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The Definition of Insanity- (I'm ALL IN... are you?)

The time is now. The cards are on the table. We either fold or we're ALL IN.

To me it's become that the Dolphins' only have one option. After a dismal start, Miami is looking like a team. We're moving the ball fluidly, putting points on the board, our defense is coming together as well. More importantly we are exciting to watch again! This team does not look like the conservative team I have seen year after year. I like what Daboll is doing; how many big plays do we see every week? I have actually seen us on highlights, and on the winning end of some! We are on the right path, but our problem is consistency. Luckily I know the best way to fix this.

Listen, I'm not going to sit here and tell you how important a franchise QB is to a football team. You've seen the stats, you've heard the talk, you have probably noticed football the last ten years when you have watched teams like the Packers, Colts, Patriots and Steelers in the playoffs EVERY year, while Miami sits at home.

I'm tired of it guys. I'm tired of not being invited to the playoff party. I'm tired of watching the sidelines while other teams do all the celebrating.

I'm tired of settling.

We have the pieces in place, we need a leader. We need to take a chance. We need to "open up the playbook" and go all-in. We need a Franchise QB.

I want Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III to be on the Miami Dolphins next year. Period. No excuses, make it happen.

So, let's talk...

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OK, that's great but we don't have the Number 1 pick, moron.

-I hear you. We trade whatever it takes. The entire NFL 2012 Draft, the 2013 draft, anyone on our team, the rights to Jenifer Lopez, whatever.

Whoa, I don't want to trade away [insert crazy amounts of picks here] to get a guy who has proven NOTHING.

-Obviously both teams will meet an agreement of some sort. I've heard people say "Well two first round picks are too much". OK so you're telling me that you wouldn't trade Jared Odrick and Mike Pouncey for a genuine shot at a franchise QB, because those are our last two first-rounders. Look, I wouldn't be happy giving away FOUR first-rounders, but would you do it if you got an Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady out of that deal? I wouldn't even blink. Some people are putting too much power in the draft considering there is a thing called Free Agency for holes to fill. Teams with high powered unstoppable offenses like the Saints, Colts and Packers, can get by with glaring weaknesses because of how the games are being played today.

How do you think the Packers would fare if they didn't have a first round pick this year? The next two years? You think they STILL wouldn't be able to make it to the super bowl?

And how many Franchise QB's have tested the Free Agency market the past 20 years?

Thought so.

But he's a rookie... it's too risky. What if he's not good?

- Every time you pick up ANYONE to be a part of your organization you take a risk. You take a risk of failure for the opportunity of success. This is multiplied x1000 when you are talking about a quarterback due to the fact that they control your entire offense. So if Miami drafts a QB like Luck or RGIII we have two possibilities:

1. He's good. We have finally found our franchise QB. We win every game and SB for the next 10 years. Everything is well. Rejoice.

2. He's not good. We have NOT found our franchise QB. We are in the EXACT position we are in now. Because of the fact that we have given up everything to get this guy, we really suck so we will probably end up with a TOP 5 draft pick within the next few years. We draft another TOP QB. He's good. Refer back to Option 1. Rejoice.

Or we can roll the dice with Matt Moore/Chad Henne or whatever second tier "high potential QB" you might propose...

Refer to the Dolphins records since Marino left = 2 playoff appearances in 12 years. Epic Fail.

It's really not rocket science, people.

Well I guess that makes sense, but how about Chad Henne and Matt Moore? They haven't had a fair chance!

-I'll make one thing clear, this is not an attack on Henne or Moore. I have actually been impressed by both at sometime in this season. Henne looked pretty good in the beginning and although it took some time to get acclimated this season, I commend Matt Moore for coming in and playing solid as well. He's a bit more exciting than Henne in my opinion and due to the average QB play and injuries in the AFC, I would even give him a vote for a reserve spot at the Pro Bowl.

That being said, Henne and Moore are not legitimate "Franchise QB" options. They both make plenty of mistakes and can't be the X-factor to seal victories when the game is on the line. They have competed on a offense with a handful of play-makers and have had good games and bad. Neither have shown me that they are singlehandedly TAKE OVER when we need them too. Our offensive red zone efficiency is still brutal.

How many years are we going to give Henne until we close the door on that project? Well, not another one; he's a Free Agent and won't be re-signed; let another team deal with that problem. He won't be on the team next year so I'll stop talking about him.

I admit, for the most part, Moore has looked good but he is still inconsistent. He has had good games against crappy teams and even crappier secondaries. Against good teams he has problems. Well, good teams are the teams that you face in the playoffs. And if we don't have ELITE QB play we damn sure better have the best defense in the league. Our defense is good, but it's not there yet... so obtaining a franchise QB and building around him is the best way to get VERY GOOD, and faster than you may think.

How can you say Moore and Henne will never be ELITE?

-Minus the QB position, I honestly think this team is good enough to get to the SB with an ELITE QB. Sure we have other weaknesses, but so does every team in the league. Here's the thought on a FRANCHISE QB:

We can draft a franchise QB -OR- we can attempt to try to revamp our entire team to build around a second-tier QB like Matt Moore. Miami would need to get a top OLB, SS, RT, WR, CB, new coach/coordinator, and play perfect, dominate the turnover-ratio and avoid all significant injuries, for us to have a shot at the NFL title. OR we could get a top QB, and put him on a team that can start competing with ELITE teams as soon as THIS YEAR.

We would have to have THE PERFECT team behind a guy like Moore or Henne. It's even harder than it sounds. Plus, we probably would risk being one-hit wonders, instead of building a dynasty. For example, I don't think San Francisco will win the SB due to their QB play and even by some miracle if they do, chances are they won't win it again the next decade. They might not even make the playoffs next year... Reminds me of the 2003 Chiefs team that went 13-3 and ran away with the AFC under Trent Green, a solid D, and a dominant rushing attack. Well, they lost to the Colts (And Mr. ELITE himself, Peyton Manning) in the first round and went 7-9 the following season. They have not won a playoff game since.

See the pattern? It's nearly impossible to sustain greatness without a true leader at QB.

Henne and Moore, you have been great, but as much as I like settling through 7-9 seasons with you guys I kind of want to eat with the big boys at the grown ups table. I'd love to keep Moore as a solid backup QB, but he is not the long term solution for the Dolphins, this much I'm sure. I don't even mind if he starts next year... it might be good to retain that momentum we have had late this season. But, if we don't have a STUD rookie QB second on the depth chart, don't come whining to me when we miss another playoff bid.

Well, that makes sense. But if ELITE QB's are so important what makes you think that Indy would let us even have the #1 pick and rights to Andrew Luck?

-For one, we all need to root for Rams to get that top spot, because this is absolutely a scenario. The truth remains, there is an absolute possibility that the Colts will have 2 ELITE QB's on their roster next year. The Rams would be a much better trading partner due to their investment in Sam Bradford. There also remains the possibility of a team taking Luck and trading their current QB (Manning/Bradford), which if this is the case I believe we need to give these guys a call because they both have "IT", despite some concerning question marks.

The fact that I think that Indy or St. Louis will remain open to trading with us regardless, is due to the fact that they are very very BAD football teams. We are much better than Indy, and I feel like even if Indy had Aaron Rodgers at QB they probably wouldn't win the SB with the team they have now (It's scary because it just shows you how important a QB is- I know for a fact that you are saying to yourself, "Well maybe..."). The Rams and Colts need to completely redo their defenses and still need a lot of help still on offense. A gaggle of draft picks would help these teams immensely considering they already have dependable options at QB. The Colts would have about 80% of team talent and money invested in 2 QB's and it might not be in their best interest to go that route. If Peyton is healthy, Miami would be able to give them enough to make them one of the best teams in football next year. It would be a win-win scenario for either the Colts or the Rams to trade down and get an insane collection of draft picks/players. Will it be enough?

And what will it cost? Nobody knows for sure but you can kiss multiple first-round picks goodbye. I'd root for the Colts on Sunday and hope the Rams retake the top pick... they would have MUCH MORE leverage in a trade with any team than Indy, considering Peyton's age and health (which is the reason I wouldn't give TOO much get him here as a short term option in MIami if the Colts do decide to go with Luck).

Everything is on the table. Any pick, any player. I'm open to all options, let's talk.

OK, I'm on board too.. what are our options?

- This offseason I feel we look for our next head coach (that is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT topic and one I will not share in this post) and look to start 2012 with 2 MAIN GOALS.

1A. Trade up for Andrew Luck

1B. Trade up for Robert Griffin III

This is what is at stake and I feel as if we are essentially settling if we do not try everything in our power to get one of these two players:

ANDREW LUCK (6'4, 235- Stanford Cardinals)

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Andrew Luck is the perfect college QB; he is balanced in EVERYTHING he does and in terms of the NFL Draft, where everything is based upon risk and reward... this is as safe as a pick you can ever make. For those people saying trading everything to get Luck is too risky, this is beyond the most hypocritical of statements I have ever heard. Like I said, EVERY acquistion made on your team is a risk; if Drew Brees or Tom Brady signed contracts on our team in free agency, there is STILL a risk involved, little as it may be.

For those people who are more conservative like me, and don't want to see the Dolphins get burned (like they have countless times before)... Andrew Luck is OUR top priority. There is no guarantee that Luck will take your team to the promised land, but it's about as close you can come to all but guaranteeing greatness for the next decade or more.

Because of this, his value might be astronomical, and if the Colts do in fact end up with the #1 pick, they will have a serious choice to make that could change the entire face of their franchise.

I'm thinking the high demands might take some teams with a need for a QB out of the running but I'm sure soon enough that the Browns, Redskins, Dolphins, Seahawks, Vikings and maybe even the Jets will be looking over possible trade bait to see what it would take to get the best QB prospect for the last 15 years.

As a player, Luck Brings everything you would want out of a rookie QB. Flawless footwork, Fantastic accuracy, Comfort in the pocket, Top End Intelligence and Decision Making, Great Arm Strength, Toughness, Good size, Mobility, Familiarity with a Pro Style Offense, Willingness to win, and with no off-field red flags.

But what I like EVEN more about Andrew Luck is what he can bring to this team off the field. Like I said, I stand pat when I say I think Miami really does have a good group of guys. We are one leader from being an extremely dangerous football team. We need a reason to be excited again. We need a leader. We need to make the city of Miami remember that there has been a football team in our town for the last decade.

Luck will help woo a head coach to our team as well as make us a top candidate for free agents to come sign. Our team already knows how good they COULD be, and with a new leader at QB I feel they will be especially fired up come next season. Luck has the ability to make Miami more than just a football team, he should face scrutiny and pressure wherever he goes, but I wouldn't feel more confident with anybody else under center to be our guy.

NFL Comparison: John Elway

ROBERT GRIFFIN III (6'2, 220- Baylor Bears)

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There is a reason the man known as RGIII won the Heisman Trophy for the BEST player in college football; he can do it all.

Although RGIII might have a few more question marks than Luck in terms of his transition to the NFL, this guy will undoubtedly bring JUST as much excitement and chatter to his new team as likely #1 pick, Andrew Luck. For a guy who prefers to pass, teams have learned the hard way that pressuring Griffin can sometimes NOT be the best idea when he gets OUTSIDE the pocket.

RGIII, born in Okanawa Japan, is a soft spoken, well-mannered gentleman off the field and a complete BEAST on the field. In fact, if he is a Dolphin next year, he may need to talk to Brandon Marshall about getting the rights to his nickname.

Griffin came out of nowhere as early as last year, so his NFL potential still remains to be seen and debated. He is only 6'2, not as familiar with a pro-style offense and is still raw in some aspects. However, his upside is as great as anyone's (possibly even more than Luck himself) and his mobility adds a completely different skill set to the new offense he joins. He is an offensive coordinator's wet dream and a defensive coordinator's worst nightmare. Griffin will most likely be taken behind Luck so the trading price might be a bet more reasonable to try and grab RGIII in spots 2-5 in April's draft.

For the Dolphins, who desperately need to "take a shot" and stop playing it safe, RGIII might be the best of both worlds: take a risk by moving up, but without giving up as much as you would have to for Luck. RGIII might not have the immediate success that Luck should bring, but the sky is the limit for this kid and there is no doubt that he will do great things at the next level to wherever he ends up.

NFL Comparison: Cam Newton

I wish I could have both of these guys, but the truth is in a few months Luck and RGIII will likely make 2 NFL teams very happy... but will either be the Miami Dolphins?


MY FINAL CASE:

"The Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Since #13 has retired the Miami Dolphins have become infamous for putting in sub-par, decent options as legitimate replacements at the QB positions. Miami has not drafted a QB in the first round since 1983 where they took a risk by drafting this crazy haired kid from Pittsburgh. Meanwhile, teams like the Colts, Giants, Packers, and Steelers have had success in their first-round quarterbacks that have brought a championship to their city. More recently, the Lions, Panthers and even the Niners have turned heads as "upcoming teams to watch" largely in part of their overall #1 pick at QB. Miami has for the most part danced around an average record since 2000, winning the division only once and making the playoffs twice. Head coaches have come and gone as teams have underachieved year after year. Simply put, life has been tough for a Miami Dolphin fan.

But enough is enough. I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired of settling. There is something we can do about it. There are 2 more-than-qualified upgrades to the most important position on our team and the only reason we won't take a shot on either is because we chose to play it safe and "settle".

It's looking like the Dolphins will end up at pick 7-10 and they will most likely have two choices:

1. Trade up and get Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III so that we have a franchise QB for the next decade.

2. Settle and take an offensive lineman. Again.

What do you think Miami should do? Do you think they should play it safe, wait until next year, or try to build around what we have..... or should we finally make THIS the year, and make the decision to go ALL IN?

Do me a favor, if you have read this entire post I commend and thank you... but I have a request. I usually don't do this, but IF and ONLY IF you agree with me that this is the year we go ALL IN and get our QB for future, REC this post at the bottom. This will tell me truly how many people are on board to do whatever it takes, and feel as passionate as me about doing something about it. Also, it will keep this post up on the site longer for more to read and hopefully join in our cause. Make sure to vote in the poll and please let me know WHAT you think about the Dolphins and their upcoming draft decision by commenting below. If you don't think we should go ALL-IN, then make sure to tell me why as well!

Whatever happens, GO Dolphins! I hope we crush the Jets and end the season on a positive note as we continue to build for the future of our team. I truly hope you make an effort to go ALL IN. I want to see this team finally hit it's potential and be the powerhouse we are supposed to be.

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The cards are on the table, Will you fold or are you ALL-In?
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII on the Dolphins next year.
138 votes
I fold. We should settle and play it safe by building around what we already have.
27 votes

165 votes | Poll has closed

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To show I am ALL IN I will add a line to my SB Nation Signature, feel free to join the cause!

“I’m ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.”

Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with you BSerious72!!! Rec'd

I am on record stating that I will be a season ticket holder next year if they draft a QB, Luck or RGIII. Make it happen Miami and be relevant again!

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Dec 27, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

Glad you jumped on board

Just imagine if Miami had Cam Newton this year how much more exciting this team would be! Moore has played well, but I don’t feel like we should continue to settle with average QB play. I want this to be the year… if we get burned oh well, but we have to atleast try.

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

we havent tried in 15 years and see where that has taken us...

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

& New England didn't need toTampa almost every-year drafts a QB. in first rd. com on its a crap shoot!

Unless your #1 in the draft!

wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!

by wild zion beaver on Dec 31, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

OKAY, DAMMIT! You had me at "we either fold"

After debating, or rather, not debating this with you in my fanshot. I’m off the fence, push my chips to the middle of the table, LET’S GET IT ON!

I hate Seattle weather.

by MMANDIA on Dec 27, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

ATTA BOY!

I’m looking forward to celebrating at the draft rather than watching us select an OL position and drinking myself into a depressed football coma lol

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

ME TOO!

Except you forgot to throw an “again” at the end of that sentence. Just like when we passed on Earl Thomas to trade back for Odrick and Misi. BTW Thomas voted to his first pro bowl today, and should’ve been in as a rookie last year with 5 ints. First of many for him….hey Ireland, lemme know when Odrick or Misi get voted in.

I hate Seattle weather.

by MMANDIA on Dec 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all in! Rec'D.

Hey Luck!!! Discount Double Check!!!
Welcome to Miami. crosses fingers
Great post B72 thorough and informative.

Feed the wolf or is the wolf feeding on us?
Get well soon Chads.
B. Marsh needs more TD's.

by Stats407 on Dec 27, 2011 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

HAY RAHJAHS!!!!!

DISCOUNT DOUBLE CHECK!

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been here. BUT

I’m not getting my hopes up. I wanted this to happen for Newton. Ireland can not spot QB talent and doesn’t have the balls to trade up. It would of been easier to do this last year.. We are going to have to get extra crazy this year.

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

This is Ireland'

I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"

by Va FinFan on Dec 27, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad

This is Ireland’s make or break year. If he goes after Luck everyone in Miami will be on his nuts. Ross wants to sell tickets badly. How do you that? Go get one of the highest rated QB prospects since Manning. Both of these guys are going to want to do it in order to save what they want: For Ireland its his job and for Ross its his money. I’m pretty sure he has saved about 5 or 6 blackouts from happening, taking a major hit at his wallet. What would sell tickets and win games Matt Moore or Andrew Luck?

I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"

by Va FinFan on Dec 27, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed!!!

The best thing Ireland can do is go after Luck. I feel you 54 and honestly i agree, but if Ireland were smart he’d put his eggs all in the basket for the safest prospect in years… Otherwise he’s letting it ride under Matt Moore, which say what you want still put together a losing season in Miami.

Ireland would be in his best interest to go after Luck, because AT WORST he should be the best QB since Marino, at best Ireland will be commending after trading up to get one of the top QB’s in the league.

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ireland IS smart

He will draft safe so someone and that will give him a job elsewhere. He already has a good draft and that’s what people will look at. Doing something crazy and having it not work could keep future employers away. Ireland knows this. Being safe is what saved his job.

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand how drafting a Franchise QB = doing something crazy

but I guess that’s what its come to here in Miami huh lol

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Trading up for a qb is a big move. It’s a career making/breaking move for a GM. Hit on it and you’re big money, miss on it you’re fired with the big risk of not getting a job at the same position. Being safe and having solid drafts equals future employment.

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont see this draft as being particularly special

It hasnt done Ireland any favors nor has it hurt him. The Daniel Thomas reach was the big negative this year, and no one besides Pouncey has had any real lasting impact. Ireland will have to do better than ok in 2012.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Dec 27, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

IT wasn't special.

But it was solid. Thomas was one of the most productive rookie RB’s in this class even though he been nursing various injuries.

What real lasting impact is a center suppose to have? He’s not a play maker. He’s exactly what Ireland wanted.

Gates is a 4th round WR on the active roster. That’s solid for the WR position. Especially with the off season we had.

Clay looks like he could be a seam threat. Active roster

Kearse 7th round pick that’s not on the team. Oh well he was a 7th round pick.

Wilson a 7th round pick on the active roster. Any 7th round pick on the active roster regardless of role in his rookie year is a great pick.

5 out of 6 rookies made the team and were on the active roster. That’s a solid draft. Special draft? no. Solid? yes.

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Tired eyes, misread what you wrote about Pouncey

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

*

He will draft safe so another owner will give him a job elsewhere. He already has a good draft and that’s what owner’s will look at. Another one will ensure a future job. Doing something crazy and having it not work could keep future employers away. Ireland knows this. Being safe is what saved his job.

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Speculative and cynical.

He more likely loves the game and wants his team to succeed.

by sirdolphin on Dec 27, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

More like he wants big money in his pocket

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Dec 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure,

his seat started warming up with Sparano’s. He may feel that a rookie QB will buy him 3 more years or so.

I hate Seattle weather.

by MMANDIA on Dec 27, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

As I said below, one of those top 2 QB’s is a fellow Baylor alum.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 28, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling Ireland, as a Baylor alum, is going to

take a very hard look at RGIII. Luck is probably out of reach unless St. Louis has the #1 pick.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 28, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS IS SPARTA!

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 10, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

REC'D REC"D REC'D

Thank you so much for this post. I teared up a little. I would’ve liked to see what you gave up comparing to my post but I didn’t care because it was so beautiful. Let me show you what I posted in the anti-Luck post a couple minutes ago:

This is why we’ve only been to the playoffs twice since Marino retired
We’re too scared to go get the QB we want. Luck is one the of the safest prospects to come out of the draft since Peyton. He has a very low chance of being a bust, although I know it can happen. But I would take that chance if it means I settled the QB position for 12+ years, something we’ve been looking to do.

Luck has the intellectual ability (Went to Stanford and even decided to stay another to get his degree), the mobility you need, the arm, and the accuracy that makes a QB these days. He makes a variety of passes well and has done very well with very few NFL prospects on his team.

Let me just ask you, do you want to go to the playoffs? Well, hoping you said yes (If you said no just leave) how many times has Brandon Marshall been on a team that went to the playoffs? ZERO. All those great seasons he has had but zero playoff appearances because of inconsistent QB play. Why did we never get to the playoffs when we had all those players that were "untradeable" in the 2000’s like Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, and Ricky Williams on offense? Was it maybe because of inconsistent QB play? I think so.

That’s what Matt Moore is. He is a good QB through 3 quarters but makes costly mistakes like fumbling and taking unneeded sacks in the 4th. Inconsistent QB play is what that is. Luck might be that, but there is such a high chance he can be the QB we’ve been salivating over that it would be worth it to go get him.

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by Va FinFan on Dec 27, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good post VA and I am so glad for seeing how I see it

I don’t expect EVERYONE to see it like I see it… but our team is finally becoming exciting and not getting a franchise QB while 2 unbelievable options are out there would be a huge mistake IMO.

Start from scratch next year with a new HC and a new rookie QB and let’s start building a franchise here in Miami.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

people who say that Chad Henne did not get a fair chance at this point are just plain stupid

He got a few seasons starting in the NFL to prove that he was franchise QB. We gave him another shot after he sucked the year before because we said… well maybe it was the OC. Sure he played better, but he never really put the ball in the endzone the way he should. I am sorry sir but you had your chance. We need a chance to win now… are you are not it.

Matt Moore… ok so he didn’t have a few years… but the guy has had a golden opportunity to come in and light things up. He has been better than Henne. That is like being the skinniest kid at fat camp… or the smartest kid on the short bus. We don’t have any holes that are bigger than QB at this point. We have one QB on our roster. Should he be given the chance to start next year? Absolutely. But if you don’t pick a QB with that first pick you are a complete moron.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 27, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Both have shown GOOD and BAD this year

Neither has been consistantly good in the red zone. No offense DC$, but I’m tired of seeing you 20 times a game this year lol

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by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

its not so much that he didnt get a fair shot,

but he got hurt while he was realy begining to show promise.

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by Phinphinatic on Dec 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

showing promise?

Sorry we can’t wait 3 more years to see if you can make us relevant. You are an adult. If you haven’t figured it out after 4 years of college, and 4 years as a professional athlete…. well … maybe you need to be doing something different with your life…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 28, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So I guess you would have given up on these bad QBs......

Drew Brees
Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Alex Smith
John Elway

Everyone of these guys had a sketchy first 3-4 years in the league. Maybe you need to realize not every QB can be like Marino and Montana playing lights out right away.

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

While Drew Brees turned out to be a really good QB..

How exactly did that help out the San Diego Chargers(the team that wasted a draft pick on him). That’s right… I said wasted a draft pick on him. What did he do for the team that drafted him? They got one good season before he went to free agency, unless you want to count the fact that he helped them get the 4th pick in the draft so they could draft their franchise QB.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 31, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I say it helped them out?

I guess you and AJ Smith have something in common. You both would be seething watching Drew Brees light up the NFL after you gave up on him for Phillip Rivers.

See, the good GMs give their QBs a chance to develop. The bad ones give up on the them too early (SD-Brees and TB-Young).

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 2, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Vince Young was never going to be a franchise QB.

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by PotM on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Never mind, you were talking about Steve.

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by PotM on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

and the rest of the QBs you mentioned...

Steve Young- drafted picked up by the Los Angeles Express, then went to the Tampa Bay Bucs, neither of which he mattered to very much.

Troy Aikman- was successful for his team, but had an awful lot of talent on that team assembled by Jimmy Johnson

Alex Smith- are you kidding? He was drafted back in 2005. He helped get Mike Nolan fired as head coach. Up until this year he was a complete joke.

John Elway? I don’t get it? He was drafted first overall, meaning he was playing for the crappiest team in the league at that time. He started 11 games and threw for about 151 yds a game. Not stunning.. But his 2nd season he threw for almost 2600 yards. And this was in 1983 where you didn’t have 7 guys throwing for over 4000 yards passing. He was actually ranked 15th in the league in terms of passing yards that season. His 3rd season he was the 4th best QB in the league in terms of passing yards. Slow start?

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 31, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Jon Gruden Says sumtimes "it takes up to 8 years" for the QB (to get it) rite!

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by wild zion beaver on Dec 31, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Beav I know you’re better then listening to what Gruden says! lol

by Agent J 78 on Jan 1, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The addition 2&2 does not always =4!

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Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!

by wild zion beaver on Jan 1, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

sumtimes it =50

wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!

by wild zion beaver on Jan 1, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

2 days + 2 hours= 50 hours Err2+2=50

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Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!

by wild zion beaver on Jan 2, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You obviously missed my point.

TB gave up on Steve Young, and then prospered with the 49ers. Bad team gave up on good QB.

Troy Aikman was a good QB, but not until his 4th year in the league. He didn’t even have more TDs then INTs until his 5th year.

Alex Smith is having a great season, that nobody thought he was capable of. Look at his career stats. He was not the reason Nolan was fired.

As for John Elway, his first season he threw 7 TDs to 14 INTs at a whopping 47.5 comp. percentage. He did improve his second year, which was 1984 by the way, and no not everyone was throwing for 4000 yards although 3 did it that year. But he then struggled a bit in his 3rd year. Comp. % went down a bit and he threw more INTs than TDs. He may have been 2nd in passing yards that year, but he was also 2nd in INTs. He also threw the most passes that year, by a whole games worth. Compared to a lot of other QBs at that time, yes it was a slow start.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 2, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You got my "rec", full support, and a few extra accolades for getting RG3's name right,....

Nice post. Makes me wishing I knew how to type. Hunt & peck is painfully hard when trying to do any post of length,….

Thankful you got that area covered !

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by Ohiofinfan4life on Dec 27, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

I got you man!!

As a die hard HALF as crazy as you are, I know you can understand how important a QB is. Bet you would KILL to see Marino in action again!

We gotta stress the importance of this, because otherwise December and January will be boring for the next few years as we miss the playoffs year after year!

I’d rather write something like this post and try to be proactive to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, rather than be the one to bitch and moan on this site after loss on how all our players suck and all our coaches should be fired. That’s not my style.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 27, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it goes without saying,...I like your style !

I got to see Marino play once or twice a year seeing as I attended my 1st game in ‘85. And since that season there has been only one year that I didn’t go to any games,….

Looking back on it I think I might have taken him a bit for granted as I thought, we might not have another as special as him, we would certainly not go through such a QB drought as have have seen since his departure. Which, for the most part, has fucking sucked !

This soap opera we call the Dolphins will soon be in overdrive. I hoping for the best, but planning for the worst,….

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by Ohiofinfan4life on Dec 27, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'be been all in for a while now

There are certain players I’d rather not give up, but it’s about time we go for the jugular here. This is the year to do it. We need to get our QB to build around, or with no foundation we’ll just continue to crumble. REC

by phinsphan85 on Dec 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

if we would include long in the trade, the results would be disatrous

without Long, any QB will be toast.

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by Phinphinatic on Dec 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

jerry is holding his own so far

He isn’t long. But he can do the job.

Draft a first round QB and then build around him.
Please do not insult other phin fans if you disagree with them.

by 54 on Dec 28, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It was one game.....

And NE didn’t have their best pass rusher. Not a good example.

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

idk about toast, but yes... I'd feel a LOT happier about investing so much in a rookie QB with big #77 back there, AND healthy

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that

Long is one of those guys I’d rather not give up, but we still should try to get that QB while doing our best to keep Long, Marshall, Vontae and such. I know that would be difficult to do, but that’s why I don’t mind giving up multiple draft picks as opposed to current star players. I really think we have a talented team.

by phinsphan85 on Dec 28, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How about we all start writing letters to Ireland and Ross

If frickin RGIII is our qb you can bet your ass I’ll plop down cash and go see games, drink myself silly and watch the Dolphins win some fucking football. Come on- you all KNOW how close the Phins are. SO SO close.

Someone get us some addresses and lets start mailing handwritten, good intenioned letters to Ross. He is a businessman. He needs to know what the deal is.

by Fuhbawl on Dec 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great post as most are

But I’m not for going all in. Two 1st round picks and a 2nd. Or maybe add another 2nd rounders and that’s about it. We gave up 2nd rounders for BM couple of 1st and a 2nd would kill me. The why this O-line has played at times we’d need more then Luck. Pun intended.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Dec 27, 2011 9:10 PM EST reply actions  

Marshall was gotten for 2 second rounders and although he hasnt hit his true potential he still has consecutive 1000 yards and is a pro bowler. when you are talking about your franchise QB i dont really think an extra 1st rounder is much more

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

RG III would give us a franchise QB most likely but he wouldn't fix everything

we have OL problems and only really have one passing threat in Marshall.IMO our D is good enough for a playoff appearance but not a SB.So giving more the 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders isn’t a good decision just for RG III.

by AussiePhinfan on Dec 27, 2011 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

A franchise QB would not fix everything but then again they wouldnt need to. The Patriots have more holes than an old pair of socks but theres a main reason why they are in first place in the AFC and can easily come back after playing 30 minutes of crappy football and down 3 scores.

Whether you want to believe it or not the NFL has turned into an offensive driven league; the Dolphins need a franchise QB more than anything else. Id rather trade an extra 1st rounder to get a QB then settle with another OL to put next to a middle tier guy.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Sorry man, can't join this bandwagon.

There’s one thing you forgot to mention about all the good teams you listed.

NONE of them made boneheaded trades like the one you’re suggesting to get their franchise QB. You know what happens to teams that trade away drafts for players? They continue to lose because they have no draft picks to replenish/build their rosters and instead settle for stop gap FA’s who are usually on the downside of their careers and come over priced.

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

who was the last team to trade for their QB

only the jets come to mind… and they had the right idea…. except Sanchez is alot more suspect than either guy im proposing.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 12:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The Jet's trade is close to what I'm talking about....

But they only traded their first and second of that years draft along with 3 scrubs. With that kind of price I would be willing to trade for Luck. People are talking about 3 first rounders or entire drafts. That’s much more crippling to a team in the long run than what the Jets gave up.

But you kind of made my point with your first statement, “who was the last team to trade for their QB”. Exactly, so why is everyone advocating it? If the greatest football minds in the NFL don’t think it’s a great idea, don’t you think there’s a reason behind it?

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I would trade 3 first rounders and 3 2nd rounders....

Mike Pouncey, Daniel Thomas, Jared Odrick, Koa Misi, Vontae Davis and Pat White. Mostly good players. Yes, I know it is a sacrifice. But we can stop the countless parade of wasted seasons, and picks sent to other teams. We can stop hoping we have found the QB of the future- we will know we have the QB of the future. We will be ok with sucking for a complete season, or 2. That is what happens anyway when you get the first pick in the draft. But we have a very solid base. We can bring in some veterans to fill some holes and go after our biggest need in the draft. Then we will not have to worry about that whole QB problem for 10+ years. I am sorry, but I say sign me up. Sign me up.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 28, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

its absolutely going to be a scrifice...

we honestly can’t expect to get a franchise changing QB for nothing.

But once we have that piece our team will be that much easier to build around. Like I mentioned, if the Saints, Packers or Patriots were missing a pick or two I doubt they would mind. If we trade up and get Andrew Luck and get an OLB, TE and RT in the later rounds and in FA. This is our best option in the long term no doubt.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Its hard to say what they would do if they didn't have that piece...

They have had a QB ever since they were relevant. You could make the case that Belicheat would have been fired from the Patriots had he not stumbled upon a franchise QB with a 6th round pick.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 28, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Belichik get fired?

He already had a franchise QB, Drew Bledsoe. You fail to realize he only discovered Brady could play because Bledsoe got injured.

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 28, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Explain this one to me....
we honestly can’t expect to get a franchise changing QB for nothing

Every other successful team in the NFL did. Why can’t we?

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can’t we?

If it’s so easy why haven’t we?

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Piss poor GMs?

No QBs drafted in the first round?

I’d start there first.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 2, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

This ^^^ yeah start there!

Then if we can’t get fixed Moore next year, That just might get us to a SB you guys fail to notice that is not Dilfer in our back field. Moore looks “agressive as a pitbull” & (always ready like a Tiger) too also cut you like knife, bruthers his passes had sum hone on them. If we as a team had A decent Oline around this man, I’m sure That the playoffs wood not be spent watching & wondering will the Miami Dolphins, get back to the promised land whilest i’m still alive!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 2, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Beav, not buying into Moore.

The guy just has too many flaws to get us anywhere at playoff time.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Add rec B72 nice read!

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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!

by wild zion beaver on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does everyone keep referring to past drafts as examples????

As if we’d be passing on exactly similar players. Why not name the good players we could be passing on? Maybe cause that wouldn’t suit your argument?

It’s also one hell of an assumption that, “We will have the QB of the future”. I wasn’t aware you were a fortune teller. Could I get some lottery numbers with that comment? Look, I’m not trying to say Luck won’t be good. For every pundit or so called expert you can name that says he’ll be good. I can give you an example of a player they also said would be good that wasn’t. The bottom line is nobody knows if he’ll be good or not.

If he does turn out to be a franchise QB, yes we’ll eventually recover from the loss of those draft picks in 2-3 years. But if he doesn’t, you just crippled the team for the next 5+ years. That is just too big of a gamble for any NFL GM to make.

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by luvs2drnk on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Post 72 and Rec'd

This is the year folks. This will be the last year we Draft in the Top 8. An hopefully it will be a Top 5 Pick. I see 5-7 guys that most teams would take no questions asked if their QB sitiuation is settled. So I see solid value for the Rams to trade back with us. This is the time to go all in. The price will be cheaper than trying to jump up from the mid-teens. Players like Jake aren’t getting any younger. After last years Draft I’ve been beating the drum to get LUCK. I’m not stopping now. RGlll looks like a great prospect also. Just worry about his size. Remember Newton is pretty big for a QB. Keep Moore and start Moore till the line settles in.

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by FinFanFromCA on Dec 28, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you on this one

Let’s hope Indy wins and St. Louis has the #1, a much better chance of trading up if that’s the case.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 28, 2011 1:53 AM EST reply actions  

wow, well said....

can’t say it any better.. I’m not saying you have to agree to trading up, but WHAT THE HECK ELSE do you propose….

QB’s don’t grow up on trees… I doubt Drew Brees is going to knock on our door and ask if we’re hiring…

Like I said, if you don’t agree with me thats fine but please, tell me what the hell else we are supposed to and how we’re going to get a QB. I can’t fathom the things people think and I honeslty dont understand how people are content in settling and waiting YET ANOTHER YEAR for a future possibility at QB.

Tell me Im not the only one tired of this crap!? I know you’re with me Earl lol

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt Drew Brees is going to knock on our door and ask if we’re hiring

He already did and we…… or Satan……. turned him away.

BTW I am with ya B.

Oh and Rec Earl!

by Agent J 78 on Dec 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

ugh dont remind me...

second times a charm? lol

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan Marino drop more the 30 picks!

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by wild zion beaver on Dec 31, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Think about what we did with Chad Pennington....

Andrew Luck is no Chad Pennington. Think about what we did with Marino. Granted, I am not ready to say this guy is the next Marino, but Marino made every player around him better. Manning made every single draft that the Colts made after that look amazing. What did they really have without him though?

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 28, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit if the mobile app let me rec

I would click rec with my penis. That was awesome. I love you

Lol

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by texascowpunk on Dec 28, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ouch

*pwned*

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Dec 28, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To use your own words.....
And your solution… keep on doing the same things and expecting a different result. THAT, folks, is the definition of insanity!

Every team that has traded a large amount of picks for a single player or draft pick has failed to win a Super Bowl or become successful long term. The closest you’ll find is the Manning-Rivers trade. But one could argue NY might have been a better team had they gotten Rivers instead. So wouldn’t that be the insane approach as well?

Look, most of the people that are against trading up are doing so because of the price not the player. If you weren’t aware that price could very well be 3 first round picks. While the people advocating for trading up may think this is the answer, it isn’t. If this was such a great idea, that worked so well. Why is it not a single successful team/GM/Owner/Coach in the NFL has ever done it?

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 2, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Id rather have Eli than Rivers

This post is just an urge to not do what we have done for the last 20 years…. SETTLE.

If we like a guy, go GET HIM… period.

I’m tired of this team waiting, if we don’t do anything we’ll be talking 3 years from now how our QB is average and we should have made a move years ago after 3 consecutive 8-8 seasons.

Get some BALLS and make a move. We’ve waited long enough.

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by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet most Giants fans would prefer Rivers over Eli.

It hasn’t been 20 years, it’s been more like 8-10 years. Nor would I say this team has settled the last two years. We went out and got Marshall, Dansby, and Bush. It wasn’t the QB everybody wanted, but I personally don’t think we were at that point yet.

You call it settling when the team doesn’t go out and get the guy you want, or is the popular choice. Yes, we’ve all waited a long time for our team to return to relevant status. But the point I’ve tried making is the wait will be even longer if you gamble with future draft picks and it doesn’t work out.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 3, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How many Playoff Wins has Rivers won?

I’ll wait.

Then i’ll raise you Eli’s Lombardi Trophy.

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by BSerious72 on Jan 10, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell Eli has a legit shot again this year. That team is hot at the right time, again.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 10, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Then what is your solution?

Keep the current mediocrity going with Moore and Henne? Sign another uselss FA QB that fails? What are we going to do? We have tried everything else, why not try trading up? At least we’d be trading up for a QB, not a RB like in most examples. If you look at most of those trade ups, they were for other, less important positions.

What is truly insane is that fans here think that we can keep doing the same things over and over, like signing a FA (Flynn) or drafting some late round that will never be anything (99% of non-first rounders), and that those QBs will somehow be the answer. At some point, we are going to have to draft a first round QB, even if we have to trade up. And it can’t be some bum 3rd round prospect whose stock goes up in a deluded class. Of course we had 2 chances when we had high picks and failed. Jake Long is a great LT, and he’s led us to what? Ronnie Brown isn’t even with the team anymore. Everything this team has done has failed… except drafting a first round QB.

And I am aware of what the price is NOW. That will not be the price come draft time. I think people will be surprised at what the actual trade will be, unless an idiot like Dan Snyder actually gives them what they ask for.

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by The Earl on Jan 2, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

^^this^^

The funny thing is most say “wait till next year and trade up for Barkley” when there is a very high probability that the team with the top pick will not trade it and that we more than likely will be picking in the mid-teens or lower (meaning it will cost a lot more than moving up from 8 or 9).

by Agent J 78 on Jan 2, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all for drafting a 1st round QB this year.

What I’m not for is mortgaging the teams future to do so. You’re aware what the price is now. Imagine what it could be if Jones stays in school? Now you went from 4 1st round prospects to two. Add that with a strong combine performance, and the cost is going to solidify to 3 first rounders, if not more.

You want to know my solution? You draft within your limits. This is how dynasties are built. You think the Steelers, Packers, Patriots, 80’s 49ers, 90’s Cowboys had the success they did by trading all their draft picks for the quick fix? No, they drafted within their limits. The fact we’ve had only two decent GMs in the past 20 years is why we’ve struggled for the better part of the last 20 years. I also wouldn’t call a top 5 LT a failed pick. We all saw what a piss poor tackle does to your QB, hello Marc Columbo. How well do you think any QB would do with two of him anchoring our OL?

Personally I’d feel comfortable with Henne behind center next year, I know many here don’t agree with me on this and that’s their right. I still think he has the talent to be a good starting QB in the NFL. It’s unfortunate Brian Daboll couldn’t figure out how to use our players until week 8 or 9. Everybody seems to be under the impression franchise QBs are so easy to find and acquire.

You want my number one reason for not going all crazy and “All In”. The New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, and Washington Redskins. They went “All In” over the past 5-6 years. How many Super Bowls have they won? Hell, how many Super Bowls have they even played in over that time span? The answer is none. You want to know why? Cause GMs that like to go “All In” don’t know how to stop until they finally destroy the franchise and cripple it for years. All for the sake of the quick fix. No Thank You.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Jets went "all-in"

And ended up with a quarterback who is ultimately going to be viewed as inferior to the quarterback we got in the second round the same year.

We all want our franchise to be one of the “elite” franchises. Green Bay and Pittsburgh are the two “elite” franchises in the NFL that stand above the rest. They both got their franchise quarterback in the late first round.

You want to know what those franchises would NEVER, EVER do?

Trade a boatload of picks to grab a college prospect. It just doesn’t work.

If we really have to draft a quarterback, the best bet would be to grab Landry Jones or Ryan Tannehill with the spot we have. Or trade down and grab one of them later in the first. Or maybe even Brandon Weeden?

by DolfanVince86 on Jan 3, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

and had arguably the best season of any rookie QB. ever.

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by BSerious72 on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Marino was not too shabby.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 3, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

3 rookie QB

Probably in this order:

Big Ben
Marino
Newton

any other contenders?

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by BSerious72 on Jan 3, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Id say thats about rite But Marino Did not start the year Woodly did big mistake!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We know and he was still epic.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Reconition is half the battle thx!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 4, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Great running game & Defence!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all in and rec'd

read your whole post and loved it. Very detailed and says it well.

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned — with a franchise QB, free agents may again think of Miami as a great destination in their search for a new team.

If we have to trade away the farm, we will suffer short term, but I think we would be okay after the 1st couple years. Luck or RGIII will put fannies in the seats for sure.

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by rintintinsoldier on Dec 28, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

i tried to mention that when I stated Andre Luck would be an even bigger acquisiton off the field

His talent (and RGIII’s too for that matter) will woo coaching and free agent vacancies to our squad who want to be a part of something special.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point on free agents

Miami is already a desired destination but as a team on the rise even more FA will want to sign.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 28, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Cant jump aboard guys...

i understand your point of views and i get where you are coming from. I think there are more than one way to find a frnchise QB in the NFL. I am not saying that you guys are wrong, I am just looking at many many other examples of good to great QB that teams didnt have to risk their future for. We have a good team, and i would be willing to bet that if we had 10 more games this season, we would win 8 of them. We are playing at a high level with a B QB right now. Replace Columbo and we have 3 more wins this season. Make Marshal hold on to the those drops in the endzone and we have 3 more wins this year. That is 11 wins we could hypothetically have if the players we have right now played to their poteential.
I understand how good everyone thinks Luck is going to be, but he wast even the best QB in college last year. I hear your arguments about his NFL potential, but that is all it is at this point, potential. David Carr was awesome in college, Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell dominated, where are they now. Outside of Alex Smith, the other two are either ridding pine or in jail.

RG3 scares me the most. I really lvoe watching him play and I do believe he is going to be a good QB. He reminds me of a Donovan Mcnabb type. Mobile, but more like the avoiding tackles and making plays with his feet mobile rather than the Mike Vick running first kind of QB.

I would love to land one of these two QBs, but i would rather have Barkley over both. That is not an option at this time, but that is just my thoughts. Fire away….

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by Phinphinatic on Dec 28, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Fair enough..

I just don’t see us truly competing for the championship (that IS the goal isnt it) with a new head coach and Matt Moore next year, or the next 3 years after that.

While we have a solid team and 2 great options available via the draft I think this is the absolute BEST time to make that long term investment to the QB position. Even with a top RT heading to next season I see this team as an 8-10 win team… Call me greedy but I want more than that, and if there is the chance that we go for all the marbles to get the one guy who can take us to 11-14 year seasons year after year……THEN SIGN ME UP.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not greedy at all, 8-10 wins means we are a fringe playoff team
Call me greedy but I want more than that

I want a team that will be the early season favorites to win the division every year.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I would agree with you if our team wasn't very good.

But like you said, our talent level right now means we are not gonna have a top 10 draft pick again any time soon. So Barkely is basically even harder to attain than Luck (because I suspect we’re a 9-10 win team no matter who’s under center next year). Giving up draft picks sucks, but hey Matt Moore will essentially wind up being Sanchez and we’ll wind up being the Jets. Subpar QB with tons of talent around him who never gets us over the hump and has us drafting in the mid 20’s every year. I’d gladly take Barkley too, but we’ll be in an even worse draft position next year to grab a franchise QB.

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by MMANDIA on Dec 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

having 6-8 wins year after year is prob the worst thing your team can do for long term success

and thats EXACTLY what will happen 3 years straight here in Miami

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by BSerious72 on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a good team, and i would be willing to bet that if we had 10 more games this season, we would win 8 of them. We are playing at a high level with a B QB right now. Replace Columbo and we have 3 more wins this season. Make Marshal hold on to the those drops in the endzone and we have 3 more wins this year. That is 11 wins we could hypothetically have if the players we have right now played to their poteential.

Right. And if Tony Romo hadn’t thrown those 4thQ interceptions, the Cowboys would be 12-3. And if Ahmad Bradshaw had been healthy the Giants are 11-4. And is Rivers hadn’t struggled early on the Chargers would be… I’m tired of hearing all these lame excuses. While we may have eked out an extra win or two in Columbo hadn’t sucked so bad or if Marshall caught more clutch passes, the fact is EVERY TEAM can say the same thing. And EVERY YEAR there will always be a weak link or two which drags down the win/loss category of the team.

This mediocrity hasn’t been isolated to this year or last, it’s been an ongoing ordeal since Marino’s twilight years. I can’t listen to these type of excuses anymore.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed
I can’t listen to these type of excuses anymore.

The frustrating part for me is I believe we are a better team then the Raiders, Broncos, Bengals, Texans and the Jets. Most of those teams are either in the playoffs or playing for a playoff spot in week 17. We just didn’t execute as a team and win the games we should have. Hopefully with a new HC and possibly a new QB we can win the close games and the game we should win.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone who has read anything I have been screaming about for the past six months knows.....

That I am definitely on board with this. Screw it, get a deal done….

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Very good post

3-13 4-12- 8-8 0r even 9- 7 with moore , who cares . All in !

by Robert Wise on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

maybe Jeff Fisher will be...

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by BSerious72 on Jan 10, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Heres a thought.

If we go all in lets say it costs us 3 firsts and 2 seconds and maybe more, and the guy is a flop, a bust, or gets hurt. WE ARE SCREWED FOR 10 MORE YEARS IF NOT MORE. Ponder that before you start yelling yeah Im in, if it goes south we will be the bottom dwellers for years to come…..I again repeat no, there has to be another way.

by Whippets2 on Dec 30, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, good point.

Let’s just stick with status quo then……..bottom dwellers for years to come.

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by MMANDIA on Dec 30, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

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by texascowpunk on Dec 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But drafting a QB is so scary!

I mean, sure, he could be awesome and we could finally matter again. But Ryan Leaf! Jamarcus Russell! I’m scared.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 31, 2011 11:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Your scared because..............well because your Nicky.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 31, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah... and just think ... if we draft a QB in the first round...

And he is no good…. WE COULD BE DOOMED TO 13 more years of irrelevance…. Oh… we got that anyway without drafting a QB to replace Marino…. I guess we might as well take a chance… at least then we HAVE A CHANCE… just saying…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 31, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan Marino drop more the 30 picks!

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by wild zion beaver on Dec 31, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Like that is not already going on!

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by texascowpunk on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

When the doors are closed the closets will creek hehehe!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 1, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a threesome.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 1, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you didnt read this then:

Possibilities for going ALL IN on a Franchise QB

1. He’s good. We have finally found our franchise QB. We win every game and SB for the next 10 years. Everything is well. Rejoice.

2. He’s not good. We have NOT found our franchise QB. We are in the EXACT position we are in now. Because of the fact that we have given up everything to get this guy, we really suck so we will probably end up with a TOP 5 draft pick within the next few years. We draft another TOP QB. He’s good. Refer back to Option 1. Rejoice.

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by BSerious72 on Dec 30, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem with possibility 2.

We aren’t in the exact position we are in now. We’re in an even worse position because now we have no QB, AND no high draft picks with which to try and get another one the next 2-3 years. At which point any decent players we had will have already bailed in FA, and we’re right back where we started in 2007. Starting another rebuilding process that will hopefully come to fruition by 2017.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 2, 2012 4:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We either take a chance or settle

I’d rather take a risk on getting an Andrew Luck or RG3 then settle on mediocrity QB play. Like I said Moore has been great, but it’s gonna take a miracle to get Matt Moore to the AFC Championship Game.

If he we do take a risk we’ll be 4-12 instead of 8-8. We might not have a 1st round pick the next year but if we do end up sucking (a la Tampa Bay this year) we’ll end up with a top 5 pick soon enough.

You have fun waiting for Moore or Henne to “develop” I’m ALL-IN, and im ALL-IN, NOW.

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by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the key statement.....
we’ll end up with a top 5 pick soon enough

Yeah, we will. After another team rebuilds with the 3 top 5 picks we gave away. At which point when we finally do have our own top 5 pick to use. All the good players we currently have on our roster will have left in FA or gotten old. Congratulations, but hey, at least we finally got another chance at a franchise QB.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 3, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

btw i like your sig lol

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by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL... that's EXACTLY where we are now

We have no QB AND no decent draft picks. We draft 8th or 9th which takes us out of the QB race and that’s the one position we DESPERATELY need. So we will draft another O-lineman and finish 7-9 again, meaning more mid round draft picks and more years of mediocrity. We either need to lose a bunch of games to get a top 3 draft pick (probanbly what we should have done this year) or catch lightning in a bottle and start winning.

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by The Earl on Jan 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

thats what i see too

we trade up for a qb or we stay put and draft a guard or tackle lol

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by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No, sorry. We're in a much better position now.

We may not have a QB, but at least we have a first round draft pick with which to potentially draft one. You’re missing the point of possibility 2. That scenario is that we trade up this year, and that QB is a failure. Now we still have no QB, and no first round draft picks for the next 2-3 years to try again. That is nothing similar to our current situation.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 3, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes, the end doesn't justify the means.

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by PotM on Jan 3, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You're GDAMN right I'm all in

I would prefer a mix of players and picks to mitigate the player personnel risk. Again, if STL gets the #1 overall pick, especially if Josh McDaniel doesn’t survive, I’d offer:

Brandon Marshall
Sign & trade with Soliai or Cameron Wake
2 First Round picks (including whatever high pick we get this year – call it #8 overall)
2 Second round picks
Filler (couple later round picks 2013 and beyond or lesser player like Misi)

For #1 pick overall – Andrew Luck.

I honestly think a trade like this could make STL relevant again quickly, by helping the run defense and badly need WR help for Bradford, along with extra picks to rebuild, while we get our QB for the next 12+ years. We can replace Marshall in FA and the loss of picks would not be devastating. Our second round draftees have been AWFUL the last few years. WIN-WIN for everybody.

Make it happen Ireland.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Dec 31, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Putting up the house, dog, all the money, and even contemplating adding the wife.

Now is the time to find out how much balls this FO has. Love to have Luck, but I think RG3 buys time for the rcvrs to get down field, minimizes the holding penalties on the OL, and bring that swag not just to the team, but fans as well. RG3 is Ross’s answer to ticket sales.

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by fin4three5yrs on Jan 1, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Agree.

What the hell, at least we can say they tried if it doesn’t work out.

"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.

by MMANDIA on Jan 2, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

This team is playing well

We just knocked the Jets out of the playoffs, we got confidence, we got swagger… a player like RGIII could put this team in a VERY good place, and as soon as next year….

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

From SI web site

Finally, just one more reason to kvetch this morning if you’re a Dolphins fan.

In mid-March 2006, the Miami Dolphins were trying to decide between trading for quarterback Daunte Culpepper with Minnesota or signing free agent quarterback Drew Brees of the Chargers. One problem: Brees was in the early stages of rehabbing after major shoulder surgery, an operation that left in doubt whether he’d be near 100 percent for the start of the 2006 season. Brees had a generous (all things considered) offer from New Orleans of six years and $60 million, which seemed a little risky considering the surgery.

On the night Miami had to decide which way to go, owner Wayne Huizenga was out to dinner with a friend in Palm City, Fla., not far from his personal golf club, The Floridian. "I want them to sign Brees,‘’ Huizenga said at one point. "They want Culpepper.’’ He said coach Nick Saban and the Dolphins’ football people were worried about Brees’ shoulder. Huizenga got a call on his cell phone and walked outside.

When he came back inside the restaurant, Huizenga said his football people were insistent that Culpepper, for reasons monetary and football and health, was a better choice than Brees. "I told them, they’re the football guys, not me,‘’ said Huizenga. But the owner repeated that if it were up to him, he’d have signed Brees.

Miami is 38-58 since, with zero playoff wins; the Dolphins will have their fifth head coach since that night (including interim boss Todd Bowles) sometime in the next month. New Orleans is 62-34, with a Super Bowl win, with one coach.

Amazing how much damage one shortsighted decision can do to an organization.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/01/01/week.17/index.html#ixzz1iKKPszd6

by dansama on Jan 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Yes we all know. Can we please stop reliving the past and look to the future?

Seriously how many times does this need to be rehashed on this site?

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude

by texascowpunk on Jan 2, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you know we passed on Aaron Rodgers?

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I know this of course.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude

by texascowpunk on Jan 2, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

lol thought id let you hear it for the 8000th time

thats what some people like to do…

whine and complain about the past rather than do something about it.

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I am over all that but also want to forget about it and move on. Tell me about the QB I can get now

not about how I could have had Tom Brady in the 6th or whatever years ago.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude

by texascowpunk on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Or 4th and so on.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude

by texascowpunk on Jan 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And Brees originally in the draft :)

"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.

by MMANDIA on Jan 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh.................

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude

by texascowpunk on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd drink heavily but I'm still in BLISS after yesterdays win

I’d think this would make people MORE apt to try to find our guy and don’t worry about draft picks

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 2, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Another wasted season

I agree do whatever it takes to move up in the draft to pick either Luck or RG3. We are not getting anywhere drafting QBs in the second round or signing/trading for other teams backups. Enough is enough.

Lets build a solid foundation with a possible elite QB, after that everything will fall into place. I am tired of being mediocre and always looking forward to the draft and next season.

If I was dolphins GM, no player would be un-tradeable it would just be means to an end of what I am trying to accomplish. I know most of us would not want to trade pauncey, long, marshall, davis but sometimes we have to give up something of value to receive a potential elite QB.

What would it take to move up to either the 1st pick or 2nd pick? I think it would be easier to trade with the rams.

I would want to offer a similar deal to what the jets offered the browns in order to draft sanchez. The browns received the jets #17 and #52 and some marginal players while the jets got the browns #5.

How about our 1st and 2nd round picks some marginal players and marshall for the rams #2 pick? i would do it in a heartbeat.

by PoCKeT AceS on Jan 2, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

I've been ALL IN since Week 9!!!!

Great post…now lets see if this Organization has the nuts to DO IT!!!

by destro954 on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

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