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Tale of the Tape: Landry Jones

Could history repeat itself for Dolphins fans? Maybe ...

Most Dolphins fans by now have a pretty good idea of which quarterback they want Miami to pursue next April, as 2012 is already being projected as the "year of the quarterback. And now that the Tony Sparano era is officially history, it's safe to assume that Miami's next head coach is going to want to use a first-round pick to shoot for the moon and get the best signal caller possible. No real news here. If anything, it's just a matter of which quarterback prospect will best fit the offensive scheme in place next spring.

If USC's Matt Barkley, Oklahoma's Landry Jones and Baylor's Robert Griffin III all declare for the NFL Draft, there will likely be five quarterbacks selected in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. Everyone knows about Andrew Luck's pedigree, and it seems almost certain that he will end up in Indianapolis next season (as for where Peyton Manning ends up, I have no clue. Washington and Kansas City seem like possible destinations). Matt Barkley went on a two-month-long tear after losing to Stanford last October, and has a very good chance of the being a top five pick next April (do-everything, west-coast-style quarterbacks have a way of working draft analysts into a hype-addled frenzy, don't they?). Robert Griffin III, who won the Heisman Trophy last Saturday, is proving to be a formidable, trend-setting talent at the quarterback position, despite not having much experience under center or in a pro-style offense (Griffin's sudden rise as a quarterback demigod has been more impressive than Cam Newton's dream season last year, in my opinion). And Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill, once thought to be a long-term project at quarterback, has certainly been impressive enough this season to catapult his way into the second half of round one in 2012.

Star-divide

Unlike the prospects above, things haven't been so great for Landry Jones this season. The Sooner signal caller, viewed as a top 10 pick last summer, has been far from impressive the last six weeks. Since losing his No.1 receiver, Ryan Broyles, to a torn ACL on Nov. 5, Jones has looked straight-up lost against a lot of inferior competition, struggling with accuracy and failing to even throw a touchdown in his last three games. Worse yet, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Jones to return to Norman for his senior season, since Oklahoma has a Tim Tebow clone in Blake Bell, who will essentially murder Jones' red zone numbers if he returns in 2012.

So why should anyone bother with a QB who has so many question marks, especially in the "year of the quarterback?" Consider this little piece of Dolphins history as an answer to that question.

Let's pretend it's April 1983. You have a mullett in training (which won't fully develop until 1984, of course) and you think breakdancing and Michael Jackson's red leather jacket are the coolest thing on the planet You're three months removed from watching the offense-inept Dolphins get run over by John Riggins and the Washington Redskins in Super XVII. Now, most fans and experts would disagree that the Dolphins need to draft a quarterback, but current starter David Woodley isn't exactly Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw or even that Joe Montana kid, is he? And since 1983 is being called the "year of the quarterback," it kind of makes sense for Miami to partake in the festivities. Everyone knows that Indianapolis, the team with the first pick, wants the mobile, strong-armed kid out of Stanford. Then there's that quarterback out of the U--the guy who is supposedly a warm-weather passer and has experience in what's essentially a pro-style scheme. Then there's the real accurate kid out of UC Davis, as well as those two slightly overrated quarterbacks out of Illinois and Penn State, respectively. Hmmm. Yes, any of these guys would look great in a Dolphins uniform. You know who wouldn't, though? That rifle-armed quarterback with the big head of hair out of Pitt University. That guy sucked throughout the 1982 season. 23 interceptions and 17 touchdowns? A quarterback who never had a completion percentage above 59.5 while in college? A supposed drug user? No, thanks. Now, if you'll excuse me, I am off to see that new Francis Ford Coppola film about greasers living in Tulsa, Okla. Grody!

Well, the Dolphins did take that kid out of Pitt, and he proceeded to go on a serial-killer-like passing spree through the NFL for the better part of 17 seasons. In fact, you could make the case that the rest of the NFL never caught up to Dan Marino's sheer overall ability. I can remember watching the Dolphins play the Colts in the RCA Dome in October 1999 (Marino's last season), and Dan threw a game-winning fade to the corner of the end zone on fourth down; while walking off the field, Dan had a look on his face that said, "Did you seriously think I wasn't going to win this game?"

That was classic Marino: fiery, methodical and poised to slit your throat if you even thought about cheating up your safeties in coverage. Still, if The Phinsider had existed during the original "year of the quarterback" in 1983 it's unlikely that people here would've been necessarily hepped about taking Dan Marino with the 27th overall pick.

Now, contrast Marino's draft situation to what Landry Jones is currently going through. After a stellar sophomore campaign, Jones this season was expected to challenge Andrew Luck for both the Heisman Trophy and No.1 overall pick in the NFL. Jones' play through the first two months of the college season wasn't particularly Heisman or No.1-pick worthy, but entering Oklahoma's game at home against Texas A&M, Jones had thrown 26 touchdowns, nine interceptions and possessed a completion percentage of 66.9 percent. Not too shabby when you consider the fact that Jones had six less completions than Andrew Luck had attempts entering Saturday, Nov. 5.

Of course, Jones' problems really started when Broyles went down for the season that day. After finishing with two touchdowns and no picks against Texas A&M, Jones didn't find the end zone the rest of the season and tossed five picks over a three-game stretch against Baylor, Iowa State and Oklahoma State. Losing his No.1 wideout certainly affected Jones, as Broyles was absolutely his safety valve in the passing game. The major school of thought here, however, is that a pro-worthy quarterback should be able to find another option and continue to lead the offense. Maybe so, but remember that Luck's production dipped a bit after big-time Stanford wideout Chris Owusu went down against Oregon State (on Nov. 5, curiously enough), contributing to Stanford's loss to Oregon one week later. What if Matt Barkley had lost Marqise Lee or Robert Woods this season? What if Robert Griffin III had lost the uber-ridiculous Kendall Wright halfway through this season? Would he still have won the Heisman? Tough to say.

There's more to Jones' season-end slide than him simply losing his best receiver, though. As mentioned above, a huge reason for Jones' lopsided numbers in November and December was Blake Bell, who is Oklahoma's Tim Tebow clone. Anytime Oklahoma finds the red zone, Bell is almost certain to come out and line up under center. This murdered Jones' production the last three weeks of the season, and made his situation look a lot worse than it really is. Bell's numbers over the last month of the season? How about nine rushing touchdowns in four games? How many of those rushing touchdowns would've come off of Jones' hand otherwise?

There's little point in denying that Jones' accuracy dipped a bit towards the end of the season, but so did Marino's in 1982 (hard to imagine, since Dan put the ball wherever he pleased while in Miami). Before his struggles late in the season, Jones was hands down the most accurate quarterback potentially available in the 2012 draft ... even more so than Andrew Luck. And while Jones' footwork was atrocious late in the year, that flaw can rectified by thorough coaching. Jones is a quarterback in a spread offense, but if people here are going to embrace Robert Griffin III, they're absolutely wrong to write off Jones simply because of his lack of experience in a pro-style offense.

Look, this guy has arguably the purest arm of any quarterback in the draft, and in an offense that wants to push the ball downfield early and often, Landry Jones is a worthy prospect ... but he'll need some time to develop. Marino only needed six games to step up and set the NFL world on its ear; Jones will need more, no doubt. God help all of us, though, if Jones figures out how to put it all together. And if so, I hope we don't look at him the way everyone looked at Marino after he made his first start for the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 9, 1983. That would be a shame.

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There is a big difference

We will have a top 5-8 pick and be able to draft one of those top 3 QB’s. Miami picked Marino because where they were picking he had great value and upside.

If I was Miami I would make Indy an offer they could not refuse. It’s obvious that team has lots of holes and they already have a Hall of fame QB with 5+ years left in him. They would be better off with 2 or 3 players than another QB.

Say 1st, 2nd and a third the following year to move down 5 spots would be an offer they could not refuse.

by sdelinois on Dec 16, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

That'd be an offer they'd use to another team that is willing to give up multiple first rounders.

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by Finhead83 on Dec 16, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

hate to be in a bidding war

but if they were really looking for building around Manning. They could easily move out of the spot they pick up from the dolphins and get a couple picks from that since whoever wants luck would likely also want one of the others.

They have the chance to move down at least two times and pick up 4-5 day one picks.

by sdelinois on Dec 16, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

They could easily trade out

But they could get more picks than that from other teams, potentially ones even in front of Miami. That is a very cheap price to pay for Manning and I expect him to draw multiples firsts or multiple 2nds with a first.

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by Finhead83 on Dec 16, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

IF Manning is healthy

and of course that’s a big IF. They would be foolish to draft Luck.

Can you imagine being able to draft 5-6 players in the first day. I don’t know what their holes are but that plugs alot of holes.

by sdelinois on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if Manning is healthy, it's never a bad idea to get a young QB prospect.

If Manning is back to his old self in 2012, the Colts won’t be in position to get another first round QB in the top half of the first round. Take it while you can.

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by Finhead83 on Dec 16, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what she said....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 17, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I was one of those that loved Marino coming out of Pitt..

…but figured the Dolphins had no chance to get him. If you take away the rumored drug use prior to the draft, He would’ve gone in the top 10 easily. Thank goodness for rumors. :)

by dab415217 on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

My dad loved him at Pitt

I remember him saying this guy is going to be great long before he ever came to Miami. If Miami wan’t they can have any QB in the draft from where the’re picking.

by sdelinois on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Luck=Barkley>RG3>Jones

I’m probably one of the few that think Barkley will be every bit as good as Luck in the NFL. He’s not as athletic as RG3 or Luck, but this kid knows how to play QB. Both Luck and Barkley are ready to start right now IMO. RG3 and Jones will need some time to grow into the job.

Barkey is a lock to go to Washington, so he doesn’t slip past them. I think the only two the Dolphins will have a shot at is RG3 and Jones. I think Jones can be had in the middle of the 1st round, but then the Jake Locker draft pick last year was a huge monkey wrench thrown into what I though I knew about teams drafting QB’s. That was a case of a team falling in love with a QB and drafting him way above where he should’ve been.

by dab415217 on Dec 16, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

really all depends on how we finish the season

Will the players play as hard now that Sparano is gone.

by sdelinois on Dec 16, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The way Locker has looked,

it seems likely that Tennessee knew his real value as opposed to other teams undervaluing him.

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this. Locker looks REALLY good right now

Locker was the QB I would’ve taken on sight last April. I liked Newton and Ponder, too. Gabbert? Not so much.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 16, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Tannehill is the guy everyone is sleeping on.

I really like his quick release and accuracy.

by mjams on Dec 16, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I am definitely aware of Tannehill

My last college post featured him.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 16, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's no secret that the secret to Marino's success was his lightspeed release.

I wonder if he would have been nearly as good without it. Does Jones have a “secret” weapon that’s comparable? Because without one, I strongly suspect he will live down to expectations.

He might very well turn into a very good or elite NFL QB, but not as a day 1 starter, which is really what Miami needs.

It’s one thing to compare and contrast the similar situations between now and 1983, but that doesn’t have any bearing on what sort of player a prospect will turn in to.

by PNSter on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

There was so much more to Dan than his release, though.

His accuracy and sheer feel for the game were second to none, and he had uncanny footwork in the pocket. Jones was unbelievably accurate before suffering some setbacks midway through this season, and he has a similar “damn it all” approach to the downfield passing game. Now, in no way am I saying Landry Jones will be anywhere as good as Dan; however, I do believe that Jones’ draft almost completely mirrors the stuff that Dan went through 28 years ago. If anything, I am just pointing out that we shouldn’t write Landry Jones off yet. We have no idea how good this guy can become if he lands on the right team. Is Miami the right team? I think it’s possible.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 16, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

We shall see. I see 5 QB's that all look the part of an NFL starter right now.

I want to see what happens in the bowl games and at the combine. Also, I think people are sleeping on Tannehill. He has very good arm strength and a quick release. He kinda reminded me of Marino but with faster feet.
RGIII scares me a bit because he looks like a slow decision maker. I saw some of that in Luck to though so maybe its just me. Barkley impressed me the most in that regard. LJ drops the ball low at the start of his throwing motion. Obviously correctable but it troubles me. He does have a cannon though!

by mjams on Dec 16, 2011 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Miami will only have a top 5 pick if they lose their final 3 games. With Long and Moore back for the bills games, I expect Miami to win. They also have a chance at beating the
jets. So Miami could concievably finish 6 – 10, and have No shot of getting Barkey or RG3.
if that happens, Miami’s best move would be to trade down and draft jones, assuming he comes out, or tannehill. Nick foles is another possibilty.

by tpl on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Why is everyone so hard on USC QB's

What has an Oklahoma QB done in the NFL? Nothing! Carson Palmers career before the knee injury was going great. So M.L. and Sanchez haven’t worked out. Oklahoma QB’s are batting a big 0 right now. I though Sam Bradford would excel under McDaniels. I mean Kyle Orton looked like a QB with McDaniels as his coach. Jones will be a perfect fit on a team where he doesn’t need to start, and he has players around him. With the O-line problems the Dolphins have Jones is not a good fit.

by TheFins on Dec 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Troy Aikman was a Sooner

He transferred to UCLA after the Canes knocked him out for the season.

Just saying….

by FinsSince70 on Dec 16, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

UCLA get credit for Aikman not Oklahoma. Sorry man.

You can’t give credit to Oklahoma for how Aikman progressed at UCLA. Aikman does not say he is a Sooner QB he says he is a UCLA QB.

by TheFins on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam Bradford looked plenty good before the Rams allowed him to get pounded to death this season

To be fair, Oklahoma ran the wishbone offense longer than any other school in the country. And Troy Aikman likely would’ve remained a Sooner if not for the broken leg he suffered at the hands of Jerome Brown and the U in 1985. His injury opened the door for a very successful wishbone QB (Jamelle Holieway), and the rest is, well, history. Aikman to UCLA, so on and so forth …

Also, how many great QBs came out of Pitt?

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by kmb8488 on Dec 16, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez looked good his fist two years as well.

THe jury is still out on Bradford, but you don’t base Landry Jones on a OK 1st year and a nothing second year.

by TheFins on Dec 16, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I want Ryan Tannehill....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 16, 2011 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

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by wild zion beaver on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He is not the answer.

Im an Aggie/ Phinatic. Tannehill only looks good because of his great reciever corps and a phenominal run game. We lost 5 games with double digit leads going into the half. He had 3rd quarter interceptions in most of those games. He did not have a lot of great deep pass plays, mostly his recievers put up big yards after the catch.

Oh yeah, and RGIII is not much better.

Luck or bust

by John Kramer on Dec 17, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade down a few for Jones and be done with it.

If SOMEHOW Jones is picked then Tannehill is not a bad 2nd choice. If need be, Moore can start while the drafted player learns (Moore is bound to get hurt anyway). With the picked up draft picks from trading down, we can have a nice TE, RT, and S too.

by Mustang920 on Dec 16, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

You cant trade down if you want a QB in the first

If he’s your guy then take him. Plus this FO’s track record with 2nd rd. picks is atrocious

With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 16, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I see you like cocks....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 17, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones will raise again once the season ends and he gets to the combine. The big arm and his history will overcome any doubts from the last few games of the year.

by malarky on Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly Jones should probably go back to school

He does have 2 legit weapons coming back in Kenny Stills and Jazz Reynolds. The main draw back and you nailed it is that Stoops looks like he was expecting Jones to leave so he was getting Bell ready for next year. So he might just be asked to leave by the coaching staff

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 16, 2011 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, his situation right now kind of sucks

Even if OU welcomes him back, I can’t see him putting up the kind of numbers that will elevate over the QBs who will likely be first-round worthy in 2012 (Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, etc.). His best bet, IMO, is to come and absolutely kill his combine/pro day workouts. That should get him comfortably into the middle of round one.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 16, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In terms of talent I dont think Landry Jones is special or has a ton of potential

His offense is incredibly gimmicky and scripted so he doesnt really read defenses or be asked to “make all the throws” The end of the year proved that without great talent around him he looks incredibly average

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 16, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

What if Robert Griffin III had lost the uber-ridiculous Kendall Wright halfway through this season? Would he still have won the Heisman?

Difference is RG3 made those wide recievers great..not the other way around. As he hit everyone for big plays up and down the field. Even if Wright wasn’t there you could still see he was explosive with all of his recievers.

by Shankdiddy on Dec 16, 2011 5:54 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

plus, broyles is much better than wright

Remember, broyles is a projected 1st rounder, while wright is projected 3rd round

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by AnishB15 on Dec 16, 2011 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No way. Wright is as explosive a receiver as there is in college football right now

While Broyles is more a do-everything possession guy, IMO.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 17, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Cousins

A guy I have been impressed with this year is Cousins from Michigan State. I have watched about 3 games this year and one was against a ranked opponent and he always looks calm in the pocket, has a strong arm, and is very accurate. I forget who he was playing against a few weeks ago, but he was lights out. He completed like 75% of his passes. He should have had more except there were a few drops. They lost a close one, but it was the defense, Wr drops, and Rb fumble that cost them the game. But everytime I have seen this kid play I have been impressed.

by miamimike71 on Dec 17, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

My first choice is RG III hands down...if we can not get him I would take

Tannehill over Jones…both have a quick release but Tannehill is much more athletic.
I don’t see a downside to taking RG III except his bulk…a few more lbs would be nice for durability….and don’t compare him to Pat White …..White was just under 6’ I believe and under 190 lbs….RG III is 220 lbs.
Just my humble!

by MassFinFan65 on Dec 17, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

I would rather have RG3 or Barkley

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