Dolphins at Patriots - Dolphins Fall 27-24 to the Patriots
by Kevin Nogle on Dec 24, 2011 4:28 PM EST
in 2012 Miami Dolphins News
Email
PrintThe Miami Dolphins lost to the New England Patriots 27-24 today. The Dolphins had a better performance this week than they did against the Patriots in Week 1 this year.
Highlighting the game for the Dolphins was Reggie Bush, who topped the 1,000 yard mark in a season for the first time in his career. Bush's milestone is the first Dolphins running back to eclipse the 1,000 yard total since Ricky Williams two years ago.
Dolphins quarterback Matt Moore had trouble holding on toe ball today, fumbling three times, with Davone Bess adding a fumble of his own. Moore did finish the game 17 for 33, for 294 yards. He found the end zone three times, and was intercepted once.
Brandon Marshall caught 7 passes for 156 yards and a touchdown.
The defense pressured Tom Brady all day, tallying sacks from Jason Taylor, Cameron Wake, Randy Starks, and Yeremiah Bell.
However, Brady was able to turn a 17-0 halftime deficit into a 27-24 victory.
Overall, it was a better performance against the Patriots than in Week 1 - but the Patriots are simply a better team. The Dolphins kept it close, but New England came up big when it counted.
Watch for kmb8488's full recap in the morning, and use this as your live thread for the rest of the day.
303 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I'm sick to my stomach
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Patriots!
Yeah, same...
Yesterday’s game is a perfect example of what sets apart a mediocre team like Miami from a annual winner like the Pats…
I hated the coaching in the second half
no pressure!
Matt Moore played well except for all of his game changing mistakes.
I have to wonder, if vontae had made that int, how the game may have ended out.
I am thoroughly disappointed in the 2nd half effort of the defense.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Patriots!
Well to be fair alot of things went wrong.
Not only on defense. We blew assignments in protection, turned the ball over, Matt Moore missed plenty of throws. There were alot of things that went into this in the second half.
We were beaten as a team in the second half. It should also be pointed out how much we missed Tony Sparano today. Todd Bowles has used great judgement allowing our two coordinators to coordinate with no interference, however as momentum shifted hard in the third Quarter we had no leadership at Head Coach. Tony Sparano’s energy and passion was badly needed. Not for effort, the effort was there but for attitude and focus.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
agreed
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins and beat those Jets!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 24, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to Moore's arm he was throwing real soft looked like cp10 again in the 2nd half
by DPHIN on Dec 24, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not really sure, but the wind might have picked up
they said something about that on TV
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
This sucks ass.
2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.
Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.
Magnamnumus 1st half Bradys timing was shot all to hell, then Nolan let up man coverage was working well!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
"the Patriots are simply a better team. The Dolphins kept it close, but New England came up big when it counted."
I dont really agree with this statement Mosul. The Pats have one of the greatest Quarterbacks of all time, one of the greatest coaches of all time and some awesome offensive explosion at runningback, Tight End and good diversity at Receiver. However they have a patchwork offensive line riddled with injuries and problems all over the place on defense accentuated (but no exclusively at all due to) injuries. For the most part we have better persoennel IMO.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
*personnel
However the second part of your statement is right on. They had no quit and maintained intense focus.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
you're forgetting one point
they have Tom Brady. There’s a reason he’s possibly the best QB in NFL History. And you wonder why Dolphins Fans, myself included, would be willing to SELL THE FARM to trade up and get Luck or Griffin.
If this Dolphins team had Andrew Luck, and Andrew Luck is as good as people say he will be, this team is good enough to go to the SB.
SELL THE FARM- Bring Luck or Griffin to Miami.
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
I'm off the RG3 train...
look up an article from NFL regarding RG3. Regardless who we draft Matt Moore will be starting week 1. The only way that even gets close to changing would be if we got Andrew Luck.
by Phins4life2334 on Dec 24, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Jets lost, at least a little consolation....
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Which sucks.
Hopefully now that the Eagles have nothing to play for, they’ll be lousy against them next week. However, for that to mean anything we’d have to lose to the Jets (which would be much worse than this loss) Either way we should be trading up in that draft so it really shouldn’t matter.
I'm not draft tracking like you dudes....
Just happy the Jets lost….
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Trade down pick up sumones #1 next draft,there maybe also a third this year then take Landry!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
What time is the game against the Jets next week?
Can we knock them out of the playoffs or is there a chance they’ll be eliminated before then? They’re still alive, but now need help after losing to the Giants
Ok cool, thanks
At least it’s a Sunday schedule so I can watch the games since I’ll be home for the holiday. This Saturday stuff missing all the games wasn’t too pleasant..
Since I didn’t see the game today, any overall thoughts on how Moore looked today? I got a couple opinions in the game thread, just trying to get any info i can
deceiving in the box score.
I would say he cost us the game. Two fumbles for losses helped the pats big time.
If brandon makes those catches, there is no fumbles..............................!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have to go back and break down every snap but...
asa whole he made plenty of mistakes. He missed throws he has to make all over the place, he got jittery under pressure, he took critical sacks and didnt exude the leadership qualities that we so badly needed when it started to go bad. However plenty of things went wrong.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
To be fair, the whole team as a whole made plenty of mistakes
As much as it would be nice to simply blame one person, you cannot. This loss starts from the littlest guy on the field all the way up to the coaching staff.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no, it was all the waterboy's fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
wonderful H2o crystals!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 27, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
The most demoralizing thing is how as it got harder them more mistakes the team made
including Matt.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I think this game was a perfect example of why we need a coaching change and QB from the draft
Moore couldn’t take care of the ball when he needed to the most and we played way too conservatively for my liking.
The end of the first half pissed me off. We had 2:50+ left on the clock and we do not try to push the ball downfield.
Seems like we say that after every game huh?
Agreed, we need those positions to be addressed. We’ll definitely have a new HC, now sure about QB though. Depends if we trade up and get one
You are forgetting how the defense couldnt make pertinent stops, the reicevers couldnt catch well placed throws....the oline couldnt make key blocks
The coaching staff couldnt grab the game by the balls, the list goes on and on. For every one mistake you can claim from Moore, there are two or three you could put on the rest of the team.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Noone is saying that Matt Moore bears full responsibilty for this loss though
to make that claim would be absurd. What people are saying is that when we needed him to make plays he didnt, when the team needed a spark he couldnt give it and as the offense began to break down the worse Moores struggles got.
Im not saying he isnt the answer. Im intensely analyzing every snap hes taken right now to get closer to making that assessment and Im going to break down every play from this game but Im not going to say that he is either.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Ummm could be said that they are without saying it....
Every post says its proof that we need a QB more than we need anything else. Despite Long being injured for the third time this year,despite the lack of a secondary once Vontae went down, despite the lack of oline pressence once Long went down, despite the fact that bpth of our runningbacks may or may not be out next week against the Jets, despite the lack of a threatening pass rush to take some of the burden off of Wake, the lack of push from the center of the defensive line, the list goes on and on.
By only stipulating on the QB position and arguing to handycap ourselves further by giving up multiple players and picks for one, two or three years, and not allowing ourselves to address these other needs, it is in fact pinning the blame and responsibility solely on Moores shoulders.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why can't we address lesser needs through free agency?
Everyone seems to forget about free agency. 4 of our best players were signed and or traded for, not drafted (Dansby, Wake, Bush, and Marshall). So we can address several positions through free agency.
Another thing everyone forgets is that most draft picks miss. You aren’t going to fill needs with EVERY single pick. Remember drafting Misi two years ago to be the pass rusher opposite Wake? Still need to fill that position. We are never going to have a complete team before we draft a QB. And right now, we are good enough to risk trading up and drafting a first round QB.
About the game, Long went down, and we scored 2 TDs immediately after that. Our tackles did give up 3 sacks, but all three could have been avoided if Moore had better pocket presence. Our secondary struggled with or without Davis in there. We were able to get 4 sacks against a good O-line and a QB who is adept at sidestepping pressure.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
We can do that, but addressing Cornerback position in the FA could get expensive
A RT can as well, OLB may be cheaper, but they get paid just as much if not more than MLB’s so we should handicap ourselves further by spending up to 40 mil on the LB spot as well? Meaning 40 mil total for all four spots, seeing as Cam is also going to need an extension soon.
As for the better pocket pressence, lets get one thing straight, you have a paper bag playing RT, and someone that was rumored to be off the team next year playing LT, and you dont get rattled? Please. Not to mention you have a RG playing LG, a RT playing RG and a rookie at Center as well as loosing not only your starting RB, but your backup one as well. Also your already missing your starting TE, and your not going to be just a little razzled that your next? Especially seeing as youve already suffered a concussion this season.
Your defense losses its starting CB, they are holding your only pass rusher every down, and your franchise guy is tired enough to fold the middle of the field into ample opportunities to score.
Yes, Matt Moore is the problem here, yet hes an undrafted rookie that managed to give you a 14 point lead and then a 17 point lead, not only to pull you within a field goal after the team collectively squandered an advantageous lead after the halftime mark.
Quick, call the Colts now.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 9:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Frirst of all, Matt Moore is not an undrafted rookie...
He’s been in the league since 2007. Yes, he went undrafted, but he’s not a rookie now.
As for the CB position, we only need to sign a guy if we plan on trading Smith.
As for RT, they will be MUCH cheaper than any pass rusher as RTs are simply less important than pass rushers.
Concerning pocket presence, that has nothing to do with who we have playing O-line. Pocket presence is about how Matt Moore sense the pass rush and what he does to avoid it. Three of the five sacks today were a direct result of Moore’s lack of pocket presence, not because of his blockers. Moore showed poor pocket presence even when he had Long playing. And given that Brady’s line was shaky today, he still showed great pocket presence.
Concerning the pass rush, we still got 4 sacks against an O-line that doesn’t surrender many sacks. Our franchise player Soliai, is a NT. He’s not giving up the middle of the field to ample scoring opportunities to score.
And Moore, he had ample opportunities to lead the team down the field several times to score and build a lead. Yet he didn’t do it. But I guess you are going to blame that on Tyrone Culver or someone. I mean it can’t be Moore’s fault at all that he missed throws, fumbled, and threw a back breaking INT.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
When comparing their pocket pressence
You are comparing apples to oranges my friend. Brady may be a sixth rounder, but he has been in the NFL and on the same team for many years now.
And yes, pocket pressence has every bit to do with the oline, you are thinking of pocket awareness, which i agree, Moore does need to work on, but that is coachable.
Here is the thing, I am not arguing that we couldnt do with an upgrade at QB, however, i am trying to be reasonable in the sense that we cant hinder ourselves by thinking we can simply abandon everything else and simply focus on that, while hindering our strengths by trading away valuable assets.
As for corner, even if we dont trade Smith, we still need an upgrade. You cant say that we can be good enough at one position, and turn around and say that good enough isnt good enough for another. We saw as Vontae went down, our production in the secondary diminished. Quite frankly, we simply cannot afford to have one missing piece affect our team like this. Thats why i proposed that we go after one of the better corners in the NFL. Even if it means allowing Soliai and Langford to walk, and positioning ourselves to playing a 4-3.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To say that Matt Moore bears responsibility for a loss
is absolutely absurd. We are deeply indebted to him and he allows the team to execute such aggressive and diverse gameplans. Fans position Dolphinfan4lyfe is simple. They understand that at the NFL level every team has incredible talent as well problems on their roster. We all understand the complexitiy of our defeats and the dillemma that we have at Quarterback (hence the posts Im writing about Matt Moore).
What fans are saying (and I hate to talk for anyone else but I believe that this is a general consensus) is that first and foremost (coupled with coaching) finding our longterm solution at Quarterback is absolutely vital moving forward. Now im not saying that Matt Moore isnt that solution but before sufficient pass rush at OLB, badly needed depth at Cornerback, needs at Safety , before the glaring hole at Right Tackle, the John Jerry dillemma e.t.c. e.t.c is understanding where we are at Quarterback.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
DC put them in that position...
Playing off and zone..then in 5 wide you’re forced to run man…and thats where you get beat. Should’ve just kept up the pressure. Force them to bring guys in and take away the 5 wide.
by Phins4life2334 on Dec 24, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
qb in the draft??
U guys still believe if u bring a rookie qb in that he will handle nfl pressure better?? Really?? Cam is exciting but if he was here throwing those ints he has everyone would be calling for his head as well. He looks good at times & looks bad. All qbs do that but the better ones are consistantly good.
by Fintastic47 on Dec 24, 2011 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can give a rookie some slack
being as that they are a rookie and all. What you don’t want is a QB that is several years into his career, like Henne and Moore, that still can’t handle pressure. You expect a learning curve with a rookie, so no fan who knows what they are talking about would call for the head of a rookie.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Just as you can give Moore some slack for being an undrafted free agent whom had limited time to gel with a new team
Be it him being in the league 1 year, or 4, or even as a rookie.
What you cant make excuses for is our “Franchise” NT whom handicapped us by allowing his agent to put more value on him than he was worth, a group of captains that couldnt embrace the leadership role once our playmakers went out, or the simple fact that Brandon Marshall missed multiple catches this game alone that could have led to a bigger hole for the Pats to dig themselves out of.
Truth is, if you fault Moores inability.to hang on to the ball, you also must fault Pouncey for botched snaps, AGAIN, Marshall for dropping catches, AGAIN, and even Mike Nolan for going to prevent, AGAIN.
But we dont here nothing about these thing, only the vinicative responses about how Matt Moore is not the answer, and how we need to do EVERYTHING in our power to replace him, even at the expense of totally demolishing the strengths of this team by trading away picks and players to obtain a QB.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 9:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont understand why you continue to attack Paul Soliai Dolphinfan
Soliai is easily one of the best players on this team and is a huge reason for the success this team has on the line. Clubs enter the game with the full intention of getting Soliai off of the field so they have invented packages that force the Dolphins out of the base 3-4 defense that teams simply can’t run the ball up the middle on. Instead teams stretch the Dolphins out to either get Soliai off of the field or isolate him on one side of the field in the “Big” Nickel to allow more lee-way when running the ball. It should also be noted that even against the Nickel teams have success running off tackle not up the middle.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Because unlike Moore, he is our franchise guy
The one that thought he was better than the Wilfork money he was offered. If anything him refusing to accept a long term contract was the one difference this offseason that could have resulted in different choices due to finacial restraints having been lifted.
Bottom line, he is making 12.3 million dollars this season. He is supposed to be better than he is. Part of the problem with our pass rush stems from him folding from his job description.
Yet, I can argue the same thing about not understanding how everyone can say we cant make excuses for Moore, when first off, he was a backup elevated into the starter role, and didnt command a huge contract just to get him here. For 2.6 million, i can find more excuses for him than i can for a guy that overvalues himself to the sum of 12.3 million. Or even to the tune of 9.26 that drops more passes than he catches in the endzone…
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely WRONG
Bottom line, he is making 12.3 million dollars this season. He is supposed to be better than he is. Part of the problem with our pass rush stems from him folding from his job description.
I think you are confused as to what his job description is. He’s a 3-4 NT which means he’s not supposed to get a ton of pass pressure. His job is to stuff the run… which he does. On many passing downs, he comes off the field, as do many NTs.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
You mistake my meaning, I mean he ties up multiple linemen to open up room for the pass rush
Not that he played part in the pass rush itself, but in tue aiding of other players to do so. It is the job of three linemen to block 5. A job that isnt being done, and that starts with Soliai.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 10:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Soliai does his job. We aren’t getting a pass rush for other reasons.
Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win
by 54 on Dec 25, 2011 7:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lets be honest here....
I wouldn’t say they have a better team… they have a better QB. When he needed to make plays he fumbled. We were also missing our TE though and a case can be made for missing our TE too, but overall I think it is pretty obvious what we need to upgrade next year. More and more, I am happy with the way this team plays overall, but we are missing one piece. I really think we need to give up as many picks as it takes to get Luck. In the 2nd round we go after a new NT, and in the 3rd round we get the best backup TE we can find.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
I wasn't talking about your team....
I was talking about ours. I was giving that as an excuse why Matt Moore looked bad in the 2nd half. It had nothing to do with what your team was missing.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
oh ... and... go back to your own site troll....
I was talking about our team only… not yours. I was contrasting how much better your team is with a winning QB than ours is with a placeholder QB.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bring them back. You're still awful on D.
We didn’t have Jake Long or Fasano. Can’t play the injury bug game. Everybody is missing starters.
by Phins4life2334 on Dec 24, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Our secondary would be improved.
But yeah, New England is missing the entire OL, secondary, a LB, their BEST DL in Andre Carter (aside from wilfork), Myron Pryor one of their better pass rushing DL.
I mean, the pats have injuries too ya know. I think the pats are a better team simply because their offense has great chemistry, and Brady is a master at dissecting defenses. The pats defense needs a ton of work, but they have promise.
Miami has excellent talent, and I think they are a very good QB away from being a playoff contender. I think a QB, and maybe a safety is all you guys need. Please beat the jets next week, because I enjoy their misery. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
We did help ourselves with having to give up less to move up this week though....
How is that for a silver lining????
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
Would have been better if the damn Skins won
Well maybe them losing will force this team to trade up even more so.
quick points
Moore proved he’s not the answer
defense did its job, no one can consistently stop those 3 yard spread offense passes.
need a free safety. Culver/Jones played like shit.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Dec 24, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions
defense did their job in the first half
they were dreadful in the second half. missed way too many tackles and got little to no pressure on the qb.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins and beat those Jets!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 24, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Its impossible to get pressure on those 1-3 yard passes. Everyone misses tackles on Gronk.
Still they gave Matt Moore and our offense multiple chances to put the game away and win. They couldn’t do it.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Dec 24, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
agreed.
Its tough to get pressure when tom is in shotgun and throwing after a 3 step drop. Every play down the field…it was culver coming up and standing over the guy that he should’ve been covering. Jones and Culver we’re weak links in there.
by Phins4life2334 on Dec 24, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
We currently have the 8th pick in the draft
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
i feel like we need to trade up esp if RG3 is entering the draft
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not opposed to trading up for Luck, especially if the Rams get the first pick
assuming we can whittle the price down enough.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
right, 4 first rounders is a huge price... but an elite qb was the difference today and until we don't go after one, we'll always lose these type of games
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Dec 24, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think the price will come down to 2 firsts, some other picks and some players
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
which might be jake long
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Dec 24, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
but still, i agree with you
it comes down to rams or colts at 1
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Dec 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
there is virtually no chance that we trade Jake Long
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
To move up will require IMO
something like 2 First rounders, a late round pick and a defensive starter and two or three other players. Thats a massive price Earl.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
2 firsts, a second, fifth, Randy Starks and Sean Smith would be my offer
I would make that trade in a second if they would take it.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Why not?
Other than offering next year’s first, that is a great trade. We aren’t that great at drafting second rounders anyway, so we are saying ourselves the trouble of missing that pick anyway. The fifth rounder is just a deal sweetener. Starks is a good defensive lineman, but we have a ton of good DEs, including a first round pick in Odrick. We are going to have to offer someone that is valuable. We aren’t trading the likes of Culver to get anything. Smith is regressing, but the Rams might think they can turn him around. If Smith is too much to offer, then offer Bess or Hartline or some other player that can be replaced. Personally, I think Smith would put the deal over the top as opposed to Bess or Hartline.
So with that trade we lose 4 picks, one from next year, and two players who we can replace fairly easily… AND we get the best QB prospect to enter the draft in years. What’s not to love about that trade?
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
The only problem I have with that trade is that I don't think the Rams would take it
but they could. We could throw in a few of our backup O-linemen if needed.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Also as you mentioned that may not be enough.
No matter if the pick is Indys or St. Louis’ they will probably trade out. If St. Louis has the pick I think it will be slighly more costly because there is much less chance they don’t trade out. It will however will still be extremely expensive.
If its Indy there is a chance that they don’t trade it (although they still probably will) which only increases its value.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I think it's the opposite
If STL has the pick it will be cheaper because they have Bradford. Indy has Manning, but Manning is at the end of his career; Bradford isn’t. Indy could keep Manning and draft Luck and it would make some sense. It would make NO sense for STL to keep Bradford and draft Luck. They could draft a LT or WR or something at #1 overall, but they would do better to trade out.
I think Indy has more leverage in dictating price. They don’t have to get rid of the pick and can draft Luck. STL can’t keep the pick and draft Luck. So therefore, STL will be more likely to trade, making the demand slightly less and the price slightly cheaper.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I mispoke in the first paragraph and spoke correctly in the second.
The pick will be more expensive if the Colts have it because there will be less chance that they trade out.
You said exactly what I was trying to say, and said in the second paragraph.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Yeah, we are definitely rooting for the Colts next week
If St. Louis gets the #1 pick they would love to be in a position to trade with us.
We will get our franchise QB and they will get a bunch of picks and players from us so that they can contend.
Is the Rams lock up the #1 pick, I will be very confident that they will be in talks with Miami (and probably a few other teams for that matter)
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
I hope they do because if they take Luck
I’m starting to think Indy is desperate enough they’ll take RG III with the 2nd pick. Neither team may be willing to trade in that scenario… Hopefully St. Louis will be ok with trading the top pick (Luck) but they may decide to trade Bradford instead.
by phinsphan85 on Dec 24, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know Earl. I have very mixed feelings
I hate giving up that kind of depth. Randy Starks is a very important player on this team. Remember that earlier in the year the Dolphins were having major problems generating pass rush and this Dolphins team is somewhat unusual in that despite running the 3-4 we are reliant upon on our Defensive Ends as much as any other players on the team to generate interior pass rush. Its the way this team is built. Randy Starks is a major piece of the front in the running game and as a pass rusher. One of the primary reasons the Dolphins were struggling generating pass rush is because the lack of depth at Defensive End. Tony McDaniel wasnt able to stay healthy and Phillip Merling missed time (along with how raw jared Odrick was and how far he has come). As soon as we lose depth at Defensive End (especially a player the caliber of Starks and one who was so much responsibility on our front) we will begin to lose that pass rush.
Losing that pass rush coupled with losing Sean Smith our current number two corner at a position where the Dolphins need depth as it is and we are suddenly losing valuable depth that we cant afford to lose heading into a draft missing our second round pick.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
But you have to give up value to get value
Depth at DE is great, but right now it’s a luxury. If we were thin at talent there, then I would be reluctant. But we have a good LE in Langford and an emerging force with Odrick. Merling and McDaniel are adequate as backups. So our depth wouldn’t take that big of a hit.
Since it’s going to take something of value to get a high pick, you want to trade a player at a position that you can absorb the loss without too much drop off. Starks would have value to the Rams as a 4-3 DT and we can absorb that loss without losing too much on the D-line.
As for Smith, I think he’s regressing and he will likely be replaced in a season or two anyway. The Rams need help at CB and we would sell high on Smith. We could prepare for this by signing a decent CB in free agency. Heck, Will Allen is talking about playing a little longer, so start him. Plus we can develop guys like Carroll (who has improved this season) and Wilson (a rookie with playmaker potential). If we did trade up, we can draft a CB in 2013 in the 2nd round.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Well there are a few different issues here
The first is a difference in agreement about where we are at at Defensive End. Randy Starks is probably our most well-rounded Defensive End. He is a cornerstone in our base 3-4 front who can play on both sides of the formation and generates vital pass rush that we lack from OLB. He also starts in our Nickel and Dime packages and again generates the best pass rush outside of Wake which is unuaual for a 3-4 defense. There was a point earlier in the year when Pass rush looked to be maybe the most important need on defense when Tony McDaniel was suffering from his lingering injuries, Philip Merling was in and out of the lineup and obviously Jared Odrick came into the season extremely raw due to his stunted development last season and his development has been a major storyline on the Defensive Line. My point is this as soon as you begin to sacrifice depth at such a vital position (especially when he is a very important force in pass rush as well on your defense) we begin to risk the success we have been able to find in the second half of the season. I think losing Starks would be a major hit to that squad which would have to be recuperated from with an expensive venture into Free Agency. Its also difficult because thsi team is unique in its design. Most 3-4 clubs dont depend Defensive Ends for pass rush unlike the Dolphins which makes transition to thsi system that much harder. Look how long it took Tony McDaniel to become the player he is now when traded from Jacksonville. Look at how far Randy Starks has come in Miami.
As for Cornerback there are two issues here. First is Sean Smith and his play. I find it very strange that you think he is regressing. I think he has become more disciplined in coverage, hes far less prone to give up big plays, he has gotton much better as a press man corner (hes obviously been replicating Nnamdi Asomugha in my eyes as they have such similar body structure. As time passes I see more and more similarities in their movement), his timing and decision making in off man coverage has gotton infinitely better in closing space and he has put on muscle mass which helps him at the line and as an open field tackler. He still has things to work on but I think he has had a very good season. He hasn’t had the interception oppurtunities this season largely because Mike Nolan uses him far more now in man coverages (very often press which we needed so badly yesterday and he can play) but he has become the better corner for it.
However with Sean Smith, Vontae Davis and Will Allen we still have vital depth problems at Cornerback. For starters as well as Will Allen has played this season he is 33 years old and will be 34 next season and has greatly benefited from the move to Nickel Corner this season. Jimmy Wilson will be a very good player in the NFL and Im happy to have him and I agree that Nolan Carroll continues to improve however Cornerback depth is absolutely vital in the NFL and we only have two cornerbacks of starting caliber that play the widest positions. Signing a cornerback in free agency would vastly improve a fairly thin rotation at the position.
To lose Sean Smith changes an oppurtunity into a glaring hole that already suffers from a lack of depth.
Obviously I understand how vital the Quarterback postion is, but to make the judgement that Matt Moore isn’t the longterm answer for the franchise is too hasty. To make the judement that he isn’t sacrifices a great oppurtunity to add critical pieces to this roster in the offseason. Its the most pressing question for this franchise.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
PFF rates Smith as the second worst CB in the NFL
I’m not saying they are the end-all of football knowledge. But they do have a decent rating system and they are usually pretty accurate in their assessments. Smith started out very well, but has gotten worse in his rating. I think Smith will be replaced as a starter at some point whether he is on the team or not. Might as well sell high on him. Davis is our top CB right now and will probably stay there.
My issue with Starks is that his position is not that vital. 3-4 DEs aren’t nearly as critical as their 4-3 counterpart. Rarely do 3-4 DEs generate a great pass rush. Their job is to take on blocks to let the OLBs get to the passer. And I agree that when the season started, Starks was a necessary piece since we didn’t know what Odrick brought to the table. However, Odrick has emerged as a starting caliber player. He not only can play 3-4 DE at a high level, he can play 4-3 DT and even 4-3 DE as he has shown decent ability to rush the passer (he has lined up as an end in a 4 man front this season).
Again, this comes down to trading what you can afford to lose without taking a major hit. Trading Marshall or Long as some have suggested is not going to work because the team would be weakening areas that we cannot afford to be weak in. While the CB position is thin, losing Smith would be less of a hit because I think we can replace him with a decent FA or even with players currently on the team. With Starks, we have Odrick to replace him in every alignment we use. Odrick is playing at a high level right now and I think we could afford to lose some depth at D-line without losing too much in our defense.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I have only heard good things about their
rating system and to be honest I haven’t put the time or attention into their rating system or how it works to make any assessment on it. However on the surface I disagree with this one. I think Sean Smith has come along way as a man corner this season especially in press coverage.
As for the issue of depth at cornerback I completely disagree. The loss of Smith impacts a thin position on this team (and with a starter) just as the loss of Jake Long or Cam Wake would. Cornerback is a position in desperate demand in the NFL, like Offensive Tackle, so the cost of cornerbacks in free agency is massive. Last season Asomugha signed with the Eagles in a 5 year 60 million dollar deal with 25 million dollars in guaranteed money, Johnathan Joseph signed in Houston for 5 years 48.75 million with 23.5 million guaranteed. Stanford Routt resigned in Oakland for 3 years 31.5 million which was in August extended to 5 years 54.5 million (with less percentage of his total deal in guaranteed money). With a need already existing at Cornerback to expose the team the team further and into the current market holds the same dangers.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
We aren't deep enough at DB to do that without siging a big name CB in FA
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
then sign a big name CB in FA...
heck, we could just sign a decent name and be good enough. If that player sucks for a season, then we can draft a CB in 2013.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
we had a chance to St. louis saftey no!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
id take back the 5th rounder and offer vernon carey instead
All of the three teams who may get it need Olineman, and jerry is good enough to start instead of carey.
Other than that, id take that trade in a heartbeat.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think they'd want Carey, but it wouldn't hurt to try... LOL
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
hell, throw in colombo while your at it.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I want to make the trade, not kill it... LOL
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
true
I’m pretty sure we would have to give teams picks as compensation for giving them colombo.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Lmao!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
how about starks as well!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
he's already in there
Anyways, we have too much depth at Dline as is. Start odrick and langford, with mcdaniel, merling, ryan baker and maybe a late round pick for depth.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd give up Two Firsts, practically ALL of our picks this year and Cam Wake.
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Glad you're not in charge
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
thats fine alpha
but the falcons gave up their hole draft, and that was for a WR.
This is the year to do it.. make it happpen
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
I agree on getting a QB... but not the entire draft... Idk
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
im looking long term.. QB is not the only weakness on this team
But i’d look at this way I’d rather have a franchise QB than a RT, OLB and TE combined.
First round picks are great but look at our last two picks.
Are you telling me you wouldn’t rather have Andrew Luck over Pouncey and Odrick?
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
The Jets gave up practically an entire draft for Sanchez and a Runningback
How did that work out? The difference between us and the Falcons is that they believed that they were in position to make such a move. We however are not.
Now dont get me wrong, I know comparing Luck to Sanchez is like comparing I-95 to Tamiami Trail, but that isnt the point I am making.
The point is, while some trades look good or even great on paper, sometimes they can have implications that can kill a team in the long run.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 26, 2011 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't give up Wake because he is our only pass rusher
IMO, a dynamic pass rusher is the second most important position on the field. I would rather give up some lesser impact players like Smith or Starks before giving up Wake.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Am I the only one who thinks Wake is overrated?
I like Wake alot but he’s a passrusher that has one purpose to get pressure. I feel as if he’s fast and strong but doesn’t have the moves in his repertoire to be one of the best.
His sole goal is to get to the QB and make pressure and he only has 8 sacks. He’s good, but he has hit his peak and will be 30. He’s expendable IMO
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
BUT i do agree with you that we need help at OLB
and Wake IS our best passrusher. It probably wouldn’t be wise to trade away the only guy on our team that can get sacks lol
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
I completely disagree with this.
If you watch how teams play us you will realize that teams give him tremendous respect which allows us to do other things defensively that without an extremely potent and disciplined pass rusher you wouldnt be able to do. Despite getting the respect every week that he does as well he is still our most dangerous pass rusher and has developed into an extremely effective player in the running game and in the screen game. To lose Wake would have a major impact on this team.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
cant get to the QB when you are being held every play
Especially when the refs turn a blind eye to it.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 9:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
PFF has Wake rated as the best 3-4 OLB in the league this year
He is constantly doubled and held, yet he still has 8 sacks and who knows how many pressures. Plus he holds up well against the run too.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
ok then maybe im just undervaluing him due to his sacks number not being so high
dont get me wrong i love wake i just think he is only getting older and if we can replace him with a OLB in the draft or something for a chance to get Luck we go for it.
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
I agree with this
STL or Indy are NOT going to trade Luck for Starks and Sean Smith. It would take a core player like Wake or Long, 2-3 firsts, a second, a fourth and another player or two. You want to make a deal for Luck by giving up a an extra 1st rounder, a couple other picks + Sean Smith you’re dreaming.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Is that the price? 4 1st rounders? wow ...
Not saying we don’t do that … but it would be nice if the price was lower ….
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
that's what they are asking, but unless Dan Snyder gets involved
it won’t be the selling price. And if is, then they might as well say “We aren’t trading the pick”.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I would offer 2 1sts and 2 2nds...
I can’t see someone jumping and offering more than that for a guy that has not taken a single NFL snap, who also has questions about his arm strength.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I would try to hold on to the 2013 second rounder if possible
but if what you said would get the trade done, then I would do it.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I would go 1, 2 and 3 for 2012 and 2013 if that got the job done...
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's 6 picks and I think that's too much
You would be handicapping your team a little too much with that. I’d rather spend most or all picks from one single draft and throw in only one for next years draft (if necessary) before giving away picks from the future draft.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
We'll be in the top ten no, why not trad down get more ammo!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
If the Rams want to trade Bradford and we could get him without using a first rounder
then I would trade down for sure.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
To think the Rams would have the #1 pick right now if they lost to the Saints
But they get a huge upset there. This really has been a season full of lousy luck for us. Not that the Rams win was lucky, they outplayed them. But for those that would rather have the Rams have the #1 overall pick, that’s a game that really hurts now
by phinsphan85 on Dec 24, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm against this...
We’re assuming we’ll be to keep everyone down the road..and not having these number 1’s to continue to build through the draft. U think we’ll keep Marshall, Bush, Vonte, and Smith? Dansby, Barnett? can’t keep all of them….and we’ll need 1’s to get this machine going. I think we’ll end up just like we had with Dan. 1 guy…and a bunch of average guys. …
by Phins4life2334 on Dec 24, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
this is the year to trade up
there is no huge need to address other than QB and nows the time to start going after elite prospects
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Dec 24, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
So offensive line, cornerback, Free safety, and opposite pass rusher arent pressing needs?
Lets be honest here. First and foremost, Starks is playing better than Langford, and I would feel more comfortable with a lineup that had both Odrick and Starks in there. Langford is well enough for what he is, but lets not make the mistake of thinking our lineup is just as good without Starks.
Second off, for all the mistakes the offense made, there were just as many made by the defense. Sure we could have scored more, but cmon, Wes Welker is like 50 or the NFL eqquivalent to it. You cant tell me that we couldnt have stopped him if we had a CB or FS that could keep up with him.
That is the problem i have in throwing it all in for a QB…. While it is the most pressing need, it isnt the ONLY need, and wed basically be turning this team back into what it was when Marino was here. Which is all fine and well until you realize that only having him never got us to where we are saying Luck or whomever is going to take us.
Basically, in not saying it, you are saying that any of these two guys are better than Marino? And if you say no, then why in the hell are you trying to handicap the team further by putting the young guy in such a position to fail??
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Starks is a 3-4 DE, which is a low impact position compared to that of WR, QB, CB, etc.
plus we have tons of talent at that position. A D-line with Starks, Soliai, and Langford is not that much better than Odrick, Soliai, and Langford. In fact, Odrick is a becoming a better pass rusher, so that lineup might be even better. So while Starks would be missed, it wouldn’t be by that much. It’s not like our defense will drop off the map without Starks.
Secondly, we do need some O-line help, a CB, FS, and a pass rusher. But even if we get all of those things in this draft (not likely), then we still will need a QB. And when the 2013 draft rolls around, we will need something else. That’s the nature of the game. It is folly to think that you can create a complete team and THEN get a QB. You need to get a QB and build your team around him.
The benefit to trading up is that of all the teams that need a QB, we have the least amount of needs. Washington, Cleveland, Seattle… they all have tons of needs that they cannot afford to miss out on. We are not in that position. We have a competitive team that has a good defense, a decent O-line, and plenty of weapons to build around. So trading up is not going to limit us like it would Washington or Cleveland, who have a sever lack of talent.
And everyone always forgets that we can fill many of our less pressing needs in free agency. We don’t have to have a first round RT. We can get a decent RT in FA and really, that’s all you need right now. A decent RT would be good enough to win games. We could get an effective CB in FA. We can get a decent FS in FA, in fact, if we didn’t trade Smith, we could move him to FS. I can tell you what we won’t get in free agency…. a franchise QB.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
agreed.... every team has weaknesses
When you have an ELITE QB and you can put up 35 every week, are we really gonna sit around and argue about our DL depth. There’s a reason the Pats have the LAST ranked OFFENSE and still are 12-3 and in first place in the AFC.
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
LAST RANKED DEFENSE*
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
on a positive note...
congrats to reggie for getting to 1k… he’s had a great year
"the one and only Peezy" -tex ... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC
by el presidente 00 on Dec 24, 2011 5:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I didn't watch the game but I could point out this
One thing is clear is that Matt Moore is not the answer. He can throw the deep ball bit anything below that is not his game. Inaccurate on throws that should be made. Next Miami needs a qb who can spread the ball around. I can tell that Matt moores main focus was Marshall and that’s a good thing bit when you have a solid receiver in hartline and one of the best slot receivers in the game in davone bess you have to find ways to get then the ball. Idk what to say good performance overall but like week 1 we should have won and it makes me feel sick when we lose to a division rival. Let’s knock the jets out of the playoffs next week. That would be a nice highlight to a disappointing season
by Dolphinsfan23 on Dec 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if you didnt watch the game, then why are you commenting on matt moore's performance?
just curious.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins and beat those Jets!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 24, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
He might have listened to it on the radio....
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
or looked at the stat line for that matter...
3 fumbles and 1 int does not get it done against Brady and the Patriots, even if you don’t lose all 3 fumbles.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
i follow people on twitter
I get play by play analysis too. I dont live in Miami, I cant catch all the games
by Dolphinsfan23 on Dec 24, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
So we shall call you a Twit....
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
lol
believe me any phins game that i can catch in my area, i take advantage of it. Thats y i always hope for many primetime games so that I can watch them. I thought they would put dolphins vs. pats on cbs in detroit but they had no football game and they put the battle of new york on fox
by Dolphinsfan23 on Dec 25, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
If you are ever wondering.
Heres a link to a site that maps out the distribution of network games. It may be a good tool for you.
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
i'm with little nicky in his post 10 days ago -- overhaul, overhaul, overhaul. clean out the stables in the fo, and get an elite/franchise qb...
at this point more than ever, it is obvious, and ross has started the train down the track.
a white sports coat and a pink crustacean
ha
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins and beat those Jets!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 24, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
let me elaborate...
the last thing that this team needs is an overhaul. This team has lost 5 games by less than a TD. This has held the lead in 9 of the 10 games we lost. This team has given up too many points in the second half, no doubt, but the talent is all over the place. This team i literally a RT, QB, and SS away from contending. This team has lost its way all season for the most part, we cant overhaul this team, the results would be disastrous.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins and beat those Jets!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 24, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree mostly... but I think our needs are as follows:
1. QB
2. NT- Soliai is not a franchise NT. He gets pushed back when it matters most, because he is not elite. You wouldn’t see Vince Wilfork get pushed back on 3rd and short with Brady running the ball. You can’t win when you are just giving a team 1-3 yards whenever they need it. If a guy like Wilfork was our NT, they don’t even try that play.
3. WR- we need a #1 WR with elite speed to open things up for Marshall. Gates might be the answer, but its hard to say since he hasn’t seen the field too much. We might wait on this to see if Gates is the solution there.
3. LG that can pull so that we can move Incognito over to RG. Or we could move him to Center and have Pouncey play LG. I have seen Incognito try to pull and fall on his face and not block anyone at the point of attack. It would be hard to find a better combo of LG and Center otherwise without using a 1st round pick there, or going and getting a premier LG.
I think that John Jerry is the answer at RT. I have since the beginning of last year. Carey is serviceable if not really good at RG.
I don’t think we have a problem at SS. I think Y Bell has a few years left and when he leaves we have Chris Clemons at FS and Reshad Jones at SS. Or we could move Jimmy WIlson to SS (I really like that idea).
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'd change it around:
1. QB
2. QB
3. QB
4. TE QB
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
sorry i got christmassed, but a brief elaboration: nicky's point is a complete overhaul of 'team management.' that's
what i’m feeling and thinking as well. with you 100 percent on the talent and the team and the fact that we are relatively close. overhaul means that ross loses ireland and brings in a new administration and a franchise qb. nicky’s views on positions and players i’m not referring to since this will get worked out by new management.
a white sports coat and a pink crustacean
But Nicky also thinks we should draft 3 or 4 defensive ends, get rid of Soliai and get a Francise QB
As well as switch to a 4-3 defense. Which makes the point utterly illogical in that it forces us to aqquire talent at oline, fs, and cb through fa. A move that would allocate our cap up to about 25-30 mil in free agents alone.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 26, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
fin4, look at my last sentence. i'm not committed to nicky's personell/position moves other than 100 percent
agreement with him for a franchinse QB. or maybe 1000 percent would be more accurate.
a white sports coat and a pink crustacean
I still think the biggest issue isn't Matt Moore
Its the inability to keep our starters healthy, play against opposing odds, and the mentality aspect.
Sure he had some fumbles, but once Vontae, Bush, Long, Thomas, and others went out, it was pretty much downhill.
3 fumbles is still a costly mistake, and the only thing I can think is that it was evident the shift occured once Long went down, and Vontaes pressence was missed in the secondary.
Truth is, we absolutely CANNOT afford to give up multiple picks to move up, especially if it means losing out on secondary help for Vontae, Pass rush help for Wake, a TRUE RT that can fill in for Long if hes injured, and some help on the inside for our guys on the line. THAT is the sad reality of it all.
As much fun as it is to dream that once we get a true signal caller, our team will be elite, just look at the Patriots to see that it isnt so. No matter how you look at it, it took the help of piss poor officiating and some costly turnovers, as well as key injuries to get the Pats the win today. As elite as Brady is, he still couldnt manage t do this by himself.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We can't afford NOT to move up
We cannot survive another 7-9 type season without a rookie QB on the team. We can’t keep saying “Wait until next year… we need this position on that position first.” We are never going to be in a perfect position where we have everything else in place, THEN we can go for a QB. We have to get a QB now if we ever expect to be competitive in the future.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
and we scored two TDs after Long went out for the game
I agree about Vontae though, but I think we have some young CBs that we can develop. I’d rather develop them than try to develop some 5th round QB.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
The biggest difference in that game was ...
We all know it … come on … Tom Brady is that much better than Matt Moore.. When it was going our way, did you honestly think we had the game won at halftime when we were only up 17-0? I was worried that we didnt take the time we had left and try to put it in the endzone again. It is almost like we didn’t expect Tom Brady to ever show up that game. Matt Moore made some nice plays and he is a good solid backup. But he showed he is not elite and since QB is the biggest hole on our team we need to go get a QB no matter the cost. You need a guy at QB that you can believe in when you are down 17-0 against a team like the Patriots. When we were tied most of us knew the game was already over.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Brady IS NOT the only reason they won that game....
Sorry, I just cant simply pin the game on the battle between two QBs. Sure if I was blinded by my incessant desire for a first round QB i could, but there was just so much more to this game than that.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But everyone who is all about Matt Moore can't ignore the fact
he missed several easy throws, has no pocket presence, and still makes bad decisions at times. Everyone who thinks that Matt Moore is the answer needs to watch these things before rushing to their judgments. This was the same crap with Chad Henne. All the Henne fans completely ignored his obvious flaws and tried to focus on everything else (he had no protection, his WRs dropped passes, the OC wasn’t right… blah, blah, blah). Yet Henne is as good as gone now and we still don’t have a QB.
It’s easy for people to pick on everyone who wants a first round QB. But the Moore fans need to sit back and evaluate him honestly. He played ok today at times, but struggled with short and intermediate accuracy. He has no feel for pressure in the pocket. He runs too early sometimes, yet at other times, he stands in there too long. He has improved his decision making somewhat, but he still makes questionable throws at times. He showed those issues in the game today. As long as he still has these issues, he’s not going to be the answer and we have to get a QB. And the BEST way to find a QB is to draft one in the first round.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
by The Earl on Dec 24, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If brandon makes those catches, there is no fumbles..............................!
For that mater hes quite the QB as far as Questionable is called!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that Marshall has killed the team with some drops this year
but Moore still struggles with those issues I mentioned. Drops will hurt his completion percentage, but I can forgive that.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Is there any jail time required Hmmmmmm!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
The biggest thing I can say about Matt Moore... He is not clutch.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I saw something that would corroborate this assessment:
But the Dolphins have lost four fourth-quarter games this season under his watch, and it’s impossible to overlook dismal numbers during that critical period, where only two NFL starters (Henne and Indianapolis’ Curtis Painter) have been worse this season.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
We could say the same thing about Brady in the first half....
And you can also say that Marshall missed some easy catches, but most importantly you can say the ref missed some easy calls. Yes, Moore missed some easy throws, but he also made some great plays too.
Bottom line is that while he made a few mistakes, he also wasnt the only one. I mean fuck, how long until you see that Brady is picking on Carrol and insert either Will Allen, or even our rookie in. How long until you say screw it, the NT isnt getting any push, lets try a 4 man front, or how long til you say the FS isnt doing jack for us, lets see how we do with someone else.
This loss is just as much on the coaches and secondary as it is on Moore.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I haven't rewatched all of the game yet, but I would wager that Soliai didn't get a lot of snaps
He didn’t get many in the first NE game either. Against NE, we mostly stay in a nickel package meaning Soliai doesn’t get as many snaps. You can bet next week against the jets, Soliai will get more snaps and our run defense will be great against them.
I don’t understand why everyone is so down on Soliai. Our run defense has been great this season, especially later into the season. That wouldn’t happen without Soliai. What will inevitably happen is that we will let Soliai go, he will go to another 3-4 team like Pittsburgh and play the same as he did here. They will have a good run defense and everyone will say “Why didn’t he play like that here?” and blame it on another player becoming great after they left the Dolphins.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I see him get pushed back an awful lot...
I haven’t done a in depth study of his play, but I perceive if I did, I would see him get handled by mostly single teams or pushed back consistently 2-3 yards on a double team. You can’t have your franchise NT do that. We are paying the guy $16 million dollars this year… he needs to be absolutely dominant… not servicable. A guy that you pay $16 million a year should have the capability of taking over a game at times and he just isn’t that guy.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree that putting the franchise tag on your NT is odd...
but it was the only way to keep him and we had to have him or else our defense would have been awful. As far as his play, we have one of the best run defenses in the league. That doesn’t happen without Soliai.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Solai has been very good this year
One of the best NT’s in the NFL without a doubt. Is he worth the franchise tag abd $12.3M/year? Probably not simply because no NT should be. But he’s still amongst the best at his position and makes it impossible for opposing teams to run inside most of the time.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Actually, he is ranked 12th in the NFL for all NTs
Keep in mind, I said Nose Tackle, not DT as a whole.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 25, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that specified for 3-4 NTs only
because some 4-3 DTs are considered NTs. Just wondering.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Actually, we really didnt need him...
Both Starks and Odrick are solid 4-3 DTs, Wake and Taylor would have also made a solid pair of bookends. Not to mention depth with Merling and McDaniels at DT, and IAF as well as Misi as Backup at DE. We didnt need him, we wanted him is more like it.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 25, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We run a 3-4, so we needed Soliai at NT
if we ran a 4-3, then I might agree with you. Without Soliai, our defense would have been very weak. If Soliai was playing badly, our run defense would have suffered. But Soliai has been playing well enough as evidenced by our great run defense.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I am saying that it would have been just as easy to switch to a more permanent 4 man front than it was to swallow a 12.3 million dollar cap hit for a one year wonder during a contract season.
Starks was actually pretty successful as a 3-4 nt until injuries forced him back to DE. Which is another reason why I am so opposed to trading away Starks. He can line up anywhere on the line, and that sacrifices much needed security in the depth of our line.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 25, 2011 9:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
matt moore will be a great great back up. that is what he is. we are fortunate to have him in this role,
a white sports coat and a pink crustacean
Also it could be said that the biggest factor for the turn around in the game is that Miami had no answer for their hurry up offense.
Am I the only one that saw that New England spent almost the entire second half in their 2 minute offense?
That led to multiple assignments to wind up in their favor, I mean there were times where.Burnett was led to guard Welker, a matchup that we shouldnt have seen.
Time outs did become a factor in the second half because we should have actually used them at times and we didnt. If even to slow them down and allow our personnel to regain some position and momentum.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 26, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Indianapolis Colts.
I rest my case. That is my reason for us needing to give up multiple picks and move up in the draft to get the best QB in the draft… They went from being a perennial contender to the worst joke in football all because their QB went down. If we had a guy like Peyton Manning, would that make some of our problems go away? YES.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Or the fact that they didnt want to give up multiple picks in the draft...
You CANNOT tell me that all those losses were simply because Peyton went down… Well inadvertantly yes, but because they almost got caught tqnking, so they pulled in a couple games. You d not beat the texans when u suck, period, or else by everyone on heres admission, we would have beaten them this year….
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton Manning
WITH- Competing for division and legitimite NFL Title
WITHOUT- worst record in football.
Why people won’t want to give up first round picks or players like Wake and Smith (replaceable) is beyond me?
WORST Case scenario we trade everything for Luck and he sucks. This way we’ll be the worst team again and have the #1 pick to find a QB that CAN be good lol.
It’s over 10 years since Marino left, enough is enough… this team needs a QB so bad. Make it Happen.
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
and yet henne had the same situation
I didn’t see many people defending him as you and joel are doing for moore.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol, the only reason I am not, is because he is not playing right now
Read back since the beginning of the season, or even preseason, or heck, even since before the draft, and you will see that i have been defending this team and its players for a while now….
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chad Henne is still terrible
and he still displayed the same issues that he has for the last four years. Those issues aren’t due to drops, sacks, or anything else.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
just getting back from the bar, what a dissapointment ! can anyone tell me why we didn't at least try the onside kick that last time?? SMH
founding member of the dolphins really old bastards fan club GO PHINS... TO THE GRAVE BABY!
The only answer is that we attempted to play it safe and rely on our tired defense to get the ball back.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well that worked out good , lol
founding member of the dolphins really old bastards fan club GO PHINS... TO THE GRAVE BABY!
by daytonadolfan on Dec 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the Phins have seen the high failure rate of the onside ki.......
Oh wait..?
I hate Seattle weather.
I think they tried to kick it over the onside coverage
and use their numbers to recover the ball.
It just bounced way stupid.
Shitfire! They should have used Fields for that kinda kick.
I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.
Just making a case that Bowles is not the guy....
Doesn’t bother me one bit at this point… still a little hurt of course… but… means we have to give up that much less to move up to the 1st pick in the draft. It is clear now we are 1/22 from being a Super Bowl contender year in and year out.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
The defense lost this game
Not Matt Moore. Granted, Moore had a rough game, and it didn’t help matters much, but our defense continues to fold at the end of games.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Dec 24, 2011 6:00 PM EST reply actions
Seriously??
How can you say that? Moore fumbled the ball 3 times and threw an interception… He did have some amazing moments. But you can’t do that against the Patriots and win.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
He had his stumbles
I’m not denying that. But he still had us in position to win the game despite that, but our defense folded yet again.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Dec 24, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
He gave Tom Brady a short field a few times...
What do expect from them when they keep getting Tom Brady on a short field.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Point taken
But how about the D letting the Pats drive from their own 2 to take the lead? Failing to stop the Pats when we ABSOLUTELY needed to late in the 4th quarter? And let’s not forget, Brandon Fields had an atrocious day. I’m not saying Matt Moore had a great game or anything, but the people pinning this loss solely on him are wrong.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Dec 24, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
They had him dead to rights.
They had totally thrown him off his game. Then Matt Moore gives him short field after short field to work with… he gets on a roll. We were not good enough to stop Tom Brady once he gets comfortable and gets rolling. How many teams can stop him once he gets rolling though? We had him down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a Power Puff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think I might include this in my sig or something .... really proud of this quote...
We had him down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a Power Puff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
i love how everyone is making excuses for moore.
When henne was in the same situations, people would blame it on innacuracy, lack of touch, inability to go through progressions and stupidity. When moore is sucking, its not his fault, its jake long’s fault, its vontae davis’ fault, it’s daboll’s fault, it’s bowlesm fault, it’s marshall’s fault. Way to have a double standard. This game just proved why we need to trade up for luck or RGIII. Brady was missing half his Oline, the NE secondary was all injured, and they were riddled with injuries at many other positions. Yet, brady managed to win with what he had. He made the players around him better, which moore can’t do. That is why we need an elite qb. Half of the packers team was on IR last year, yet rodgers led them to the big game. That is why we need an elite qb. The colts are the most sorry team in the nfl without peyton, one of the best with him. That is why we need an elite qb. Even though the jests have assembled a pro bowl roster, sanchez is keeping the team out of the SB. That is why we need an elite qb. The loss of jay cutler has ruined all hope for chicago to make it to the playoffs. That is why we need an elite qb. The lions have instantly become a better team since stafford got healthy. That is why we need an elite qb. The mediocre play of fitzpatrick has led the once hot bills on a losing streak. That is why we need an elite qb. Despite the horrible coaching in san diego, rivers keeps the team alive every game. That is why we need an elite qb. Despite having one of the best teams in the NFL, flacco’s inconsistancy has kept the ravens out of the SB. That is why we need an elite qb. Cam newton has turned the panthers from the worst team in the nfl into a team that is a contender every week. That is why we need an elite qb. We need a qb that brings fear into the hearts of enemies. Drew brees, tom brady, aaron rodgers, even eli manning, ben roethlisberger, phillip rivers and cam newton. Those qbs bring fear into their enemy’s hearts. Those are the types of qbs we need. Not matt moore.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
You should have written this in poetic prose... LOL
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
lol
Should have, but that’s how I feel. I could have given more examples as well, but that would include doing basic research, which I’m not in the mood to do.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
iambic pentameter?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
LOL... I was thinking more free verse
but iambic pentameter would be good to.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
What the hell are you two saying?!
Never heard that shit in my life.
(I gotta git out more)
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
cam?? really?? elite??
Look at all his ints. If he was here & we were losing to NE everyone would have blamed everyone else but him. Cam has tremendous potential but he needs a better team around him & he needs a better offensive coordinator.
If henne played we win. To say we played better this time than last is false. If this defense played against NE the 1st game we win, Henne would have been good. If the offense from the 1st game played this game we win. Point being against a NE team Henne played better than moore period & he was playing against a better healthy NE team. Moore played against an injured NE team & looked bad.
Bring Henne back with a new coach & coordinator & draft a qb & see who wins the battle.
by Fintastic47 on Dec 24, 2011 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOLOL @ this:
If henne played we win.
You mean the same Henne who couldn’t get one single yard for a game winning FG against the powerhouse 4-11 Browns? Henne only put up yards in the first NE game because NE got out to a big lead and went into a soft zone coverage. The majority of his yards in that game came in the 4th quarter and many after NE had a 3 score lead. Moore isn’t great, but he is much better than Henne because he is so much more accurate (and that’s saying something) and because he is a natural leader that Henne isn’t. The ONLY reason we have any wins this season is because Moore was playing QB.
Then you make this statement:
Bring Henne back with a new coach & coordinator & draft a qb & see who wins the battle.
I don’t know who wins that battle, but I know who loses in the long run… the Dolphins.
And what does this mean:
To say we played better this time than last is false. If this defense played against NE the 1st game we win
So it’s false to say we played better this time against the Pats, but you say if we had the current defense in the first game, we would have won. Doesn’t that mean we played better this time?
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I don’t know who wins that battle, but I know who loses in the long run… the Dolphins.
LOL so true. If our QB’s next year are Henne and Moore I swear I’m becoming a Lions fan lol
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Henne did put up a lot of YARDS that game ...
But how many points did he actually put up?? 24? So even with the defense playing the way they did this game… we still lose that game ….
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
cam isnt elite yet, yes
But you can not say that you would rather have henne or moore than cam. Cam has a future in eliteness, henne and moore are career backups or borderline starters. Henne has plenty of issues, and I think he would be a terrific backup somewhere, he just doesn’t have the “it” factor needed to be a franchise qb.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have been one of Hennes biggest supporters on this site
But you dont like to do research, so i wont ask you to look at the posts ive been making the past 2-3 years. Hell, i even have a Henne jersey i rock EVERY game. Then again, I also have a Teddy Ginn jersey, so I wont go too in depth with that one.
My point is, just as with Moore, was I with Henne. I just think people are missing something in efforts to find answers that are easier for them to swallow.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOLOLOL
But you dont like to do research
That is obviously false and you can ask anyone who reads my posts and comments regularly.
I’m not going to discuss Henne anymore. That issue has been beaten to death. What I do want to discuss is this idea that fans are “missing something” in order to make there opinions work. All the Moore fans are saying that the doubters aren’t really watching the games or they are too infatuated with drafting a first round QB to see what’s really going on. OK… so what’s really going on? Do the Moore fans watch the game too? Do they see his complete lack of pocket presence, that was amplified by watching one of the best QBs alive play today? Do they see his accuracy issues, especially on short and intermediate passes (and I’m not even including drops)? Do they see his questionable decision making by running at times when he has an open receiver or throwing into double and triple coverages? Do they see the stats that say that Moore is terrible in the fourth quarter (only better than Curtis Painter and Chad Henne)?
I think the problem with Moore fans is that they are making excuses for his play and they aren’t really evaluating what’s going on. They have become enamored with the 5 wins where we beat up on some bad teams and don’t actually watch the play. Like that comment you made the other day about “a win is just a win”, fans get so excited because we won, that they don’t see the big picture.
So what is the big picture? That we still have questions at QB. Matt Moore has not unequivocally answered them. Has he showed some promise? Yes. But that’s it. Fans who think we can just roll into next season without addressing the QB position are being naive. And the sad thing is, they are using the same excuses for Moore that they used for Henne (no O-line, drops, better OC, better coach, better this, better that). They so want to believe that the QB position has FINALLY been answered that they grasp onto anything that supports that belief. When anyone opposes them, they hear the “you just aren’t seeing what I’m seeing” crap.
So if you want the truth, it’s this: Matt Moore has been a refreshing addition to this team and he has done some great things. But he has not proven that he is the long term answer. Most fans will fall on either side of that argument. But we just don’t know and the folks who have control of the team, cannot take the chance that he isn’t.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Lol i was answering and speaking to anish
I know you do, but even he repeated that he does not like to do research.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 10:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in regards to his comments about how people didnt speak about henne as they do about moore
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok... my bad... LOL
I tried to follow but missed a comment box up there.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
see below
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
umm, duke, im pretty sure the research comment was directed towards me, due to the comment i posted in response to you.
But really dude, you’re going to use that as a basis of argument. I was making an opinion fueled comment, not a research paper. If you have read my fanposts, you would see the amount of research I do. And sorry if I don’t remember every post you have made. My mistake, heck, I don’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday off the top of my head, lol. I’m just trying to say that I am not happy with the current qb situation and that we need change. We had woodley in 84/85 (I forgot when). Woodley was a decent qb. No one thought of him as elite, but he got the job done. Hell, he took the phins to the super bowl. Everyone expected us to draft defense in the 1st, and just ride with woodley. We just happened to take the risk of drafting the long haired QB out of pitt that had the drug issues. You know the story from there right. Imagine if we had done what you want to do now then. We would never have had dan, he would have been great somewhere else and we would have had woodley and strock. we wouldn’t have had all those years of magical qb play.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wasnt speaking in disrespect, perhaps a bit aggravated from the game, bit no disrespect intended
Mind you though that i am not implying that we dont draft a qb, only that we dont have the luxury in not addressing other needs as well.
We need a QB, but at what cost? We were fortunate that Marino fell to us, we wont have that luxury this time, but there are other options, without having to weaken ourselves further.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 24, 2011 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes
But we can address the other needs later in the draft. Dwayne allen in the 2nd solves the TE need qand zebrie sanders in the 3rd would be a great starting RT. There are ways that we can fill needs na dget a 1st rd qb
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not if we do like some say and trade away a first a second and a fifth
I saw one post that said we should give up a first second and third the next two seasons to trade up. I am all for trading up, or drafting a QB if he falls to us, but quite frankly, there comes a time when you have to ask…. How much is too much?
Then you have those that want to eradicate what little depth we have by trading away Starks, Hartline, Bess, Smith, I have even heard Cameron Wakes name thrown in there, again I ask…. How much is too much?
Let me get one thing straight, I do think we need a QB, but some of these ideas seem a bit too unreasonable, which in fact only adds fuel to the fire that we in fact cant afford one in our present state. I mean no offense, but 4 first rounders???? Even Dan Snyder isnt that stupid.
We have to ask ourselves what can we afford within the current market that will not end up handicapping us in the long run.
If we cannot afford the price then we have to reasonably set ourselves up to aqquire one.next year. What people dont realize is that a win now mentality bears no reality on winning once you erradicate the strengths you currently have.
Best case scenario, is that ol boy stating that he is going to stay an extra season could be a blessing in disguise. It could allow us to trade down… I know, we MUST obtain a QB by any means necessary, but hear me out. In trading down, we aqquire a first round talent this year, and gain a pick for next. Giving us ample ammo to set ourselves up reasonably to get ol boy next year, while obtaining a CB, a LG, or even a replacement such as Dontarie Poe if contract talks for Soliai again become unreasonable, which with the market the way it stands will likely happen. Like a QB is important for offense, a NT is equally important for Defense.
Not only does a move like this prepare us for next year, but it alleviwtes cap constraints that we currently have, by at least 7 mil. Enough room to wiggle and get help on the secondary with a high caliber FA or two.
Marino actually fell to us, we traded nothing, got stellar play for years. We wont have that luxury this year.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 25, 2011 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
is this ^^^^^^^^^ really that hard to figure out?
Moore sucked….plain and simple!! he looked like a high school
Appears to be an ACL injury for AP
a terrible season for the Vikings just got even worse.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
may miss next year!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
wow
Genuinely feel bad for them. Hopefully they can add some weapons for ponder and see him develop into the semi-elite qb I saw him turning into during the draft.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He needs sum bullits!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
umm, i have no idea what that meant
So I’m just going to smile, nod and agree with you. :)
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You mentioned weapons... Beav was saying bullets... he was agreeing with ya....
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
by Alpha6 on Dec 24, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this^^^^^!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
ooohhh, i see now
Thanks beav, and you too alpha for helping me out there.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bullits WR. top quality is best!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
sup pal chyt for second half huh!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
No dout!
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
we played tenative the second nothen else!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
i said the same thing
i saw that play, winced like hell and genuinely felt awful for Minnesota. If Luck doesn’t go to Miami i hope he goes there lol
Laces out!
Editor of the Wildcat Weekly after every Victory
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Lions make the playoffs
After getting rid of Millen, they really learned how to build that team. Have a franchise QB in the making, lots of playmakers and an improving defense.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
exactly why we need a franchise qb.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trifecta miss the call on Smith!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
The Lions started this thing 3 years ago with the #1 overall pick
they drafted a QB and now they are in the playoffs. Imagine how bad they would be if they drafted Jason Smith instead. At least one team knows what they are doing.
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
#1 pick this is how it work the 101 of drafting!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Drafting for dummies?
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Kinda sounds weird but yes to the point!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I liked what Moore did in the first half.
Just a shame he didn’t carry that into the second half. But lets not forget that he didn’t have Fasano playing today. He also has Colombo in front of him. Get him a TE and an RT, plus a RG and I think he’ll be just fine. Plus he’s got Reggie Bush and hopefully next year a fit Daniel Thomas. Man, that can be a mean offence next year if we can find the right pieces!
I like the way Moore doesn’t panic in the pocket. He’s a very cool guy. Moore is streets ahead of Henne and should be our starting QB next year. Moore and Tannehill as our QB’s next season!
Merry Xmas everyone!
i wouldnt mind moore and tannehill
My only knocks on moore would be that he hangs on to the ball way to long, has zero pocket presence and is so unclutch, he’s the anti-tebow.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah ... he didn't have a lot of help on the offensive line...
Brady was harassed for an entire half. But when we let up even for a little bit, he made us pay. Matt Moore doesn’t have that gear. He just doesn’t.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Dec 24, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
ok... updated my sig..... lol
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
lol
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Seatle is giveing the 49ers a go!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions
Pulling for the Niners....
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Christmas eve happy day to all!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions
Merry Christmas Beav!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoX91ZMdhK0
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Thanks Earl!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
you too beav
Have a great Xmas, hannukah, kwanzaa or whatever you celebrate. Just winter for me as I don’t qualify for any of those three holidays, lol.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My birthday was the 22nd first day of winter but you wont of known it!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Happy Belated Birthday!!
Have a coolie on me….
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
& a Belateed burp to you to lol!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Mine was the 7th....
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Nice call on the belated toast then cheers!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Exactamundo.. heh heh heh.. December is da bomb....
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Theres always singing going on around my birth this is a fact to my love of music!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
,,, they're hoping for your inheridence
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
You and yours too! My brother....
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
well certain occasions call for friends to come together, fellowship!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
merry christmas to all the phinsider faithful
hope you all have a great day tomorrow , and a better day jan. 1st, and beat the jests!
founding member of the dolphins really old bastards fan club GO PHINS... TO THE GRAVE BABY!
You and yours too! You codger you... lol
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
You to Tona!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
How 'bout that Buffalo!
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
7-7 still in the hunt!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Back to the bottom.......
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Asstonishing to be so close but so far oh that plain ride sux's!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
the Bills are not 7-7 Wild zion
they were 5-8 coming into our game last week. With that loss they fell to 5-9 (their 7th straight defeat) with their huge victory today over Denver they improved to 6-9.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
This is the truth i was commentating about what i heard over the TV!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 24, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Heard it on tv as 7-7....
C’mon Buff… lol
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
my position is that we should trade our entire draft in 12 to the #1 if that is what it takes.
Half of it for #2. Luck or RGIII.
If we can not get either of them use this draft to fix all our other holes and trade our entire draft to get Barkley in 13.
Whatever it takes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not want them to draft ANY OTHER QB, cause I want a franchise QB. Not Snachez v2.0, Henne v 2.0, Ryan v2.0, Flacco v2.0, etc. (you get the point)
Rogers v2.0, Brees v2.0, Brady v2.0, MARINO v2.0 – now these are all good for me!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Landry Jones strikes me as Henne v2.0. I do not want him atm.
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
I do not want him either!
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 24, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
They got in a hole and had to get out.
So the number of attempts will naturally be inflated.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
It was never more than a 2 score game
No way would I have a struggling QB throw so often and give up on the run game so soon.
Well they arent really the ground and pound team they once were.
They dont have the personnel they had and their productivity has dropped off substantially this season. They got down to the Giants today 20-7 today and they felt they had to throw to get out.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
how does he survive as a starter this long?
I’m sure ANY other team would have benched him by now
by AussiePhinfan on Dec 25, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Who else do they have?
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 25, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Currently?
Marc Brunnell and Kevin O’Connell are behind Sanchez on the Jets roster.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I would throw Marc out there and see what he has left if anything.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 28, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
Marc Sanchez gives them the best chance to win right now, this offseason they will assess their options.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Cowboys-Giants moved to Sunday night
So both of their games this season have been Sunday Night on NBC Prime Time
Makes sense as its a game for all the marbles.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 24, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Who is here and do we need to go start a real CKC?
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
Sounds good to me
Earl just commented a few minutes ago so I’m sure he’s here as well
by phinsphan85 on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
im here
Even though who knows how long.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
Grand Cardinal of the first holy church of brandstater (the phinsider), and founder of the second holy church of brandstater (turf show times).
by AnishB15 on Dec 24, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
todd bowles sealed his fate as next years HC with todays loss
lets face it, he would have never really been considered unless he went 3-0.
todays colapse showed he has no more control of this team than tony did
Yeah, I haven't heard of any offial reports if the Dolphins reached out to any potential HCs yet since the firing
Obviously I’m referring to those who are currently not employed right now
by phinsphan85 on Dec 24, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Patriots comeback from a 17-0 deficit is what happens
when you have an elite QB, put the game on your shoulders and get it done….w/out an elite QB….nope…enough said!
This site
must be monitored by Obama. Free speech baby!!
Free speech, until you incite emotional responses and crap all over an invited house.
Your not welcome here if you’re gonna be an idiot.
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Ah another person that does not understand the meaning of "freedom of speech"!
Yes you are allowed to say what you wish without reprisal from the law but the repercussions of such are on you. When you go to a blog that is not yours and spout off like a fool you need to have the understanding that you are still subject to their rules not the ones that you make up for yourself.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 25, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
idiot
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
Vice Grand Poobah of the RGIII Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 26, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
No worries. He's gone.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 26, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but this was my opportunity to get away with calling someone an idiot
couldn’t pass it up
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
Vice Grand Poobah of the RGIII Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 26, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
From what I can tell he is not even all that popular on his own blog. He seems to go to the Pats blog claiming to
be a Pats fan and to the Jets blog posing as a Jets fan. At least here we knew where we stood with him.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 26, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on The Phinsider
Related FanShots on The Phinsider
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
