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Saturdays to Sundays--A Look at College Prospects Who Could Soon Be Miami Dolphins

Part of being a Dolphins fan is accepting the fact that Miami's front office is usually going to botch its first-round pick in the NFL Draft every spring. Some die-hard fans might think this statement is a bit harsh, so we'll let the facts do the talking here:

During Dan Marino's 17 seasons in Miami, the Dolphins hit right on just four of their first-round picks (Richmond Webb in '90, Troy Vincent in '92, O.J. McDuffie in '93, and Tim Bowens in '94). Since Marino's retirement in early 2000, the Dolphins have hit right on just three of their first-round picks (Vernon Carey in 2004, Jake Long in 2008, and Vontae Davis in 2009. Mike Pouncey also looks like a successful pick, but we'll omit him since he's still a rookie), whiffed on Drew Brees (twice actually--the first time, for a midget Wisconsin cornerback; the second time, for a one-legged Daunte Culpepper in free agency), drafted a running back over Aaron Rodgers (who's turned out to be okay), drafted the position-less Jason Allen (who, while in college, was once bulldozed by the running back we drafted over Aaron Rodgers), and selected the entire Ted Ginn family over players such as Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis.

Quite the sobering list, huh? I bring all of these facts up not to torment anyone here, but because a lot of fans on this board have stated they believe the Dolphins are currently winning themselves out of a chance to draft an elite quarterback prospect in April 2012--a draft Miami absolutely cannot afford to botch the way they have time and time again over the last 27 years.

For some, it was bad enough that the Dolphins took themselves out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes (which turned out to be unattainable anyway), and then for Miami to put together beat-down victories over Washington, Buffalo and Oakland, well, we might as well just take our Matt Barkley and Robert Griffin III tickets and flush them down the toilet (provided those two even declare). Landry Jones? Don't bother--guy has flat-out murdered his draft stock over the last six weeks.

If all of the above is true, then just what are the Dolphins supposed to do about their quarterback position? Pencil in Matt Moore as the long-term starter and continue on with their current brand of Bill Parcells-approved Jurassic Park football strategery? Well, provided the Dolphins see Matt Moore as a transitional guy under center and don't trade up for one of the aforementioned signal callers, Miami could be in a good position to draft the potential sleeper quarterback of the 2012 draft.

Star-divide

Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M

If the world learned anything from the 2011 NFL Draft, it's this: great college quarterbacks come in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder were supposedly weak armed and too short to play the position, yet they are both in the midst of strong rookie campaigns. Cam Newton was branded as an oversized misfit with poor intelligence, yet he looks like the second coming of Ben Roethlisberger right now. Jake Locker has only seen limited duty, but came in for an injured Matt Hasselbeck against the Atlanta Falcons last month and looked promising. Meanwhile, Blaine Gabbert, the best combination of size, athleticism and arm strength of any quarterback in the 2011 draft, has been unwatchable for the toothless Jacksonville Jaguars this season. Go figure.

Just when you think you've figured out how to grade college quarterbacks, a draft class like this comes around and completely tears down every preconceived notion there is for signal callers transitioning to the NFL. However, having spent the last three months watching gobs of Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill's tape--and realizing that he is still a viewed as a second-round-worthy pick at this time--I am not so sure everyone got the memo about college quarterbacks being more than meets the eye.

Tannehill (6'4", 220) has two factors working against him right now: he's in a draft class that could be (and probably will be) chock full of head-turning quarterbacks by the time the draft declaration deadline expires in mid-January, and he's only been the Aggies' starting QB for a season and a half after ... wait for it ... spending his first two seasons in College Station as a wide receiver. Of course I'll give you a moment to soak that in. Take your time ...

And ... we're back. Now, I want to make it clear that Tannehill's move to wide receiver was a tad bit misleading. Tannehill arrived in College Station as a quarterback, and after landing the third-string spot behind Aggies signal callers Stephen McGee and Jerrod Johnson, the redshirt frosh was asked to switch to wideout by then-head coach Mike Sherman. Tannehill complied with the switch for the good of the team, but stated in interviews that he had his sights on taking over Texas A&M's quarterback spot at some point. "Some point" turned out to be A&M's 2010 meeting with Texas Tech--a game in which Tannehill put up an A&M-record 449 yards passing. After dicing up Oklahoma the next week, Tannehill cemented his spot as Texas A&M's No.1 gun. Since that point, Tannehill has demonstrated a strong, growing command of the Aggies' offense.

Plenty of work to be done

Despite his small body of work as a college quarterback, a lot of positives jump out with Tannehill's tape. He's got a nice, live arm and throws with impressive accuracy. He's obviously mobile enough, can roll out in either direction and throws really well on the run. He's big enough to stand in the pocket comfortably, operates out of a pro-style scheme and has developed a feel for pump fakes and off-looks during his short time as A&M's starting quarterback. His release is unique--a sort of Philip-Rivers-like motion, but with more torque coming from the shoulder. And he displays good touch on deep throws.

His tape also has some not-so-great parts, however. Tannehill is still a bit too finicky in the pocket and rushes through his progressions at times (he's gotten much better at slowing things down this season, though). His footwork in the pocket is nothing to write home about, and he's not exactly the fastest quarterback you'll ever see. And then there's his lack of true game experience under center. Tannehill lacks polish, but has the look of a bona-fide playmaker while standing in the pocket. That play-making ability is why Tannehill is an ideal prospect for a team that can sit him for a year and allow him to learn under their current starter, and with Matt Moore now serving as an official stopgap for the Dolphins, Tannehill makes plenty of sense for Miami.

Verdict

Believe it or not, but it's still too early to know just how many first- and second-round-worthy quarterbacks will be available in 2012. Nevertheless, Tannehill is too good to escape the early portion of round two, and with a strong combine/pro-day showing, can catapult right into the thick of round one, especially if Oklahoma's Landry Jones decides to return to school.

Maybe the Dolphins have won themselves out of Luck, Barkley and Griffin III (it remains to be seen), but there's no reason why they can't get outstanding production out of prospects like Tannehill, Arizona's Nick Foles or Michigan State's Kirk Cousins. Snobbier Dolphins fans will likely thumb their nose at these three prospects right off the bat, but in an offense that could use a healthy dose of aggressiveness, arm strength and accuracy at the quarterback position, Tannehill, Foles and Cousins could turn into very good pros. The point is that the Dolphins will have plenty of quarterback options in this draft. If they like one of the "big four" QBs, I think Miami has enough talent to package some picks and move up in order to take their guy. If the big four aren't available, and the Dolphins see something they really like in another prospect, they can move down (I know ... I can hear the groans on this blog already), pick a quarterback with considerably less risk (than a top 10 selection would warrant, of course) and be done with it. I am not saying this is what the Dolphins should do, but it's important to know that there is indeed life after Luck, Barkley and RG3 in this draft.

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I think the whole point in drafting an early first round qb is that he’ll be elite. Thats the only situation you draft a qb in the first round with Moore on the roster. This guy seems like a waste of a first round pick, not enough value for it I don’t think.

by Irishphan on Dec 10, 2011 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

True

But are we talking Ryan Leaf elite or Tim Couch elite? The team would be better off drafting Kalil or Martin and shore up the right side of the o-line, and have potential bookend All-Pro tackles.

As for taking a QB in the 2nd…I’d be happy with Tannehill or Weeden, but to be honest, I loke Moore, and think he becomes much better if we have an elite o-line.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 10, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The only slamdunk qb is Luck, and he has a great O line and run game. It makes sense to me to trade our first for 2 picks if anyone wants it (unless any of the top 3 qbs are still on the board). That gives more picks for the right side of the O line, safety, pass rusher and a second round pick qb. The other positions need more help than qb right now in my opinion.

by Irishphan on Dec 10, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy seems like a waste of a first round pick, not enough value for it I don’t think.

Ok. Based on what?

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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The first round pick should be someone who is one of the best at his position coming out of college, It should be someone who is going to be one of your better players straight away. Pouncey I think is a good example of what a successful first round pick, it doesn’t have to be an immediate probowler, but it does have to be someone who already has the skills to do well in the NFL as a rookie. Tannehill has limited experience, and needs a lot of work to improve (the coaches have also proven to be bad at developing qbs that are similiar to him. Sure theres a lot of potential there, but do you really want to spend a first round pick on him? Especially when you have other guys like him who they could get for a second pick like Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles.
I could easily be proved wrong but I just think its a bit risky. Maybe I’m too conservative.

by Irishphan on Dec 11, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

How have we won out of barkley or RG3 we still have top ten picks and not everyone wants a QB the only wons are Colts, Redskins, and maybe browns but not for sure and they might not pick QBS

by Carter Melrose on Dec 10, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

The Browns are now a threat, IMO

Though I am not sure whether they’ll look to replace Colt McCoy or simply give him weapons (he has almost zero talent to work with right now). Like I said below, if Cleveland stays out of our way, Robert Griffin III will be a Dolphin. This is what I want, and likely what a lot of you want, too. But if something screwed-up happens and we’re on the outside looking in when it comes to the big four, then we need to think about the next tier. I know this isn’t the sexy option right now, but I just want to make people aware of what can happen if we can’t draft “elite” guys.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Not RG3, Ryan Tannehille

I do think there’s a question mark about RG3 though.
He could easily remove all doubt, but he comes across as a lot better suited to the college game than the NFL.

by Irishphan on Dec 10, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Tannehill will be a late 1 selection

It doesn’t take much for quarterbacks to slingshot into the first round (hello, Christian Ponder), so it’s really beyond me to try and assume where guys like Tannehill, Foles and Cousins will land.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I say keep winning and trade up!

Look you’ve pointed out how bad at drafting Miami has been. I say why keep a lot of picks that we will wash out any? Give up a couple 1’s and some other picks for a top pick for whichever QB get’s the nod as the best. I would even suggest going all in on Luck. This team has shown we have the skill to win and while we will be losing out on new young talent chances are we’d waste them anyway.

by Pirate25 on Dec 10, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Can't really argue with anything here. If the Dolphins are indeed as talented as they've looked the last month, then trading up makes tons of sense

If anything, this season has warranted Miami going all in on the QB they want.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't argue with this but Ireland has drafted fairly well.

Look at the “hit right” in KMB’s article. 2 of them were drafted with this regime and I think you can add Pouncey to that list. The jury is still out on Odrick though. So 3 out of 4 1st round picks have been solid, if not great, draft picks.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agreed. He's already better than Maurkice, IMO

Which is funny, since many people claimed Mike was riding his brother’s coattails into the NFL.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, so true

All the talk was he couldn’t “shotgun snap”; sure he struggled early in college but got much better as the season went on. He has a few bad snaps this year but for a rookie centre has been fantastic. Imagine how bad things would have been early if he wasn’t there with Long still recovering and play very pedestrian (well….. for JL)?

by Agent J 78 on Dec 10, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the fact Mike moved over to center after Maurkice left Florida, I'd say he picked up the position really quickly

Very few centers are athletic enough to quickly get into the second level of defense and blow up defenders on a consistent basis, and Mike Pouncey makes it look easy. The great ones (Dwight Stephenson, Dermontti Dawson) had that ability, and I see it in MP. He’s going to be a ridiculous player for us.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Already is.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Tannehill

With Miami winning, and I expect them to be 7-9 or 8-8, which will result in a mid first round pick, is whether its better for Miami to fortify the offense around Matt Moore, or draft a QB. Another question is how good is Pat Devlin after spending a year on the practice squad? I would like to see Pat Devlin start the last two games. And there are good QB’s available in the second round. Plus my guess is Tannehill will be a second day pick, due to the lack of a lot of starts as a college QB, so Miami could wait until the 3rd round to draft him. But I think Nick Foles would also be a good addition.

by tpl on Dec 10, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Good points

I think Tannehill, Foles and Cousins will be in the mix for late first round/early second round selections.

If Cleveland stays out of our way in the first round, RG3 is as good as ours. They are the main threat right now, IMO.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

new poster

hi all!….I’m a native Miamian and lived bin dade county from1951-1972 an original Dolphan
nsince 1965 when Joe Robbie a
nd Danny Thomas bought the team…I thinik Matt Moore deserves a good chance as our
future QB….I think Casey Keenum or Russell Wilson would both make good competition f9or the back up osition…Jacory Harris deserves a look too from the U….I haven’t posted in about 7 years but read the posts from the sentinel, herald palm beach post and the Phinsider almost daily….Merry Christmas to all!

by ptLsteve on Dec 10, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

first off, Welcome to the site

2nd, Wilson is too short and I don’t know much about Keenum

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by Kdog92 on Dec 10, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

welcome to the site!

Wilson is too small to be more than a backup, and we only take keenum if we think moore can be a franchise qb. Harris should be available in UDFA, and I agree we should take him then, but we shouldn’t waste a pick on him.

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by AnishB15 on Dec 10, 2011 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Welcome to the site sir!

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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

^^This or

If we really want Griffin or Barkley trade up to get them…great QB’s are worth it…PERIOD!
I have actually see one report where Tannehill was rated higher then Barkely because of a much higher ceiling and better athleticism….+ he seems to have an “it” factor.

+ If we only win 2 out of the next 4 we are still in the Griffin sweepstakes!

by MassFinFan65 on Dec 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i think tannehill would be perfect for a team like philly, KC or NO

Philly and NO have established starters that are getting up there in age and they could use someone in the wings. KC has cassel, but he isn’t going to take them to the SB, but they could afford to start him for a few years while tannehill develops. Tannehill has all the physical talent in the world and a great arm, but having switched from WR to QB in college has delayed him from learning the mental aspects of the position.

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by AnishB15 on Dec 10, 2011 10:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I wouldn't say the wide receiver stint delayed him learning the mental aspects. He clearly understands the position and how to operate a pro-style offense

With Tannehill, I think he’s most raw in terms of pocket presence and footwork. There are times on his tape where he flushes out of the pocket much earlier than necessary, and he needs to become more deliberate with his mechanics when throwing downfield. But in terms of awareness and vision, he improved tenfold in the time between the 2010 and 2011 seasons. I didn’t think at the start of this season that he’d be more than a third-round pick, but his improvement in mental approach over the last three months has absolutely swayed me. He has outstanding football intelligence.

I certainly see what you’re saying, however. And thanks for contributing!

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I too, will respectfully disagree only because

I always thought a “good use” of the 1st round pick was on someone who can come in right away and contribute. Obviously drafting someone who is going to be a franchise (anything) is a good idea, just not in the first round, because again, how can you be sure? (since they’re not ready to go now)

by meleechampion on Dec 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

It is still a little early but I think you could add Mike Pouncey to the list.
Since Marino’s retirement in early 2000, the Dolphins have hit right on just three of their first-round picks (Vernon Carey in 2004, Jake Long in 2008, and Vontae Davis in 2009)

by Agent J 78 on Dec 10, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

I would absolutely add Pouncey to this list, but kept him out since he hasn't even finished his rookie campaign

Still, I might be the biggest Pouncey fan on this board.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I too have been a big fan from the moment we drafted him

but it is hard to defend a pick that isn’t “sexy”. We have the 2 most important positions on the OL shored up for the next decade.

by Agent J 78 on Dec 10, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats because there is an entire generation (minus a few that get it) that think all you need is a bunch of flashy

skills players.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Truth

I live in the Chicagoland area, and you should hear Bears fans here ranting about how they desperately need a franchise center. I know the feeling, and I am so glad we have a rare talent at that position. He’s going to be a great one, IMO.

Also, for those who actually care, I encourage you to compare Mike Pouncey with the 2012 center class. Wisconsin’s Peter Konz will be the No.1 prospect if he declares (Badger linemen usually stay for their senior season, though), with Ohio State’s Michael Brewster and Georgia’s Ben Jones as the No. and No. 3 prospects, respectively. Konz is a very, very good center, but I don’t think he’s even close to Pouncey’s level in terms of athleticism or straight-up awareness at the position.

I know people here are still upset about taking Pouncey at No.15 overall, but you could watch football for decades and not see a center with the skill set of Maurkice or Mike Pouncey. Those guys are ridiculous talents.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as we get our QB of the future with this years pick no one will in the long run be able to question

that pick. I still think that many on this site underestimate the actual impact of a good to great center and it seems as if we have the second best one we have ever had. On many teams he might be the best they ever had but we have already had the best center the NFL has EVER seen.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 11, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if we lose out on RGIII and Barkley

we can still get Kellen Moore. He’s essentially Chad Pennington with a better arm, and we could possibly get him in the 2nd round. I know that he’s not the name that everyone wants, but he’s accurate, intelligent, poised, and wins. Sounds like a QB that any team could use.

by BobLoblaw113 on Dec 10, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

5 sacks for a 3-4 DE is enough for me to say you can add Odrick to this list,

If you add Vontae. Injury last year hurt him, but he came in solid while most were out of shape or worse.

Truth is, I dont see just how weve faltered in any of the first round picks since this regime came in. Our problem has been in the second round.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 10, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Another most excellent freakin article. Rec'd.

I believe that only the Colts and Redskins ahead of the Dolphins will pick quarterbacks. That leaves a top third ine to get selected by them….

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by Alpha6 on Dec 10, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

i hope so

That means we get either RGIII or barkley, and shanahan seems like more of a barkley kind of guy, so RGIII should be ours.

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by AnishB15 on Dec 10, 2011 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, Alpha

And I agree with Anish that Shanahan would almost certainly go the Barkley route if given the option. RG3 is a rare talent, but Barkley is a plug-in-and-play prospect, and Shanahan isn’t in a position where he can be patient. He needs results pronto.

Again, I just hope Cleveland decides to enable Colt McCoy with offensive weapons instead of finding his suitor in this draft. And I am not sure Robert Griffin III is a Mike Holmgren-type player anyway. Tough call, though.

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by kmb8488 on Dec 10, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

NO MORE SLEEPER QB'S

IF Luck, Barkely or RG3 aint available draft a LT, Safety or WR and wait for QB next draft. NO MORE 2ND ROUND OR PROJECTS

by ceo86 on Dec 10, 2011 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff KMB

I read some stuff about Tannehill the other day and he sounds intriguing as a prospect. I still want the Dolphins to draft RG3, but Tannehill wouldn’t be a bad option, especially if we traded down and acquired a few more picks.

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by The Earl on Dec 10, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

Cousins sucks donkey cock

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 11, 2011 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

lol. I appreciate the subtlety

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by kmb8488 on Dec 11, 2011 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL He does not comment too often so when he does he wants there to be some startling impact!

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