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State of the Miami Dolphins Roster: Interior OL

This post is part of a series of posts that will break down and evaluate the Miami Dolphins position by position. If you haven't read up on how players are being classified (the number and letter that follow each player's name), you can read this post explaining the evaluation system. You can also read the previous posts in this series by clicking here.

I took some heat last week for how I divided up the offensive line. But here's how I decided to divide up the unit. Though some of the guys discussed below might be listed as tackles on the team's official roster, the fact is that they have all played either guard or center (or both) at some point last year and will probably see action inside at some point in the future.

There's no question that the interior of Miami's offensive line was a hot mess in 2010. But let's take each piece individually and see just how bad  the damage is - and now much of a repair is needed.

Richie Incognito (2-B). Coming to Miami, Incognito was a major question mark. It wasn't his ability that was questioned - it was his attitude and discipline. But Richie was a good soldier during his one year here, never having one of those mental breakdowns that have hurt him in the past. There weren't any stupid costly penalties. He was on his best behavior - and he played relatively well. But because he's not very good at pulling, his future may be at center. He's strong and physical and stout at the point of attack. He also looked very good in his limited time at center last year.

Joe Berger (3-E). I still don't get this decision. There's no way Berger is better than Jake Grove. And yet, it was Berger who beat out Grove for the starting center spot. Berger really struggled blocking those big interior defensive linemen when the Dolphins tried to run, though. And there's no question an upgrade is needed here. Berger is simply not a starting caliber center.

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John Jerry (3-D). The 2010 3rd round pick had his ups and downs during his rookie season. He started ten games at right guard but struggled with his run blocking. He only allowed one sack, though, and his pass protection was solid for a rookie. He just needs time to get stronger and improve his technique. I do think there is hope for Jerry, who could become a good player in this league with some work.

Nate Garner (3-E). Because of his age (26), Garner falls into the "E" category of tier 3. But the Dolphins are reportedly high on the fourth year player and so am I. He's as versatile as it gets along the line. He's shown steady improvement as he gains experience. I just think there's something about Garner that, to me, screams big potential. However he missed all of 2010 and will have to battle to prove he's still a player on the rise. I do believe, though, that Garner could be the answer at either left or right guard.

Cory Procter (4-F). The 28 year old six year vet ended the season on Miami's Injured Reserve. Before that, Procter saw action in ten games, including one start. But he really doesn't have any upside at this point and showed me nothing to think he's worth investing in.

Pat McQuistan (3-E). I like his versatility. But the soon to be 28 year old didn't really show enough to prove he should be nothing more than a backup at guard and tackle. McQuistan started eight games in 2010 for the Dolphins after coming over from Dallas in a trade before the season. But he quite often looked overmatched out there.

Ray Feinga (3-D). Ray is a project that this regime seems to have some hopes for. He broke his finger early on in camp but still ended up on Miami's practice squad to start the year. He was then suspended four games by the NFL for violating a league policy. Still, he was brought back to the active roster in December to provide depth to a beat up unit. Maybe he only stuck around in Miami because of how decimated the line was by injury. Or maybe Feinga has flashed in practiced. I have no idea. But he survived a rocky first year, which has to count for something.

Contract situations: There are quite a number of things to keep in mind here. Richie Incognito is an unrestricted free agent - as are Cory Procter and Pat McQuistan. Nate Garner is a restricted free agent. Joe Berger, meanwhile, has just one year left on his deal and is a candidate to be released once the Dolphins address the center position.

Outlook: This is a unit that might look very different come September (or whenever a new CBA is reached). Like us fans, the Dolphins know they have to get serious improvement out of their interior line. And only John Jerry, Joe Berger, and Ray Feinga are under contract right now. I expect Garner to be signed and I hope to see Incognito return and compete for the starting center job. But a serious upgrade at left or right guard is an obvious need, whether it's through the draft or free agency. Some improved depth is also something Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano must address.

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John Jerry

actually isnt a very good pass blocker. He only gave up one sack but he was beaten multiple times inside that led to quarterback hurries. Gaurds tend to give up fewer sacks than tackles for a few reasons. One is that in the congestion its easier to pass block as a gaurd because the defender has less attack option and 2 because the Quarterback can maintain his vision easier on the interior compared to outside pass rush. So grading gaurds in terms of sacks compared to a Tackle just isnt fair, and sacks given up as a whole isnt a great stat for a gaurd.

Personally i dont like John Jerry very much. He isnt a very good pass blocker, he tends to expose himself on his front foot which makes him susceptible to a variety of moves. he tends to drop his eyes which was extremely detrimental and i found he struggled blocking when he became disconnected from the rest of the line, and badly. i dont think he is very good when pulling, his vision is just ok and he tends to wander and not find defenders at the second level. In the run game he makes alot of the same mistakes, I see him get beat off-balance alot. i know he is young but fundamental things should improve throughout your rookie season and frankly i didnt think he got much better.

So essentially all im saying is I think John Jerry isnt as good as your giving him credit for, especially in pass-blocking.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 6:38 AM EST reply actions  

i think John Jerry

could devolop into a good player, he has the potential, but he isnt very good now. He does offer alot though as a backup, especially with having starting experience.

I dont understand how people want to move him to Tackle though, I think people overestimate his pass-blocking mightily.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

As for Joe Berger

I also think Joe Berger isnt the answer as our starting center moving forward. Tony Sparano said in camp that he chose Joe Berger over Jake grove because “Joe is simply better at the point of attack”. I still dont understand this. Jake Grove is a great player besides his injuries, which obviously hampered his play. Jake Grove was amazing at the point of attack, and the biggest knock on Joe Berger this season is his timidity in this area. Tony does have a tendency of twisting the truth and i simply just dont believe he honestly felt that way. The only explanation for the move to me is Jake Groves injury status and that he simply wasnt going to be an asset because of it.

Joe Berger is alot like John Jerry, he isnt as good in pass protection in my eyes as some people see, and he isnt very good at the point of attack. I think overall he is a little better than John Jerry fundamentally and at the second level, but they are pretty close. Both have alot to offer as backups.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 6:50 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry about all the comments LOL

im going to condense everything else i have to say into this comment. So anyhow i dont disagree with the grades you applied to Berger and Jerry just some of the things you said about them.
Richie Incognito: Richie has to be resigned. He is an absolutely vital piece of our interior and should be a top priority come FA. He really doesnt have any major flaws in his game and is an outstanding run blocker both physically and fundamentally. This season he showed some ring rust moving back to Center but ultimately the move was huge. Centers are hard to come by and they are expensive in this league. Filling that hole with Incognito is vital moving forward.
Pat McQuistan: McQuistan isnt very good. Hes raw for his age. He isnt very fast. He isnt very physical. He doesnt have good vision and cant find assignments at the second level. As many shortcomings as Jerry and Berger have they both are quality backups with upside and starting experience. McQuistan is a guy you dont really want on the field. Hes too unreliable and makes too many mental and technical errors throughout a game to have real value. I think we should let McQuistan go.
Nate Garner: Personally I think he is better than McQuistan. He has just as much versatility but is far more consistant. Coming off the injury he is though and missing a full season is a huge concern
As for Ray Fienga and Cory Proctor we havent seen much of them but they are both bottom of the roster players. Proctor played well in the Jets game in week 3 but suffered the strangest season ending injury ive ever seen. Ray Fienga has had legal trouble and no real play time. Both men are big question marks.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 7:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

OMG

dude, make a fan post….way too much for a thread.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no he’s good fanpost don’t need to be made of one opinions from the main article.

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by 54 on Feb 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

one of those comments, no, that is cool

but 4 in a row is a little out of control

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry

but you dont have to read it.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I know, jus sayin

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a Jungle in there!

Good Post again Matty. Makes sense to separate our Tackle position (solid) from G & C (a mess!)

I don’t think any of these players stood out in 2010, and TBH, I don’t see the noise about Incognito. He was okay IN COMPARISON to the Sh*t storm going on to his right, but if he really was a half decent run blocker, then between him and Jake Long, surely we should have been seeing a lot more productivity running left side?? Fact is we didn’t. Sure he kept his nose clean but he was no Justin Smiley. Add to that your point that he can’t pull. (BTW, Satele & Smiley were both excellent pullers, maybe their departure has a lot to do with the demise of our Wildcat productivity since 2008)

Incognito got ONE game at the Center position facing an opposing D Line MVP who was already in the playoffs (and so had nothing to gain from going all out) and even so we managed a paltry 44 yards on the ground in the entire game. Have we really got enough evidence to say he can play there. Also, if that was his college position, why has he never played there in the NFL? Curious?!

Jerry was not great and didn’t have the kind of impact that Thomas had in his first year – the only saving grace being he was a rookie and stuck between an Injured RT and a our sub par Center. You’d guess he has to be judged on potential for development, cos his production thus far is underwhelming. Especially bearing in mind where he was drafted! (Jerry Pick 73 vs Thomas, 195!)

Garner’s value is precisely as a quality plug & Play anywhere back up who you know you are going to need at some point. Starting, he doesn’t have the same value either at C or G.

So as it stands I’m not convinced we don’t need upgrading at ALL these positions. Surely Incognito is doing well to merit a 2.

BTW How good does the Satele trade look now that the Raiders have a decent rushing Offense, and Grove is sitting at home unlikely to see action again??

by Armchair QB on Feb 15, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

well i agree we have made some questionable

decisions on the O line from a personnel standpoint. The Donald Thomas cut was shocking. The Smiley trade was probably too bold and the McQuistan trade is a head scratcher but The Satele trade isnt one of them. Samson Satele isnt a starting caliber player in this league. He just has too many shortcomings and isnt a starter in Oakland (Jared Veldheer). Samson Satele doesnt offer much than Berger cant do and Joe Berger is actually better than Satele at alot of things. We got good value with a 4th round pick in that trade.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 9:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Still, if we trade for an injury prone guy and that guy has an in

injury, we cut him, even though we had no replacement. We wold have been better off staying with Satele and trying to draft a C.

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by PotM on Feb 15, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Or spend the money on a Jason Brown

who is a center that proved he could block 3-4 NT’s

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The kind of impact Donald Thomas had in his first year!?

What are you smoking? Donald Thomas was injured for the season IN GAME 1.

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair Comment

It’s pretty good stuff actually … bang to rights, I guess we’re really talking Thomas’ first game plus initial starting stretch…

by Armchair QB on Feb 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Lemme hit that

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

XD

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

STD?

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Double "D"?

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Double P?

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

bang to rights? I think you mean "dead to rights"....unless you are talking about legal prostitution in Nevada.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Some folks like to bang....

… ya know?

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yes Alpha, we hear you.

now will you please put that thing away

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You looked at my drum stick, didn't you?

.
LOL

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't that a bongo?

lol

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of a movie... LOL

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're just mokeying around.

:)

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Monkeying

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

on the second play LOL

but he must mean 09

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

His second year is really his first year starting.

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by PotM on Feb 15, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The Satele trade and the signing of Grove are some of the worst moves by this regime.

Nobody will discuss this. Grove was a disaster for the money spent: 10 games played paid over $14 million. Satele isn’t great but he is consistent and he stays on the field. Plus he makes only about $1 million / year.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

that was definitely a blunder on their part…but not the worst moves they have made. Wilford/Turner/Shrimp Patty/Torbor/Eric Green were by far worse than this.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

All of those guys combined didn't make as much as Grove

Plus, none of those guys had much of an impact either positive or negative. Grove had a huge negative impact. Not only did he cost a lot of money that could have been spent elsewhere, he also facilitated a trade of someone that was a decent player. Satele is a better player than Berger.

The signing of Grove is by far the worst decision this FO has made because it trickled down to other positions.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

no

we wasted a 2nd and 3rd on White/Turner….either of those picks could have been used on a center. Wilford got paid for 2 seasons of pay plus bonus for absolutely no play. Torbor made a ton of money for some special teams play. erci Green got a nice little signing bonus check for being in training camp for 2 weeks…

Here is the problem with your claim, Grove played at a probowl level until he got hurt. He wanted to play but the coaches wouldnt let him in an attempt to prevent further injury thinking ahead to next season.

You could say that cutting Grove was the worst move they made, but signing him was not.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Grove isn't even in the league anymore. If he was so good he would have been picked up by someone.

The money spent on Grove could have landed two or 3 WR’s. It could have landed a big time FS.

I don’t equate bad FA signings with failed draft picks. All organizations fail in the draft to some extent. Having a 2nd and 3rd round pick flame out isn’t that uncommon. But having a FA sign, getting paid well above what he should based on previous playing time and injury history, and then getting cut a year later sets back a team for a year or two. An I think we are seeing the results of this move even today.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

we will just agree to disagree on this one

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a problem. Like I said I don't equate blown draft picks with bad FA signings.

And I admit that I am biased because I was one of the few on the site that didn’t like the Grove signing when it happened. So I guess I have a little “I told you so”, in me. LOL

Good debate though.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

always up for a good verbal repartee

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

^^this

I was always confused whenever I heard people hot on Grove, but you said it: he’s not even playing in the league. That’s a pretty damning indictment of the guy!

by ehotonic on Feb 15, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think as highly of Satele...

as you do, and I don’t think Grove was a total disaster, but I do think we overpaid for him, given his injury history. (I think I said so at the time, but that was more than a week ago and I’m old.)

Between him and Smiley, we were taking on way too much IR risk.

by urbino on Feb 16, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

totally forgot about that POS

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Green was an insurance policy.

Wilford was a project, albeit a little expensive. Turner was a project WR that Sparano personally said he didn’t develop him. We tried to make Pat learn two NFL offense, while it is hard to learn one. Torbor was a backup.

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by PotM on Feb 15, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

talk about bad moves..... what about the 2nd rd pick used to get Satele

in the first place?

For Wes Welker …… THAT was the kind of brilliant moves being made before the Ireland/Parcells era.

look i am not really all that thrilled with the OL right now either. I mean if that is suppossed to be Sporano’s specialty? i think it speaks volumes at what he is NOT accomplishing as a HC.

by scrappy the wildcat on Feb 15, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The Satele pick was more of a default selection

We needed a Center desperately and were in position to take stud center Ryan Kalil but Carolina traded up 1 spot ahead of us and took him. I was pissed

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by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The blunder was cutting the injury prone (known) C when he had his first injury.

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by PotM on Feb 15, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

All of our interior O-Line needs upgraded.

The players we have starting are backup quality players for the championship teams we see year in and year out. If we have success at all in a football game, it starts with the O-line. We need to upgrade every interior line position to be competitive in the NFL. It is that simple. This is the solution to victory, but year in and year out we fail to make the appropriate upgrades and wonder why we are out of the playoffs.

All the Brandon Marshalls in the world cannot even begin to affect the outcome of a football game if the QB is on his butt. And all the Ronnie Brown’s in the world will not be able to make a single positive offensive play if the D-line wins the line of scrimmage and creates penetration.

by labrat3105 on Feb 15, 2011 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

4 Years into this regime

and our o line is still shady. without Long we are below average!

by ADRIELSDAD on Feb 15, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

We are below avg with Long,

thats how bad it is.

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by uncle finster on Feb 15, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ever the storm cloud....

LOL

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

True Finster....

and we are below average with Long – and we spent the 1st overall pick on Long…
Long is a great player and i am glad we have him, but…. NO Tackle is EVER worth a FRANCHISE QB…think of it this way – if we had taken Matty Ryan – and struggled to find a decent LT for last 2 years (unlikely) – this year we could easily get a good tackle at #15 overall – we will never get a great QB at 15…. The year we had the #1 overall pick – and passed on a QB – these chances just don’t come around often…(you at least should have traded down if you didint like ryan at #1) Its worse this year – but I would take Blaine Gabbert If I was at #1 and needed a QB – trading down a few slots first if possible…
BUT YOU JUST DON’T PASS ON A QB WHEN YOU ARE IN THE SHAPE MIAMI IS…we are now past a F n g DECADE needig a QB….to me nothing else matters until we get a QB…..nothing.

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by 62Lou on Feb 15, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Allot of people think we have one

when he’s behind a good line!

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

With no #2 pick it's going to be tough.

I’d like to get Wisniewski for our center, but he probably won’t be there…plus that would put Richie back at guard.
If he is a better center, I would like to trade down a little and pick up Dan Watkins for our guard. I think he’s the next Mankins.
Then pick up Rob Housler for TE, but thats another article.

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

By moving down we may even be able

to pick up O’Dowd for C, as the second pick, AND Housler for the third. That would be a coup for our line!

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

O'Dowd is terrible

He got abused by everybody in the Senior Bowl practices

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Your opinion

Almost everyone has him rated #2 under Wisniewski.
Wasn’t Pat White MVP at the Seniot bowl?

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Dolphins stay at #15...

… it’s Mark Ingram. These Dolphins aren’t going anywere without a RB. And Ronnie and Ricky are toast this off season…

Defenitely need to keep Richie!

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

no way do they take a RB at 15

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

by PhinsTifosi on Feb 15, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

It makes no sense......

To draft a RB when your OL is as bad as ours….. I consider drafting a RB with our first pick a total waste…. If you are NOT getting a QB then you might as well trade down and get OL with our first or maybe a speedy WR like Titus Young and then draft an OL with our 2nd pick…. I feel we can get decent RB´s through FA… (Deangelo Williams bandwagon I am on!!!)

by Dolfan_PTY on Feb 15, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Before you can say

Watkins [who squats 570] pulling next to Richie at C, and getting blocks from his TE Housler [6-6 250]…. Brown is 25 yards downfield.

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

you say that as though squatting 570lbs is good

for someone that weighs as much as he does, that is not very good.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm no bodybuilder...

…but hey, 570lbs = 1 DL + 1 LB!

I excel in the addition of players’ weight.

by BigBenky on Feb 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I mean I squat about 120lbs less than that, but I only weight about 180.

Barry Sanders used to squat over 750lbs

Guys on my highschool football team were squatting over 500lbs

Powerlifters squat over 900-1000 lbs

But hey, who am I to decide how strong a OL should be….

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That sum strong spincter muscles there...

… trying not to shit your pants….

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

slowly backs away realizing that Alpha is checking out other guys glutes

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You'll look behind you from now on before you squat...

Wait, what?!!

LOL!!!

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

takes note

but it is a good thing I have my own gym at home ; )

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's never stopped him before...

'Phins phor Liphe!

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

begins closing and shutting blinds

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good call.

Lock your doors too!

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

(bastards)

LOL!

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

begins pondering why never invested in bomb shelter/basement/panic room

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

haha rec

Alpha is a stalker

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Matty, did you really just say hot mess?

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Feb 15, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Somebody's been watching Bravo

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

lets just say I've only heard that phrase from the supremely fabulous

my gf watches these fashion design shows religiously

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I am going to keep saying this until it sinks in: The Phins OL is good enough, the skill position players aren't.

The Phins OL isn’t perfect. It is average, just like the vast majority of the league. The 2 OL’s that just played in the Super Bowl are on par with the Phins OL and in most instances worse. But they had superior talent at all the skill position players with the exception of Marshall.

Let’s also recap. Grove is so good that he wasn’t picked up by another team after he was cut from the Phins. Smiley was signed by the Jags and played 5 games. Thomas was a backup for the great OL in Detroit. By letting these three players go, what exactly did the Phins OL miss? A grand total of 5 games played in ’10.

OL is so far down on the list of problems with this team. QB, RB, TE, 2 WR’s are all so much more important needs. If the Phins had more speed on offense, how much better would the OL seem to be? If the Phins had a game breaker at RB, how much better would the OL seem to be? If the Phins had a speedy WR that could actually occupy a Safety deep, how much better would the OL seem to be? If the Phins had a QB that could make defenses fear the passing game, how much better would the OL seem to be? Solve those things and the OL becomes better overnight with no new players.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Smiley

wasnt signed by the jags…he was traded to them.

You see, the problem with your theory about a game breaker at RB is that he must first have a hole to run through. R & R had to pound and bruise their way just to get what they did….a speed back would have done far worse running behind guys like Berger/McQuistan/Proctor. No hole = no gain with a speed back.

TE, you actually list TE as a problem? Fasano is no superstar, but he is definitely above average. He blocks well and just had a breakout year in receiving. They could use someone opposite him for some 2 TE sets, but no way is that a bigger priority than OL.

2 WR’s? Really? I understand needing 1 speed guy, but where would Bess and Hartline go then if you got 2 WR’s? You cant run 5 WR sets all day long with a crappy OL.

The jury is still out on QB…but I would like to see one drafted high enough that they actually have some talent (Newton, Gabbert, Locker, etc). No more 2nd round grade QB’s, they just dont work out for Miami.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Good RB's create their own running lanes.

Even guys like Johnson, Peterson, and Charles have the majority of thier runs of 2 yds or less. But when they get the opportunity to break a long run, they do. With our RB’s a long run is 10 yards where those guys would have went 25+ yards.

I would be willing to bet that the Phins running game in ’10 with the same OL would have been significantly better with a better RB.

TE is a huge problem for the Phins. Fasano is a blocking TE that does very little in the passing game. The Phins need a pass catching TE like the Jets and Pats (they have 2) have.

Yes the Phins need 2 WR’s. Both with speed. Bess is the slot guy who is a third WR at best. The #2 needs to be able to stretch the field. The #4 needs to stretch the field so Marshall and Bess can work underneath. Hartline is a 5th WR on a good WR corp. Look at the Super Bowl teams again and tell me where Hartline would have fit in with either team? #5 at best.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and no.

Good RB’s can create some of their own lanes….and might I mention that your examples are the elite backs of the league. Anyone can make a positive point using 3 elite backs…those arent good backs, they are elite. But, what do those three RB’s have in common? Probowl Centers and Guards in front of them. Coincidence? Maybe, but I think not.

TE is not a huge problem. Fasano ranked #19 in total yards (11th in the AFC), 6th in the NFL in average yards per reception (4th in AFC), and tied for 15th in NFL for touchdowns. If you want him to be more productive then remove that killer slot guy named Bess who works the same zone in the receiving field as he does, and get a QB who will throw to him. Statistically he did better than Greg Olsen, Heath Miller, Brent Celek, Owen Daniels, Jeremy Shockey, Tony Scheffler, Bo Scaife, etc. Just to compare Gronkowski has a killer slot player next to him in Welker…and all their stats are similar except for TD’s…..and that is because he has Brady (the single season all time TD record holder) throwing it to him.

As for Hartline, he is the James Jones and Hines Ward of the two superbowl teams. Those guys are very similar to Hartline in size, stature, speed, play, etc. Are those guys #5’s on their teams? Is he well suited in Miami as a #2, probably not, but to say he is a 5th is just hysterical. Yes, Miami needs 1 speed WR, but not 2…there isnt room on the field for both of them.

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats why, IMO, we should try for Rob Housler with our 3rd pick.

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There are other RB's, non elite RB's, that would make the Phins running game better.

I just grabbed those names to make a point.

All of those TE’s that you list as statistically better than Fasano are much better players than he is, its just that the stats are lower. Fasano would be the last player taken in that group.

Hartline is just a guy at WR. He isn’t fast, doesn’t have great hands, doesn’t run routes well, he is a gutsy competitor. There are dozens of guys just like him in the league. The vast majority of those guys are 4th or 5th WR’s. If Hartline is higher than that on the depth chart that means your WR’s suck.

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by ct1361 on Feb 15, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Contentious...

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Conscience

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Concise

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No-can-poop

Hard-to-poop

Poop-no-come

Blocked-hole…. wait, what?

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Even a connon has a chamber!

wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!

by wild zion beaver on Feb 15, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So we have 7 Oline players? Aren’t we suppose to have 9-10 on the 53?

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Feb 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

never mind this is interior.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Feb 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL...

LOL…

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"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It should be like this. We only have 3 starters on the whole line??? aren’t we suppose to have 5?

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Feb 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO!

"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

How many more years is Long under contract?

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by wild zion beaver on Feb 15, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Forever

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Retirment city in other-word's!

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by wild zion beaver on Feb 16, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

somthing screams at me

I think its sayin get moffit and/or pouncey.. put one at right gaurd.. gardner/the other gaurd/jerry at right tackle and move carey at left gaurd.. get incognito back and put him at center and we would have a offensive line that would keep henne safe until marshall can do somthing with the new system

by west coast phinfan on Feb 15, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

3 Guards?

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean Garner?

Andrew Gardener was cut awile ago and was a Tackle.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

people need to stop

with the move Carey to gaurd and push Jerry to Tackle stuff.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I promise you John Jerry

isnt nearly as good in pass protection as some seem to believe. He would be completely exposed out there at Tackle. He doesnt have the tool set to play Tackle at this level. At least at this point in his carreer.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

why I gave up on Sparano...

It aint the lousy offense, the poor clock management, the regressing QB play, or even the crappy special teams— IT is THe Piss-poor job he did with our O-LINE!

When you are a no-name O line coach and you get an opportunity to coach one of the premeire franchises in the NFL, the very least you should do is do a great job with your O line!
Sparano allowed our teams biggest strength to become prehaps our biggest weakness. This is the main reason I do not think he should have been brought back. I would have given Mike Nolan the job after our coaching search debacle.

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by MDPHINFan on Feb 15, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

Sparano doesn't make the calls on the business side of things.

That’s Ireland. I guarantee you Grove was cut because of his big contract. Sparano has a clause in his contract now where he gets input into the business moves, which says to me that he had no say on the OLine debacle of this offseason. Now, playing musical chairs with the OLine during the offseason can be laid at his feet, but he was likely trying to find the best fit for the inferior talent he was given to work with.

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Tony is a strong willed man

I find it really hard to believe especially with the amount of tinkering done at the TE and Offensive Line posistions that Sparano doesnt have a huge say in FO decisions.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, position is important...

… or something may go wrong…

lol

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"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

so says Alpha's mom.

WAIT?!

WHAT?!

LOL

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by Dragon27az on Feb 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, the mama jokes....

… Your mama squats more than you do….

That’s not right… Lord forgive, me and be with the pigmies…..

"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If Tony was so strong-willed,

why did he not have the balls to fire Henning? I don’t buy it. He’s a nice guy.

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Tony thought and still thinks

that Dan Henning is a great coach and has done alot for us in his three year tenure. No matter what anyone said about him Tony would defend him fire. Tony is a passionate, devoted and sometimes even ill tempered coach, I cant believe anyone sees that differently.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ill tempered?

At whom has he ever been ill tempered?

Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?

by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

trust me during games he coaches

with fire and passion, but at the same time he will remain completely devoted to his team. Those are really good qualities in a coach.

2008 AFC EAST Champions.

by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell does that mean

“trust me during games he coaches with fire and passion, but at the same time he will remain completely devoted to his team.”?

My Q was..“At whom has he ever been ill tempered?”

Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?

by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

His cock when it doesn't rise?

What are we talking about?

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by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Still worked up with all that 'squat' talk, I see.

lol

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Squat & gobble...

Wait…. that’s wrong.

LOL!!!

"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You

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Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?

by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

wth??

You’ve doomed the pygmies with that one!

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

ok fine have it your way, i will backtrack and say

that ill tempered probably wasnt the correct phrase. It sounds too much like Nick Saban, but to say that Tony hasnt lashed out our players before is absurd.
Chad Henne in the Raiders game. Chad completes a ball to Bess on a pump on the drag and an out. (on Nnamdi btw) Bess takes the ball down to the 30ish yard line of Oakland about 2.20ish on the clock in the first half. We hurry to the line, Chad elects not to take a timeout, or spike, and lines up in the gun. Chad then adjusts his protection and motions Bess inside all the while the clock runs and we dont get the snap off.

As Chad walks to the Sideline Tony screams “Come on Chad”.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Tony gets heckled on occasion by fans

He is strongwilled and passionate, thats his style, you cant honestly see otherwise.

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...he is passionate.

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

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by civwarbuff on Feb 15, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That is pretty rough!

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is all conjecture.

And if Tony truly thought Henning was good for the team, that’s an even bigger indictment on Sparano than him being too nice.

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by joel311 on Feb 15, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with him being too nice.

I remember a good run from Csonka who was knocked out of bounds, right in front of Shula. Just as Shula says “Nice run”, a ref threw a flag against Csonk.
Shula turned and yelled in Csonka’s face…“WHY THE F@#$ DID YOU DO THAT?”
It’s was funny, but IMO we need some of that! [Especially with dropped interceptions]

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by Flip-her on Feb 15, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Grove was cut because he was always injured

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Feb 15, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

God the f*cking offseason is terrible

a 65-comment breakdown of the interior OL of the Dolphins. Maybe 18 games isn’t such a bad idea.

MATTEAU!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by stonecoldcory on Feb 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO

"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

aCute!

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by wild zion beaver on Feb 15, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Atlanta has 2 OL entering FA this offseason

While they will look to resign their anchorman in Clabo, and interior lineman named Harvey Dahl who has the attitude of a monster and plays likes a beast is good for the taking. Run game upgraded instantly. Also Carl Nicks(NO) and Davin Joseph(TB) are worth looking at for IL.

Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW

by fin4three5yrs on Feb 16, 2011 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

I'm with you on Nate Garner, Matty!

He is the size of Jake Long and I believe he’s a really talented player. I think he could end up replacing Vernon Carey as a franchise RT in a couple of years… but for now, he’s definitely the answer at LG!

However, if for some reason the new CBA outlaws franchise tags (like the NFLPA desperately wants) I could see the Dolphins grabbing Logan Mankins. If that happens, Garner could swing to RG!

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 16, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Mike Pouncey anyone?

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by Patssuck456 on Feb 16, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

A great fit for the Dolphins.

If he falls to the Dolphins in the late first round it would be ideal. Then the Dolphins line would be (left to right) Long, Garner, Incognito, Pouncey, Carey. Pretty damn good!

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by vincemoss86 on Feb 16, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Pouncey is a LG

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by PotM on Feb 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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