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State of the Miami Dolphins Roster: Defensive Line

This post is part of a series of posts that will break down and evaluate the Miami Dolphins position by position. If you haven't read up on how players are being classified (the number and letter that follow each player's name), you can read this post explaining the evaluation system. You can also read the previous posts in this series by clicking here.

It's time to begin our evaluation of the defense - a unit that improved dramatically in 2010 from 2009. Mike Nolan helped to turn this defense into the sixth ranked defense in the league. And it was the play of the Dolphins defensive line that really led the charge and made the greatest improvement over a year ago. It also might be the deepest unit on the entire roster.

So let's take a look...

Kendall Langford (2-C). This former third round pick had shown flashes in each of his first two seasons since being drafted in 2008, winning a starting spot from day one. But in 2010, Langford took the next step towards becoming one of the best 3-4 defensive ends in the league. Having just turned 25 years old, Langford should now be entering the prime of his career - with lots of good football ahead.

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Randy Starks (2-B). Starks had an outstanding season in 2009 but was then asked to shift inside to NT last offseason. A season-ending injury to Jared Odrick changed those plans. Despite playing at a slightly higher weight, Starks was effective at end once again in 2010 - though he probably wasn't as good as he was in '09. Assuming Starks goes back to focusing just on the DE position this year, I expect the big man and 2010 Pro Bowler to continue playing outstanding football as he enters the final two years of his current contract.

Tony McDaniel (2-B). Having just turned 26 years old, McDaniel is coming off of an impressive season as a key cog to Miami's defensive line rotation. He saw more playing time than most probably expected last year and he probably opened some eyes around the league. The question now is if he can live with being a key role player or if he wants to search for a starting role with another team.

Jared Odrick (3-D). No, we didn't get to see much of Odrick. But the fact remains that the Dolphins 2010 first round pick won a starting job out of camp and did not look in over his head during his brief stint before going down with a season-ending injury. Jared should be 100% for training camp and his return is like adding an extra first round pick in 2011.

Phillip Merling (3-E). Merling will be 26 in April and is coming off of a season in which he only played in five games due to injury. But Merling had played in all 32 games during his first two seasons. He's entering a crucial season in 2011. He'll be a free agent in 2012 and has been somewhat disappointing despite flashing at times throughout his three seasons in Miami.

Paul Soliai (2-B). As we've all discussed at length the past few weeks, Soliai's impressive 2010 turnaround really keyed Miami's defensive revival. The Dolphins put a lot of pressure on the big man after Jason Ferguson retired and Randy Starks shifted back to defensive end. Soliai responded far better than anyone could have expected. But now the question - will he remain as committed and work as hard after he gets his big pay day?

Ryan Baker (3-E). I probably like Baker more than most do. But I think the now 26 year old is the kind of player good teams have filling out the bottom of their rosters. His versatility to play both inside or outside on Miami's defensive line depending on the front Nolan goes with and his non-stop motor make Baker a guy who I can see as a valuable piece moving forward. But he will have to fight to keep his roster spot this season as this front office "turns over every rock."

Chris Baker (4-F). The big man out of Hampton was active for one game last year. He was a kid who some thought had a lot of upside coming out of school. But he's bounced around and is nothing more than roster filler.

Robert Rose (4-F). Rose spent part of 2010 on the team's practice squad after being released by the Seahawks in September. He signed a reserve/future contract in January after the season ended, essentially meaning he'll at least be with the team and take part in their training program - that is, if the team's offseason program ever actually begins in 2011.

Contract situations: Obviously the big story here revolves around two of Miami's key free agents - Paul Soliai and Tony McDaniel. Both are unrestricted free agents this offseason - whenever a new CBA is reached. It's also worth noting that both Kendall Langford and Phillip Merling are free agents following the 2011 season.

Outlook: I really believe the Dolphins must re-sign Soliai. He plays the most difficult position to teach on the defensive side of the ball and seemed to finally start "getting it" last season. I also do not believe his 2010 season was an anomaly. I see it as a sign of things to come. As far as the rest of the defensive line, the only question is really if McDaniel returns. If he does, this unit is pretty much set. If he doesn't, then the Dolphins could be in the market for a role player to fill his shoes.

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We need to make it a priority to resign both Paul Soliai and Tony McDaniel. Tony may want a bigger role. But I think a decent contract will do the trick. After all he was one of the players that fully supported Sparano during the coaching drama. Says he loves playing for TS and would like to keep playing in Miami. Our line is so deep it’s insanely good. In addition with our players signed we can trade one or two for high draft picks after the new CBA.

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 5:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agree 54 on resigning both Soliai and Tony Mac

Soliai gives us legit play at NT and set the table to groom a young NT selected in the draft. Tony Mac is the best playmaking DL on our roster, hands down. We need to get more plays from our DEs in the 3-4. JT was sorely missed due to his ability to line up as DE or fall back(lb) in the 3-4 scheme.

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by fin4three5yrs on Feb 22, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I also like Ryan Baker. Loved how he stayed to sign autographs for everyone at last years camp. A great guy and soild player. But I don’t see how he makes the team this year. But no worries, he is probably good enough to be a starter for another team. Our lineup is just that good.

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 6:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i think Ryan Bakers

future tenure in Miami really depends on whether Tony McDaniel gets resigned or not. I think Tony McDaniel was a vital piece to our defensive rotation last season, he doesnt have any major weaknesses in his game, but this offseason he in my eyes is our third FA priority behind Soliai and Incognito. If we dont resign McDaniel we will have to fill his hole or we will see the effect of it next season im sure of that. I dont have faith in Jared Odrick yet. Granted it was his rookie year but i didnt think he played well up until his injury. He didnt play with any leverage, wasnt a good pass rusher, and didnt show the motor of a Koa Misi. He has alot of work to do and I dont really trust Phillip Merling as far as his health and work ethic.

Our rotation will suffer if McDaniel isnt resigned, but we have two major priorities in Incognito and Soliai who also have to be dealt with.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Jared Odrick was pulling double teams in his only game.

I don’t see how that in itself isn’t an impressive feat. Still, the jury is out on him. He may be injury prone for the rest of his career.

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea

he actually started that game. I didnt think he played very well against The Bills though. He did draw a few double teams in the game, about 7 or 8 maybe in total which is a fair amount, but he did really show anything. One thing I noticed about Odrick in preseason and in the Buffalo game is that he kept getting caught too high and flatfooted. In The Bills game he showed almost no passrush, he actually used the same move just a simple spin to the outside about 5 times in the game to no effect. He missed a tackle on a little shed screen to Marshawn Lynch in the First Quarter which wasnt good, he didnt do a great job of recognizing the play and then missed the arm tackle. He made one tackle in the game which was a good play but besides that didnt show much and then got hurt.

Jared Odrick has alot to learn and suffering a season ending injury at such an early point of your rookie season is concerning as you mentioned. Donal Thomas though went down in 2008 on the second snap of the game and rebounded from that injury fairly well i thought in 2009, so we will see.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you remember that much from the game?

Please tell me you went back and reviewed some tape before posting that comment!

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes i did LOL

I have TV broadcasts of all our Games. I just dont make it too clear because its a little bit of……you know with legal stuff. But its only for home viewing and I have no intent of stealing from The NFL.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

lol that's cool.

I wish I had every game saved, I would really like to go over them play by play.

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

see how ive been doing it, the easiest way is recording them off the NFL Game Rewind program onto the computer and then onto DVDs. If you bought Game Rewind they have archived all of 2010 and the 2009 seasons for every team, I could explain step by step how I do it.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 23, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Odrick sniffed out a screen in the Bills game. That showed me great awareness for a rookie.

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by PotM on Feb 27, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

McDaniel might be the odd man out. I don't know if the Phins can keep both him and Soliai.

I like McDaniel and in a perfect world I would keep him. With him, Langford, and Starks that is a really good DE rotation. Odrick is coming back and Merling is in a contract year so I would expect both of them to play well as rotation guys behind Langford and Starks.

If there is a priority in FA for the Phins it is resigning Soliai, IMO. That probably leaves McDaniel out. By the way I think this sucks because McDaniel is a better player than either Odrick or Merling.

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by ct1361 on Feb 22, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Yep I thought the Odrick pick was a waste last year and it turns out to look worse with the emergence of McDaniel

I dont see any way for us to keep McDaniel with Odrick on the team. I wouldnt make sense numbers wise

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by Souwantmyname on Feb 22, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason it is a wasted pick is because of Paul Soliai

credit to him, we didnt foresee the level of improvement from him at all that he showed us in 2010. Having Soliai play NT especailly to the level he did made the Odrick pick complete irrelevant. Part of that is hard to foresee coming but part of it also has to be blamed on this management. I didnt love the pick much at the time either, I thought it was very conservative and didnt fill our biggest need, but it looks alot worse now, and not even because of Odricks play or injury. Just because of where we stand as a team and what needs were overlooked last season that surfaced in 2010.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It is really hard to foresee where Odrick will be though.

I am also open to the idea of trading or releasing Merling. I dont think he is playing at a very high level, he suffered a bad injury for his style of DE, and his attitude has been brought into question.

Tony McDaniel is still a much better player than both of them and was a huge piece last season to the success of the rotation. I understand bring Incognito, McDaniel and Soliai back makes it harder to invest in other player in FA but they all seem like top priorities to me.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with Soliai and McDaniel Matty...

both players showedd they were dynamic and when it comes to your DL you don’t get cheap… DT is just one more thing to think about if Soliai leaves us

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by BSerious72 on Feb 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

RESIGN BOTH.

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by BSerious72 on Feb 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

McDaniel has earned starting 3-4 DE money

He was our best defensive lineman at times during the season. I want us to keep him but it our FO needs to think about the cap

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by Souwantmyname on Feb 22, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

With our needs

it isnt really a position I think we can afford to have to worry about. Unfortunatly Soliai knows it and is going to make us both pay big money (the number that has been thrown around is 6 million) and sign him him to a longterm deal which probably means a big gaurantee. But thats the way it works.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

How are Soliai and Henne both 2-B?

by slalomer11 on Feb 22, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Read the post explaining the evaluation system.

There is a link in the italicized first paragraph.

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

McDaniel is better than Merling

Keep tony over Merling any day…We should have looked to trade Merling already. He is a below average player for someone who was selected #1 in the second round of the draft. this is our last chance to trade him before we just lose him next year. He will never be resigned next year as a free agent after another “average” year – if he can beat out anyone for much playing time (McDaniel or Odrick) I think tony M would really deliver if given the chance to start all 16 games anyway.
big Paulie deserves to be resigned too – he earned it (finally) with his play down the stretch – and where are we going to get a NT if he leaves ?

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by 62Lou on Feb 22, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Starks.
big Paulie deserves to be resigned too – he earned it (finally) with his play down the stretch – and where are we going to get a NT if he leaves ?

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea remember though

that Soliai beat Starks out for that job, and if he is to move inside he will need depth behind him and that takes the third really effective piece out of our DE rotation.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Soliai did not beat Starks out.

When Odrick went down, the office didn’t see McDaniel emerging as a legit starting caliber DE and, thus, put Starks over there. They figured there was a bigger decline in talent between Starks and McDaniel at DE than there was for Starks and Soliai at NT. You cannot claim that Soliai beat him out at the position when he had the entire offseason to prove something, especially given how badly Soliai was run on until Crowder came back.

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes you are right about how Soliai became a starter and thats a very good point but..

I think Jared Odrick wasnt going to remain the starter even if he stayed healthy very long anyways. He just looked too raw against Buffalo and may ot have even gone into The Vikings game as starter, I actually dont think he would have.

I also feel as though you are underestimating how well Soliai played this season, and how much progress he made throughout the year. Soliai in September wasnt the player he was in December. One of our worst days against the run all year came that very next week as well against The Vikings, but alot of things went into that, we were patching things together on the line and yes the biggest piece was the play of Bobby Carpenter. I dont think Carpenter is a terrible player, I actually dont think he should have been cut, but struggling as badly as we did without Crowder in the lineup shows his value.

There are two things wrong with letting Soliai go and play Starks at Nose. First is the difference between Soliai and Starks inside. Paul Soliai just brings so much to the table, he plays the position smarter than Starks does, he anchors the middle far better, he has better vision inside and his lateral movement and pursuit to the outsides is better because he can fight through more congestion that Starks can. Also one of the reasons we had so much success at DE this season was because of how well we could rotate and that no matter what stage of the rotation we where in we had a starting caliber player on the field. If soliai leaves and Starks moves to Nose I guarantee you our Defensive production against the run will immediatly suffer. Soliai is a must sign to me.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 23, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I know this isn't the point of your comment
One of our worst days against the run all year came that very next week as well against The Vikings

We have to remember that the Vikings have Adrien Peterson! There have been more than a few defensive players made to look bad by this monster.

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 23, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

I understand that, but that still wasnt the point lol.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 23, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

McDaniel made a bunch of big plays in 2010

The problem with keeping him is we might not have a starting spot for him unless the coaching staff decides he is better than Odrick at this point (or a safer option) AND they trade Starks. If he is willing to stay with the Dolphins without the guarantee of a starting spot then it’s a big plus for us.

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 22, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We could just trade Starks for a 2nd and re-sign McDaniel

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by Souwantmyname on Feb 22, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

good call

sounds pretty good to me

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by tylerrr on Feb 22, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a bad suggestion

But only if we also re- sign Soliai.Starks just played in the probowl so a second rounder seem like a good trade. We can then move McDaniels to the starting lineup and maybe Odrick can give us what Tony did last season coming off the bench. Now if we don’t re-sign Soliai we might have to move Starks to the NT. Then Tony Mac would be a priority.
As far a trades go we could also throw in Bell and Crowder. Bell was a probowler two seasons ago and we might can get something for him while he still has some value

by NawlinsPhinPhan on Feb 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

na i like crowder man. him and dansby are a solid combo

and who do you propose we replace Bell with? we’re still not really set at FS, so i wouldnt propose getting rid of Bell just yet

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by tylerrr on Feb 22, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea but one of the big reasons we

had so much success at DE this season was because of the rotation we had between Langford, Starks and McDaniel together. Everyone got time to regroup and while they would we still had a starting caliber player on the field.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

and everybody was complaining

when we got rid of those two DL at the beginning of the year. i dont even remember their names :(

by Tison M on Feb 22, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Grant and Douglass

Even I thought we should keep at least one of them for veteran leadership,but it seems this regime is way smarter then most of us. What I thought was going to be our weak link ended up being the strength.

by NawlinsPhinPhan on Feb 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah! those two!

i dont even think they are in the league anymore are they?

by Tison M on Feb 22, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that the FO cut Grant and Douglas because they were FA's not draft picks.

I thought Grant and Douglas both outplayed Odrick in preseason. But they aren’t going to cut a 1st round pick or Merling for that matter.

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by ct1361 on Feb 22, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

CT I think you hit the nail on the head. An it is part of the reasons I'm not to confident in the FO.

People forget the d-line played poorly the first few games. An it’s one thing to cut players and bring in better players. It’s a completly different thing to bring in camp bodies after training camp is over. An people forget that Grant and Douglas played DT which is still a week point of our d-line. They were flexible enough to play multiple techniques on the d-line. Cutting these two players and J. Grove was the start of the roster churn that IMO was the downfall to the 2010 season. We should have brought at least two of those three back. Should have brought them back on the cheap.

by FinFanFromCA on Feb 22, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Or with the emergence of McDaniels,stick to the original plan

And return Starks to NT. I’m not at all pleased with Solais expectancies after only one solid year. Free up some cap space and re sign McDaniels,but if Solais asking price is too much,let him walk.

Besides,we have the future to think about,Langford has been solid in his time in Miami,Solai,not so much.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 22, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

can you name a good 3-4 dt that came right out of school to be a dominate force?

if you read you can see that the DT spot in a 3-4 is one of the hardest to learn. it takes time, 3 years is pretty good….

by Tison M on Feb 22, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Suh?

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He is right though

It is an extremely difficult position to master. One of the hardest on the field actually because of the huge responsibility in a 3-4 the NT carries. Ndamukong Suh is one of the smartest and most gifted players I have ever seen and played the position to an extremely high level, but it is difficult to find.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He asked a question and I answered it easily :P

I didn’t claim that he was wrong, but he wasn’t thinking when he posed that question ;)

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ohhh ok.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 22, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Suh a 4-3 DT?

If we want to look at 3-4 DT (NT) Ngata had a pretty good start. Baltimore isn’t the easiest defense to start for as a rookie either. Although he wasn’t the starter out of the gate Wilfork had a pretty decent rookie season as well, however, I think they are the exceptions not the rule. :)

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes he is

but Suh played in both the 3-4 and 4-3 at Nebraska. He can play Nose.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 23, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah,but in 3 years he wasnt exactly dominate

And it was a contract year,so we still don’t know if he’s worth the 6 mil his agent is asking. Let’s say he gets the contract,and decides to balloon up again. Then were out 6 mil for crowder,6 mil for solai,and the idea that we can make lemonade outta these two lemons. Sorry,but no ty

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 22, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

decides to balloon up again

This is not an issue. There will be strict weight clauses in his contract no matter the team.

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think most people realize that is the norm

for the bigger players such as NT.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

And we will hear this argument over and over.

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Also Crowder is owed 2.5 million. That’s good value for a player our defense rally’s around and plays better when he’s on the field. But should we be looking for his replacement? Yes, because of injuries. Edds may eventually be his replacement.

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We are getting conflicting reports about Crowder's salary.

I’ve seen 6.66 million thrown around a couple times.

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade him!

He is just average!
If we can’t…keep him as backup.

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by Flip-her on Feb 22, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t trade cheap key players. Especially without finding his replacement first.

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Edds or Ikaika!!

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by Flip-her on Feb 22, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We hope, but they got to prove it first.

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by 54 on Feb 23, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

No...trade Crowder NOW

while he has pretend value.

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by Flip-her on Feb 23, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I think you want to trade him just because he has a smart mouth. Unfortunately that’s not a good reason to do so. Fact, Crowder is a team leader. Like it or not he is. Fact, the defense player way better with him than without him. Fact, his injury laden career causes him to have little – no trade value. Fact, he is cheap. Fact, he is our 2nd best ILB behind prowl caliber Dansby. Fact, there is no reason to let him walk.

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by 54 on Feb 23, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry,,,,he was a runner up in his prime!

I could care less about his mouth. He was a weak shadow behind Zack. Crowders name was rarely heard when playing next to Thomas! WHY?
Fact….he is an ‘experianced’, yet mediocre LB, playing with VG inexperianced LB’s!

Trade him now… while he seems to be good [because of his mouth].

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by Flip-her on Feb 23, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I should of linked it :) thank you FFFCA

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by 54 on Feb 22, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that the Dolphins defensive line was the bright spot of the team in 2010

They’re set. They have the pieces. Soliai at NT, and Langford, Starks, Odrick, McDaniel and Merling at DE. We have the versatility of swinging Starks inside to NT should anything happen to Soliai (and to give him a breather periodically). I think that the smartest move is to resign everyone and keep things the way they were.

If anything, they could look for a developmental guy late in the draft. The worst thing they could do is let Soliai go or get rid of McDaniel. Remember that whatever can go wrong will go wrong. If Starks or Langford goes down with a season-ending injury we are going to be VERY HAPPY that someone like McDaniel is around!

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 22, 2011 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

I would prefer....

And now this is contigent of them getting rid of the “franchise tag”… but if they did, we go get Ngata, and forget Soliai. Ngata can play NT and he is the kind of player that we need to dominate inside. I like Paul Soliai, but come on .. who would you rather have? Hey, it is a long time until the season starts … so I can dream can’t I?

by Damarys Scott on Feb 22, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

You're echoing what I have said for weeks.

In our scheme the NT is a 2 gap player that takes on the center and at least one guard, keeping them busy so a ILB can ‘draw in’ the OT, leaving the DE to help Wake. I think Soliai did ‘OK’…. but then lost some stream.
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by Flip-her on Feb 22, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

'steam'

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by Flip-her on Feb 23, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't know if I would say elite

but very close for sure.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So to sum up:

we’re set (as long as we draft/sign or sign/draft) at DL.

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by Tunaflipper on Feb 22, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

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by Flip-her on Feb 22, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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It’s not a secret anymore…. lol

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by Alpha6 on Feb 24, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

my two cents...

i say we get another pass rusher via fa. i heard no other name other than wake pressuring the qb. this will work wonders for the defense, i believe. we can get an athletic de thru fa. i dont know whos available, but we should get somebody to help wake. before everybody bashes this, ask yourself, “who other than wake pressured the qb effectively?”. nobody else. we debate about the secondary not being adequate. but we forget that the opposing qb had all the time to expose our young secondary due to the lack of pass rush. that being said, no one else other than wakedidit effectively. its so obvious to the opposing o. now as for the offense, we can address it thru the draft or fa.

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by texphinphan on Feb 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Starks had 8 sacks in 2009.

And 1 at NT in his 2 games. If he is committed to a position and sheds/adds weight accordingly this offseason, you will see more pressure from him. Unfortunately, he was stuck at DE with NT weight in 2010, so he was slower and less effective. Koa Misi got 4.5 sacks as a rookie, which is pretty darn good especially considering he is a convert with no previous pass rushing moves in his arsenal. With the addition of Brian Cox as the “pass rushing coach”, you can expect Misi’s numbers to rise.

In short, there is very little need to bring in another pass rusher, much less on the D-Line.

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by joel311 on Feb 22, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yes there is....

we still dont know what odrick will be. starks doesnt cut it. hes a good backup at de or nt, but miami needs to decide what to do with him, either de or nt. plus he lacks outside speed. he may be better at nt, i think. as for misi, he may be better on the inside next to dansby. if thats the case, crowder is the odd man out. the point is, we STILL dont have anybody other than wake. well have to wait for misi to come around and develop his skills. why wait, get somebody who can pressure the qb effectively. we can always pray for misi and odrick to pan out, but only time will tell. this defensive talent that we have may not be together long, we need to take advantage of this young defense and realize its full potential by getting wake the help he needs.

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by texphinphan on Feb 23, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

"starks doesnt cut it. hes a good backup at de or nt"

Randy Starks is a very, very good defensive end. He’s also the best defensive end the Dolphins have, and has been since virtually the day he arrived. He works harder than anybody else, makes more big plays than anybody else, and yet still is the definition of a “team guy”; hence his willingness not just to move from that position to NT when the team needed it, but to take it on with relish.

To add to what joel said, not only did he get 8 sacks in 2009, he got them all by himself — nobody else was getting any pressure on the QB at all.

All this talk about giving him so up so we can keep Paul Soliai or Tony McDaniel (not something you said, I know) is . . . perplexing, at best.

by urbino on Feb 24, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points

The thing is, if the Dolphins can get a second round pick for Starks, it might be in the best interests of the team. We’ve found ourselves with a surplus of talent and the dropoff between Starks and McDaniel/Odrick/Merling might not be that great.

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing is,

Starks is better than those guys right now, if he returns to 09 form then he is a lot better, he was dominant at DE in 09, and he got better as the year wore on last year.

Leave him at DE and there is no reason he won’t return to 09 form when he was the best defender on the team, and we are a weaker team without him there is no doubt.

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by uncle finster on Feb 24, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It would definitely be a risk to trade him.

I’m speaking hypothetically. We would essentially be gambling on Odrick’s ability to stay healthy. However, what makes me feel better about this type of deal is the fact that McDaniel and Merling would be around in case he gets injured again.

Yes, the defense would miss Randy Starks, and maybe it would turn out to be a big mistake. But what if Odrick turns out to be a total beast and we end up with a second round pick and a (dare I say) even better defensive line?

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 26, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

A 2nd would be nice.

No doubt. But the dropoff between Starks and Merling is quite large. Odrick is a 98% unknown. And I haven’t seen nearly enough from McDaniel to consider him anything more than a backup. Maybe if he got more snaps, he’d show more; but then, if he showed that “more” in practice, he’d be getting those snaps.

One thing’s for sure. Now that they’ve slapped the big-money tag on Soliai, somebody’s gonna have to go.

by urbino on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

All I see McDaniel do is make plays.

He’s young, he’s got elite size and strength, and he seems to be more than capable of holding down a starting spot. His biggest problem is being buried on a depth chart.

A defensive line consisting of Starks, Soliai, Langford, Odrick, McDaniel and Merling would be ideal. The Dolphins could make it a reality by resigning McDaniel to a reasonable contract. My only point is that it might be a better idea to part ways with Starks and get something in return than to just allow McDaniel to walk away for nothing.

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 26, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow....we agree.

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by Flip-her on Feb 23, 2011 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

Thought I hit 'reply'

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by Flip-her on Feb 23, 2011 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

I'm glad we tagged Solai.

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by Patssuck456 on Feb 25, 2011 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

im also glad we tagged solai. need to resign mcdaniels. odrick, mcdaniels, baker, merling and robert rose from the practice squad to compete for the RDE job. could even bring in another DE from FA to add to the mix. trade starks for a 2nd. trade down in the draft to get another 2nd. i like starks, he has been a great player for us, but he is the only player we have that has enuff value for a 2nd. that we can afford to part with. IMO.

by warpigs on Feb 26, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

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