NFL Scouting Combine Thoughts: Mallett, Ponder shine while Newton struggles
by Matty I on Feb 28, 2011 5:00 AM EST
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PrintConsidering the needs if the Miami Dolphins this offseason, Saturday and Sunday at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis were the two big days. On Saturday, the offensive line took to the field for their on-field drills. But I'm not going to get too much into analyzing blocking techniques and fundamentals. So if you're looking for some talk about the offensive linemen who could be on Miami's radar, I apologize for disappointing you.
On Sunday, quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers took center stage. And if you're looking to discuss those positions, you've come to the right place. Today let's discuss what we saw out of the quarterbacks.
Mallett's stock goes up despite rough media session
If we're talking about the media interview sessions, then Cam Newton would have come off as one of the winners of the weekend while Ryan Mallett would have unquestionably come off as one of the big losers of the weekend. But then these guys stepped onto the field.
Mallett refused to address the drug rumors during his media availability before abruptly ending the session after yet another question regarding these rumors. Early Sunday morning, however, word was beginning to go around that Mallett's private interviews with teams went well, with Mallett receiving mostly "favorable" reviews. By Sunday afternoon, Mallett was probably back into the first round conversation (if he even ever fell out of it to begin with) after putting on a show during his passing drills.
Mallett displayed his strong arm and smooth mechanics as he put together what SI.com's Tony Pauline called "the best quarterback effort at the Combine of the last ten years." Pretty much every other draft analyst agreed with that assessment. It wasn't only the zip on his passes, either. His accuracy and timing were outstanding - far better than what I expected.
Of course, most people expected this kind of performance from Mallett in an environment like the Combine. The questions about Mallett on the field, though, revolve around his decision making, his ability to escape a collapsing pocket, and how he folds when defenders close in. Want a good comparison for Mallett? Think Drew Bledsoe. Big arm and can be very good when given time. But when he has defenders around him, he panics and isn't athletic enough to escape at all.
Newton inconsistent
Meanwhile, the most scrutinized and over-publicized player of the 2011 draft is Cam Newton. And he had his ups and downs on Sunday. He tested out well in the 40, broad jump, and other measurables. But he did little to dispel the idea that he's more of an athlete than a quarterback. His passes often sailed over his intended targets. With so much natural-born talent, however, Newton is still a top pick in this draft.
With that said, there may be a new quarterback climbing into the first round.
Ponder making up ground
"Christian Ponder looked more like first round pick this afternoon than Cam Newton did. Significantly more accurate," tweeted Tony Pauline on Sunday. And Pauline isn't the only one who took note of Ponder's performance yesterday.
I've been saying since he made the decision to throw at the Combine that I was excited to see Ponder throw because I wanted to see how live his arm looked now that he's healthy. And I was impressed. I knew he was accurate. But I didn't know his passes had as much zip on them as I saw yesterday. He looked great throwing those out patterns, with a perfect blend of zip and touch.
Outside of Blaine Gabbert, Ponder might possess the best blend of arm strength, accuracy, and intelligence of any quarterback in the draft.
Just how much of an impression did Ponder make?
"I think there is a real chance for Florida State QB Christian Ponder could go in round on," says Wes Bunting.
A few other QB notes:
- Surprised by the athleticism of some of these quarterbacks. Anyone think Ponder would run a 4.65? Or how about Blaine Gabbert running a 4.62? Just more proof that the QB position is changing.
- Speaking of Gabbert, reports indicate that Gabbert was as impressive in his private interviews with teams as I thought he'd be - cementing my thought that he is the best quarterback in this draft.
- Colin Kaepernick is fast. His 4.53 40 yard dash is proof of that. And he is another QB with a cannon. But his accuracy is very inconsistent and his mechanics are off a bit. He takes a long time to get the ball out.
- Jake Locker looked more like a first round quarterback on Sunday than he has all of 2010. But I'm still not sold on Locker. He's still too wild for my taste.
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What does Mallett have to address with the media...
….as far as drug use is concerned? He’s passed every test taken at UA in 2 seasons there….. Where’s the arrest records (one public intox) and failed drug tests?
Haha, if only we could make that comparison
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Feb 28, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
The More I hear About Ponder....
The more I like this guy…I wonder if he’s the solution we’ve been searching for. Would he be a reach at 15, or could we risk trading down a little and still get him and a 2nd round pick? I’m thinking maybe he’s our guy at 15 (assuming he’s still there, of course). Of course, I’m still hoping there’s a way to get Luck next year…without totally losing all season.
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if we can get a second rounder and get Ponder in the late first I would be happy.
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I said Ponder would be a good QB if he can stay healthy before. That was the only thing keeping him out the first round. It’s no surprise he’s putting on a show. I also think he may be the best day 1 starter candidate. I would be happy if he ends up our QB pick. But he will always carry that giant questionmark above his head.
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Agreed.
… and btw, thanks for the personal note!
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Theyre all going in the 1st round
There are too many teams that need qbs.
If ponder checked out with the combine doctors he could jump past Locker.
Best finz can prolly get in 2nd round is Kaepernick.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Feb 28, 2011 7:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If we have a second round
as of now we don’t….the more I see of Mallett the more I like!
by MassFinFan65 on Feb 28, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
If our front office likes a qb we should just reach for him. At this point i dont care which one of the top 5.
If they like one draft him… Forget about gettin a 2nd rounder.
If they dont like any trade down and go oline or BPA.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Feb 28, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Couldnt disagree more on Mallet.
His issue is NOT against pressure. In fact, he KILLS the blitz. Reminds me A LOT of big Ben. Watch Universal Draft’s breakdown of Mallet under pressure, you’ll see what I mean. His issue seems more to be not recognizing unexpected coverages, and that’s where he’s made mistakes.
by BigPuma23 on Feb 28, 2011 8:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes, his obvious and easily exploited downfall is his inconsistency during strenuous pocket collapse. If you watch his games, that’s his problem.
by Altersreality on Feb 28, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Theres on thing i dont get,and its the fact that people say we have to trade down to get a second rounder
Couldn’t we trade a pick or two from next years draft?
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 28, 2011 8:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't know how willing teams will be to trade 2012 picks
since it’s almost certain the new CBA will have a lower rookie wage scale, teams don’t want to give up those picks because their value will be higher based on less money per contract. so it doesn’t help in moving down. however, I keep hearing that 2012 1st rd picks can help someone move UP in this year’s draft, again, because of their value with an imposed wage scale.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Feb 28, 2011 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's what he was saying,
trade a pick from next year for a 2nd rounder this year. Personally, if we are not moving up I don’t see a point in mortgaging next years draft just to get a 2nd rounder this year. Then we’ll be without a more valuable 2nd rounder when the draft roles around next year.
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Draft The Newtron Bomb!
Yeah,next years value will be much higher
But I’m also thinking that another year of being a top 10 defense ought to raise the value of players. One year,can be an anomoly,but two solid years can not be undermined.
With our Dline being so deep,we could see players like McDaniels,Merling,even Solai raise their value. Giving us ammuntion to get the second round pick back next year after a new agreement has been reached. Whereas we would have to bunch 2-3 this year “even if it was allowed to trade players for picks this year.” Its also the only reason franchise tagging Solai makes sense.seeing as with all our needs,we just signed away a third of our cap space,with more resignings needed.
Even players like Lionel Dotson can raise their stock in the coming year,and with so many teams switching to a 3-4. Our depth can be our saving grace when it comes to the upcoming draft.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 28, 2011 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
McDaniel is expected to walk once he hits FA.
He is going to want to go to a team where he can start.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
The problem with Mallet...
Is his inability to handle pressure, they love how he throws but the game tape doesn’t lie.
This kid's gonna have a chip on his shoulder...
coming out. I watched him yesterday and no qb was even close to him in accuracy on just about every throw. There is alot to be said for that. I think he will come in with something to prove and put his head in game film. I’d take Mallet as a Phin!
by Rumple Pigskin1 on Feb 28, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
In the art of drafting...
… it’s game tape, game tape, game tape…
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
He's improved a lot in that respect this last season.
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I will say it again...
We need a FRANCHISE QB ! More than anything else…. no more freaking DL…no more GD cornerbacks, or DB’s no more players period until this Front office gets us a FRANCHISE QB !!!!!!!!!!!
Gabbertt – Mallett in that order if I was drafting……. ( no thanks on CAM) – which means we ONLY have a real shot at Mallett – Gabbertt and CAM are going much too high for this front office. God forbid they trade up like the 2- time AFC championship contestants JETS… sure they lost – but you are a damn liar if you can’t admit that THEY are ahead of us – and are out coaching & out playing us…. Plus their FO has been better than ours too…. and why havent we signed SHOCKEY yet ? Front office…douche bags…
If Mallett is there at #15 we should take him…. sure I like Ponder (injuries) and Stanzi … and to a very SMALL extent Locker. (accuracy) but Mallett is our best chance at a Franchise QB this year…
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Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change.
WR & RB speed kills......
We still need to trade down first...
but I agree, I’d take a shot on Mallet after we pick up a 2nd rounder.
by Rumple Pigskin1 on Feb 28, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Shockey
Probably won’t sign immediately with anyone. He wants to market himself, get as many offers as he can. That’s why he went off to the Panthers. It’s not a given that the front office could just sign him like that – not without paying silly money, (which would be risky – especially given his injuries).
Whoever the Dolphins select at 12, will definitely be the 12th pick of the draft. Unless they trade down, of course.
I can't understand why people loved Cam's presser
But hated Mallet’s. I get the fact that Cam is good-looking- which is what all the media really means when they talk about his “huge smile” or “charisma”, but he sounds dumb when he talks. Earnest but just not very bright. (Almost as bad as Henne, who often comes off pretty dim) And Mallet, IMO sounded the same. A little arrogant, maybe, but at least there were no third person self references. I think if you listen to both with your eyes closed will find there is not a lot of difference between
the two.
I should say that I don’t think any of this has a lot to do with how effective they will or won’t be. I was just shocked at the vastly different reception of two press conferences that I thought were basically equally bad.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chalk that one up to preconceived notions, Brooklyn.
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by kdock on Feb 28, 2011 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
its exactly like the old Nixon vs Kennedy debate
people who listened on radio said Nixon won, people who watched on TV said Kennedy won, hows that? Because Nixon looked creepy and people thought Kennedy was attractive and had a good smile.
In this case Cam is Kennedy
If you heard their press conferences on the radio,
Newton would still have been the clear favorite. He was not hostile and he addressed the concerns of his character whereas Mallet was the complete opposite.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
I wasn't really saying that Mallet won
just that Newton’s appearance and charisma kinda overshadowed his dullness
I served with Jack Kennedy,
Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Cam Newton, you’re no Jack Kennedy!
by The Wild Dolphin on Mar 1, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
So what was very recently heralded as the worst quarterback class in some time...
is now starting to sound like the best since ’83. Hope springs eternal during the doldrums.
Give us Ryan Mallet or Christian Ponder or Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert or Colin Kaepernick or Andy Dalton or Pat Devlin or Ricky Stanzi or even Jake Locker. I’ve seen or heard glowing reviews from different sources for all these guys. We will get somebody. And for my money(not really my money), I like mallet or Ponder.
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by kdock on Feb 28, 2011 9:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, they both have risks
And Mallett seems uncomfortably similar to Leaf or JaMarcus in terms of personality. But I would be happy with either if those two.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that's a fair comparison.
Leaf’s own teammates hated him. Mallett has his problems, but his teammates love the guy.
And JaMarcus showed up at the combine 20 lbs. overweight. Mallett hasn’t shown anything remotely like that kind of negligence.
Leaf and Russel aren't similar in personality
Leaf is a shchizo and Russel is a lazy slob.
They both have drug problems and busted. though.
I want mallet like I hve said all along
On another note, the New York Knicks got a defense chant in American Airlines Arena last night.
Man I love being from NY, here, our own fans actually show up to the games. Dolphins and Heat obviously have similar fan issues!
Have a great Monday and feel free to watch Amare veto princess James when it mattered the most!
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by DRoyce on Feb 28, 2011 10:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You guys all know I've been touting Newton..
Since the beginning, and I still say he’s the best upside potential of all the QB’s in this draft. That being said, realistically he might not be available for the Phins. Not sure this regime will be willing to trade up for him consdering the other team needs.
If that’s the case, my second coice would be Ponder. Being an FSU fan I’ve watched him play and he’s defintely one to watch. And if he stays healthy, he could sneak up on the NFL & be a another star (ala Brady..).
So my QB preference would be:
1. Cam Newton
2. Christian Ponder
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Newton clearly has the highest ceiling.
His athletic ability is unmatched and he is a proven leader and proven winner. He may have had a bad day at the combine, but he has consistently shown up big in big games. I hope his bad combine will cause him to drop to us.
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IDK, he looked bad in the title game
I saw where Mayock gave him a C for that one, and I would have to agree. Accuracy is very inconsistent, and that is the single most important skill in the NFL.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bad?
He threw for like 275 yards with 2 TDs and an INT! If Henne performed like that, we wouldn’t have a need at QB.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
did you see the game though? because his stats look better than he did
he missed some wide open receivers, including a short pass that would have been a td. His ball location was erratic, and his receivers were always adjusting to him to make the catch. Just watch the game with an objective eye and you will see what I mean.
I get it, he won that game, and a lot of others too, and there is something to be said for that. But lots of college winners don’t have the tools to excel in the NFL. I just don’t think Cam has the accuracy of a Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers. It’s not consistent, it’s not elite.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So many busts could be avoided if FOs don't get starry-eyed and throw out the negatives
Even Billion dollar orgs aren’t immune from shiny objects.
So you're saying
his play in the title game was consistant with his play at the combine. I agree.
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Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?
Why is it called a boxing 'ring', when it's square?
agree Joel... combine for newton was great for the fins
this is a defensive draft and we probably have the best Defense out of all top 15 picks. Hopefully it’s a defensive heavy draft and we can draft the best offensive player at pick 15 without having to trade up.
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IDK, he looked bad in the title game
I saw where Mayock gave him a C for that one, and I would have to agree. Accuracy is very inconsistent, and that is the single most important skill in the NFL.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...a glitch in the Matrix.
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?
Why is it called a boxing 'ring', when it's square?
yep. Shitty iphone service in shitty Queens.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
100% agree
I’d still take Newton number 15 no question. No combine is going to change my mind to what I saw in game ALL last year. That being said if we miss out on him I say our mindset should change to Ponder…. i like this guy and I think he’s got the intelligence and poise to make immediate progress to the next level.
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I will take Cam also. Release was great and his long ball excellent.
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by fin4three5yrs on Feb 28, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I bet Ireland will shock us with Ponder or Locker Lol
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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Feb 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions
Ponder I could live with.. Locker? a long walk off a short pier!
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... but you'd just hit the railing...
lol
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andy dalton
I like andy dalton. He is kind of behind the scenes as far as coverage, but he is pretty sharp. I liked his interfiew with the analyist from nfl network. That was pretty good. He seemed poised, friendly, and down to earth, but also sharp. he came from a program at TCU that won quite a bit. I like his attitude and I think he has the smarts to learn the game. I think Locker is kind of a headcase, kapernick won’t hold up against big NFL players (like Pat White) and Newton is freaking Diva. I also think people are too in love with ponder because he is from FSU. Stanzi struggled too much, Gabbert won’t be there, and Mallet came off like an ass in his interview.
by tightypatwhitey on Feb 28, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
kapernick is 6'6" 225 lbs....
…hardly Pat White material…..regardless, I don’t think he’ll translate well to the NFL
by NC Livin! MIA Born and Bred! on Feb 28, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Pat White = 6'0" 200 lbs....
Kapernick ran 2 hundredths of a second better than PW in the 40!! (4.53 vs. 4.55)
by NC Livin! MIA Born and Bred! on Feb 28, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Kaepernick has WAY more potential than Pat White ever did
Whether that translates into QB success I am unsure. Again, I’d like to interview Kaepernick and see how he felt about converting to TE if his QB development failed.
Probably not very good since he's only 225 lbs and likely can't block very well
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i agree to a point...
kaepernick has more potential than white did. he throws the ball better and makes better decisions, but he isn’t that much bigger. 6’6 225 is 2.88 pounds per inch and pat white is 2.77 pounds per inch. I guess that is a significant difference but that is still pretty petite. Kaepernick just looks lean and like he will blow away in a stiff wind. I am pretty sure a channing crowder fart will tackle him. and no way he gets converted to a TE. unless he can add about 50 pounds of muscle.
by tightypatwhitey on Mar 1, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
It's the 6" that really stands out!
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?
Why is it called a boxing 'ring', when it's square?
I want Ponder. I'm on his bandwagon now.
Unless we take him in the first. Then I’m not haha. Trade our first for a late first and 2nd. Take Ponder in the 2nd, I’d be happy with that. Then either OL or RB in the 1st.
I would take him in the first, but maybe not at 15.
I would take him in the late twenties, though.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Feb 28, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Garnet & Gold!!!
I’m happy to see that Ponder performed well, and has made it back into the conversation by the masses. I still see a trade down scenario by the FO to get back into the 2nd round. Now, the question is do we go QB in the 1st? Or, do we shore up the OL, and take our guy in the 2nd?
I think it’s pointless to draft a QB in the 1st if you don’t have anyone to protect him.
Anyone....
Feels like jumping on the go sign Sidney Rice bandwagon?? I know there is no CBA bla bla bla but once eveything is said and done I feel he would be a GREAT fit and one thing less to worry about on the draft….. That is of course if the CBA is done before the draft but let me dream at least…!!!!! =)
yeah i saw that too. it would be awesome, but i doubt we get him though,
...yay
...I'm drunk and pessimistic
i hate cam newton.
***on the bandwagon for give more weapons for henne, let's see if he performs then***
by naf snihplod on Feb 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
eh
don’t get me wrong i like Rice but i think he’ll be a bit expensive. Besides i think we need more of a burner to stretch the field. We need someone with more high end speed. If we don’t get a guy like thins in the draft i think a cheaper option like a Santana Moss would actually be a better fit for our #2
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teams are going to pay Rice like a #1
make no mistake we have our #1 guy, we need to bring in someone that understands that
Laces out!
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Yup that’s a real problem. BUT you never know. He won’t sign with a team until after the draft. Teams will be happier where they stand and his value might drop. (im trying to be an optimist here lol)
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i mean if someone is going to give us Sidney Rice i will take him lol
i just don’t see it happening like that… I think a guy like moss or a rookie like Titus Young would be a perfect piece.
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Got ya. I think you think right lol.
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Play to win
by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
lol keep going
he’s getting faster by the second
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hahaha
nope thats it. To hear an amazing stat though. Titus Young was considered to have as good long speed as any receiver in the draft. He ended up with the top ranks and was only outrun by a few kids in the 40. With that said Dontay Moch ran a 4.45 and a 4.48 only a few seconds slower at DE. Granted he wont play DE in the pros but still Rush Linebacker. Ungodly.
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NO TO MOSS
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After seeing the underwear bowl and reading the hype
I’m still firmly onboard with Kaepernick or Ponder. Both would be a reach in the first and both will be gone in the third. A dilemma for sure.
So what then? my second best scenario is Julio Jones at 15 if he drops that far.
My third scenario would be to find someone who wants our 15th pick and drop down in the first and take Pouncey and try to land CK or CP in the second.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
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The other 77% are Jets fans.
Agreed.
If Julio Jones is available at fifteen then the Dolphins have a decision to make. He could be too valuable to pass up. At the same time, he could provide value to a team that wants to trade up and grab him (which means the Dolphins could get a high second or even multiple picks).
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It likely wouldn't be a high 2nd unless the team has already picked
and is trading up out of the 2nd round to get him, since the only teams that pick after us have late 2nds as well. Unless, of course, they have already acquired a 2nd from another team at some point.
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absolutely
I think though as talented as Julio is we cant afford to draft him at 15. If we are going to make an investment in our franchise Quarterback that has to be the pick at 15 and even more likely trading into the top 10 and solidifying that pick. (which i am well aware is expensive and will cost us talent down the road at positions we need it, but a Franchise Quarterback is priority number 1.) If not then we have to trade down and acquire value with the reacquisition of our second round pick obviously being paramount.
As for Ingram I dont think we can make that move. Mark Ingram is a great player and I have nothing against him, there is no doubt in my mind he will have success in the league, but we have too many other needs to address at high positions in the draft to take anyone in the First round besides our “franchise” Quarterback.
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I wouldn't be too terribly upset with Ingram or Jones at 15,
but I completely agree that QB needs to be #1. I say trade a 2nd next year (which is worth more so it should be easier to get teams to bite) and move up in the Top 10 and hopefully nab Newton or Gabbert.
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I think that is a very legitimate possibility
Now lets say we do that though, now we have no second round pick and many holes to fill, even rotation at DE if McDaniels leaves which it looks more and more like he will, I dont disagree moving up into the top 10 but that strategy does pose alot out of problems. No matter who we draft at Quarterback the team will struggle next year if we dont flll holes.
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I agree,
but if we don’t get a great QB somehow, the team will struggle anyway. DeAngelo Williams is available in Free Agency, so is Sidney Rice. Sure, Rice isn’t a burner, but Defenses can’t double cover both him and Marshall. With a brazen young QB that isn’t afraid to throw it up to let the big receivers fight for it, our offense would be much improved with just those FA pickups on top of a Newton or Gabbert. Not to mention Shockey is in FA as well.
The problem is, who knows how much cap money we’ll have in the new CBA. Soliai’s tag will likely have to be rescinded and he will have to be given a new restructured, long term contract in order to free up some space.
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I think all those guys are great players along with many others on the market such as Michael Bush, Steve Smith, Malcolm Floyd and Santonio Holmes, but we have other bigger fires to put out first. We need major restructuring on the Offensive Line, at both gaurd positions and possibly at RT. After deciding upon our Quarterback situation for the future, that I believe becomes our next concern.
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No more waffling...or maybe, just a little...
I’m set on landing our franchise QB in the first. Kaepernick or Ponder wont make it to 15 in the second, so I say reach or not….take the man we need and dont look back. We did our homework. We know what these guys can do.
I’m more of a Mikel Leshoure guy than I am Ingram. I hope we pass on Ingram if he’s there in the first. JJ, yes. This guy playing across from Marshall?? Who do you double? But with that said…QB first, Mr. Ross.
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Seems backward, to me.
I just don’t see a QB in this class who’s worth that. None. Trading up this year just because we need a QB reminds me of what hunters tell people who care more about how many rounds a rifle can fire without reloading than about how accurate it is: you can’t miss fast enough to bag your game.
We can’t draft wrong QBs fast enough to get the right QB. Going all in on somebody in this year’s class just seems like missing faster.
Let’s save next year’s second for in case we have to trade up and get Luck, who gives every indication of being the sho nuff real deal.
I've been a Proponent of Ponder for awhile now.
He mentioned that he likes to compare himself to Aaron Rodgers. I would say the same. His only knock is durability (which could be a problem). Depending on the grand scheme of things he could make sense late in the first or definitely in the second. Basically, he is a perfect fit for the Dolphins based upon their draft needs and their draft situation (needing to trade down to get a second round pick back).
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only problem with this write-up
is that after mentioning nearly every other quarterback Tyrod Taylor is still an afterthought. i understand he isnt a 1st 2 round quarterback but as weak as this years qb draft class is, i wouldnt be surprised if he surprised some people in the nfl
Driving the draft Ryan Williams bandwagon
So OLB Moch ran a unofficial 4.35 40 today and had a 42 inch vertical. That sounds like a pass rushing specialist to me. I would love to get him.
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by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He’s so raw he likely won’t go in the 1st Or at least should not. *
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by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh I know someone will say we have Misi. I think he’s a great player and was one of my favorite prospects last year. But he isn’t a speed rusher.
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by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
is that someone Joel? (who i agree completely with about Misi LOL)
I think Dontay Moch is an amazing athlete, I agree that he probably wont go in the 1st round and he is extremely raw.
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I was going to comment on Misi alone until I saw your post lol
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Now with that said Dontay Moch wont be a Dolphin
I think we simply have too many positions to address and Koa Misi is an extremely underrated player.
The one criticism of Misi is his arch pass rushing.(or lack of) And I will admit Misi isnt a great pass rusher and he needs work in this area. He really only has about 2 moves out of about 4 or 5 different angles to attack the Quarterback. Tony Spaarano said it best when he said Misi needs “more tools in his toolbox from the pass rushing standpoint” and I agree with that. With that said though thats really the only major criticism. He is an amazing edge setter, he has a great motor, he can diagnose plays very quickly, he is a good tackler, he has great vision, he is faster than many give him credit for and he is disciplined in his lanes. And even with his pass rushing abilities being limited (which a player who has picked up on so much so fast, he will improve on) he was forth in the league of all rookies in sacks this year with 4.5. That is more than Jason Pierre Paul, Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham who all went in the first round.
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Not only is Misi going to get more sacks next year with
a full offseason to concentrate on pass rushing moves (he had ZERO since he was a convert and learned on the fly) with Brian Cox, but Starks getting back to his DE weight will also increase our pressure from the inside. Remember, Starks led the team in sacks in 2009. We are far better off than many people think when it comes to pass rush.
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Yes we are
Randy Starks role this year as a player really kind of changed this season and I have a lot of respect for Starks and how well he played in that role. If you watch what he is doing you begin to realize the way he was playing was much less predicated on pass rush this season as it was on gap assignments.
I agree with you about Koa Misi and that the Brian Cox hire was an interesting one. My only concern with the hire is what Kacy Rodgers and Bill Sheridan think of it from a coaching standpoint but they are proffesionals and should be able to coexist. Koa played like a vet this year. Nothing unselfish about him and way beyond his years in terms of discipline.
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Yeah,
I’m not too terribly concerned about the coaches’ feelings, they are grown men and they have to realize that Cox was brought in with the single purpose of helping Misi from a pass rushing standpoint. I doubt either of them really have the time to give Misi the 1on1 instruction that he could really benefit from.
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From a coaching standpoint
I have no problem with the move, and I agree that both of them shouldnt either. I also agree the move was focused on Koa Misi’s devolopment in that area and one on one attention could be huge for him. It made alot more sense than some of our other hires this offseason.
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It was a surprising hire
and I loved it. It puts one more pebble in the Pro side [vs Con] of the coaching staff’s scale, for detail in nurturing. Couple this with Misi immediately hitting the game tapes and seeing his talent on the field, shows we have one hell of a player who’s game can only go up!
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Like I said I really like Misi. He had a great rookie year. In fact it was one of the best for a rookie OLB. But he is not explosive or fast when compared to Wake. Moch has the ability to be Wake like. Misi will only get better. Having Wake Misi and a grooming speed rushed is a good thing. After all isn’t Wake 30. He only has a few great years before he loses a step.
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by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Cam is a great player
but Koa is actually superior in some areas, as Cam Wake is superior to Koa in other areas.
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They also have Edds....
He’s suppose to be good also…..
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correction
Rich Eisen mispoke he ran unofficial 4.45 and 4.48 at the combine today, still those figures are amazing. As Mike Mayock continues to point out its incredible how these athletes can carry the weight. Nate Solder and Anothony Castonzo weigh over 300 each yet dont have any extra weight. Amazing specimens, reminiscient of a heck of a LT we got here in Miami.
As for Moch those numbers are still outstanding, and talk about carrying the weight. The guy is 6’1 245. Remarkable.
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I got to watch it live. It was a 4.35. I didn’t stay to hear the official time. But I know it was under 4.5 which is just crazy.
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by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry read that to fast. I didn’t see where you said the announcer was wrong….well we agree on the speed lol
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by 54 on Feb 28, 2011 7:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no worries. Mike Mayock corrected him on TV a few minutes later
and Warren Sapp seemed almost relieved that he didnt run 4.35 haha.
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btw the official time as I just saw was .01 faster
4.44 seconds official. WOW.
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Put a GOOD O-Line in front of Mallet &
watch him throw for 4,000+ yards…yes his arm is that BIG!
+
We already have the receivers in place (for the most part, would be nice to add speed)
+
The draft is deep in RBs…Mallett in the First…RB in the third & we are no longer a boring offense!
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I think that Mallet and Henne would be a great competition and should produce much better QB play than we had last year. I’d be banking our future on the development of those two prototypical passers….
Then go after OL and speed receiver. And sign Shockey…
by NC Livin! MIA Born and Bred! on Feb 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, sign Shockey
then we could comfortably run 2 TE sets while still having someone able to catch passes outta the position.
A good draft without trading, imo is
1. Mallet
3. Demarco Murray
4. Casey Matthews
5. Randall Cobb
hmm, apparently cobb is slated to go alot higher thant the 5th
so that nixes him there
Quick thoughts.
Surprised by the athleticism of some of these quarterbacks. Anyone think Ponder would run a 4.65? Or how about Blaine Gabbert running a 4.62? Just more proof that the QB position is changing.
Or, maybe this draft class is just different? NExt year’s draft class doesn’t have a lot of these athletic QBs and last year’s didn’t with the exception of Tebow.
I love Ponder and think he will do great becaus ehe has the two things you need on a QB, a head and pinpoint precision in his passes.
Looks like Mallet worked hard during the offseason to work on his footwork, something he struggled with, and also his hard work should also silent some of his questions about his work ethic. Mechanics is very hard to change because when throwing, you can’t over think the process or you will be inaccurate, you have to work off of habit and changing a habit takes a whole month of work without a day off. That is hard work.
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Even if it's only every other year,
the fact is there are a lot more running QBs coming out of college now than there were 10 years ago.
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The problem with running QB's
is INJURIES!!!!!!
Put someone (such as Mallett) behind a good line with a good RB = success!
Imagine what Marino could have done with a running game to back him up & a defense like we presently have!
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I want the QB with the better accuracy
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All the new QB`s
There is a point everyone seems to be missing pertaining to all these newbies. They`re all basically going to get a Pro Redshirt Year. No rookie camps,minicamps and an abriged training camp is coming this season. Newton with his highest ceiling would not be thrust into a game this year!!! Locker with his accuracy issues or Mallet with his footwork will all be third on their teams depth charts. It`s a perfect year for them all.
The down side of this is were all going to have to roll with Henne again.
I dont agree entirely
Depending on who drafts them a guy like Mallet could probably still start his first year. I think he is that far ahead of Newton and Locker. Add in a QB like Ponder who could pick up and run an offense pretty quickly. I could easily see either Mallet or Ponder outplaying Henne in preseason. That is not even to mention whatever veteran we bring in. SO there is no guarantee Henne will start next year, remember performance wise Henne has yet to be the best QB coming out of preseason since he got here. SO if the coaches do go with a QB competition I would be surprised if Henne came out on top.
by LordBishop34 on Mar 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Henne did have the starting job won until Pennington dropped out of the sky to us. As for the rookies I really cant see how any of them could win a starting job with just a training camp to learn an NFL offense. There is just too much to learn, rookie and mini camps really help. Add to that Chad`s already got a peek at what the Dolphins are going to do next year. And the question of who actually can be signed as a free agent?.
I don't know where you get your info,
but Henne, Beck and McCown were all equally terrible in the 2008 offseason. Nobody had clearly won by the time Pennington became available.
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I was reading where the 'official' times
are inaccurate and the unofficial times are closer to the real time. This was supposedly proven by the cams. [Walterfootball.com]
Yes, we first need a Quarterback [hopefully Malletts stock will allow him to drop] and we need a #2. Do we take a guard or a WR?
I’ve changed my thoughts on Watkins, not because of his abilities, but his age. 27
If we go for guard, I really like Marcus Cannon. At 6-6/358, he is a monster. He benched a nice 33, and his 40 was 5.2. Quick for a giant!
But then there’s John Baldwin who is in the same mold as Marshal. 6-4/228 with a 4,5 40 and a vertical of 42". His hands are huge, at 10 1/8".
I don’t know what the hell happened to O’dowd but he sucked. He was pushed around all day, [He has to be injured], so he’s out of my queue.
However, my pick for TE, Rob Housler’s stock climbed, so I’ll put him in at #3. 6-5/248 with a 40 of 4.5 and a vertical of a respectable 37. There’s room to add weight and IMO would be a nice fit.
O would like to see WR Lockette picked up later. He needs some work but a 4.37?
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Honestly, if we go for a G or C
I really want Rodney Hudson from FSU, he really flashed in his drills at the combine
So who we gonna draft?
QB, RB, WR, OL? The suspense is killing me
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