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kmb8488's 2012 NFL Mock Draft - First Edition

Unless you're someone completely focused on Miami's attempt to snuff the Jets' minuscule playoff chances this Sunday, it's likely that you've turned your attention to the Dolphins' 2012 offseason and the prospects they'll target in the NFL Draft next April. In the spirit of the latter mindset, I present to you, loyal Dolfans, my first 2012 NFL Mock Draft.

Instead of previewing college prospects every Thursday, I'll now be putting out mock drafts and related news and notes, as well as articles highlighting the prospects who I believe the Dolphins should actually avoid. It's going to be a fun offseason (no, that's not an oxymoron), and I hope to build a pretty accurate first-round draft projection come mid-April. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable when it comes to college prospects, but I will absolutely listen to feedback from each and every one of you. Don't like my picks? Great! Tell me who you'd take instead. This is all calculated speculation, but you'd be surprised how mocking picks now can, over the next several months, help you draw parallels between prospects and pro teams.

As a side note, yes, I realize that the 2012 draft order is not concrete, but several variables (players going back to school, getting hurt in pre-draft workouts, experiencing personal meltdowns, putting up huge numbers at the NFL Combine, etc.) are bound to change over the next few months, and that's why we'll do these projections every other week. Make sense?

Okay, enough of the gushy stuff. Let's get to the mocking already.

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1) Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford

The selection we've suspected all along, but a better story right now is the budding likelihood that Bill Polian and the Irsays will send a South American death squad (ala Scarface) to Dan Orlovsky's house if he wins the Colts out of the first overall pick.

2. St. Louis Rams - Matt Kalil, T USC

Three years after the Rams used a No.2 pick on a man-child left tackle (Baylor's Jason Smith), St. Louis gets to do it all over again and use the second pick on a blindside protector. This time, however, the Rams have a guy under center (Sam Bradford) worth protecting, and the addition of a knockout prospect like Kalil would allow St. Louis to move Smith inside to guard. In that scenario, the Rams would have an offensive line of Kalil, Smith, center Jason Brown, guard Harvey Dahl and right tackle Rodger Saffold. Not bad.

3. Minnesota Vikings - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU

So ... Joe Webb last Saturday won the Vikings out of the chance to get Matt Kalil. And since Webb will likely be traded, Christian Ponder now has no choice but to continue getting pounded by NFC North pass rushers. So cruel. Anyway, the Vikings secondary is utter garbage right now, as well, and LSU's Morris Claiborne is a premier cover corner with technique for days and the potential to erase any No.1 receiver in his way. I am not sure how the Vikings can pass on Claiborne when they have to see Greg Jennings and Calvin Johnson twice a year.

4. Jacksonville Jaguars - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State

Contrary to what a lot of people are saying about Blaine Gabbert, it's a really bad idea to throw away a quarterback you traded up for last spring. Instead, the Jaguars should think about getting Gab an elite receiving weapon who can immediately force opposing defenses to respect Jacksonville's passing game. A defensive prospect could also be in play for the Jaguars at this spot, but while the team experienced plenty of injuries on that side of the ball, their receiving corps is genuine clown shoes. Taking a top prospect to fix your biggest need is a no-brainer.

5. Cleveland Browns - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama

Tough call for the Dawg Pound, since Colt McCoy is still unproven and Baylor's Robert Griffin III will likely be staring the Browns in the face when they're on the clock on draft night. However, my quarterback credo is this: never part with a young, promising one until you see him struggle while surrounded by considerable skill-position talent. Cleveland literally has nothing special at running back or wide receiver, and I am not sure how fair it is to expect McCoy to blow it up every Sunday with an infirmary for a backfield and freaking Greg Little as his No.1 wideout. The Browns' turnaround on offense should start with a powerhouse back like Trent Richardson, who has the build to take all the punishment AFC North defenses can dole out, and the speed and vision to become an elite ground weapon in the NFL.

6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama

So much for the Bucs only having a few holes to address this offseason. Tampa's defense was an absolute turnstile against the run this season, and their pass defense wasn't anything to write home about, either. The quick fix? Find a corner with the size and speed to attack the run and also pummel receivers while in coverage. Dre Kirkpatrick (6'2 1/2", 195) is a massive cornerback prospect who is tailor-made for the Tampa 2 scheme. And while he's not an in-your-pocket coverage defender like Morris Claiborne, Kirkpatrick can bring the wallop, boasting a lanky frame that will almost certainly create problems for opposing passing attacks.

7. Washington Redskins - Jonathan Martin, T Stanford

Surprise! Washington has a QB need that is right on par with the Dolphins', but if the Colts do end up parting ways with Peyton Manning, look for the Redskins to be a major player for his services. Also, Mike Shanahan isn't in a position where he can sit around and watch a young quarterback develop. Shanny needs wins pronto, and a veteran addition like Manning would flip the Redskins' fortunes in a hurry (plus we'd get to watch the Manning-Face Bowl twice a season. Hooray).

Once Washington's quarterback situation is solved, the next step is to give Manning what he didn't have in Indy: an actual offensive line. Left tackle Trent Williams has been impressive, but the right side of the Redskins' offensive line is absolutely godawful. Jonathan Martin, Andrew Luck's current blindside protector, is arguably the best run defender of any tackle in the 2012 class, and is essentially a plug-and-play prospect on the right side of the trenches. Remember, Shanahan needs instant results here, and Martin is a player who will light things up right off the bat.

8. Miami Dolphins - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor

I have no doubt that the Dolphins are going to be major players for Robert Griffin III this spring (if he declares). Ironically, Miami's interest in RG3 will likely be because of general manager Jeff Ireland (I'll explain why in a moment), who is public enemy No.1 amongst Dolphins fans right now.

What is in question, however, is whether or not Miami will have to move up to get the Baylor wunderkind. Perhaps Daniel Snyder damns all logic and takes Griffin. Maybe Mike Holmgren feels frisky on draft night and snags RG3 with the fifth pick. Who knows? Keep this in mind, though: Jeff Ireland is a former Baylor player, and chances are that he's had his eye on Robert Griffin long before many of us even knew he existed. And if Ireland's going to stake his reputation on a quarterback, you have to figure he'll gravitate towards the guy who is absolutely killing it for Ireland's alma mater right now.

Of course, this pick could go a few ways, depending on who is hired to be the Dolphins' head coach. If Miami transitions back to the 4-3, then a powerhouse defensive end like Quinton Coples could be in play at this spot. If the Dolphins stay the course of the 3-4, then a knockout edge-rush linebacker like Courtney Upshaw would make tons of sense.

9. Carolina Panthers - Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina

Now that the Panthers know quarterback Cam Newton is the real deal, it's time to find him a big, No.1 wideout. Yes, Steve Smith has paired well with Carolina's rookie signal caller, but he's on the back end of his career, and Newton needs a receiver he can call his own. South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery is a massive (6'4", 230), aggressive wideout with elite ball skills and sure hands for the position, and in a division full of undersized corners, Jeffery would absolutely run amok. This is not a receiver opposing defenses will want to leave in single coverage.

10. Kansas City Chiefs - Riley Reiff, T Iowa

This pick depends largely on whether or not Kansas City likes its quarterback situation (doubtful). Nevertheless, the Chiefs proved this year that no quarterback is safe behind KC's teetering offensive tackles--a problem that a stud prospect like Riley Reiff would help rectify in a hurry. Reiff is unbelievably refined for a collegiate tackle and can come in and immediately lock up either side of the Chiefs' line. Despite still being more of a finesse protector, Reiff is pretty much the total package. Dolphins fans probably don't want to hear this right now, but Reiff could get plenty of attention from Miami's front office, as well.

11. Buffalo Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina

Regardless of whether the Bills want to run a three- or four-man front, a capable pass rusher is a dire need for a defense that rarely touched opposing quarterbacks in 2011. Best of all, Quinton Coples (6'6", 285) would line up next to Kyle Williams and rookie extraordinaire Marcell Dareus to form a stout-yet-vicious defensive line. Good luck running the ball inside on these guys if Coples heads to upstate New York next April.

12. Arizona Cardinals - Vontaze Burflict, ILB Arizona State

The Cardinals' defense just hasn't been the same since inside linebacker Karlos Dansby skipped town, and their linebacker corps is in serious need of youth, speed and tenacity. Vontaze Burflict's attitude problems are well documented, but so is his punishing style of linebacking. Fast, instinctive and violent, Burflict's presence would have Arizona's D back on track ... and he wouldn't even have to leave the state to join his new team. Great success.

13. Philadelphia Eagles - Luke Kuechly, ILB Boston College

The Eagles have what is arguably the worst linebacker corps in the league, so they'd be insane to pass on a linebacker of Luke Kuechly's caliber. Kuechly lacks outright size and pure athleticism, but his instincts, overall intelligence and domination of the inside linebacker position will make him a ultra-fast study in any pro defense he joins. Think of him as a bigger Zach Thomas.

14. Seattle Seahawks - Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma

The "Tarvaris Jackson can be the guy" talk in Seattle is likely over following the Seahawks' loss to San Francisco last Saturday, and perhaps rightfully so. Seattle has the making of a fantastic offensive line in place (Russell Okung, Robert Gallery, Max Unger and James Carpenter) and great weapons in Marshawn Lynch, Zach Miller and Sidney Rice. The only thing missing is a franchise-caliber quarterback, and though Landry Jones' stock may be ho-hum following his rather unimpressive 2011 campaign, he's a strong-armed, accurate passer who could come to the Pacific Northwest and blow holes in NFC West defenses. Jones would be a great fit in the Seahawks' semi-new-look offense.

15. San Diego Chargers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama

Despite a record of not behaving himself while at the University of Florida, Janoris Jenkins is a technique-minded corner prospect who can virtually glue himself to any wide receiver he sees (check out his near-domination of A.J. Green in 2010 if you need a reference). Jenkins' services will be greatly appreciated by a Chargers secondary that has been constantly diced by opposing passing games this season, and his lock-down presence could buy the Bolts' pass rush some much-needed time, as well.

16. Chicago Bears - Michael Floyd, WR Notre Dame

Memo to Bears general manager Jerry Angelo: Jay Cutler is a franchise quarterback who is durable enough to play into his 40s. Get him weapons and protection now. Stanford guard David DeCastro will likely be in play at this spot, but the Bears might be wise to get Cutler the No.1 receiver he sorely lacks right now. Notre Dame's Michael Floyd is a big (6'3", 225), punishing target with adequate speed and near-perfect mitts, and he'd be a nightmare assignment in a division with plenty of undersized defensive backs.

17. Tennessee Titans - Melvin Ingram, DE South Carolina

Titans defensive end Derrick Morgan has been both hit and miss during his time in Tennessee, and the Titans could really use a formidable pass-rushing presence, South Carolina's Melvin Ingram is a do-everything defensive end who can fit in multiple schemes and still manage to wreak havoc. Ingram is still developing in terms of instincts and overall technique, but his pure athleticism and ability to absolutely eat the run will make him a worthy selection at this spot.

18. Dallas Cowboys - Alfonzo Dennard, CB Nebraska

Hmmm. Dallas could really use an elite interior offensive lineman, but the Cowboys' secondary is at a point where the front office shouldn't even hesitate to select a cornerback with this pick. Alfonzo Dennard lacks size for his position, but he's a springy, opportunistic corner who excels at staying with his man. Dennard is surprisingly strong for a smaller cornerback, and he's more than willing to beat up his assignment a bit at the line of scrimmage. Gotta love that.

19. New York Jets - Courtney Upshaw, OLB Alabama

The Jets' pass rush has looked deplorable this season, and since Gang Green is now struggling to control the trenches (losing Shaun Ellis and Kris Jenkins probably didn't help in this regard), the least New York can do is add a legitimate edge rusher and put some heat on opposing on quarterbacks. Courtney Upshaw has the speed, active hands and pure strength necessary to light it up on the line of scrimmage, and he's surprisingly effective in coverage, as well.

20. Cincinnati Bengals - David DeCastro, G Stanford

Yes, this is the pick that the Bengals thieved from Oakland in the Carson Palmer deal (which I still believe was brokered by Al Davis from the grave), and Cincinnati can do Andy Dalton and Co. a favor by adding a ridiculous guard prospect like David DeCastro to the roster. DeCastro is the best college guard I have ever seen (and I watched a lot of Steve Hutchinson when he was playing for Michigan)--a plug-and-play prospect who will come in and crack skulls immediately. DeCastro is superb in pass pro, but where he really makes noise is in the run-blocking game.

21. Denver Broncos - Mark Barron, S Alabama

Rookie Rahim Moore has been impressive at the free safety spot for Denver, but Brian Dawkins is ancient. Therefore, the Broncos could really use a leader at safety who can hold his own in coverage and then turn around and take out the running game. Much has been made of Barron's speed, but he's an instinctual safety prospect with adequate wheels and big-play ability.

22. Cleveland Browns - Kendall Wright, WR Baylor

Ah, yes, here come the Browns and their awful offense again. With Trent Richardson in their backfield, Cleveland's next step should be to add an explosive factor to its passing game. Baylor's Kendall Wright is pretty much the epitome of "explosive," pairing good hands with a strong frame and jaw-dropping speed, He's also eligible for some Jon Gruden commentary. Let's take a look:

"I want to talk about Kendall Wright for a minute. You know what they call him, Jaws? In. Stant. Speed. And when you think of fast, you should think of this spectacular young man. He's six-foot, two-hundred and ten pounds of concrete dynamite in pads. Blink ... and you'll miss him. I have to tell you, I LOVE watching Kendall Wright play football. That guy is a football player, gentlemen, and what I wouldn't have given to have a receiver like this when I was in Tampa. Those guys fired me, you know.

23. Cincinnati Bengals - David Wilson, RB Virginia Tech

I just realized that one-eighth of the picks in this draft belong to the state of Ohio. Congrats to the Browns and Bengals for both fleecing desperate teams in 2011. Anyway, now that the Bengals have an elite guard (David DeCastro) in the mix, they should think about adding a signature running back to the roster. David Wilson is a straight-up burner with excellent vision and cutting ability, and he'll further complicate things for defenses focused on stopping Andy Dalton, Jermaine Gresham and A.J. Green.

24. Detroit Lions - Zebrie Sanders, T Florida State

The Lions have made a habit out of mortgaging the tackle position, but even in a BPA situation, Detroit might opt for a strong tackle prospect like Zebrie Sanders of Florida State. Sanders is a massive, long-limbed protector with great technique and intelligence for the position, and he's also a capable bulldozer in the run game.

25. New York Giants - Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

The Giants' interior offensive line is just unpleasant to watch right now, but can the Giants really continue to depend on tight end Jake Ballard? Probably not, so a versatile, big-play tight end like Clemson's Dwayne Allen could be the pick at this spot. Allen has massive mitts, good speed and a big frame, and he's become a very good blocker, as well. And since the 2011 season was ripe with great tight end play, you can bet that several teams will be looking for their very own Rob Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham or the aforementioned Gresham.

26. Houston Texans - Dontari Poe, NT Memphis

A unbelievable player on an unbelievably bad team, Dontari Poe is a classic two-gap space eater who can make things even easier for an already impressive Texans front seven. Defensive end J.J. Watt has been phenomenal this season, so why not continue building in the trenches? Houston's inside linebackers will also greatly benefit from the addition of a burly anchor like Poe.

27. Pittsburgh Steelers - Dont'a Hightower, ILB Alabama

Watching Ben Roethlisberger hobble around every Sunday should be more than enough to convince the Steelers that it's time to invest in a new left tackle and guard; however, we all know Pittsburgh will find a way to continue mortgaging those two positions. They can't help it. Why bother until Big Ben's leg completely falls off? Of course, the Steel Curtain's linebackers corps could use an upgrade, and Dont'a Hightower has proven himself to be a rangy, powerful defender and leader for the Crimson Tide defense. Hightower's also a ruthless prospect who will undoubtedly mesh well with guys like James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.

28. San Francisco 49ers - Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina

Stephon Gilmore has slid considerably in the wake of guys like Morris Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick, but Gilmore's a fast, physical, opportunistic corner who excels against the run. And since the 49ers' only real weakness on defense is their secondary, it might be a good idea to reinforce the cornerback position. Gilmore's skill set and intangibles will remind you of Vontae Davis, and he can also come in and slide over to safety if necessary.

29. Baltimore Ravens - Jarvis Jones, OLB Georgia

The Ravens love their rush linebackers, and Jarvis Jones has the look of a prototypical talent at the position. Despite still showing a lot of rawness, Jones is a pass-rushing wiz with great speed and strength, and he'll be a load to handle on a front seven that is already impossibly stout.

30. New England Patriots - Brandon Thompson, DT Clemson

The Patriots' hideous inability to stop the run is mainly due to their lack of talent up front. Regardless of whether they commit to the 4-3 or 3-4 scheme, a prospect like Clemson's Brandon Thompson will give the Patriots the size and disruption skills to once again be an effective unit against the rush. One could even make the case that Thompson is the best run defender in this draft. An absolute animal in the trenches.

31. New England Patriots - Jayron Hosley, CB Virginia Tech

The Patriots have a serious problem at the corner spot opposite Devin McCourty, so it's possible that New England wastes little time snagging Jayron Hosley, who is an instinctual cover corner will considerable ball skills and impressive overall technique.

32. Green Bay Packers - Devon Still, DT Penn State

Despite boasting a handful of playmakers on the defensive side of the ball, Green Bay desperately needs to get younger in the trenches and secondary. In this spot, the Pack would likely consider adding a hulking prospect like Penn State's Devon Still to go to work as a 5-technique in the 3-4 scheme. Still isn't a natural pass rusher, but he has the strength and active hands to defeat his man at the point of attack. Still, if lined up next to B.J. Raji, would be a load for offensive linemen to handle.

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No way RG3 will be available at #8 — some team will trade up to move into position to draft him. Hopefully it’s the Dolphins.

Also — didn’t Landry Jones announce that he is returning to college next year?

As far as the rest of round 1 goes, who knows? I agree with a lot of these picks based on teams needs (Jax grabbing Blackmon, NY Giants taking Allen at TE, Floyd to the Bears).

Thanks for posting.

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by rintintinsoldier on Dec 29, 2011 6:31 AM EST reply actions  

yup...Jones is returning

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Jones hasn't made a decision.

He said he is waiting until the deadline (Jan. 15) before he makes a decision.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Dec 29, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope he goes back

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

RG3? How come?

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

If he goes back, and Jones goes back,

that stacks next year’s draft at QB. Making it a better idea to name Matt Moore the starter and get other pieces like OLB/DE (depending on if we switch to 4-3 and let Soliai walk), RT/RG or TE.

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah.. very good reasoning. Patience is the key here.. especially in light of all the "win now" mentality that abounds.

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Matt Moore deserves a full season, but I understand everybody chomping at the bit to get a QB from what is supposed to be the best draft class since ‘83, if not all time. If RG3 and Jones decide to play another year in the NCAA, then that makes next years class a cornucopia of QB talent which should calm everyone down for a year while we really see what we have in Moore. If we don’t make the playoffs, we will have very few holes next year, so trading the farm to get a QB that will be protected and has weapons in place, plus a defense to give him more chances, seems like a great idea.

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love it if MM became a Kurt Warner JR. type....

Means we could draft other players in the 1st round for a few years atleast…without having to worry about QB.

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be so nice.

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this also.

Especially if the QB quality gap is big. Better to draft a solid peice for offense or defense, and look at next years QB’s coming out.

My gut thinks Matt B. went back to school because he wants to be the #1 overall QB taken in next years draft….which equals more money. I know…cynical…but, seems like a possibility.

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite possible,

but that kind of move can backfire. Personally, I would never risk injury playing in the NCAA when I could be a first round pick and make enough money to live on for 10 years in just my first season. More school is always a bad business decision when it comes to sports IMO.

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Very true

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

With the new CBA the #1 doesn't make significantly more

then than others in the top 10, especially when you add in a year of lost salary. Barkley was going to be a top 5 and might have even gone right after Luck. Next year USC is bowl eligible again, that is why he went back.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Joell311

THe more I think about this the better it sounds. I really like the idea of trading and hourding picks if possible that is. We can fix other positions as well. We’ve already seen that Matt for the most part can put points on the board. We badly need a upgrade RT, a TE(not that fasano is horrible, think Speed) and another edge rusher opposite of Wake. I think that would help out our team Tremendously. If we can’t trade Henne let him come back and compete outright against Moore to see who is the BEST QB on the team. Henne was playing well before the injury. Anyway this idea of trading back and filling other holes is growing on more and more. Good idea!!!

by D0lphins4Life on Dec 29, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha I never said trade back,

but as long as we fill RT/RG, OLB/DE (3-4 vs 4-3) and TE, I’m happy.

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Only one "l" in Joel... lol lol

You made him a girl with that one… lol lol

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh ok...thanks

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

RGIII will be a top three pick.

Draft a first round QB and then build around him.
Please do not insult other phin fans if you disagree with them.

by 54 on Dec 29, 2011 6:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I hope RG3 will fall to us...but I don't see that happening

With the top 2 QB’s gone we either:

1. Trade down (my favorite option)
2. Select a pass rusher (though none are worthy to be taken that high)
3. Solidify the OL (Reiff would be my favorite choice)

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by Kdog92 on Dec 29, 2011 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

Wow. You're tough dude....

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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what she said...

oh wait we’re talking about football…my bad

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by Kdog92 on Dec 29, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

lol... what ya got down there, a leather dog chew bone? lol

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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

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by texascowpunk on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that we solidify the oline, but Decastro makes too much sense to me

Long continues to get hurt, Incognito has prooven he cant cover the slack with his offense.

Not to mention that we have both a tackle coming off of injured reserve that played solidly at LT and are seeming to be getting our third round pick from last year ready to play outside.

What we dont have is that dominant force at Guard that can take some of the pressure off of Long, could quite simply be the move that prolongs Longs career.

Other than that, I think the one thing that keeps the RG 3 pick out of reach is that you have too many corners going in the top ten. One you have going ten picks too early. I see Reiff going top ten. Even before we pick. Other than that, solid draft.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Draft DeCastro if we trade down...

drafting a guard in the top 10 would be silly.

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by The Earl on Dec 29, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If the QB's are gone then take Coples

That guy is too good to pass up and really can play in a 4-3 or 3-4. If we do get an amazing offer and trade down to the 20-30’s then I say we take Dwight Jones. The first round should be BPA regardless of need.

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Coples is my #1 draft choice

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

With the Bengals

get both 1’s a 2 and whatever else. Draft an OT and maybe Hightower or Jarvis Jones

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 29, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the Bengals

but sarcasm aside, they need an elite DB, and a RB wouldn’t hurt them either. But that would be the best trade partner at this moment.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I also don't agree with the RG3 pick for us.

I think thats wishful thinking (….but what mock draft isn’t?). I’m sure you’re a big advocate for RG3, but us picking him involves way to many what-if’s and “these things have to happen”’s.

I really think, regardless of the money…that Indy keeps both QB’s, and after a year, let Manning go. I can see Cleveland, or Washington taking RG3…more then likely Washington, because they don’t have anyone. Cleveland does.

I did see somewhere that Jones did not declare for the draft and is going back to school, but I can’t find where I read that…but if he didn’t declare, change that up in your mock.

You know what sucks though…the fact that until FA begins…and ends….we really won’t know how things are played out in regards to the draft.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

Funny, your "what-ifs" came into play with your reasoning.

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol...very true...didn't realize that.

Guess I got caught up in the moment :P

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Keith,

LOVE the DeCastro pick. Hate the Wilson pick, but that’s because our boards differ at RB. I’d rather have Chris Polk and Lamar Miller over Wilson.

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Miller is better than WIlson IMO as well

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Early to say, but I think Wilson's speed will turn a lot of heads over the next few months

I agree that Lamar’s a more complete prospect, though.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 30, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Good write-up.

I enjoyed the humorous commentary

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

I love the Jets pick

Can’t go wrong with Upshaw.

Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.

by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 29, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

I kind of hope we take Upshaw if no QBs are available

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by kmb8488 on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Or QC for the JT replacement unit....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Auto Rec'd!

Gonna love these as they go along…!

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Trade down for Tannehill PLEASE

Get a Jason Taylor replacement and TE in the second.

by Mustang920 on Dec 29, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Ewwwww!

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, for those of you who say RG3 won't be available at No.8 ...

I agree, and that’s why the second paragraph says that the Dolphins will likely have to move up to get him :-)

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by kmb8488 on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Phins trade #8, Jake Long, and the '13 1st round to the Rams for RGIII. That's what it is going to take, IMO.

That trade will allow the Rams to take a WR at #8 because the have Long now at tackle. I say they go Floyd from Notre Dame at 8.

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by ct1361 on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

umm, no

Trading from number 8 to number 2 won’t take that much. You forget that long is the best at his position in the league. It shouldn’t take more than the 8th pick, this years 3rd rounder and next years 2nd rounder

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by AnishB15 on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly. It's easier to move up within the top ten.

I see at least three pre-Jan 15, pre-Superbowl, pre-free agency mock draft boards before it all settles to a more realistic positioning in the draft and what teams need. Shit, Miami could get a RT, OLB or Safety in FA… maybe another receiver.

But this is a good a start in a mock as I’ve seen with the many variables swirling in the air waiting to fall into place.

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t like Miami’s pick, but I don’t see how you wouldn’t pick RG3 if he falls to 8.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We defintely need to fill holes at RT and SS through FA

In drafting those positions you usually cant plug and play especially at safety

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Some team is goinG to overpay if they want RGIII or Luck bad enough.

Two first round picks were traded for Jay Cutler. Two first round picks were traded for Carson Palmer. The Jets traded a 1st, 2nd, and three players for Mark Freakin Sanchez.

There will be multiple teams in this derby. If you think it will only take a 2nd anda third to move upto draft a franchise QB, I think you are sorely mistaken.

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by ct1361 on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's all in the valued eye of the beholder. "Reasonable" could make the pendulum swing far wide to one side.

I hope the Dolphins maintain reason when considering a trade up.

A past Mike Ditka “trade everything” mentality is just stupid.

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He traded everything for a RB,

I think it’s slightly different for a QB :P

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was on the "trade everything for Cam" bandwagon last year.

And I think it would have worked out great, but c’est la vie.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

those were established franchise caliber QB's at the time

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If we are going to trade Jake Long and two 1st rd picks

They better go for the #1 pick.

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by AlejandroN on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It will take more than that to get the #1 pick.

You have to face the facts that the Phins have no leverage in any trade scenario. If getting Luck or RGIII is that important they will have to overpay. To think moving up to #1 or #2 is going to only take a couple of 2nd or 3rd round picks is foolish.

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by ct1361 on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You sound like that's what you would like to see Miami do. Cutting your throat to relieve the soreness is not the answer....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

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by PotM on Dec 30, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Rams end up with the #1 pick,

do you think they would take Long, next years 1st, and say maybe this years 2nd and next years 2nd? Trading with us would mean that they would miss out on Kalil, but that could be negated by Long and they could focus on more weapons for Bradford. We could also throw in some lower round picks or maybe a CB, another huge position of need for them. They’ve had to put 10 (yes 10!!) CBs on IR this year alone.

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by Chupathingy on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait.. I just read Mike Holmgren at #4. What the hell did I miss?

Is Mike Holmgren in Jacksonville now?!

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL I was confused too and just shrugged and thought maybe he is.

I meant to look it up, but I forgot by the time I got to the end of the article!

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, KMB messed up? And I had him up there next to Jesse Jackson. Damn.

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I originally had Cleveland at four

And then remembered that Jax had the fourth pick.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 29, 2011 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good write up, but it is kind of early for me to even consider the draft

Like you said, between people not declaring yet, injuries, and draft order needing to be set, it is kind of difficult to even entertain the hypothetical at this point. I think it is fun to fill our time with wishful thinking, but we have a big game on Sunday against the Jets. That may not mean much to a lot of you (and i wont call out your fanhood), but more than the rivalry, a player who we all can agree will be a hall of famer and a ring of honor inductee is playing his last game for our dolphins. That alone make this the biggest game of the year for me. I truly respect Jason Taylor and will miss his presence on the team.
After the game on Sunday, then i will begin to decompress and begin to evaluate the potential draft and the team needs more closely. I figure that by the end of next week, we should know exactly who is staying in school and who is leaving. My personal feeling is that Jones will stay, and RG3 is 50/50.

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by Phinphinatic on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

QB at 8

There are 4 teams ahead of Miami at 8 that need a QB, no way RG3 is available unless they trade up. How far and how much will it cost will be the question. Not much available in the FA QB market. Strong change we see Moore/Henne competing again next year whether we like it or not.

by rtantalo on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

Who?

4 teams? Who?

The Phinsider

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by Mosul_DolFan on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell, I see 5 teams
  1. - #7. Especially if RG3 is as good as people think he is, those teams may want to go for him if he’s on the board. Looking at each teams QB simplistically, they arn’t that great. Ofc this is just looking at what each QB has done/hasn’t done…without looking at the supporting cast for each QB…just my….what-if’s… :P

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

All you did was add the Vikings. You think they will give up already on their #1 pick of last year?

That makes them worse than Miami’s trifecta….

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Their receivers are garbage.

Shiancoe is the best of the bunch. Harvin benefitted greatly from Rice getting double coverage. They need a receiver and some more protection for a promising young QB.

So, I agree, I don’t see them giving up on Ponder. Especially considering Leslie Frazier is still the coach…

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember they gave McNab all the starting reps in TC over Ponder

The rook got thrown into the fire with rubbish WR’s (outside of Harvin) a average O-line (no LT) and a banged up Peterson. I think he did pretty well considering you see what McNabb did with that same team

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

Personally, I would have started Joe Webb since his mobility helps offset the O-Line woes, but new coach = new QB.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

well yea...ofc I added the Vikings...lol...the other guy said 4...I saw 5...

Yes, I could see them giving up on him…like I said…I looked at each QB simplistically…and I havent seen or heard Ponder doing much. I could be wrong…so please forgive me….but…I’m sure many people on here…would say RG3 > Ponder. If he’s on the board…which I’m sure he will be…why not pull the trigger.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I see 2, maybe 3.

Colts, Redskins and maybe the Browns.

by PhinnyFromItaly on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i agreee

maybe the browns… but the browns shoudl really consider a QB. Colt is ok, but not likely to lead them to anything but 7 wins.

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by Phinphinatic on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Browns will take a day 2 or 3 QB

Ryan Tannehill (if he is available in the 2nd; some say he will make a Ponder type leap) or one of the following that will probably go in round 2-4: Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson or Brandon Weeden

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What team's quarterback are you dismissing?

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Washington,

Cleveland, Indy just because… Maybe St. Louis? Yeah, I don’t see it.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there is a huge chance that Jax takes a QB, or trades for Tebow.

New owner, new coaches, new QB.

The new owner will not care about the $ sunk into Gabbert, ’cause it was not HIS $.

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by PhinsTifosi on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

(Tebow for selling tickets!)

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

by PhinsTifosi on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

New owner, new coach, same GM

Jags aren’t drafting a 1st round QB. Trading for Tebow, maybe but the owner is going to let Smith build the team.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No thanks on RG3...

I am not sold on him at all. I bet he measures “shorter” than listed right now – at the combine. I really prefer taller QB’s – like 6’4" as a prototype. ANDREW LUCK ANYONE ? and he he is by far the better QB IMO…. sure RG3 put up some huge numbers and won the “trophy” but how many others just like him have failed – HT winners at QB fail a LOT….and dont tell me how great of an athlete he is – Brady, Manning, Big Ben – all are inferior to RG# as “athletes” but that means nothing when you stand in the pocket and THROW STRIKES in the 4th QTR. Until Vick or Tebow wins the SB give me a pocket passer anyday… and dont compare him to Cam Newton – CAM is very good throwing the ball (and has the right pocket pressence and throwing motion) …………..Regarding A.L. – I doubt we can get him or have the balls to even try and trade up….but I would -certianly if the RAMS get the pick over Indy.
But I expect that Ireland will mess up this draft as well.

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by 62Lou on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Yes I was..

And I admit – that I am wrong about CAM. … I can admit when I am wrong. I have also been right a LOT of times regarding the draft… LIke hating chad henne selection, pat white, Shawn Murphy, Koa Misi (how does he look now ?) The USC WR we drafted, Jamar fletcher, Eddie Moore… and many others… wasnt wrong about Vince Young, J. Russell, Ryan leaf either…
Look – I dont expect the FO to be PERFECT… but they are well below average in the last 10 years in Miami….no doubt about it.

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by 62Lou on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Koa Misi looks injured.

He’s still pretty solid. He gets pulled off the field for Jason Taylor on passing downs, so he really hasn’t had many pass rushing opportunities this year.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

But I'll agree if you think we need another pass rushing specialist opposite Wake,

and Wake’s eventual replacement as well.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet he measures "shorter" than listed right now – at the combine.

I bet that you are wrong. I heard an interview with Griffin where he was asked about actually being 6’2 and he stated that he guaranteed that he would not only measure that at the combine (being a hint that he is coming out?) but that he would be slightly over that. The kid seems as solid a citizen as you will find in college football so I doubt he is the type to lie about anything.

all are inferior to RG# as "athletes" but that means nothing when you stand in the pocket and THROW STRIKES in the 4th QTR

I guess you did not see the final game winning drive with 50 seconds to go against OK? Or you missed the game winning play where the play sent in to him was a clock the ball play but he saw something in the defense, called an audible and hit his WR for the winning play in the end zone on a perfect dart of a pass?

and dont compare him to Cam Newton

I wont as he is better then Cam, so………..

But I expect that Ireland will mess up this draft as well.

Huh? Ireland has had one draft where he was calling the shots. How did he mess that one up?

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by texascowpunk on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

amen sir

Took the words right out of my mouth. For a good portion of the season RG3 had over 80% (which would’ve been even higher if not for dropped passes) completion percentage and had thrown more TDs then Incompletions! Its incredible. I also distinctly remember during a game on of the announcers said “for an athletic QB, he always has his eyes downfield looking for a big play, he may even be looking to throw TOO much” so to lump him in with Tebow and Vick is simply wrong. Not to mention everytime that kid zips a ball downfield its like magic, that’s what I want to see in Miami. As unlikely as it is I really hope he falls to us.

by AcolyteofRa on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep.

A lot of the backlash against him as the selection has nothing to do with his actual talent or skills but a perception based on ignorance.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 29, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

He is labbled as an “athletic” qb so everyone sees vick young tebow russel and the likes but watching him does not give off that kind of vibe. He’s unlike any qb I’ve seen you can tell his progression is pass pass pass pass pass run kind of like that of aaron rodger (not comparing them just their mindset). The level of excitement he could bring to this team is something we haven’t had in years.

by AcolyteofRa on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

RG3 runs to buy time, Newton/Vick run for yards

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's straight up bullshit.

Newton ran designed runs in college. He didn’t drop back and then tuck the ball away when his first read wasn’t open.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude take it down a notch or two.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My apologies,

but I can’t stand that bogus label being assigned to Newton. That’s the label that had the majority of this site against moving up to draft him if there was a possibility. If we had mortgaged the farm for Newton, we wouldn’t have the Moore vs a rookie debate. We’d have our sure fire franchise QB. I can’t believe that mentality still exists this year after Newton has proven he has pocket presence in the NFL.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

haha fiesty

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Like a jalepino pepper....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter if it was true or not but pre-draft

that was the perception out there and wasn’t people on this site but many experts and so called experts.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The same exact thing happened to Newton last year,

even though most of his runs were designed runs and rollouts and he only scrambled 7% of the time on pocket passing plays. Aaron Rodgers scrambled on 6% of plays in 2010… not a huge difference. People label QBs as “running” and then dismiss them off-handedly. It’s absolutely retarded.

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by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right

I have said for over a month now I have a feeling Ireland has had his eye on him for a while and will make a serious play for him.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Cam - Ireland

RG3 has a LONG way to go to be better than CAM right now… so that’s a bogus statement. Cam (and I didnt like him) is NFL rookie of the year. You wann bet right now $20 that RG3 is NOT NFL rookie of the year next year ?…that he dosent throw for 4,000 yds ?
IRELAND – so his “title” of GM dosent really count ??? If he wasnt “calling the shots” that’s his fault….. I have never worked in a job (with the title) and not the responsibility of my actions. don’t give me that. Ireland has been BELOW average too… but lets give him a “pass” b/c the big/bad tuna prevented him from doing his job… where I work that’s still a FAIL… IF You don’t do your job.

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Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft Ryan Mallett ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change. WR & RB speed kills......

by 62Lou on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeaaaah,

I don’t see RG3 breaking passing records his rookie year… you know, the record now held by Newton… I think the only QB in this draft that has the potential to be better than Newton is Luck and that’s an entirely different skillset.

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And congrats to Cam Newton who has now posted up more passing TDs than INTs

in his rookie season, on top of breaking records! The kid is special.

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

I'd rather wait to see what he does next year before we call him special.

I’ve been on the “against Cam” bandwagon from the start…but if next year he lights it up too…then I’ll be more then willing to hop on the Nexton is special bandwagon :P

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh heh heh, more like the "crow" lunch wagon....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

haha pretty much

There is a lot of crow to be served up regarding Cam on this website, but I don’t see anybody publicly chowing down yet.

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

lolol

If he’s any good next year…I offer to be the first one to speak up about it. Now hopefully I can remember me saying this

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll remember... lol

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"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
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by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

what Alpha said!

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

opps...meant Newton

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

At least you didn't say, "Newtron"... lol

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, don't hate on my nickname!!

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, considering he has a crap O-Line

I don’t think him lighting it up next year is in doubt.

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I love your knowledge, but no way Griffin drops to 8

As a dolphins fan I hope he does and I like your thinking, I think he iss off the board by 5th pick.

by victophine on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Great. Now he's gonna think he's as elite as a Kennedy. Except I think he would go back for the girl....

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy is that a self serving draft.

Griffin falls to 8, if we win this week we wont be drafting 8…..

by Whippets2 on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

RT, WR, TE

Moore is fine. RG3 is a big ???? I don’t want another vince young clone. Let’s get the stanford tackle or blackmon, and the best TE in the second round. Then we’ll pickup manning.

by fishfan54 on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Moore is also a big ????

And RG3 isn’t a VY clone as RG3 isn’t a headcase.

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by The Earl on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?
I don’t want another vince young clone

face meet palm……… all I can do is……. smh

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want another vince young clone.

This comment is so full of ignorance.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 30, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Dolphins get RGIII, which they should... they will trade with the Minnesota Vikings at Pick 3

We will trade our 1st, 2nd, and next years 2nd round picks to move up 6 spots.

The Vikings desperately need to try and trade back and get picks; they are a team built on their one running back, who might not even play at all next year. It makes a whole lot of sense for both teams to make this move so neither team will be screwed and we won’t have to give as much up to get Andrew Luck. We get to keep BOTH Pro-Bowlers in Long and Marshall.

We still have a 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th.

Grab Cory Fleener the TE from Stanford in the 3rd and grab a RT, OLB, S, and Jeff Demps for KR/PR/ST with the rest of our picks.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

That would be the worst move we could ever make. RG3 is a gimmick qb. Get real.

by fishfan54 on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

tell me

How is RG3 a gimmick QB? I would like to hear your reasoning behind it. Have you even watched a single Baylor game?

by AcolyteofRa on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What AcolyteofRa said

If you’re going to say such things come up with some fact to support your reasoning.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Ireland has had his eye on RG3 for

a while and we will be making a play for him no matter what any of the naysayersthink. Bottom line is not only is RG3 from Ireland’s alma mater he and Luck are the only 2 that will instantly put fans in the seats. I am sure Ross does not want to have to buy thousands of tickets each week to avoid blackouts again next year.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Mock Draft!

There’s only one problem who will be our Head Coach and Ireland is still the GM I just hope for the best scenerio if RGIII is gone of the board when we pick that this clown Ireland drafts down and gets more picks, I agree MM would get a shot at starting QB with CH but we really need another strong WR opposite of butterfingers in the endzone BM. Other than that I think we can actually do very well in this upcoming Draft.

by Henry M on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

CH coming back is...

unlikely with his contract up this year.

by delusioned on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of been toying with the Matt Flynn idea.

Matt Moore just doesn’t do it for me. Particularly when the pressure is on. But then I don’t know who we draft in the 1st. Probably a pass rush (trade down for upshaw, get a 2nd round pick) I hope Jerry and Murtha can co-exist and boss the right hand side of the line and we would have a solid line for years.

by LimeyPhin on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Do you not remember AJ Feeley...

Backup QB… check
Comes from a dynamic offense… check
Nobody thought highly of him at all in the draft…. check

Shall I go on?

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Moore for President.

More of Moore in 2012!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Dec 29, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

... anything's better that what we got now... lol

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Count yourselves lucky

That you don’t have the reverse Robin Hood.

by LimeyPhin on Dec 29, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who's....... um...... your "head?"

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the trade down idea!

Matt Moore should be given a full season. He’s improved dramatically as the season as gone on. If Manning is available, of course GET HIM. If not, take a stud OLB with our first pick and then RG or RT(depending on Jerry), another OLB with the extra pick(Misi is a backup), QB, TE, and S. Stay in the 3-4 and resign Soliai for less than he thought he was worth (maybe $6 million a year).

by Randy S on Dec 29, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

I'm all for trading back!

I would like for us to get a CB with playmaking ability and a quality O-lineman (either LG or RT) in the first 3 rds this year. We should really make S. Smith a nickelback and move Incognito to RG to maximize their skills.

by mjams on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Barkley off The Block

Worst thing for the Fins draft board was Barkley not declaring.
I would have loved to move up for Matt over Luck. But we do need to draft a qb.
I am still a supporter of taking Long over Matt Ryan though I know I am in the minority. What I didn’t understand is why we didn’t draft one this year. The position was deep. But now ,for the next draft, there seem to be slim pickings.
My question on RG3 is: is he going to be another Cam or another Jamarcus?

by CalDofFan on Dec 29, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Why do we have to compare him to Cam or Jamarcus

I think RG3 has the potential to e an excellent pocket passer, who can still make a play with his feet. His style of play is like a combination of Chad Pennington with the accuracy and Mike Vick with the ability to run and throw the deep ball.

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by AlejandroN on Dec 29, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My question on RG3 is: is he going to be another Cam or another Jamarcus?

Why would you possibly compare him to those two?

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by texascowpunk on Dec 30, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kellen Moore !.... I would love to see this exciting player in aqua and orange...

The kid has skills. And the the ESPN guru’s are always wrong….. Mark my words. This kid will become the next big time, lazer throwing, defense dissecting QB in modern times when he comes to the NFL….

Jimbo

by Dolphinator on Dec 29, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

From Boise? Well you've got the Beav on your side... he'd chew thru a giant redwood for that guy... lol

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Dec 29, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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