor examples
I’ve been enamored with Jennings and White for a couple of years now — you could see that they were stars in the making a couple years back. Ginn? He’ll be a return specialist the rest of his career and will make a long TD catch once per season to keep teasing everyone. For every guy who turns into something in the NFL, there are 20+ guys who have ability who just never get there.
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by rintintinsoldier on Feb 9, 2011 6:54 AM EST up reply actions
We can get John Beck to throw to him......
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The Beckster is where he belongs
…buried on somebody’s fill-out-the-roster list.
While ‘Look, Ma. No Hands!’ Ginn and his entire family, I would imagine, sits as a 4th WR on a mediocre 49ers team. Two fantastic draft picks of the Camoron era.
Folks may argue that those two had all the potential in the world and did not get a fair shake. I just saw them as two terrible draft picks. Ginn especially, being picked 9th overall where you would expect a game changer and an immediate impact. Beck was just another David Klingler and Ginn was just another Ashley Lelie. This year I’m hoping they opt to leave the Jack Daniels at home and not in the War Room come draft day.
I like the idea of picking up Sims-Walker as a FA, as was previously mentioned.
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The other 77% are Jets fans.
Davone Bess is our most complete receiver
he offers everything you want in a slot receiver, everything. His lateral quickness is amazing, he is one of the best route runners ive ever seen, hes quicker than fast but has the ability to change speeds quickly which makes him very dangerous both returning kicks and catching the football, he is better after catch than Brandon Marshall is and his hands are more consistant.
Dont get me wrong, Brandon Marshall is a tremendous talent who completely changes the dynamic of the offense, he brings a lot more to the table than he has shortcomings, but that is also why he is paid 9.4 mil a year. As much as i like what Marshall has done for us i dont feel as though he is an elite receiver. Is he really good? Yes. Great? Borderline, but he isnt on Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnsons level, he just isnt as good as they are.
You pegged Roberto Wallace pretty well i think. He is faster than you give him credit fo though. Roberto Wallace moves like Marshall, deceptively fast beacuse of their long legs, big stride and sound fundamentals. He isnt a very good route runner, looping routes and soft breaks, his awareness isnt very good, most notably not recognizing where first down markers are, and his hands are inconsistant. Alot to like though.
Marshall
Not taking anything away from both of the Johnsons, because they are amazing. But Brandon Marshall in my opinion is right up there with them. He is a bit of a different breed, more of a possession type, but he is a monster. If he had a QB that would give him the ball, I feel like your opinion would change, so hopefully next season Daboll will beat it into Henne or whoever we have, that if you give Marshall a chance at a ball, there are not many DBs that can contest him. GO MARSHALL!!!
and in case you have never seen this….
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Nice!
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I also noticed how much time the QB had to deliver, after the snap!
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Marshall is better than both
Dont get me wrong but he wasnt drafted in the 1st round like Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson. The guy was a 4th or 5th round pick who has become elite enuff to actually earn a 1st round looking contract bigger than Andre and Calvins lol. I love Marshall’s aggressiveness, he makes you happy that he wont just sit around and let Corners like Revis and Cromartie jam him in like some pushover
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He has the capability to knock corners to the ground during a jam.
The man is a beast!
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Also
Nnamdi Asomugha, Antonop Cromartie back when they both played in the Afc West said that the hardest WR they had to tackle in their careers was BRANDON MARSHALL. Those are two good corners that said that. I believe Marshall is up there with the Johnsons. The thing with the Johnsons is they have QBs that can trust them. Like Marshall said, they “live or die by it”. Thats what miami needs, a qb who can do that for marshall.
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#4 seamed to do a real good job with that layup type pass!
My god can we get henne to try a layup pass in the off-season hint hint (get #4 on the roster)!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 8, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Since when is Calvin Johnson Elite?
Yes, he is talented (and hyped) but Marshall is better than Johnson. Check the past four years for both players. Marshall has four 1000 yard receiving season and never had less than 86 catches. Johnson has never had more than 78 catches and he has two 1000 yard receiving season. He has more tds than Marshall (five more during the past four years) but Marshall number sare similar to Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. So, I would definitely put Marshall in the Elite category over Calvin Johnson.
I like Bess to but Marshall has one on Bess and that leaping ability. A Qb can’t throw jumpball to Bess and hope that he comes down with it. When cover Marshall can still come down with the ball.
by Renaldo Pierre Brown on Feb 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
You must be joking
Did you really say C.Johnson is not elite? Let me leave this one alone smh…
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lmao that’s what i said
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I don't think anyone is going to take that comment seriously lol
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LMAO
Put Calvin on any other team and see what happens.
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Calvin Johnson is just on a crappy team...
He’s a phenom. He’s way faster than Brandon Marshall and he doens’t have dropped pass issues or character issues. I’d trade him straight up for Marshall and throw in Hartline. Oh and he’s younger. And taller.
Put Calvin or Brandon with Tom or Peyton, even Brett they both will be elite
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You put the ball in the right place for Marshall to make YAC,
and he will outperform Bess any day. Henne just sucks at ball placement.
And to claim that Bess is great for returning kicks is quite a stretch. He has been sub-par at best every time he gets back there. He simply isn’t fast enough.
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The problem with Hartline really comes down to Marshall
As a number 2 WR you are a compliment to the #1. The problem with Hartline is he doesn’t make up for Brandons shortcomings. It’s like the Ravens having Boldin TJ an Mason, 3 good WRs but all the same type so while there all good they can’t mix it up and get big plays in the passing game. If Marshall was a blazer Hartline would compliment him perfectly.
We need speed at the 2 because we can’t afford to go to a 4 WR set to get him in he game because subing out your 2 to put in speed for certain play is telegraphing what your going to do. If even our slot guy was fast we would be ok but he reality is we have 3 possession guys.
Fire Dan Henning!
Draft Wisienski, Pouncey and DJ Williams.
by okokokaay on Feb 8, 2011 10:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
These are good points.
And I’m a fan of Hartline. Still, Hartline plays a lot faster than his 40 time showed and he was able to open up the field a bit. Just look at the offensive struggles once he went down with injury for proof.
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Personally I'd rather get a speedster in the draft and trade Bess for a 2012 2nd round pick.
or whatever is highest. Since it is a future pick, a team will bite and overpay. The Hartline could be our #2 in regular formations and move into the slot in 3 wide formations. Kinda like Welker, but not as shifty and more of a big play threat. There are quite a few CBs in the league that don’t handle the slot well and if your #2 CB can’t you have to put your nickel guy on Hartline and that is a mismatch.
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it sucks
hartline, is on the outside looking in if we get a speedy 2
Hartline would be our 4th guy
he would play quite a bit with the way teams rotate WR’s in certain packages.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
also he would be in the red zone packages.
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by 54 on Feb 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Hartline would still be valuable
He could line up in every WR position as a sub and be a nice insurance policy in case of imjury
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by Souwantmyname on Feb 8, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
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definitely
We all saw just how valuable WR depth is to a team this last year. nuff said.
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Brian Hartline
One of the reasons Hartline gets so much crap is comments like yours in this column. You wish he had more speed? Hartline was a track star in college and a hurdler. He is the fastest man on the Dolphins roster and is always the one they send out long. He ran a self timed 4.1 and a 4.35 at the combine. All of the Dolphins realize he has blazing speed but somehow sports reporters and fans don’t get the info.
I didn't even realize he ran a 4.35.
I knew he played faster than everybody intimated as evidenced by the far more pronounced lack of Miami offense when he went down.
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4.35??
try a 4.52 or get me your source/whatever ur smoking lol
Driving the draft Ryan Williams bandwagon
That makes more sense.
But like I said he does play faster than his 40 time/people on here suggest.
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Yeah, I especially like the "what's smokin" part........
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where did you get this info?
A 4.1 forty? That would make him the fastest NFL player from like the last 20 years…faster than guys like Deon Sanders….. Tell me that you think he was faster than Neon Deon and I will laugh you all the way out of this forum.
I can self time myself too and I would have a 3.1 forty, heck even a 2.1. It doesnt matter what you manage when you are by yourself, it matters what you manage in front of everyone else. I watched every single game this year, and I can tell you with complete confidence that Hartline is not the fastest player on Miami’s roster, not even close. The reason they sent Hartline on the fly patterns was to draw the safety away from BM so he had one on one coverage with a corner and it opens up the middle for Bess to do his thing. I can count on both hands how many times I actually saw Hartline get wide open to where he burned the DB’s on that route during the season.
Dont get me wrong, I am a fan of Hartline, but your claims are just unfounded and ridiculous.
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and when he DID get deep, past the DB
the DB ended up catching him anyways
Deion actually ran a 4.1
and in track Ginn ran a 4.06
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but football isnt track
and it is a whole other world when running in pads.
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I'm just talking speed. Not football ability\
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Brian Hartline- youre incorrect about his 40 time
He ran an official 4.52 40 time. Heres the source http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2009/02/brian-hartline-takes-on-the-nfl-combine/
But read the interesting facts about Hartline concerning his combine before being drafted by the Dolphins, the guy has the ability to zip cross the field in my opinion, our Dolphins coaches dont use him correctly at times but more 4WR sets will open him up, heres what the site said,
“The ever-popular 40-yard dash time was clocked at 4.52. Three one-hundredths of a second behind Brian Robiskie. In line with Malcolm Jenkins. But his finish in the other drills may surprise you even more.
Hartline finished tops among all wide receivers with a 10.92 in the 60-yard shuttle. In the three cone drill, he finished second among his position with a time of 6.65, while taking home fourth place in the 20-yard shuttle (4.12). Robiskie was fifth and eighth respectively, while not having an official time in the 60-yard shuttle. For comparison purposes, Georgia’s Knowshon Moreno clocked in at 11.63.
Hartline ran faster in the 60 yard shuttle than Moreno, so it shows he has that Wes Welker type of endurance after the catch
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I would like to know Hartline's 55 m dash from track.
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He was a track guy, though
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self-timed 4.1???
hahahahah
Throw 40 times out the window, and watch him play. There are VERY few corners that he can run by. He’s not fast, regardless of what his “self-timed” 40 was.
He’s also not the fastest guy on the roster. Not by a long shot. Yes, he is the guy they send long, but, as many many fans have pointed out, it doesn’t work.
You are the ONLY person who thinks he has blazing speed. Is he slow? No. Is he a burner? Not even close.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what that means lol
Carroll, Clemons, Davis, and I believe Moore and Wallace just off the top my head.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Loosely translated it means
“right?” :P I do remember Clemons being a speedster, but I think Carroll is in 4.3 territory.
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oh hahaha
then yes, I think Carroll is the fastest Dolphin
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Clemons is the fastest.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
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by 54 on Feb 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
was 4.3 at the combine. But i think he’s 4.2. He use to keep up with Ginn
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by 54 on Feb 8, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
ahh thanks. My eye for speed if brilliant lol. Nice to see our D has some speed.
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by 54 on Feb 8, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
the thing is
we have great speed on defense, but alrite speed on offense. once the speed of the offense goes up, good things will come for the offense. it is just all about whoever the qb is
by Dolphinsfan23 on Feb 8, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
so clearly Harline is the fastest player on the team
oh, wait, is a 4.52 faster or slower than a 4.28 and 4.32…i forget how numbers work exactly.
; )
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 9, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
you pretty much sumed it up righ there
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Lmao
that was funny.
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he never ran a self timed
4.1 hahahhaa
but he isn’t a bad WR by any means
Dan Henning is the sole reason the dolphins aren't a Superbowl Caliber team.
GET PETE CARMICHAEL JR. FOR HC RIGHT NOW!
track speed and football speed are two different things
and like somebody pointed out, Hartline ran a 4.5+ at the combine. get your facts right before deciding who “don’t get the info.”
Yes....track speed is relevant when running down the sideline
but ‘track speed’ IS also very relevent when one can master the route! Combine the two…and Moss comes to mind.
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if curling up in the fetal position is a skillset
then yes, SF loved him…seeing as how that team did the exact same thing. Though those 163 receiving yards was monstrous! He did ok on punt returns, but stunk as their KR.
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He did quite well as their kick returner.
All the kid needs is something less than inept blocking and he’s gone.
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not sure what your definition of quite well is
but he averaged 21 yards per attempt. Blocking or no blocking, 21 yards is not good. He isnt good at kick returns because he is scared of full contact. I think that is why he is so much better at punt returns, because usually the contact isnt as severe and you usually just get shoved out of bounds.
Let me put it into perspective, Nolan Carroll is a decent KR and averaged 24 yards per attempt….3 yards better than Ginn. Note that I called Carroll decent and not good/great. Keep in mind this was with Miami’s special teams group blocking for him, who I could argue was one of the worst in the league last year.
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Where do you get your stats?
I’ve been trying to find individual return stats.
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This place works
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Well, pull my pants down and call me tuna bait...
… wait, what?
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Are you looking for Parcells??
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Well
he did return a kick against the Chargers this year but it was called back cause of holding, so I guess you could blame that on blocking. Not to mention SF special teams have been horrible for a whi;le now which is why they traded for Ginn.
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but you could also argue
that he broke it because of the hold. I know, I know, a catch 22 situation. I am just saying that Miami’s blocking is = to SF at best. Carroll just outperformed him on KR’s is really my point.
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that's fair
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Dont worry
this draft is filled with speed, guys like Titus Young, Jernigan from troy, and jeremy kerley. We can find a speedster for special teams easily, we just gotta hope if Sparano and Co. seeks out speed this draft
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2 words...
New QB. That will improve the receiving corps
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Wait, the opposite... having receivers catch with their feet would do it too.....
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Stop the QB talk, Im happy with Henne right now give him another shot
Dont you understand his playbook was Chad Pennington based and all the checkdown passing is from Pennington who we all think is a good mentor for our young QB. How come when Penny talks about Henne he never say he should just throw it up, Chad Penny is turning Henne into his clone, short pass galore machine. Daboll will turn Henne into what Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn failed to be, GOOD. He has to cuz he only has one year to do so in Stephen Ross eyes
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I severely disagree with you on Henne.
He is scared out there. I’m sure that has a lot to do with Henning, but his confidence is shattered. Just look at his horrendous 4th quarter performances, he just can’t handle the nerves. It’s the same reason we got rid of Beck and I don’t see why we shouldn’t follow suit with Henne.
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lol ur funny beck couldnt even win 3games and he fumbled like every snap
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Well yes,
But like Henne, he telegraphed his receivers worse than Western Union, had poor leadership skills, and accuracy issues… Ah but what a strong arm. Sound familiar?
The team Beck is with now clames to have fixed all those problems and will be rolling him out pretty soon… I can’t wait to see that, and take my hat off if its true. And if its true, there might be hope for Henne, but I"m not holding my breath and hoping the draft or free agency is good to us this year.
Beck and strong arm in the same sentence?
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Beck and strong arm in the same sentence?
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this comment is all bullshit
no substance.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 8, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm for drafting a new QB also.
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meant to amplify...
I’m for drafting a new QB also. Preferably Kaepernick or Ponder. We’ll definitely have Henne this season and we’ll see how Dorrell and QBoll de-Henning-ize him. Another year with Henne showing no improvement would tell us that it’s not the system, it’s the QB. I’m hoping if Henne gets the tools i.e. OL help and a fast complimentary #2 WR to BM, he’ll recover his confidence.
Now, in keeping with the thread, I’m all for drafting a speed WR…IF we cant get MSW in FA.
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I'll post this again on Henne
There is no question about Henne’s arm! But really…how the F is he suppose to develop when his protection sucked? IMO he didn’t get the "consistent" time needed after the snap to scan the field. When he DID have it, he looked great!
When a newbie QB is constantly hurried, he is going to feel he has to "lock on" to a receiver, because he has to or be sacked!
I’m still a believer in Henne.
Bottom line…we need a line. Get Mankins for L guard, draft O’Dowd for Center!
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I like Hartline...
But, I wonder if we might consider trading UP in the draft and taking someone like AJ Green? Just food for thought. The crux of the success for the WR corps this year will be an improvement at the QB position…whether Henne steps it up a few notches, or we manage to draft/sign a winner.
With so many Offensive holes to fill though, it’s a tough call on which way to go with the first pick.
AJ Green NO
Julio Jones is better than him, he played on a run first team and still put up decent stats, the guy is big, tall, and fast. He’s like a Roddy White. And besides, we should trade down in the first, seal up the O-line or go RB with Mark Ingram and get someone’s high 2nd rounder and pick up Leonard Hankerson, he would be a great #2 for opposing defenses, he can strech the field and is great going cross the middle. Then with the 3rd and 4th, get a versatile speed receiver, a TE or HB
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Id prefer Green
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Dandruff?
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the offensive woes
are the result of one thing, a poor offensive line period. if we had a better offensive line, we could have ran the ball better.would have given henne more time in the pocket, and would not have to pass as much.,and when opposing defenses stacked the box, it would have opened up more for our recievers, it s that easy. fix our o-line and alot of our other issues will fix themselves although , i would also like to include that we dropped an awful lot of passes,even d-bess had more dropped passes than in the past, and i think he is the best “clutch” possesion reciever we’ve had since wes welker
definitely
draft another monster O-lineman 1st, rather than gamble on a QB or RB that may or may not be a starter. a good o-line solves a lot of problems.
Hartline
Statistically speaking at least, Hartline’s first two years in the league are comparable to guys like Roddy White, Greg Jennings, and Reggie Wayne. Gigantic disclaimer: I am not saying that he is as good as any of these players today or that he will reach their level.
However, its important to keep in mind that wide receiver is a position of development. Very rarely do players come in and have monster success right away. As for Hartline’s development, I honestly can’t comprehend why anyone would have any complaints. What he’s done as a receiver taken with the 108th overall pick is, frankly, pretty outstanding.
That said, you could blame the front office for thrusting him into the #2 role. You could argue that he’s not an ideal #2 receiver. The counter-argument, of course, would be “yet”. He’s on track to be a very good #2 receiver, if not a fantastic one (or a #1).
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Imo,the biggest thing that killed us this year
Was the injury bug. First thing first,Hennes production went down when he rushed back into the lineup. I think Bess was our only WR to play almost every if not all games this season. And don’t even get me started on how many Offensive linemen were either playing hurt,or on injured reserve.
Over 80% of our offense had to spend time off the field at some point due to injuries. And the “mysterious ilness’s” that played part in two members of our team being lost for time,was probably due to being asked to put on or shed weight.
Here is what we need to focus on,because,bottom line,if you can’t stay healthy,you can’t be depended upon.
Can anyone say for sure that Hennes call for max protect so often wasn’t because the knee was his primary concern? I think not,and id like to see him get his shot while healthy.
As for the recievers,Bess,Hartline,and Marshall are all locks,Fasano as well. He’s not a reciever,but being he’s the only tight end worth talking about,the tight end position should be included here.
For real in the third round there is a guard by the name of Ijalana,small school,but at 320 pounds,he is the ideal fit in both size and tenacity.
The lineup would look like this
Long,Ijalana,Incognito,Jerry,Carey
With that,and our players coming back,or finding a center in free agency,it frees up our first rounder. And there are a few runningbacks able to be found later that aren’t getting national attn because of the smaller schools they played for,as well as a couple recievers you haven’t heard of.
P.S. I’m all for getting Mike Sims Walker to compliment our posession recievers
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Dont forget Garner. He was slated to start at RG before his injury and he showed alot to like in 2009. But i agree about getting value in the later rounds that no one talks about it seems like this off-season. I agree also that we must free up our first round pick for a QB to bring in to compete or a WR. i disagree 100% with drafting a first round RB. that isn’t necessary anymore in this day and age. Just as you said about that O-Lineman, there is a lot of unknown talent this year. In fact, take a look at this video here: his name is Isaac Odim and he graduates from the University of MN- Duluth this year. I know this because i go to school here as well. He is a STUD of a back…he’s big but also has good speed. UMD won the DII National Championship this year, unfortunately he didnt play due to injury. but here’s a look at his monstrous 2009 campaign…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_rysh7hBBQ Let me know what you think.
by Fintastic4andMore on Feb 8, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Great Post Matty and Excellent Statement on our need for speed at wide out.
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Braylon Edwards FA NY Jets
Braylon Edwards would be the guy that would open up our offense. He no longer drops balls and he has the speed that we desire. Plus we would take him away from our arch rivals the Jets. Most importantly, Chad Henne threw to him when they were at Michigan. Therefore, it would not take long for him to rekindle the chemistry that they had at Michigan. Imagine when we had Pennington and he was throwing to Moss. This would make our WR corps one of the best in the NFL.
i wouldnt say NO LONGER drops them..lol
but yea id agree that that’d be a good idea. its just one of those character things again..u know, him a Marshall on the WR corps.. oh and werent henne and edwards only together for one year? or am i crazy?
Looks like it's time for a little "Chazzle Dazzle"
I hate the Patriots, i hate the steelers, and i hate the jets..but most of all, i hate the jets
If TO and Ocho can co-exist...
Marshall and Edwards probably could as well. I just dont like Edwards’ track record on inconsistency. Much rather see MSW in Dolphin colors.
If we dont take a QB in the first round, I like J. Jones at 15.
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Titus Young will be sorely missed
Here at Boise State.. but I’d be the first to buy his new Jersey if he became a phin. To hear that there is even a chance that the fo is looking at him is a dream come true. He will be good wherever he ends up, but I’d love to see him in Miami.
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