PotM's Offseason Wishlist
There are essentially three stages to any offseason:
1) Re-signing current players
2) Signing Free Agents
3) Drafting and Re-signing Rookies.
Any team that wishes to be successful must use a mixture of these stages otherwise they will not be able to keep up with all of the holes that are created because of various reasons ranging from retirement, aging, losing a FA and drafting busts.
1. Re-signing
Paul Soliai - Nose Tackle - 6' 4" - 355 lbs. - 28 years old
We need to give this man a 4 to 5 year contract worth between $45-55 million. This needs to be done quickly so we can focus on adding talent to our team. This is almost as much as he is getting paid this season, so he won't be getting a pay raise, but instead insurance that he will be paid.
Kendall Langford - Defensive End / Tackle - 6' 6" - 295 lbs. - 25 years old
Langford is comming off of a down year where he only recorded half as many tackles as in previous year and recorded absolutely zero sacks. Still, the man brings good depth to a good, young DL. We should sign him to a 3 year $7 million contract.
2. Free Agency
Jim Leonhard - Strong Safety - 5' 8" - 188 lbs. - 29 years old
Leonhard is a good, but not great safety. He is much better in coverage than Bell, though. I think the Jets Defense does not lend itself to having productive Safeties, and as such I think he will be much more productive here. He will provide excellent veteran competition for Jones as he transitions to the SS spot. I would sign him to a 4 year $16 million dollar contract, which is double what he makes now. Leonhard also returns Punts.
Jake Scott - Offensive Guard - 6' 5" - 295 lbs. - 30 years old
Scott will fill the need for a pulling Guard and will not cost an arm and a leg to get. We should be able to sign him to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract.
Pierre Garcon - Wide Receiver - 6' 0" - 210 lbs. - 25 years old
With the departure of Marshall, we need a WR to replace him. Garcon will be a fine addition as Miami tries to continue to have a fine WR stable. Garcon has big play ability and has played well this season if you consider that Peyton Manning is out with an injury. Garcon has improved each season he has been in the league and will be looking for a nicely sized contract. We should sign him to a 5 year $25-30 million contract with $12-13 million guaranteed.
3. The Draft
Trade Alert! The Browns and Dolphins swap 1st Round Picks and the Browns receive Brandon Marshall in compensation. This move makes sense because the Browns have a young QB who has no one to throw to. Adding Marshall will allow the Browns to focus on other needs and acquire a #1 WR.
With the 5th overall pick, the Dolphins select Robert Griffin III, QB out of Baylor!
Reason: Griffin has all of the tools to be a successful QB. He possesses amazing accuracy along with a strong arm. This prospect has a very high ceiling and I think is just what we need in a rookie QB. Of note is that he can escape the pocket due to his tremendous athletic ability.
With the 40th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Dolphins select Vinny Curry, Rush Linebacker out of Marshall.
Vince Curry a.k.a. "Vinny" is a monster along the defensive front. He uses his athletic ability and explosiveness to disrupt run plays and get to the QB. #99 has all of the skills to bring your memories of JT to life. Wake will have to move to the strongside in order to ease Vinny's transition to a 34 D. Wake will not hve much problem doing this as he plays SOLB quite well. Having sack masters on both sides of a QB allows the DC to get creative with blitzing, especially with our athletic ILBs. The only way to stop a high-powered Offense like the Pat's is to get to the QB and create turnovers. This will allow us to get in the QB's face more often and will create the situation for balls to be forced into good coverage. As long as Davis and Smith can catch the balls thrown at them, our D will be in much better shape.
With the 72nd pick of the draft the Dolphins select Ryan Swope, Wide Receiver out of Texas A&M
Swope emerged as Ryan Tannehill's go to guy this season and for good reason.Swope is a former HS RB that has transitioned well to the WR position. As would be suspected, Swope has excellent explosiveness in the open field and is known for his yards after the catch. Swope is quick in and out of his breaks and has good hands. He also has legit deep speed, making him a well rounded WR that can hurt Ds in different ways.
With the 104th pick of the 2012 draft the Dolphins select Cordarro Law, Rush Linebacker out of Southern Miss
This prospect had a very productive senior year and is the best player available. He has tremendous upside and could be a steal in the 4th. He would also provide depth as a pass rusher, because we have no one behind Curry and Wake. Law could prove to be Wake's replacement or could just provide good depth at the outside linebacker position.
Trade Alert! Dolphins trade Bell and a 7th rounder to trade back into the 5th.
In the 5th round of the 2012 Draft,the Dolphins select Josh Oglesby, Offensive Tackle out of Wisconsin
Oglesby looks to provide solid depth at the Offensive Tackle position. Oglesby has played very well his senior season and has had numerous great games against his toughest competition. This guy is a very good project player that can provide depth from day one.
Important Position Battles
Right Tackle: John Jerry vs. Lyndon Murtha vs. Josh Oglesby
I have faith that whoever wins this battle will be more than adequately fill the Right Tackle spot for the next 10 years. I threw in Oglesby not because I think he will win this battle, but because he will come in as a RT.
Free Safety: Chris Clemons vs. Reshad Jones
The second year in a row that these two will go head to head for this position.
Strong Safety: Jim Leonhard vs. Reshad Jones
Leonhard is an above average Strong Safety himself, so if Jones wins this battle he will be very good.
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I respectfully disagree with some of these
Marshall provides more openings in our offense simply by being on the film. The rolled coverage to him opens our running game and our other receivers. We keep him.
We also HAVE to adress right tackle in a better way
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I see more value in just trading Marshall vs. having to give up
multiple draft picks to get Robert Griffin III.
Marshall drops way too many balls and at crucial moments.
I think that a true alpha #1 is a luxury. If you look at the other successful teams, they don’t all have a #1 WR. The Pats have two great TEs, Branch and Welker. The Packers have Finley, Jennings (who isn’t a true alpha WR), and a host of other WRs. The Saints have Colston, Graham and three other WRs. Asyou can see none of these teams have a true alpha number one WR like Marshall, CJ, or Larry Fitz; but have a very good WR, elite TEs and many receiving options.
I would have drafted a TE, but the this is a weak class and maybe next years will be better. Hopefully Clay becomess a bigger part of the In the mean time we have Garcon, Hartline, Bess, Gates, Swope, and either Moore or Wallace. I count at least 4 options at WR and with Clay maturing, it will be interesting to see if Clay improvement is enough to make us forget about draft a TE next season. With Clay and Fasano in the mix; Griffin should have enough targets to throw to.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Giving up draft picks??
Really? You would rather trade Marshall and let Ireland try to draft a #1 WR? Patrick Turner? What are the chances that you find a player that is the mismatch that Brandon Marshall is? He didn’t even have a good season this year and put up over 1000 yards receiving. When was the last time the Dolphins had both a 1000 yard receiver and 1000 rusher in the same season? Let me help you out—NEVER. Never in the entire history of the Dolphins franchise have we had both a 1000 yard rusher and a 1000 yard receiver. And you want to trade 1/2 of the combo away in the hopes that Jeff Ireland will be able to get the most out of the picks we trade? Nonsense. Give me the proven commodity at WR.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 30, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think Garcon is perfectly capable of being a very good WR given the opportunity.
He is close to being a 1000 yard receiver with who throwing him the football?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
But Brandon Marshall did have 1100 yards receiving ...
And Peyton Manning was not throwing him the ball either… Matt Moore… not like he is that much better than the Colts backup.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 30, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Having an elite WR is a luxury on offense, nice but not necessary.
Having a franchise QB and keystone pass rusher is not, they are completely mandatory. Wake is slowing down and we need to replace him now, not later, now. Without a damn good pass rusher, I do not care how good your offense is, you will lose 45-35 (like when Marino lost to the Bills all those years ago).
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
i like give my rec!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 31, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
You may not like Matt Moore as our starter
But he’s miles better than the dregs Indy rolled out this year. Matt Moore could start for half the team’s in the NFL if not more, although he hasnt shown himself to be elite.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
they put a labble on Jason his second year if my memmery serves me corect!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 31, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
what label? a label on me???
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 5, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong Jyson!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thats just disrespectful
I doubt Moore is our Franchise QB but to say hes not much better than Curtis Painter? C’mon now Painter was just plain awful.
Ted Ginn. That is all
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I think Garcon would be the greatest thing we could do at WR
but NEXT to Marshall, not in his place.
Marshall, Garcon, and Bess would be absolutely incredible for a new QB and it could make up for the fact that we dont even need a stud at TE; that group and Fasano would be enough IMO
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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Garcon is a great #2
playing next to Reggie Wayne. There is no reason to force him to be a #1.
Ted Ginn. That is all
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I think Colston is as good as BM
Now don’t get me wrong I love me some BM,but Colston is a breast also. They have identical bodies both 6-4 with Brandon being 5 pounds heavier at 230. He has great leaping ability and can catch the ball being double covered. He is 2 yards from having his 5 1000+ yards season in 6 years(the same as Marshall). Colstons only season not producing 1000 yards was his 3rd year when he played only 11 games due to injury. He still caught 47 passes for 760 yards a 16.2 avg. and 5 TD’s.
Both players were drafted in 06(Marshall in the 4th and Colston in the 7th). Lets compare stats:
GP- REC- YARDS- YPG- APC- YAC- TD
BM- 90- 489- 6197- 68.9- 12.7- 4.5- 34
MC- 85- 442- 6095- 71.7- 13.8- 4.4- 46
Colston has 12 more TD’s in 5 less games. For some odd reason Coston doesn’t get accolades he deserves.
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by NawlinsPhinFan on Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Colston is a breast? Boy is Alpha going to be excited.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 31, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
HaHaHa my badLOL
A BEAST
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by NawlinsPhinFan on Dec 31, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I know but its still a funny typo.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 31, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
But, isn't constantly getting double teamed like Marshall.
Teams can’t double Colston without the other N.O. WRs ripping the D apart. Marshall also doesn’t have an All-Pro QB throwing to him either.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
I was only trying to give Colston some credit
Have you seen him play. He makes some spectacular catches. As you can see I’m from New Orleans so I get to see him every week. I have the NFL ticket so also watch my Fins every Sunday. If Gates can get his act together we’ll have a WR corps to rival the Aints. We also need an elite TE. Don’t get me wrong I like Fasono, but we don’t have anything behind him. The 2 backups have 1 career reception between the 2 of them.
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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 1, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think Clay will be a much better receiver next year.
Not what we need, but an explosive #2 TE for that great TE.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
agreed
obviously love with the ballsy move to grab RG3 but not crazy about trading Marshall and drafting a WR so high, tackle and tight end would be bigger needs.
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Theres always next year to find a great WR
I’m on board with this plan because we can start Jerry at RT and find out if he can handle it, and in the 2013 draft, we can target a star WR because we don’t have a thousand needs..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 31, 2011 11:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Couple problems
1. Don’t think we can resign Langford for a 3 year 7 million contract. Tony McDaniel, a backup at DE, signed a 2 year 6 million. Stephen Bowen, a 3-4 DE from Dallas last offseason, signed a 5 year 25 million contract with the Redskins. Expect Langford to get money in that range somewhere.
2. I like the RGIII pick and understand trading Marshall in order to acquire him. But Garcon is a very good number 2 target, not number 1. Since Marshall is getting paid 10 million a year and it is a strong WR class, I think we can get Garcon and someone like Reggie Wayne for about $13 million total a year and we would vastly improve the position.
3. Jim Leonhard isn’t a great idea. He is coming off of two straight seasons where he has had two straight season ending injuries. He will probably lose a step and I think we should go after a Michael Griffin gamechanger, which we have sorely been lacking back there and is entering his prime at 26.
But well-thought out post and I would be fine with most of this happening, especially you trading up for a QB.
3.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
I picked Leonhard because I think Jones is the future at the SS spot, but isn't polished enough to take over.
Langford is coming off a career worst season and isn’t showing the upside McDaniels did. Langford was ineffective in a contract year and I think it will cost him deeply. Also, as you point out we have a younger DE behind him that is showing upside. We would have to at least draft a DE with the 6th rounder I didn’t include in the post, if we can’t get Langford on the cheap.
I think the number 1s in this FA class are going to go back to their respective teams.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
I'd sign Langford since he will be cheap after a down contract year
If he turns it around next year then I trade him. We can afford be without him but I dont like losing players we develop for nothing
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, as long as it is cheap.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
I am not against bringing in a vet to compete at SS...
But I also want to see Jimmy Wilson get a chance to compete at SS. I really want to see him on the field more.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 30, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson is a SS, I thought he was a FS?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
He is a CB
But he hits like a SS
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Meaning he is either a CB or FS.
I’d rather have the better cover man at FS than at SS, as does most coaches.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
He isn't really a great cover guy... he hasn't been bad...
but the guy will flat out lay someone out. I really don’t know why we didn’t have Clemons at FS this year. He did great last year. He is no Ed Reed, but he can cover. Troy Polamalu comes to mind. He is a SS, but I defy you to tell me that Ryan Clark is a better coverage guy. ;)
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 30, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Polamalu isn't a great cover man either.
I guess you missed the article last year that compared Polamau to the old style SS?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
If you wanted to trade Marshall then you need to replace him with top WR
Our receiving core without Marshall is flat out terrible. garcon isnt the answer. He is basically a Devery Henderson type complimentary speed WR that benefits from the attention a #1 WR brings (yes Colston is a legit #1 WR). If you look at those teams you’ll see they each have a dynamic receiving TE (Pats have 2). If you want us to be like hem then we need a better TE
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
We do need a better #2 WR as well
unless Gates/Wallace/Moore somehow become a player for us. Hartline is a 4 on most teams
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
that last statement is laughable
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Hartline's impact on games is laughable
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
A better QB will change this.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
He has single coverage all game and does nothing with it
He is just a guy out there and is a non-factor in the red zone
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
We have no one to get him the ball...
If we get a true franchise QB that knows how to get him the ball in tight spaces that will change. The guy makes some amazing catches.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
It also has a lot to do with chemistry. Even Henne could get Hartline the ball because they have
had a connection since they were both drafted.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
We could definitely upgrade the #2 spot next to Marshall
Ted Ginn. That is all
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Does that make Bess a 5 or 6?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Bess is just a slot WR
He’s not a big play threat or a scoring threat and he doesnt help in the run game at all. We need a #2 WR that helps in all of the aforementioned areas
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with getting a better TE is that the only one available will be gone by the end of the second round.
So either we trade up to get him, leaving many other holes, or we trade down and not get a QB.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
by the end of the first round.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Who is the #1 WR? I will give you stats and lets see who is.
WR A has 67 catches, 887 yards, and 4 TDs.
WR B has 68 catches, 925 yards, and 6 TDs.
WR A is Reggie Wayne and WR B is Pierre Garcon. Garcon had a great season without his QB throwing to him. In fact it was better than last season’s numbers except for YPC. Garcon has the speed-size combination to be a very good WR in this league. Garcon has steadily improved each season and this was only his third season.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Did I say Reggie Wayne was a #1 WR? Because he isnt anymore
Without Peyton being able to deliver the ball perfectly to Wayne you see what kind of WR he is. He is just a good route runner. He has no speed and cant win any battles in the air. Garcon is a number 2 and your not convincing me otherwise.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, you did.
“[Garcon is a] complimentary speed WR that benefits from the attention a #1 WR bring[s].”
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
i love it
I just don’t want to take a risk with the three RTs listed. I would rather take a RT in the 2nd and a LB in the 5th
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by AnishB15 on Dec 30, 2011 7:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nicely done Pot!! Rec'd.
My only issue is the trade to get RGIII. I think it will take much more than a swap of number 1’s and Marshall to move up. I think that at least one other pick this year, a 3rd or a 4th, and a 1st or 2nd next year will be needed. Getting to a position to get Luck or RGIII is going to be expensive.
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It will be less expensive than you think we have the 8th pick in the draft, not
a mid teen pick. The Browns could still get a coveted prospect at the 8th pick. Also, I’d think that a proven player would be more valueable to a team without playmakers than two picks.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
I don't think the Phins are going to be drafting 8. After they beat the Jets this week, I think they will be drafting in the 10-12 range. That will make it more difficultb to trade up.
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9th is the lowest we can go
There are only 11 teams with 6 or fewer wins, out of those if KC and Buffalo both lose we still get the pick based on SOS. We are currently 3 games behind Buffalo in SOS and if when we beat the Jets that makes them 8-8 and the Pats will be 13-3. I also think the Panthers beat the Saints as I bet NO rests most of their starters in the 2nd half.
I read somewhere that if the Phins beat the Jets (which they will) that they could fall all the way to 12. Not saying that's right, but that's what I read.
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Well researched post
but i couldnt be happier that you arent the GM
The Fish are no longer food
My point is this...
Let’s go back to the 1998 draft. Back then you would have thought it would be crazy to give up 5 complete drafts(1998-2003) to get a single player, when we already had a franchise QB. But go back and look at who we got in those drafts. Very little. I say if we have to give up 3 1s and 3 2s to get Andrew Luck, pull the trigger already. We will KNOW what we have for the next 10+ years instead of hoping that we found a solution. One scout said that if they could start a team with any player college or NFl, they would pick Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck, not Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc. If he is right… what is that pick worth?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
That scout is a moron. Luck has proven nothing at the Pro level.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Which coveted prospect ever has?
How can you prove yourslef at the Pro Level when you’re in college? Its impossible. If your scouting staff deems a player can’t-miss, you give up what you have to within reason. 3 firsts and 2 nd’s qualifies in my books. Although I’d rather STL get #1 overall, trade Marshall (if McDaniel isn’t there), Wake (threat opposite of Chris Long), two 1st round picks and two later picks for Luck. That would be enticing and fair for both sides.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Use the money on Marshall trade
And sign a receiver in this deep FA pool as replacement, and groom a younger replacement somehow for Wake. Luv Wake but we may have seen his best football.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Neither did Lebron James or Sidney Crosby before they were drafted
but I bet that NBA & NHL scouts before they were drafted would have said the same thing.
I totally get your point but the fact is that future success is easier to predict in those sports than it is with football.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
In basketball perhaps, hockey is different. In hockey you have a pretty good idea
the top 2 or 3 will be impact players after that there is just as much likelyhood that a 2nd rounder will have a better career then a 1st rounder.
I guess your right but its still easier to predict then the NFL.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 31, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
The key word here is IF
they thought the same thing about Jamarcus and a few others, if we do that and it dont pan out, well we are seriously screwed for the next 3 yrs, I would pass
I like the most of your ideas
except for the whole trade Marshall thing because that brings us back to square one. Sure he drops some balls but he also make big plays. Hes a sure thing. I mean what would this receiving core look like without him. Bess and Hartline starting? Thats worse than 08’
Ted Ginn. That is all
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I disagree
Square one is finding a QB. The next step is finding a #1 WR. Or you build a receiving corps like new orleans, or green bay , with a whole bunch of athletes but no true “#1”
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 31, 2011 11:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well
I meant back to square one in terms of building the receiving core. But your right at the end of the day it’s all about gettin a QB. My thing is if we trade Marshall whoever the new QB is, they won’t have much to work with. I think we should find other things to give up.
New Orleans and green bay Are deep at receiver but they still have a guy you can single out as their #1. For the saints it’s Colston and for the packers it’s Greg Jennings. And after those guys they have a bunch a big play threats
Now one thing I can point out is that neither the saints or packers have a elite left tackle, so if we were going to trade any elite player on this offense I would go with Long. And find a capable replacement in free agency or draft.
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by Deuce Black on Dec 31, 2011 12:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I like the second option. Here is how the depth chart would look like:
Garcon, Hartline, Bess, Swope, Gates, Moore/Wallace. Depending on Swope’s rookie ability and Gates maturity, we could be 4 or 5 deep at WR.
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Love it
I don’t know if that deal will get us up high enough for Griffin, but I have no idea what a team like Cleveland would want, so throwing Marshall in there might get it done.
And kudos for being aggressive and doing what it takes to get a stud QB. Too many people here are so afraid of giving anything up to get that guy. It’s pathetic.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 31, 2011 11:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I doubt it's fear.
I wouldn’t want to trade Long for a number of reasons, none of which has anything to do with being afraid. Luckily, it isn’t going to happen, so it’s a moot point.
I would love to get Michael Griffin
I agree that Jones is more of a SS then a FS. If not Griffin maybe Lardarius Webb and move Smith to FS (although is lack of effort at tackling makes you wonder if he could be a safety). They may cost too much but Grubbs or Nicks at G would be a great pickup.
I have a feeling we will make a splash in FA this year.
Smith is a very good CB.He is the perfect player to play across from Davis and vice versa.
Davis is an agressive CB that can also lay the wood. Smith is a little more conservative, but is a very good cover man. Smith is better matched up on big WRs like Andre Johnson and Boldin, while Davis is better matched up on WRs with elite speed like Mike Wallace.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Smith is 106 out of 108 ranked CB by PFF
He is average, not very good. It isn’t the highest position of need but an upgrade at CB is needed. It was proven when Davis was out our defense always got sliced up to bits.
But is the definition of average a median performance level?
Ranking 106 out of 108 is terribly below average – like a F score on a report card. Average would be 54 out of 108, with a range from 48 to 60 or thereabouts.
According to PFF Smith is HORRIBLE this year. Only 2 other player have been worse.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
6 out of 15 games he was given a + score
but the games he got a – score were really bad, like -4.0 BUF@MIA and -3.0 MIA@DAL. Weeks 8-12 were particularly bad. He was also only a few points behind guys like Patrick Peterson.
On a side note, I just noticed Devin McCourty was 54th.
The Dallas game?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Looking back at the stats for that game he got the
negative rating mostly from run d. He played 59/63 snaps -3.0 overall, -1.8 in run d, -0.4 in coverage, -.08 for PI penalty, and was credited with 2 tackles and 2 miss tackles.
I'd like to see where Carroll and Wilson were rated
Because I think they could become quality starters. If that’s the case, we can jettison Smith in a trade up to draft a QB.
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Just for reference sake:
Name ` Total PC ` Run Def ` Pass Rush ` Pass Cov. ` Overall rating ` Pass Cov Rating
Sean Smith ` 1027 ` 384 ` 12 ` 631 ` -14.8 ` -14.5
Will D. Allen ` 642 ` 174 ` 38 ` 430 ` -4.5 ` -3.9
Vontae Davis ` 627 ` 223 ` 4 ` 400 ` 1.4 ` 0.9
Nolan Carroll ` 330 ` 113 ` 1 ` 216 ` -4.7 ` -4.7
Jimmy Wilson ` 217 ` 78 ` 4 ` 135 ` -3.1 ` -3.0
Sorry it doesn’t show well, can’t figure out how to put in a good table, especially where spaces and tab don’t work.
Yeah and according to PFF Gibril was much better than Bell.
And Dansby was only an average ILB when we got him.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Dansby was 19th out of 54 rated ILB his final year in Arizona
What hurt him was his pass rushing stats, he was -3.1. If not for that he would be close to top 10. He was 7th overall in pass coverage.
They rate every snap and every play, it’s not like you chose players based on their ratings but it gives you a pretty good indication on a players performance throughout the year. If a player has a bad game because of an injury, they don’t speculate, it is how they performed during the snaps they were on the field. The top players are who you would expect to be. Dansby’s last year in Arizona, who were the top 2? Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis, the top safety? Ed Reed. When I go back and look who finished at the top according to PFF I am rarely surprised looking back at who I remember being at the top that year (their stats only go back to 2008).
I also like their stats because it gives you a good indication on how OL play. Unless you watch every team play and every game it is hard to know how OL are playing.
You will also be surprised who drops though, for some reason their system doesn't
always work for all players. For instance their first two year, Smith ranked at least 10-15 spots ahead of Davis. Then in many statistics, Smith was top ten last year. How the hell did Smith fall off the face of the Earth when his play doesn’t indicate as much.
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It's just a guide, one of the best ones I have seen though
At least they haven’t been commercialized yet, like Football Outsiders with ESPN.
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Like your well thought out post….need to address/upgrade the TE position though Fasano is a good blocker but we also need a TE to be more of a weapon.
+ don’t like giving up Marshall but if it is give up Marshall or Long it probably makes sense.
I see us giving up one of the two to get Griffin (griffin is worth it)!!
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Yeah. Or find a way to get a QB while keeping both.
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No one has a garunteed shelf-life could win 5 SB's with Miami but get Luck!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions
How do we do that?
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As stated earler, find out what ezackly what Indy needs give in bend over misionary style!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
LOL I am pretty sure that any time you bend over that you are no longer doing it missionary style!
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You do know how to put your hands together dont you!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes.
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Wifey took half damn srry pal!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions

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