State of the Miami Dolphins Roster: Quarterbacks
by Matty I on Feb 3, 2011 5:00 AM EST
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PrintThis post is the first post in a series that will break down and evaluate the Miami Dolphins position by position. If you haven't read up on how players are being classified (the number and letter that follow each player's name), you can read this post explaining the evaluation system.
Where else would we start than with the position that has been plaguing this franchise since number 13 retired over a decade ago? Since then, 15 different quarterbacks have started a game for the Dolphins. And with the way things are looking, the quarterback search will continue for at least another offseason.
The Dolphins currently have four quarterbacks on their roster...for now.
So let's get to the grading.
Chad Henne (2-B). I'll admit I'm being optimistic here by putting Henne in the second tier rather than the third tier. But Henne has shown enough - more so in 2009 than in 2010 - to make me think there's still hope for him. There's no doubt Henne regressed last year. But before completely writing him off, I'm willing to give him a season under Brian Daboll in a (hopefully) new offense. But make no mistake - competition will be brought in and this is Henne absolute final chance in Miami.
Chad Pennington (2-B). No, we have no idea if Pennington will even be able to return following his third (or is it his fourth) shoulder surgery. But when you consider what he's accomplished in his career, he's clearly worthy of being placed in this second tier - though his prime is squarely behind him. In my perfect world, Pennington does retire and joins this organization's coaching staff. That's up to CP, though. And I'm not qualified to tell an athlete if/when he should retire.
Tyler Thigpen (3-E). Though many will want to put him in the 3-D category, Thigpen will be 27 in April and his time to "develop" is quickly running out. He possesses some unique qualities that make it easy to be overly optimistic about him and defend him by saying he's never been given a fair shot. But the bottom line here is that he's got some glaring weaknesses (accuracy and decision making come to mind) and he's probably just not a fit for this regime.
Tom Brandstater (4-F). Though the young quarterback signed a future contract in early January, it's unlikely he's anything more than camp fodder at this point. He had some serious potential coming out of Fresno as a 6th round pick in 2009. But he was always considered a project and the Dolphins are now the third organization he's been with in two years. He could develop into a long-term back-up, but likely nothing more.
Contract situations: Henne has one year left on his rookie deal worth just over half a million. This is his "crap or get off the pot" season. Pennington and Thigpen are both free agents. Thigpen will probably seek a team where he feels like he has a real chance at a starting job. Pennington is an unknown at this point until we know how his shoulder is coming along.
Outlook: The Dolphins are going to address this position. The only questions, really, are how they will do it and how many new quarterbacks they will bring in. Will it be a draft pick? Will it be a veteran via a trade or through free agency? Or will it be both a vet and a rookie?
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I agree with everything here except Henne
There’s no way he’s not 3-D… Solid starter in whose eyes? He’s there because there’s nobody else. Unlike Henne Vontae got credited for being one of the best young corners, even Brett Favre gave him props when due. Vontae does have trouble against the better receivers but he’s getting BETTER. How do you regress in the NFL!? This is it and you decide to get worse Mr. Henne? He shows no potential, nobody gives Henne any acknowledgement unless it’s a Dolphin fan, Obviously…
by Goon305Boy10 on Feb 3, 2011 5:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well his numbers actually did put him in the middle of the pack for the most part.
The only thing we couldn’t seem to do was get in the endzone, which some of that has to be blamed on the OC. If you take in to consideration that opposing CBs were calling out the routes the WRs were running it makes sense that as the field got shorter we became less and less effective.
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by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 3, 2011 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
I meant to put 3-E btw my bad
by Goon305Boy10 on Feb 3, 2011 6:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like I said,
Henne’s a borderline 2-B. But I admit I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt only because he looked like he could really be good in 2009 when he was forced into the starter’s role.
I don't agree
I never saw what people were so excited about in 2009. He looked like an average qb at best that year, which showed a couple flashes,but mostly displayed questionable decision making, a tedency to lock onto recievers while at the same time miss seeing open people. He had poor touch and was inaccurate passer, he threw more Ints then Tds was not very good in the redzone. What happened last year was the season long decline of the oline and the weak running game exposed Henne as an average to below average QB that his play from the previous season had already indicated he was. I think we can do better than him in FA or draft.
He was averaging around 300 yards a game the last 5 games i'm pretty sure
That’s what we were excited about.
Also the fact that he beat the patriots throwing over 50+ times something that only dan marino has done.
In fact this year he actually has slightly improved at least statistically.
(except Int’s)
with a worse o-line and run game.
Joe flacco and matt ryan wouldn’t be nearly as effective if they didn’t have 2 of the best run games in the league, and incredibly solid Offensive linemen.
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The fact that he regressed so much is telling about this coaching staff
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can happen at any time. Henne regressed because he was constantly being told to play it safe. “Don’t lose the game for us” and not “go win the game for us” are two very different philosophies. i think we still don’t know what Chad is really capable of. if the new OC and QB coach can give him some confidence and let him take some chances instead of turning him into a progression robot, we might see a solid to very good QB. we could also see a POS, but that is why this is last chance here.
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Not familiar with the term "Sophomore Slump?"
It’s actually quite common in the NFL. Otherwise you’d never hear about how a QB had a decent first year and then regressed in the following year. Think Matt Ryan in 2009.
I like the new rating system....
I agree with your analysis, for the most part. It seems most likely that only one or two (max) of these guys will actually make it to camp…will be interesting to repeat this exercise just before the season starts to see how things worked out. The thing about Henne is that while he had middle-of-the-pack numbers…it’s his misses that he’s most remembered and chastised for…and IMO rightly so.
I vehemently disagree with Thigpen's rating.
And I’ll leave it at that.
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Chad Henne 2010 Stats:
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
301 490 3301 61.4 6.74 57 15 19 30 75.4
Tyler Thigpen’s CAREER Stats:
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
269 496 3167 54.2 6.39 75 21 17 35 73.7
Tell me how Thigpen’s career 1-11 record makes me feel better about the QB position than Chad Henne does.
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by Kevin Nogle on Feb 3, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
ITs not really a fair comparison as TT has not had a real shot with the Dolphins. But outside the Bears game the Offense generally looks better when TT is playing. So I think that is what people notice. Same playbook, same personnel, but the offense seems more effective.
by LordBishop34 on Feb 3, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
nope.
That is just wrong.
1 game against the patriots does not mean the offense looked better with Thigpen.
And just because Brandon Marshall complimented Thigpen does not make him a better Qb.
And Chad Henne would have scored some points against the Bears.
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"And Chad Henne would have scored some points agains The Bears"
LMAO, that is absurd speculation in the highest regard. Henne failed to score points against worse defenses this year, what makes you think he’d have scored against The Bears without Brandon Marshall or his starting LG/C?
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Failed to score points
he wasn’t shut out the entire year.
he played without marshall in oakland and did pretty well
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Henne was indeed shut out.
The Running game scored in some situations. Are you attributing those scores to Henne? Thigpen had no running game help (what was it like 5 attempts in the game?), so I don’t see how that’s fair.
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You are saying that because a qb doesn’t score a td he didn’t score points?
Sure in a few games Henne didn’t throw a td, but he certainly lead the team down the field to score field goals or run in for a td. We all know that once we were in the red zone Henning would usually lay a duck not allowing us to score td’s (obviously it’s also partly henne’s fault as well as our running games fault) but at least henne lead us to points. Thigpen got shut out against the burrs
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Your only argument is The Bears game.
It’s pathetic. Read my post below about Thigpen’s 10 game stretch in 2008 where he completely annihilated Henne’s numbers.
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10 game stretch in 2008
completely different team in 2010
you can’t really compare it
yeah Donovan mcnabb used to post great numbers do I want him now? no.
Thigpen was a product of a system in kansas and had a reliable run game.
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Qb's get hot
you can’t say a 10 game stretch makes a qb better than another qb that is just ridiculous.
Over a 4 game stretch Chad Henne threw less than Peyton Manning so obviously Chad Henne takes care of the football better.
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you can't read that sorry
in the sarcasm box
Over a 4 game stretch Chad Henne threw for less Int’s than Peyton manning thus Chad Henne is better handling the football.
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Weren't we in field goal range against the chicago game
until thigpen fumbled the ball?
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You can't blame Thigpen for fumbling a handoff from an impromptu center. Get real.
And if we had gone for a field goal down 16 points, I’d have been pissed either way.
And didn’t Henne fumble 5 times this season, with the STARTING Center.
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He played on the 2008 Kansas City Chiefs.
I forgot the part where they were a stellar team brimming with talent. He had zero offensive line, much like in the 2010 Bears game, but unlike 2010 it was a persistent problem in 2008.
Even with that lack of O-line, he threw far more TDs (18) to INTs (12). Now, that career rating is quite misleading, given that he was brought in halfway through games a few times and didn’t have a lot of time to prepare. If you want to actually be fair about it, why don’t we look at the 10 games that he actually started in a row? In that stretch, Thigpen amassed an 84.14 average QB rating, including 14 TDs and only 8 INTs. That’s pretty phenomenal for a first year starter, wouldn’t you say?
Now, let’s compare that rating to the great Matt Ryan who, in his best 10 game stretch, threw 11 TDs to 8 INTs in 2008. That’s with one of the best running games in the NFL. Matt Ryan’s rookie rating was 87, only 3 greater than Thigpen when he actually got to start multiple games in a row.
The point is, Thigpen has not had a real chance to start for Miami, and has shown in the past with stability that he is a reliable passer. He posted better stats than Henne in pretty much every category in that 10 game stretch, yet people hate him just to hate. Get a clue Dolphans, Thigpen will just be the next big name that we let go.
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Ever since we got him from KC i thought he could be good. I love how ppl think TT is bad for just 1 game versus the bears but ppl still think Henne is great with like 25 plus starts.. I am no where of saying TT is great or will be. I just much would rather c TT play then Henne. I hope they keep him but he prob will leave. Now im not saying he will be great, but “what if” he goes to a team and does really well for himself.. “What If”
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Henne 2B is a hope and a prayer. But we are also different…you are an optimist and I am a realist. Heaven help us next season.
Everybody considers themself a realist ;)
Whether pessimist or optimist, it’s all relative.
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1st rounder
I don’t think we’ve spent a 1st rounder on a qb since marino. We need to either go for it or stick with henne. Henne is as good or better than any free agent. If we really want to build for the future then keep henne, draft a number 1 qb and go from there. Perdonally, I want FA mankins and assomouga, and draft a center (pouncey) and a run blocker. That with resigning ronnie and we’ll be good to go.
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You Here that Rumbling in the distance???
That’s the Cam Newton Bandwagon rolling… Get on NOW!
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Then who is? You offer criticism without stating your solution....
Locker? Gabbert? Kaepernick? Mallett? Stanzi? Ponder? None of these guys are your next Marino, Elway or Montana..
Newton however, could… be the next Vick (minus the pooch issues of course..)
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First it's not criticism, it's opinion
Second, when you look at all the first round QB’s in this draft, there is no such homerun, so no matter what, the QB will have to be developed. No sense in drafting Cam Newton in the first when he’s not a first round QB.
I will give you that no doubt, Cam Newton is a tremedous athlete. However, remember that because of the offense run my Malzahn at Auburn, Newton often only had to throw to his first read where it is the receiver’s double moves that are getting him open, not the thrown Newton makes. He hasn’t been put in that situation yet, and there is no answer to how he would respond. Once again, project. Also, because the defenses he faced often tried to load up to stop Newton from running (not successfully) he didn’t have any elaborate coverage schemes to face. Often times, if you’ve watched him play, you’ll notice that he went to his first read. If it wasn’t there, he tucked the ball and ran. This will not work in the NFL.
You can argue that he’s the next Vick, but he doesn’t have the speed of Michael Vick, although he is bigger. Vick is often times able to evade defenders due to his significant speed. However, when he does get hit, he often gets hurt. Do you want a QB in the NFL running the ball? No, his job is to throw the ball. At this point, Miami isn’t really in rebuiding mode, they need a few key players at certain positions to be a contender. Rookie QB’s are not the answer for this team. They will be better off picking up a veteran to compete with Henne and draft a Kaepernick, Stanzi, or Ponder in the 3rd round or later and working with that QB while they compete with a veteran QB.
I sure as hell want a running QB.
With the emergence of Michael Vick as a possible MVP candidate, the game is going to change. A dual threat QB who is also a very accurate pocket passer is clearly better than a standard pocket passer.
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How many QB's have the ability of Michael Vick?
There’s a difference in having a mobile QB vs having a running QB. Vick is a once in a lifetime type of QB with the speed, ellusiveness and rocket arm. Also, Vick didn’t get his team to the Super Bowl this year, the two types of QB’s are pocket passers with some mobility as they have been almost every single year.
Vick got his team extremely far with a lack of O-Line,
in his first debut as a good pocket passer. The Eagles will once again be perennial contenders. And, you may think athletes like Vick are once in a lifetime, but I’d beg to differ. There is a stigma in the NFL against running QBs being able to have success, but now that Vick is proving that stereotype wrong, I bet we will see more running QBs get developed over the next decade.
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Well, Newton has just as much
chance to be our “next Marino”, as you put it, as any of the others. He also has just as much chance to be a failure as any of the others. I don’t think Newton will be the answer because he will need too much work to be NFL ready.
Everyone wants to use the Vick comparison because he is a QB that runs the ball well and that is true, Vick did run the ball well. But Vick did not become anything more than an average QB until he worked on staying in the pocket and becoming more of a passing QB who runs with the football as a last resort instead of the main play. Vick did awesome this year because he played more like a passing pocket QB instead of a running QB like he used to.
Now, my solution would be Gabbert. He has the physical tools that we are looking for, and his biggest flaws can be coached. Plus, after watching him this past year, he just seems to have the “it” factor, which I don’t see in Newton.
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I disagree with Henne and Pennington
Henne should not be placed in the 2nd tier until he deserves it. He has done nothing to warrant this. He should be in the third tier. Pennington once was a 2nd tier player. He is no longer. Let’s be realistic when we do these rankings. If you are going to end up placing players like Vontae Davis and Kendall Langford in the 2nd tier, guys like Henne don’t deserve to be there. I like this concept but we really need to do this as accurate as possible.
The second tier breaks down into two distinct groups. But the common denominator between 2-B and 2-C is that these are players most would consider solid starters. Are they great? No. But they aren’t below average, either. These are players that this team can win with – though there are better players out there in the league. Some of these guys are borderline very good. Some are only above average.
So you are saying that there is no way we can win with Chad Henne? With the line “Are the great? No.” aren’t we establishing that you don’t have to be great to be in the 2nd tier?
Look, I’m down on Henne as much as everyone else, but he is not a Jared Odrick (all potential, but shown nothing) nor is he a Joe Berger, who is just “servicable” – which is the definition of 3rd tier. I agree with Matty here, Henne is a 2nd tier guy. Capable of moving up, but just as capable as moving down.
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I agree with Mosul & Matty.. BUT...
Henne’s about the same right now as (I shudder..) Sanchez.. Unfortunately the ‘Jests’ had a much better OL & OC around him than Henne did.
I’m not ready to totally give up on Henne, BUT, I still say we need to draft Newton at 15 & take a chance on getting a superstar… I’m sick & tired wishing for another Marino. It’ll NEVER happen, so why not get a Cam Newton who is the exact opposite type of QB that Dan the Man was.. Time to break that mindset once & for all!!
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give henne the o line
And the run game and you saw how clutch he could be in 09, hell even without those he had some really fantastic games in 10, the first jets, the raiders game, and the titans game come to mind.
He wasn't that good in 09
The running game was a big help in 09. The Henne of 09 is not a good enough QB to be a starter in this league, if he doesn’t greatly improve from his last two years, he is done.
by LordBishop34 on Feb 3, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
He was good enough to be a starter in this league
what are you talking about?
Sanchez was a starter in this league, matt cassel is a starter in this league.
2009 henne was better than those 2 (I would argue 2010 was better but whatevs)
He beat the “best” defense in the league in the jets twice he had the best qb rating against them that entire year. He threw for 300 yards 3 times he was more than good enough to be a starter
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LMAO,
Matt Cassel is waaaaaaay better than Henne. Were you under a rock this season? KC went to the freaking playoffs. He had 27-7 TDs to INTs and a 93 QB rating!!! Put down the donuts, Homer!
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2009 henne better than 2009 cassell
and this year, Matt Cassel had the best td recieving WR in the league in dwayne bowe as well as a pretty solid young tight end. He also had the best running back in the league in jamall charles as well as the number 1 running game in the league. He also threw for 200 yards less than henne, and completed only 58 percent of his passes and he had a genius calling plays in charlie weiss.
Yeah he is wayyyy better than henne.
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LOLOLOL
You know why he threw for less yards?
Because, and bear with me here, HE WASN’T THROWING INTS, SO THEY DIDN’T HAVE TO PLAY FROM BEHIND.
Again, you are a homer. It’s ok though, it happens to the best of us at times.
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Of course I am a homer I am a miami dolphins fan.
And 27-7 is a good ratio but it isn’t the greatest qb of all time status.
He also had many weapons around him which let him have the efficiency to win games. 58% isn’t that great of a number. His game management was spectacular it really was but cassel has always been a product of the pieces/system around him. In new england and in Kansas City.
Cassel Flopped in the playoffs because he simply isn’t that great of a qb.
I’m not saying henne is better, i’m saying that matt cassell is not waaaayyy better than henne.
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58% because he took chances.
Which is another thing Henne doesn’t do. This community as a whole puts far too much stock in completion percentage. And Henne doesn’t understand how to use his weapons. If he had the balls to actually throw it to Brandon Marshall in single coverage, his TD’s would have skyrocketed. Instead, he checks down for the easy completion and no gain.
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That is a slight exxageration
for no gain.
Brandon Marshall didn’t see too much single coverage this year.
I’m not going to say that Chad SHOULD have thrown the ball more to Brandon because that is a lot of speculation as to coverages and etc.
Brandon had double digit drops so he wasn’t as sure handed a reciever as we all thought he would be
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yea those are some good points.
But we all know that Chads vision needs to improve, his movement through progressions is very inconsistant, he tends to drop his eyes under diress and sometimes eyes down primaries, these things are all well documented.
Definetely
and those are things he should work on. And i’m sure he will get better at.
I’m just tired of hearing people say that a 3rd year qb has hit his ceiling that is completely ridiculous.
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but i wont agree
that Dan Henning was the sole reason that The Dolphins were not a Superbowl Caliber team by any means.
That was near the beginning of the year
hahahaha
But i dont know
we’ll see if i’m right
It’s rather ridiculous but if we reach the superb owl next year I’ll seem like a genius!
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As for B. Marsh
brandon Marshall gave us what we signed him for. He locked up alot of coverage this season, its really amazing to watch defenses play the coverages against us that Paul Pasqualoni used to run against others. We saw a tonne of Shell coverage this season as well as rolling coverage which is something that was huge. Brandon Marshall is a great route runner and superb leverage player. he has all the ability in the world as well being an unbelievable physical speciman.
Now with that being said, we also got things from him that were suspect. his hands were a question mark this season. Any receiver who gets 9.4 million needs to catch the ball every time it hits him the hands. Give credit where it is due he got open, but those balls NEED to be caught. His hands get a B to B- in 2010 which for 9.4 million is just not good enough.
We didnt get what we hoped for in ability in yards after catch either. he big and physical, but he doesnt have enough moves in his tool box and doesnt effectively use his stiff arm.
Also his work ethic and leadership skills were very inconsistant which is exteremly detrimental to the team.
We got what we knew we were getting but not enough more than that to be thrilled by the signing.
dont get me wrong
Im happy to have him im just saying. Is he really good? Yes. Is he great? Borderline. Is he a receiver that the opposition is dead afraid of, and will get open no matter the coverages, an Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson if you will. No. Hes just not as good as those guys.
I've taken all i can stand! i can't stand no more!
i am sick & tired of some postings that chad henne is still
in his development stage…
the development stage consist of the 1st year trimester,the 2nd year
trimester and the 3rd year trimester.
1st year trimester = 7-9.
2nd year trimester = 7-9.
3rd year trimester = DEVELOPMENT is COMPLETE. miami dolphins should
make a run/walk/swim to superbowl XLVI.
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Are you saying The Dolphins are pregnant?
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LOL
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you do know what trimester means, dont you?
I have a feeling that you dont….since it only apply’s to three month intervals (ie why used for pregnancy stages) and also accedemic measurements of a division of terms.
Since this aint college and Sparano is no longer pregnant, I am going to go ahead and act like I never read this.
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Henne has to go!
Henne is never going to be the quarterback we need to win and carry through to the playoffs and the big game. I supported him but it is clear he has not been the “one”.
Put me in the draft a QB and give Henne a chance camp.
I say move out of the first and draft Kaepernick in the 2nd. Let Henne start and see if he can improve, if he hasn’t by mid season, then let Kaepernick get his lumps in. I would prefer a more “sure thing” at QB, but i just don’t see it in this year’s draft. even Gabbert has question marks.
also, i agree with all the tiers.
i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.
I will take Marino's opinion on Henne
Vs all the haters. I stick to my point , if we can upgrade, great. He isn’t the reason we struggled, not alone.
Just to refresh: awful OL, awful running game, abysmal OC and play calling, loads of dropped passes.
Marino thinks Henne can turn it around. I think so too.
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I am going to roll with you on this one
in the hopes that he can. Am I completely confident? Can’t really say that I am, and am still in favor of drafting a QB. To me, having too many good QB’s would be a nice problem to have. Hopefully DaBull will play to Henne’s strengths and actually let Henne play his game. I mean, we all heard Marshall about how the coaches wouldnt let Henne or anyone change anything. You cant expect to play scared and win in this league, it just wont happen.
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I really dont like
Any QB in this class enough to take in first rd. In any other season they wouldn’t be first rd. I don’t mind a trade for Orton or Kolb if the cost is low, but it won’t be.
Are we 1 season away from winning an SB? Unlikely, so trade down and plug other holes, as we have a lot. If we can get a QB late in first or second, maybe
Would rather fill other holes and sign McNabb for 1-2 years to compete with Henne, then if he cant turn it around, draft a QB next year
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The best part about an upgrade is that
those pieces stay there and if henne fails we can get a franchise qb next year. Our next qb will have a nice environment to grow in.
Dan Henning is the sole reason the dolphins aren't a Superbowl Caliber team.
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a Franchise Qb no matter what team he's on puts u p stats and makes shitty recievers looks good IMO Kyle Orton, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillipi Rivers the list goes on
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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Feb 3, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah definetely
But by that definition Joe flacco and Matt ryan aren’t franchise qb’s
considering that they have amazing running games great o-lines and great WR’s.
Young qb’s shouldn’t be franchise qb’s they need time before they can really make their teammates better.
Sure they can channel their potential and use their teammates but it takes like 5 years before a qb can really MAKE a Receiver better.
Dan Henning is the sole reason the dolphins aren't a Superbowl Caliber team.
GET PETE CARMICHAEL JR. FOR HC RIGHT NOW!
You can't say Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco
couldn’t put up numbers on another team. Matt Ryan seems like he sure could.
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Great post Matty
Since everyone seems to hate the fact that Henne could still develop, there’s way too much negativity on this post.
Look, I think the Dolphins need to look elsewhere for their QB too, but I also think Henne can still flourish. A new offense, a coaching staff who now realizes they have to open up the offense more, and pressure to perform. That could lead to good things for the kid.
Give him a chance to show it in the offseason. If it’s not there, and we have someone better on the roster, by all means, pull the plug, bench him, and have him be the #2.
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If they allow Henne a shot at being someone other than CP10
Then we’ll know if he’s any good.
We learned this year that Henne sucks at being Pennington. He can’t even blow out his shoulder (kidding).
If you put the kid in position to succeed and demonstrate that you’ve got his back… then we’ll see if he is truly any good.
by DrJay32 on Feb 3, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
IF he was CP10
We would have won more games…. :)
But really, I think the making him play like CP10 is garbage. CP10 took more shots then Henne did in the past. TT took more shots. Is Henne the only one that the coaches told don’t screw up? IS he so weak minded he wilted under the pressure? Regardless of Offense, he has been considered inconsistant since the beginning in Michigan. I think after so many years of being an inconsistant player, we can make a fair judgement of him. He is to inconsistant of a player to be an everyday starter.
I think there should be another letter category,
and I think all of our QBs fit into it, my new category would be;
L=limbo
Not one of our QBs has a certain expectation, what I mean by that is, Eli can be expected to perform at at least the 2-b level, M Hasselbach as well, etc, we have players at other positions that have a track record that says you can expect a certain level of performance, whether it is good or bad.
Our QBs don’t have any clear level of expectation, by QB;
CHenne- Has shown both good and bad, if he could get his accuracy from a 3 foot circle to a 1 foot circle he would be at least a 2b, just that 1 improvement and he’s there, but thats easier said then done isn’t it.
Outlook= If CH did not show improvement I would not be shocked, if he did show improvement I would not be shocked.
CPennington- 4th shoulder surgery, enough said, we have no idea what his capabilities and durability is.
Outlook=If he squeaked another good season out I would not be shocked, if his career was over I would not be shocked.
TThigpen- Has hung around on his potential, has the whole skill set, there are quite a few examples of QBs “getting it” later in their career, many QBs have played their best ball when over 30, here Steve DeBerg is a good example, and look at Vick, I know he was in Jail but now that he is more mature he has become the QB many thought he was going to be, but never really was back then.
Outlook= Identical to Henne really, if he stays the same I would not be shocked, if he improved I would not be shocked.
TBrandstater- This guy is as unknown as it gets, need I say anymore.
Outlook=????
So I therefor petition for adding L for limbo, because thats where all our QBs are imo.
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See what you are saying, but this thing just doesnt work out right if you dont grade it like Brian and Matty did.
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Do the fins have the balls?
Henne has proven flat out he can’t cut it. He can’t move, can’t think, can’t throw a touch pass, and falls over if you breathe on him. Plus, he has zero leadership qualities. The only reason I can see that they haven’t cut him is that he’s cheap. Pennington just can’t hold up anymore. We haven’t spent a 1st round pick since Marino on a QB and look what we have to show for it. I wish they would cut these QBs keep Thigpen as a backup and draft a possible long term solution to the QB problem. I wish they trade up and get someone like Newton. I still think Locker would be a good selection.
Tight ends
They might forget Quarters Backs and draft 5 or 6 more tight ends! They do think they need a passer .just tight ends!
they not Very bright these in charge of the Fins!
I think a 6 grader could do much better than the ones who are in charge of the Fins!
been hard to watch them all season long .Glad the pains over with!
between the quarter back and those calling the shots! Miami was DOOMED. they had hardly any chance of winning!
Amazing too me they7 won 7 games! They had So much against them!
I think they could have went to play offs!
I thought they had a pretty good defense all and All! the calls were so bad! Hardly trusted in there running game! Bet it all on a unstable quarter back! Sound like it is going to the same next year?
As long as chad does not get near the 20 yard line markers he not bad! But He cannot look the field over! He just thinks one guy and that is all most of the time!
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i like the idea of taking Locker and sticking with Henne
I believe Locker is the most talented QB in this draft and just needs a little work to bring everything together. Let Henne start the season and continue to develop Locker.
If Henne improves we could always deal Locker away for a need or a draft pick.
I agree with you about drafting Locker
I disagree that you start Henne.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 7, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
we're not that far...
1) first games against Pats and Jets lost due to special teams play
fix that and we’re 3-1 on that this year
2) we were one bad call away from a win against Super Bowl bound steelers adn we beat the Super Bowl bound packers this year
3)get logan mankins and some other players back who were hurt before or during the season and trade down to get 2nd round QB and we will be in business for a very possible 11-12 win season next year. I feel the QB position would be a better draft choice as it is more important and there are so many backs we could use with a good QB and line.
Just like every other year, I am cautiously optimistic about next year and threaten to trade in my phins for a new team at the conclusion of each season when they disappoint…maybe one day I’ll do it or they’ll come through.
one more thing
we don’t need brandstater or thigpen on the roster unless thiggy is retiring
Henne, Thiggy, and 2nd round draft pick
You can't say we would have beaten The Pats if our ST hadn't melted down.
The Pats could just as easily have scored on Offense, they just never got the chance because their ST was doing all of the scoring. I don’t think we would have won that game with or without good ST play.
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Chad Henne is a more solid
all around Quarterback now than he was at any point in 2009. Chad Henne has improved, ill be the first to tell you that his devolopment has not gone at the rate or the level that’d we like but i promise you he is a better Quarterback now. At the end of the season, excluding the patriots gams (Bills and lions) Chad made about 7 mental errors in each of those games. Now i know thats way to high i understand that, but at the end of 2009 he was making about 12 to 14 mental errors a game. His inconsistancies are not all mental though.
Regression?
How can everyone be saying Henne regressed? For sure he didn’t develop the way we all had hoped, but if you look at his stats they are all MARGINALLY better than last year. His passer rating went up, completion percentage up, total yards up, yards per attempt up, TD’s up (sure his ints went up more, but I don’t put all of them on him. I know for a FACT that at least 3 of those ints this year hit his receivers in the hands before they were picked and on two the WR fell down and the ball went right over their heads (would have hit them in the chest had they not fallen down) BM once & Dbess once. I seam to remember Hartline having the same thing happen too, but I am not so sure about that one.
Anyway how can your stats go UP across the board and it be considered regression?
Rockphin
His slight increase in stats
can be attributed to his increase in games started. This season was put on his shoulders, since we had no running game, and Henne did not impress. In fact, his numbers like TDs, yards/game, etc should be MUCH HIGHER given that we were relying on the pass more than the run. Yet, they are not. That is why he has regressed. He was given a lot more opportunity but his numbers did not increase proportionately.
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joel, your reply is not true
Henne attempted 27 more passes this year with ONE more game played and COMPLETED 39 more passes
Rockphin
You are right,
he did slightly increase those numbers, but drastically increased his turnovers, both INTs and Fumbles lost. Also, his 4th quarter QB rating plummeted. I don’t really know how you can believe that he actually improved.
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I don't think he improved. I point was that he didn't regress. His stats are all up
other than Ints (which technically are up, but you know what i mean. LOL)
Bottom line is he didn’t PROGRESS the way we needed him to so we are now trying to replace him.
Rockphin
The lack of a running game doesn't put a qb in a position to impress
didn’t peyton mannign have a string of like 3 int games because nobody could run the ball and his tight end was injured?
If you dont’ have a threat of a run passing the ball becomes much more difficult.
Dan Henning is the sole reason the dolphins aren't a Superbowl Caliber team.
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Oh really?
How was that running game against Chicago? Contradict yourself much?
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right but the thing with thigpen is
he was never a winner in Kansas City
He couldn’t beat out Henne for a starting job
After the ravens game (though this wasn’t warranted) Sparano was begging for someone to start over Chad and thigpen couldn’t beat him.
Neither qb would look good in that situation, but, Chad has played better over a career than thigpen in his (longer) career and he probably would have at least droven our team down to score a fieldgoal.
Dan Henning is the sole reason the dolphins aren't a Superbowl Caliber team.
GET PETE CARMICHAEL JR. FOR HC RIGHT NOW!
That being said, I was NOT happy with Henne's performance
BUT so many times he hit the WR’s & RB’s in the hands this year and they just dropped the passes. BM, Hartline, Bess, Fasano, Ricky, Ronny every one of them dropped catch-able balls this year at CRUCIAL times.
Rockphin
Dropped passes happen on every team.
E-v-e-r-y-t-e-a-m. You think Peyton Manning doesn’t have to deal with dropped passes? Tom Brady? They do, but the difference is they aren’t affected by them like Henne. Henne gets into a fetal position mentally when the game stops going his way.
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what a great speech that was by Kevin Mawae
and hes absolutly right. The NFLPA has in my opinion been very lenient with negotiating the CBA agreement thats currently in place, which everyone knows is an absurdly good deal for the players. He has really come across as a straight shooter.
HENNE
I STOPPED READING THE BLOGS ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE WAY THROUGH SO IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. SORRY. ON PASS PLAYS BETWEEN THE HASHES, HENNE DID A GREAT JOB. WHEN WE WHERE IN THE REDZONE THIS SEASON EVERYONE COULD TELL WHAT WE WHERE DOING, INCLUDING THE DEFENSE AND THOSE OF US AT HOME WHO HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON. NOW THERE HAS ONLY BEEN A VERY FEW QBS WHO COULD STILL MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. AND ALSO DONT FORGET COMING OFF THE FIELD FOR A WILDCAT PLAY ON 2ND AND FOUR AND COMING BACK OUT FOR A 3RD AND NINE…… I THINK THEY KNOW A PASS PLAY IS COMING. I KNOW I AM OF A DYING BREED BUT TOTALLY BELIEVE HE IS OUR QB. TAKE OUT REDZONE INTERCEPTIONS DUE TO STUPID PLAY CALLING OUT, AND THEN LOOK AT IT.THE GUY IS A DOLPHIN AND WANTS TO WIN. LOOK AT THE LAST TEN YEARS, WITHOUT THE CHAD PENNINGTON SEASON , HE IS MILES AHEAD OF ANYBODY ELSE. GIVE THE GUY YOUR CONFIDENCE AND ONE MORE YEAR WITH HOPEFULLY A CAPABLE COACHING STAFF.
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by Tunaflipper on Feb 3, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's rare that a QB doesn't have a bad game!
In our last season..it is true…Henne had bad some bad ‘plays’. But not bad games..[until the last one]
Well, he did have a couple of bad games…but they were layed on ‘Henning’.
How do you carve up the QB…but not what he was asked to do by the OC?
Everyone here knows I still pull for Henne! I ‘believe’ he is CAPABLE of being a 1 B!
I vote this….because he went 6-5 away from home.
Do You even know how hard that is???
That is extreamly hard to do!
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There’s not a writer or a radio host that is showing Henne any support in South Florida. All I hear about on 640 sports or in the blogs is how we’re “moving on” and “Henne’s gotta go”. It seems like this is the way we treat our young talent if they don’t show immediate signs that they are pro bowl potential. Hell, Dolfans would have turned on Jake Long in a heartbeat if he missed a couple of games due to a minor injury. Maybe that’s why he kills himself to stay on the field.
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thigpen leaves...henne and pennington stay.....we draft one and we sign a free agent
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