State of the Miami Dolphins Roster: Offensive Tackles
This post is part of a series of posts that will break down and evaluate the Miami Dolphins position by position. If you haven't read up on how players are being classified (the number and letter that follow each player's name), you can read this post explaining the evaluation system. You can also read the previous posts in this series by clicking here.
As we progress through our evaluation of the entire Dolphins roster, I thought it would be a good idea to divide up the offensive line into two different positions - tackles and interior line. Some guys do cross over and can play multiple spots along the line. So I tried to do the best I could at placing each player in each group.
Let's get to the grading...
Jake Long (1-A). People will forever second guess the front office's decision to pass on Matt Ryan in favor of Long. Regardless of how you feel about taking a LT over a QB, the fact is the Dolphins did get a dominant left tackle. Long is as good as it gets in this league. There is no player in the entire NFL better than Long at what he does. If his career progresses as it has through his first three seasons, he'll be on his way to Canton when all is said and done.
Vernon Carey (2-B). Big Vern will be 30 years old this summer and is coming off of a season that ended with the big right tackle on Injured Reserve. But Carey has been as reliable and durable as they come in his career, making 87 consecutive starts dating back to his rookie season (and playing through pain more often than we all knew) before getting placed on IR. He should probably lose a few pounds. But he's still got plenty left in the tank, though talk of a move inside to guard could grow louder as the offseason progresses.
Lydon Murtha (3-D). Since being signed off of the Lions practice squad in 2009, Murtha has seen action in ten games, including four starts last year. In his limited action, I have noticed improvement in his play. I don't know much about developing offensive line talent. But I know that Murtha has shown enough to warrant a fair shake as the team's primary backup tackle.
Matt Kopa (4-F). Graduating from Stanford, Kopa was signed as an undrafted free agent by the 49ers and signed off of the Niners practice squad by the Dolphins in November. He was only active in one game but didn't see action.
Allen Barbre (4-F). Barbre is a little old for a developmental prospect. He'll be 27 in June and is a four year veteran who was selected by the Packers in the fourth round of 2007. He appeared in 25 games in GB, including seven starts in 2009. He then appeared in three games with Seattle last year before being cut. The Dolphins signed him for the final week of the season, but was inactive for the finale.
James Marten (4-F). Marten signed a reserve/future contract with the Dolphins in January after finishing the season on Miami's practice squad. The Boston College grad, though, will be 27 in April and, like Barbre, is probably getting too old to be considered a project.
Contract situations: The only notable expiring contract belongs to Lydon Murtha. But Murtha will be an exclusive rights free agent, meaning he'll be back in Miami assuming the Dolphins want him to return.
Outlook: The Dolphins appear set at the tackle position. They could look to bring in competition for the role of primary backup. They also could take a developmental prospect late in the draft. But the team has far bigger needs than at OT.
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First.
I really don’t understand how Carey is a B, but Murtha is a D. Carey had trouble all season with speed rushers, but was solid run blocking. Murtha made some mistakes in pass protection but otherwise did fairly well, but he wasn’t that good of a run blocker. I’d give both of them a C, as Murtha is taking strides over last season and Carey is in a freefall of performance.
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That's not how the grading system works.
Click the link in the opening paragraph for information on the system.
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you gotta look at how this system works
not like grading like you get in school.
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Is Carey worth his price?
Not like it will be easy to find starting RT, but Carey is a serious liability in pass protection
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He should move to Guard...
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I agree with both of the above comments. Vernon Carey is a liability on the line. His vision is aweful, hes overweight, he has lost a signifigant amount of speed and his decision making and executing assignments has gotton shakier. I have a feeling Vernon Carey isnt watching the amount of tape he once was and isnt training as hard as he used to from conditioning and fundamenatal standpoint. Lydon Murtha got better every week last season which shows commitment and intelligence. Vernon Carey is still a superior player by a small margin but takikng into acount their contractual amouts [which wont get to much bigger for a backup in Murtha who is a ERFA] we are getting more value out of Murtha. With Careys current contract noone will trade for him as well
by civwarbuff on Feb 10, 2011 7:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think he has some trade value
A lot of people still consider him on of the better RT in the game, we watch and scrutinize the Phins a lot more than others do. I think we could get in the neighbourhood of a 3rd round pick. The problem is the tackle position is the most stable of our OL. If we manage to trade down into the 20’s I wouldn’t mind us drafting someone like Gabe Carimi or Anthony Castonzo and move VC to RG.
If they did that and resigned Incognito to play center and signed Mankins (still think it is unlikely we get him) we would have one nasty OL. It would also give Jerry a couple of years to develop while VC plays out his contract.
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LONG IS A BEAST
but we should have drafted Matty Ice! Long will be retired and inducted in canton, and we will still be looking for a signal caller!
With no protection,
Matt Ryan’s development, as well as confidence to play at the pro level, may well have been stunted and we could still be looking for that elite QB, but with an inferior Left Tackle. Long was the correct pick.
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i agree
people need to remember that the Falcons also had the 20th pick in 2008 where they made the investment in Sam Baker to protect Matt Ryan which was as important as the pick itself. If Baker didnt pan out they would have still had to spend a first round pick in 2009 on a LT. they invested in Ryan not only because they had faith in his abilities but also because they felt as though a Tackle they want and need will be available at 20.
by civwarbuff on Feb 10, 2011 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why is it assumed
That had we drafted Ryan we would have then gone with like a bottom five LT to protect him? Perhaps we would have made a trade, picked up a different LT. Who knows, but in that situation it should have been QB first LT second…Exactly what the Falcons did. If the Falcons couldn’t have had Baker, which was no guarantee anyways, they still would have taken Ryan because QB is the most important position. It is easier to find a good LT then it is to find a Matt Ryan quality QB.
I like Long, I am glad he is a Dolphin, but Ryan should have been the pick.
by LordBishop34 on Feb 10, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Carey was our LT at the time.
A LT tat has problems blocking speed rushers is a problem, no matter the QB.
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Atlanta had 2 first rounders to play with.
They were in an entirely different situation.
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And they had a solid foundationf or a team otherwise,
we had NUMEROUS holes that made it quite stupid to try and trade back into the first.
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What happened to Nate Garner???
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Considering
How abysmal our interior line was, Garner will surely play inside, hence my guess why Matty doesn’t have him here
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He is a T though, he was drafted as a T,
I think he should be in the T category, just sayin.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
he's being listed in the guard category because that's where he's going to be competing this summer.
Omar Kelly already reported he’s heard from within that the Dolphins think Garner could be a long-term solution at right guard. Therefore he’s getting grouped in with the guards.
The Jerry should be listed as T?
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Then*
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Jerry moves to LG with Incognito at C?
Actually, I think that would be a pretty solid line provided that everybody is healthy.
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He certainly hasn't shown himself to be mobile enough to be a LG,
and he wasn’t all that good as a RG last year, so we just move him to a more difficult position and hope he succeeds, doesn’t sound promising.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
ok, so plug garner in LG
leave Jerry at RG
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How about get Pouncey
and put Garner at RG? Or draft another LG. There is no reason we should be putting a sub-par performer in as a starter.
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he was a rookie
really hard to judge him in just 1 season.
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It was a question.
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by uncle finster on Feb 11, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
or Donald Thomas?
Maybe because i’m from CT, but what happened to that guy? He’s a young guy that was a great run blocker – i’d take him over mcquistan any day…
oops
just realized this was an OT article – not an O-Line article
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I would too,
but our FO thought different.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Thomas looked great his rookie year
but for some reason he just wasnt the same after that foot injury. I hoped he would have gotten back to form but he never did. I remember reading that he had countless tryouts with teams but never got an offer until the Lions.
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He was injured on the first play of his rookie season,
so I don’t think we can make any judgements about that.
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by uncle finster on Feb 10, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I watched all the preseason games
I know, I know, it was just preseason..but he was going up against starters and was doing very well from what I saw.
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yeah, guess we gotta trust the coaches on this one
but was really surprised when he was cut. We kept hearing how surprisingly strong he was, but that his footwork needed some polishing. That sounds like upside to me, but again, i wasn’t there so…..
Just saying:
09 with Grove, Thomas and Smiley (with healthy RBs) = #1 rushing attack
10 with Incognito, Berger, and Jerry (with healthy RBs) = #22 rushing attack.
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No doubt
except I dont think Incognito was the problem. Berger is a horrid starter, McQuistan is not a starter, and Jerry was a rookie. But Grove and Smiley had injury issues….so I guess organization values sub-par players who dont get hurt more than probowl level players with injury concerns.
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Smiley played through his injuries,
and still played better than Jerry/McQuistan. I realize he was left guard, but still that just shows how good of a player he was.
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I hated it when they traded him
especially for that low of a pick
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I think Sparano likes size over ability, which is why he got rid of
Thomas. Thomas was the smallest, but the strongest pound for pound. This philosophy works for most of the positions, size over quickness, but not for the left side of the line.
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True but I think all his GS were at OG
On the "get Jake Locker in the draft no matter what it takes" bandwagon
It will be good to fine one other T this year. We lose Cary or Long and we are in trouble. Murtha did show improvement but having competition for him will is good. It will be hard to do with other pressing needs. But we should start looking for Carey’s replacement.
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Agreed.
I think Carey has 2 or less years left at RT. I’ve heard some pretty good RT are projecting into the late 1st round, which is where we would be if we traded down to recoup a 2nd rounder.
We could have a BEAST of an OL in a hurry if we signed a top FA (i.e. Mankins) or drafted a stud rookie.
LT – Long LT – Long
LG – Mankins LG – Jerry (Garner)
C – Incognito OR C – Incognito
RG – Jerry (Garner) RG – Carey
RT – Carey RT – Stud Rookie
…either way, HUGE improvement to our OL.
…which should translate to better running game, more time to pass, more TDs, better offense.
…All it will take is 1 impact / top-tier upgrade for the OL!
Marino had Webb
So Gabbert/Newton/Locker/etc need Long.
Matt Ryan wouldnt be so great throwing off his backside every play….reference David Carr. A great prospect can become ruined without protection.
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NOPE!
MINE!
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