My ideal offseason for 2012
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 1, 2011 1:09 AM EST
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PrintDisclaimer:This idea is not for everyone. It is a reflection of what I think should be done this offseason. Some might not like it, as a matter of fact, a lot wont. There is no first round quarterback. Personally, I believe that at least one of the fab four does not come out this year. Keep in mind, I will be looing at and addressing free agency as well. so without further ado, here is what I would do if I was in the front office.
Coaching
I am probably one of the only people that would say we should keep Sparano. However, if the Owner forces my hand, I would select Dave Toub, current special teams coach for the Chicago Bears. Why? Because he is a big reason Devin Hester has a spot in the record books. His schemes are out of this world, and I believe that with Gates, Bush, and even Davone Bess, I believe he could do great things.
Not only that, but it clears the debate of whether we have a defensive or offensive minded coordinator. Neither, Nolan and Dasboll are fine where they are at.
Free Agency
I chose this part first because it allows you to get a clearer picture of my draft.First and foremost, who do we get rid of or let walk. Soliai is gone. As are Langford and Bell. Langford is a good player, but he is a free agent, and quite frankly, with Starks, Odrick, and McDaniel being more productive, the quantity just doesnt demand more. On offense, both Carey and the turnstyle are gone. Basically, mostly just the old or expensive that do not produce.
Free Agency additions
Jason Campbell QB: This guy is a case of having all the talent in the world, without the confidence. I really think between him and Moore, Daboll will have a field day with these two.
Robert Meachum WR: Last year we got Reggie Bush from the Saints, this year, they give us another talented weapon. His contract wont need to be as excessive as some free agents, but one cant doubt that this kid would be a talented number two if he wasnt hidden on the Saints explosive offense.
Chad Rinehart OG: With Carey gone, we need a placeholder for whomever we draft. Not to say he is a season long starter, I expect him to be overtaken by mid season, once our rookie gets a bit of the playbook in him.
Anthony Spencer OLB: I know, I know.... ANOTHER Cowboy.... the difference is, while this guy is no Demarcus Ware, he is a solid contributer that produces opposite the Dallas superstar. Which is exactly what we would ask him to do opposite Wake.
Tyvon Branch S: Well, here is the thing. Bell is productive, but he is making 8 million dollars next season, and is better in man, whereas we need a safety that fits our zone that we love so well. Enter Tyvon, whos biggest strength? You guessed it, he is crappy in man, but excels in zone. however this deal will only probably save us about 3 million. BTW< you get to see this kid in action if you tune into the Oakland game.
Cortland Finnegan CB: This is our key aqquisition for the year,and I know what you guys are thinking. We have Davis, Smith, and our rookie is showing promise, how many corners do we need? isnt this guy a problem child? the answers are as follows, yes we have them, in todays nfl, you can never have enough corners, and yes, he is as dirty as they come. which is what our defense lacks. We have the confidence down pat, but not the attitude to do whatever it takes to back it up.
With free agency looked at, wecome to thebread and butter of the offseason. The NFL draft. This post has been ultra long, so I will just get to it with limited if any explanations.
First, let me explain something. I do not think we will see all four QB's enter this years draft. That being said, the likelyhood that we would actually get an opportunity to draft one is slim to none. I would not settle, and I would not move up. period. Too many needs, not enough picks, so what do we do? You guessed it, trade down. Get a later first, Third, Fourth, and a second for next year.
Rd 1: Alameda Ta'amu NT Washington
Rd 2: Barrett Jones OT Alabama
Rd 3a: Kirk Cousins QB Michigan St.
Rd 3b: Brandon Taylor FS LSU
Rd 4: Rokevious Watkins G/T S. Carolina
Rd 4b: Cameron Chism CB Maryland
Rd 6: Tavon Wilson SS Illinois
Rd 7: Chad Bumphis WR Mississippi St.
Well there you have it. What I would do if I was in charge in the 2012 offseason. What do you guys think? Would you be pissed if this happened?
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I would be pissed.....
When we were sitting at 0-7 a 1st QB seemed like the lock of all locks. If we don’t wind up with a top tier QB this offseason it will be a fail of epic magnitude. I’m not knocking your article by any means, though. I’m all for keeping Daboll and Nolan on board. I think we would have to trade up into the top 5 to get one of the top 3 if all 4 don’t declare. Otherwise I’m looking to see what Manning or Flynn will cost us. I like the free agent acquisitions, but if any of those prevented us from having the cap space to get a QB….No thanks. We’ve been irrelevent too long now. This is the year of the QB.
What is with all the Matt Flynn love?
Can anyone explain it? Or is it just because he plays for the Packers and gets to sub into one of the most talented offenses on the NFL?
Matt Flynn’s College Career
7th Round pick out of LSU: In college he had one season with more than 50 attempts. In that season he racked up a 56% Comp Pct, 6.7 yards/attempt and 21 TD’s. None of this is impressive. He only started one year and has no history of production of improvement. His college rating actually decline the more he played.
Matt Flynn’s Career NFL Statistics
Games Started = 1
Record as a Starter = 0-1
Career Attempts = 86 (59.3% completion)
TD’s = 3
INT = 4
Yards/attempt = 6.2
Rating = 69.7
What among these statistics leads anyone to believe Flynn is solid NFL starter? His numbers are inferior to what Kevin Kolb put up in Philly. So far Kolb’s production has been comparable to Henne’s. By deductive reasoning we can conclude that Matt Flynn <= Chad Henne.
I don't love guy....
Looking to see what the price tag is hardly equals that. To be quite honest I’d prefer to draft a QB and bring back Henne and Moore. Since I think we can all agree Henne is gone, we will still need another QB IMO. After seeing all the injuries to QBs this year, I want 3 QBs on the active roster next season.
What do you propose if we’re picking 10th and miss out on all of the first round QBs? Now we’re looking at Matt Moore being the only QB on the active roster. Me, personally, you better believe I’m kicking the tires. Once the bidding goes higher than what Henne’s is, I tap out.
I think you're going to find many people would be very pissed at this scenario.......
Going into 2012 with Campbell and Moore as our QBs? Not exactly a winning combination there.
Naming a special teams coordinator as head coach???? That alone would cause your entire fanbase to mutiny.
As will letting 3 of your most consistent members on defense walk in FA.
I will however agree with the Meachem signing. We could use a good sized deep threat to compliment BM and Bess. I like Hartline, but he’s better suited as a slot receiver.
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No offense but I don’t see how that sets us in the right direction for 2012. For how many years have we had to settle with a middle of the pack qb. My goal is the super bowl, not to squeak by to the playoffs.
And I don’t know how I feel about hiring a ST coach and making him in charge of the game and expecting him to control the possession, offensive and defensive lines and rotations. ST’s accounts for like 5% of the game, just because this guy has had the best returner in NFL history does not mean we should hand him the keys to our franchise.
I think id be happier keeping Sparano, but as much as I like him, I don’t think we should have Sparano, or Moore as our franchise qb next year
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by BSerious72 on Dec 2, 2011 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If even one of the QBs we clamor about decide to go back to school
We lose a 25% chamce of landing a first round talent at the qb position. Seeing as we already are out of the running for Luck, that drops us down to 50%.
Barkley is slated to go no lower than the fourth pick next season, especially if Carolina continues its losing ways. That leaves one QB left thats worthy of a first round pick when we draft. Thats if we continue to lose out. What if we dont get the chance to draft a QB? Given the list of needs for the team, and the chance that we may need to fill even more, do we hedge our bets and trade up?
Every pick we get rid of is another position we have to fill with a free agent. That is going to get costly fast.
As for making the special teams coach a head coach. There is precedence where the coach is successful. It could stand to reason that he would be nothing more than a game manager, leaving the offensive and defensive playcalling to the coordinators. This would be beneficial, especially if he keeps both Daboll and Nolan. Both seem to be handling it with moderate success.
A new coach doesnt always mean EVERYTHING changes.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please name the last ST coach promoted to HC to be successful in the NFL.
Hell, I’ll be happy if you can just name one. Has it ever happened in the NFL before?
As for drafting a 1st round QB, if we keep winning, chances are we will have to trade up in order to draft one. Of the 4 QBs, I only see RG3 as the only one to probably play another year in college. The rest will all enter the draft IMO. If they all enter, our best bet will be RG3 or Landry Jones (Jones would be my choice) anywhere between the 5th-10th picks. Which if we’re drafting around 12th (right now we’re in the top 10, but I see us winning at least 2 more games), means we wouldn’t have to give up the farm to move up.
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Campbell would be perfect for us
I mean, he’s everything we’ve had at QB the last decade. Mediocre, snooze-inspiring, back-up material. A competition between him and Moore would yield zero QB’s. Anytime you have a QB competition involving either of them, you’re season is going to suck.. and we want BOTH? So 3 years from now, you are gonna be writing this exact same article, talking about giving Kirk Cousins more time, and bringing in Kellen Clemens to compete with him because the kid has already failed everywhere else. I’ll pass.
And btw, Toub isn’t the reason Hester is in the record books. Hester is the reason Dave Toub actually shows up in a google search.
I love love love the Meachem signing, but I don’t know if a) he’ll leave NO, and b) if he does leave, if we can afford him. I also really like the Finnegan signing, although Brent Grimes may come cheaper and is better IMO.
Not a fan of the draft at all. No impact in any of the first 3 rounds, and a QB in the 3rd round to add to Campbell/Moore, even though we (and many other teams) haven’t carried 3 QB’s all season. So we are drafting a guy in the 3rd that will either be cut or PS’d. I would feel like the offseason had been a failure if this is how it played out, but I would definitely be excited about 2-3 of the acquisitions..
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Agree with this...
Just no to Campbell and Toub doesn’t have any experience on the offense or defense other than a 3 year stint as a DL coach in college. If we had to go for a ST coach over all others, which I wouldn’t want to do, I’d go with Mike Westhoff. If we wanted to go for a QB in free agency, which I’d only do to replace Moore and to team with a young QB, I’d go with Matt Flynn. We know what Campbell is and the answer is he’s not a franchise QB.
I’m not particularly huge on the signing of Meachem, but he should come pretty cheaply so it doesn’t bother me. He has a lot of ability, but he has a tendency to disappear for long stretches.
As for the draft, Im not thrilled on it. I would absolutwely go with a QB in the first. Ta’amu is not a first round pick. If we had to go with the front seven, I would go with Coples to be an OLB or take Courtney Upshaw if we traded down. Heck, I would take Matt Kalil in a heartbeat over Ta’amu.
I do like Finnegan, but I agree about Grimes. I have absolutely no qualms about adding a CB because Sean Smith has struggled this year with his play and Vontae Davis has struggled to stay on the field. A duo of Davis/Grimes or Davis/Finnegan would be very good. Carlos Rogers and Terrell Thomas are also good options for CBs. I don’t mind the Tyvon Branch signing as I think Bell’s career is on the downward slope, but I’d have to go for someone like Laron Landry first. Maybe we don’t land him because he’ll be the top safety, but I’d have to try. Chris Harris also wouldn’t be a bad option.
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Ouch Nicky, but I agree 100%, he lost me at Campbell.I find you comment better suited to read!!! And far more acurate !!
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I share the opinion here above that naming a ST coordinator as your head coach may not cut it, at many levels. It is clear though that a new HC and GM are needed.
I am someway intrigued by the idea of getting Jason Campbell and drafting a QB later, it’s a more flexible option than putting all of your eggs in the1st round QB basket. Although Little Nicky may be right, we may end up with 3 mediocre QBs …
I can see the Phins getting rid of Langford and Bell, we have got overabundance of DLmen and SS thus we’d be better off with younger and cheaper options.
For the rest, we may argue the names you choose, but the holes to fill are just them:
veterean QB (although Moore could be the one), rookie QB, at least one starting caliber OLman, 2nd WR, one starting caliber OLB, CB & FS.
Obviously, the most critical of all is QB …
Yeah these are not going to fly with either the owner or the fan base but at least you know how to think outside of the box.
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Lmao; jeesy we will be lucky if barkly is available when we pick we have more wins the the Vikings!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 9, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Barkley would be good but I would be willing to trade up for him or RG3.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
This is what all the clammoring is about, we "trade up" sumwhere we wind up (loseing a stud player) eather a pick in 2nd or third rd.
Christ all mighty; we are in a spot to recover “sumone elses tallent” that rightfully should be ours to begain with. This is why i lose face in front office!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 10, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Its out of our hands but we must keep the faith or we will loose our minds.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Rookie owner, Ross can't win for loseing, (but damn) can't get it rite to save face. mal'con'tent seams to sux!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 10, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's going to be fine or at least I have to tell myself that to keep from slipping in to insanity.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 11, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Oky doky Doc.Zarcoff!
E plerabus unium!!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 11, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Err all it takes is muney!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 11, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a Dr. nor do I play on one TV or on this blog.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 11, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
U can say its going to be "fine" doc. but lets not back-slide like we don't know the real answers!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 14, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
i appreciate everyones comments.
I guess I am just trying to think unlike everyone else a find another route to take other than the same song and dance.
NT is to me the third most important position behind qb and lt.
So let me pose this question, what moves would u make?
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 1, 2011 8:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
OK, here goes:
Free Agency Acquisitions:
Greg Olsen – TE, CAR
Ben Grubbs – T, BAL
I’d also make a run at Calais Campbell (DE/LB – Ariz) – that just might be me being a U homer, but I think he’d fit well in our DLine rotation, or even a rush linebacker opposite Cam Wake.
Draft:
1 – Matt Barkley – QB, USC
2 – Mark Barron – SS, Bama
3 – LaMichael James – RB, Oregon
4 – Brandon Washington, G/T, The U
5 – DeQuan Menzie, CB, Bama
6 – Jonathan Bostic, ILB, Florida
7 – Dan Hoch, OT, Missouri
Let the tomato throwing begin! :)
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, Carolina only gave Olsen a one year deal?
Oh and not a bad draft. I go back and forth between Barkley and Griffin. I think Griffin has an unlimited ceiling and might be the sort of QB that we have never seen in the NFL but might take a bit to reach his full potential at the next level. Barkley is plug and play, ready to go from day one!
Oh and there is no shame being a U homer. Look around the league and you see the impact of players from the U every week. Also remember it was not the U nor its fan or players that gave it the nick name the U. It was the NFL scouts.
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I don’t think they signed Olsen to an extension. He had 1 year left on his deal and they traded for him. I haven’t heard as to whether or not they re-signed him. If that’s the case, I’d take a run at Kellen Davis with the Bears. I’d say Fred Davis, but I highly doubt Washington lets him walk after the season.
As far as the draft is concerned, I was torn between Barkley and Landry Jones. I’m not a huge fan of Griffin, although I can see the argument of him being a star in the NFL. You’re right about Barkley – he’s ready to go, day 1. Barron would be a great addition to the secondary, and I see huge value in Menzie going in round 5 (I’m going by Walter Football, in case anyone wants to check me on where these players are slotted to go) being a replacement for Will Allen. LaMichael James not only gives us a potential replacement for Reggie Bush, once his contract expires, but he also can be used as a PR/KR. The rest of the picks mentioned adds depth across the O-Line (especially with Brandon Washington being able to play both guard and tackle) and at LB.
My 2 cents…it’s a crap-shoot at this stage of the game.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
He signed a 4-year extension for close to $20 mil.
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Ah – well that blows. Kellen Davis, anyone?
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Its always a crap shoot. Even Luck could fail at the next level no matter what everyone claims. Sure he seems
to have a lower chance then most unless it happens and then everyone will say “I saw this coming!”.
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No question about that. At the end of the day, the safest pick (behind Luck, of course), in terms of a QB, is Barkley. He’s played in a pro-style offense for 30+ games, and there’s no denying the production.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I agree but I also don't see anything in Griffin or his makeup that says he will fail either.
He has the drive and effect on people and his teammates of a Tebow while being a better all round athlete, faster and a MUCH better passer.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it’s just the matter of preference. Personally, I prefer Barkley. I understand all your points about RG3, but in my mind’s eye, Barkley is the guy I’d run with.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I understand that. Not really my point. Just sort of answering the concept that he has a higher chance
of failure then the other two most have in front of him and I say its just as unlikely and maybe less likely based on intangibles. Honestly if Cam and Tebow can find success at this level I can not see a single reason that Griffin will not.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think I give a slight edge to Barkley...
But I’d be ecstatic with either of them. After months of it being Jones/Barkley as the #2 option, I think RG3 has moved ahead of Jones and is very close to Barkley. All four of them would still be better QB options in Miami than what we’ve had…
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Either way I hope Griffin lights up Texas tomorrow. Its his only real shot to win the Heisman any how.
Also Texas, while they suck because they can not score against a Jr. High girls team have a great defense and the best that Griffin will have faced all year. If Griffin lights them up then he should take the prize.
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Olsen won't be available
He received a four year extension from Carolina. I wouldn’t really be thrilled about James in Miami either though. He’s explosive, but I don’t see a fit for him. I’d rather see someone like Stanford TE Coby Fleener, Miami OLB Sean Spence, USC S TJ McDonald, Wisconsin OG Kevin Zeitler, or Miami (OH) OG Brandon Brooks.
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Great minds think alike
because I almost put Spence there, in place of James. In terms of a fit for James in Miami, keep in mind that Bush only signed a 2 year deal, so after 2012, he’s going to be a FA, looking for a long term deal for pretty big money. That was my reasoning for James in round 3. I could see Spence going there, as well as Fleener. TJ McDonald is a wildcard. Would you put him at FS, and pair him up with Barron, under this draft philosophy?
Another FA idea – anyone think Harry Douglas would be a viable option? Discuss.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, Finhead83 is a great mind? Wow, now I don't know what anything is. I think I am just going to go back to sleep.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Wish I could! Instead I’m at my cubical, listening to Christmas music from now until January 3rd…FML.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
LOL If it makes you feel better I have to go to work and listen to the same thing but I try to drown it out
with my own ipod.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Hey! I consider myself fairly smart...
I’ll at least settle for the smartest idiot you’ve ever encountered…
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Yes Finhead you are the smartest hick in hickville! Better?
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Also bonus points to anyone who can tell me where I got that quote from.
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HeeHaw? LOL
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I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
Hey, at least I tried....
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I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
Yes you did and you failed on an epic Little Nicky level.
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I don't watch movies so I just guess LOL.
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
That bad ?
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
LOL Too mean?
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Nah, np bro.
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
Much better!
I’m glad you finally put me above Jets fans…
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Well you were always that by default sir.
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Its that condesending sir that just grabs u by said throught & srry it's kinda what i do!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 9, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just messin
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by texascowpunk on Dec 10, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
*Quite*
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, Bush is gonna sign a 2-3 year extension. I think after this game we’ll see he could possibly hit 1000 yards this season if they use him right for the remaining games. Next year, he’ll be utilized better, hopefully and have a great year and he’ll be 27 but he’s hasn’t been run down like most 27-year-old backs so he could play at a high level like say a Fred Jackson from Buffalo who is 30 but balling now.
Haters gon' hate...
I would for sure give him 2 more years. I could see him having some VERY productive years if they
can use him correctly and not get him killed in the mean time.
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I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
Yeah ;buta new coach wood ask to much of him rite off getting hurt then were in deep over our heads!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 9, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
The only defense that Spence will have success in is in a 4-3
We run a 3-4 and as of right now Nolan has the D playing well. I dont see a good fit
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 2, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Some ok, but my take (no tomatoes):
Due to Olsen’s extension mentioned already, we might address the TE spot in the draft.
Also, I don’t necessarily agree with your picks in rounds 2-4. Why? Because this draft has more depth at the safety positions, and I think they will draft a FS, not a SS. I foresee Jones moving to SS. He’s a better fit there.
Even if we sign Grubbs, I think we will probably address the G position in the second or third round with someone like Kelechi Osemele or Kevin Zeitler or Ryan Miller (they love OLine versatility). If we address it in Round 4 like your scenario, I see someone like Lonnie Edwards or Rokevious Watkins. One of those guys should still be available.
I also don’t see you addressing the other OLB spot. That will have to be addressed as well.
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Dec 1, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
All good points. I obviously didn’t realize that Olsen had been inked to the long term extension upon being traded to the Panthers, so I would have to re-think that portion of it. I’d probably re-do my entire draft, to be honest, and probably draft Dwayne Allen (TE – Clemson) in Round 2.
So, my draft mulligan would be something like this:
Barkley
Allen
TJ McDonald – switching from the SS need to a FS like him.
Washington – love his versatility
Menzie – already mentioned above
Bostic – ILB depth
Hoch – depth at T
As far as the other OLB position opposite Wake, I think C. Campbell could fill that spot. As big as he is, he’s uber-athletic for his size, so I would take a chance on trying him there. Worst case scenario, he would be a great 3-4 defensive end in our scheme. If we were to fill that void via the draft, I would take LaMichael James out of the mix in Round 3, and draft Bruce Irvin. If we were to address it via free agency, I’d pursue a guy like Ahmad Brooks (SF) or Jarret Johnson (Balt).
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Clarification
2 things:
1 – Bruce Irvin – OLB, West Virginia
2 – I’d pursue Brooks or J. Johnson if Campbell isn’t the answer.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Good point on Campbell.
My opinion: wait until later rounds to draft TE. No denying Allen’s talent, but there are some very good seam-stretching TEs in the later rounds. I like Paulson, Lutzenkirchen, Ladarius Green, and Josh Chichester.
And Clay has done a very good job for us catching passes out of the backfield. My confidence in our TEs has grown because of him.
This would free up our 2nd round pick to use on another position of need.
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
And Clay has pushed Fasano.
Is it just me or has Fasano all of a sudden made the most of his limited opportunities now that Clay has been featured in the offensive plan??
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
i feel like fasano has always been solid as a receiving TE.
His blocking has been suspect at times. To me it seems that we have so many weapons on offense that Daboll forgets from time to time to utlize some of our players strengths. I know that Fasano has been kept back to block a lot of the time due to a trouble OLine, but i have never really doubted Fasano. Him and Clay together seems pretty good to me. I am sure there are upgrades out there, but i would liek to see the Front office fill more pressing needs in the offseason…like holder, long snapper, and practice squad secret santa… those would be my first three draft picks, after that, I would trade the rest of the picks to get brandstater back!
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or i woudl trade the last 4 picks for someone to take colombo away.
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If that’s the case, move Frank Alexander into that 2nd round pick slot. There’s your rush linebacker opposite Wake.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I really like Lutzenkirchen as well
If I were a GM I had have a hard time passing over Dwayne Allen but a consolation prize of WR-Kendall Wright in the 2nd and Lutz in the 3rd would be hard to pass up
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 2, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hell Yea
Even though we would not get Olsen because he signed a new deal you draft would make me cream in my wifes panties. I agree with you that Barkley sould be our pick if he comes out. I live in So. Cal and heard he is 50/50 on if he is going to leave college. If he does and we have a shot at him we take it. The rest of your draft and FA is awsome. I like it
Per Kdog, Barkley filed his papers with the NFL today, FYI. He posted a Fanshot about it earlier today.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
He filed his paper with the Draft Advisory Board.
It only means they’ll try to evaluate where he may be selected (top 10), but not that he is actually filing to enter the Draft. Still, I think the odds are over 50% he enters.
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I think that if he knows he can go top 5 this year he might be smart to jump. He could go number one next
or slide. I would not gamble if I were him.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
Oh yeah!
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is SOLID!
Personally I’d rather have RG III, but I certainly won’t cry if we take Barkley. I’m not familiar with your 5-7th round guys, I would probably look for a NT or another S in these rounds. I’m not sure I’d go with L. James (even though I’m a huge fan) in the 3rd, just based on it not being a position of need (yet). If we don’t come to terms with Soliai, this where I’d have the NT pegged. IF we were able to get all 3 of the FAs you mentioned, resigned Soliai, and drafted very similar to this, I’d feel extremely confident going into 2012. My only gripe would be lacking another S. YB won’t be around forever and we need a huge upgrade at FS.
My thought on that is drafting Barron with the intention of him playing FS, and letting YB play SS. Or maybe cutting YB (depending on his salary) and then I’d tinker around with Wilson and Barron back there.
Okay, going forward, I feel good about our TE situation with Fasano and Clay.
So “IF” we could resign Soliai, and ink Calais Campbell and Grubbs in the offseason. I’d feel good with DolphinNation’s original draft. I feel good, if not great, about all of our skill positions going into 2012. I’d be drafting QB, S, OL, OLB, CB/S, OL, RB/KR
Ugh gross a safety in the 2nd round
Thats terrible value.. RT, WR, OLB are more crucial
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 2, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
How is it terrible value if it's a position of need and the the guy has a 2nd round grade?
If we signed Grubbs, Carey slides back over to RT, I agree we need an OLB (Potentially C. Campbell), and our WR corps is pretty solid. IMO a QB is priority #1, “playmaking” S would be #2, Then OLB and CB would be #3a or #3b. depending on how free agency shook out. Having Wilson and Smith gives us a lot of versatility in our defensive backfield. We could certainly try them out at FS if we drafted Barron. This would give us a lot of cap space if we could cut Bell. In fact, if we could get a a CB in the 2nd round, that’d be two birds with one stone.
Safety's in general have little impact on games
We can get by with Bell and Clemons
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
OUR safeties have NO impact on games.
The way the league has trended, S is a huge impact position. If we had a 6-9 INT guy in centerfield I believe we’d have 3 more wins this season. If you don’t think having an Earl Thomas, Eric Berry, Sean Taylor type impacts games, you haven’t watched the dolphins getting abused by TE’s and slot receivers the last 4 years.
I would counter you argument by saying we could “get by” with Carey, Wallace, and Misi. We’ve been “getting by” for the last decade. If we had another GREAT corner, then I would concede that Bell and Clemons would be fine back there.
No we cannot get by with Misi at OLB or Columbo at RT
they are both below average starters for their positions. You dont need safeties to be stars. They just need to be solid in the run game a reliable in coverage.
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 3, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree about Columbo
But I said Carey :)
Hell, I enjoy going volleying arguments with you. Anyways, I agree to a point about needing star safeties, but I think anyone we currently trot out there at FS is below average. Maybe you’re right, if we had an intimidating pass rush, maybe Clemons would become a star. But maybe if we had a great secondary our pass rush would look a lot better. So who knows?
A couple things we can agree on though: I’d rather have a playmaker who will rack up 4+ INTs per year vs. not having one AND all of the elite teams in the NFL have a playmaking safety.
i like this one alot better
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I would be mad if this happened
No way we can sign every free agent and a NT in the first! RG3 all the way
Draft Luck and trade up and get Ray Ray Armstrong!
For my 15 years of a Fin Fan this year sucks the most.
Your sig needs work – unfortunately the Luck ship has sailed!
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. And he says "RG3 all the way". :)
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha!!!
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that or this or......I love confusion.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
first thing, allowing solia to walk, and cutting bell frees up 20 mil in caps space from this year alone
Next year Yerimiah is slated to make 8 mil including roster bonuses. Will Allen, Vernon Carey, and our RT wet noodle together since restructuring make 8 mil as well. So that is 30 million in cap space freed. Add to our cap space already, and releasing Langfords cap space, as well as the others listed and we should have roughly 48 million in cap space.
I think that would be well enough to sign the free agents listed.
As for the draft, well, with Soliai gone, Bell gone, Carey gone, and wet noodle, these positions are well filled in both the draft and free agency.
As for the QB situation, the key is Daboll. He has a reputation of doing solid things with average QBs. With Moore in his second year in the system, and playing in a contract year, i think he will do better next year, if anything to showcase himself for free agency. As for the other QBs selected, I think if he can do something with Henne, Moore, and Colt Mccoy, he can do something with all three of the QBs I have chosen in my draft and free agency.
Most importantly, we get young upgrades at about every position, heck the FS is a zone FS from LSU that already has 7 ints on the season.
Between him and the SS i have chosen, it upgrades our secondary immensely, and the olb is exactly what we are looking for. All in all, its about selecting what fits, not names.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Soliai is going to be a FA
I think we will get him under contract. He will not make 12M a year, but he will get 7-8M a year. That is about average for a good NT, which Soliai is.
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Which makes more sense than allowing Soliai to walk and drafting a FA
Soliai is still young enough and is very good so there is no reason to try and make a long-term deal. We could draft a young NT to replace him, but he probably won’t be as good and even if he is, we’ll be in the same position as we are with Soliai. You can’t be afraid to spend money, just smart in how you spend it. Paying Soliai in the $7-8 million range, worth a top tier 3-4 NT, which Soliai has played like for 2 years, is a worthy offer. Unless we want to sign someone for $3-4 million, watch them play mediocre, and have our run defense suffer. I’d rather just pay the player we have.
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I dont think its that cut and dry with Soliai
The reason we have him on a franchise tag now, is that that figure were throwing around wasnt enough for our average NT’s agent.
If you remember, our contract talks with him were about that range when we offered him a contract last season. As a matter of fact, we offered him a.contract making Vince Wilfork type money for Aubreyo Franklin type play.
At least with a rookie, you get a long term solution for a fraction of the cost. I just see us having to franchise him again if we try to retain him, a move our already limited cap wont allow us to do if we want to upgrade through free agency at other positions.
In fact, that is the ONLY reason we are talking about releasing Bell as well, and he at least has been a producing fixture on this team for multiple years that has seemed to age like wine instead of an often used safety in the NFL.
If one or two QBs from this years draft dont declare, which is highly likely, we may have to look at another position entirely than QB, which was the whole purpose of this post to begin with, or risk it by reaching for a second tier QB in the first round, or be willing to hinder ourselves by trading up in the draft to aqquire one. Which we assume another team will want to do if in fact we attempt to do so.
That plus the fact that with the lowered price of rookie contracts, and other teams looking for QBs as well, may make trading up an entirely too expensive option in the foreseable future. Just look at what atlanta had to pay in order to move up last draft and see that this is not a wise move.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 2, 2011 9:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love YB,
but I’d be shocked is no way he’s on this roster next year for $8M. I could see him re-doing his deal, and wanting to finish his career here, but who knows? I’d keep Carey simply because he is a Miami guy and a more importantly TEAM guy through and through. He took a pay cut last year and took a position change with no crying. That speaks volumes to me….you want guys like that in your locker room. Everyone else could walk if I were the GM. I’d like to resign Soliai, but if he thinks he’s worth more than he was offered last year…..PEACE! Actually, the more I think about him…..I suspect he’s gonna be that guy that gets his big deal and either winds up “hurt” or disappears altogether. I would not give that guy one penny over $7M next season. Just how I’d go about it.
After re-reading your draft and free agency…it’s growing on me ,EXCEPT, I think the franchise HAS to take the 1st rd. QB to appease the fan base and save face. The rest of the draft looks great IMO. I am curious: with whom and how far back did we trade where we only picked up an additional 3rd rounder? It seems like usually you get at least a 2nd when you trade back in the first.
Actually, in the trade we did pick up a second rounder, it was just for next year.
And I think some people miss the point I made about the what if Jones and Griffin decide to stay another year.
Neither have actually declared, and both have actually voiced that they may.
This could actually be considered plan b. Or fallback if there is no QB available. If ones not available, I dont want to simply reach and draft one simply to apease fans.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Dec 2, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've been dwelling on that quite a bit the last two days.
I can’t see Griffin staying. Already graduated, not playing for a NC or BCS bowl game. Unless he really wants a shot at a Heismann. I think it could be a disaster if Barkley and Jones both go back to school, I’d be on the horn big time on draft day trying to get into #2 or 3.
Kendall Wright his best WR is leaving. He needs to leave this year while his value is high
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
NEXT!!!
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My doc told me to act like a robot for the next week. Great prognosis! Me and Johnny-5 will be one...
Good go at it, looks like you got a lot of love lol!
It seems to me that everyone thinks just picking a QB in the first solves all problems……
Drew Brees hasn’t been locked up yet…………………………………….
Got a Kool-Aid hangover after 3 wins......better just keep drinking!! The Suck-ers around here still ain't buying.........
You mean the same Drew Brees that we didn’t sign the last time he was a free agent? I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about that to this very day. Apparently the FO thought Culpepper > Brees.
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by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know, it hurts
I’m the simpleton that thought a busted knee was better than a busted throwing arm. Got to give it up to the Brees/Payton pairing………….
Got a Kool-Aid hangover after 3 wins......better just keep drinking!! The Suck-ers around here still ain't buying.........
No he was traded he was not a FA but we could have had him on the cheap.
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If you thought our coach was field goal oriented just wait until we have a special teams minded coach.
I’m not feeling it. Its a very different approach. Probably too aggressive in free agency. I love the Anthony Spencer pickup though.
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by Choose your screen name: on Dec 1, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions
In a word, NO.
No disrespect intended dolphinfan4lyfe but this offseason is the worst I have read for Miami so far. Your notion of hiring a ST coach because (A) Devin Hester’s career success and (B) we wouldn’t have to debate offensive of defensive minded HC because we would have niether seems like an exercise in trying not to piss ANYone off that will only end up pissing EVERYone off. As for free agency and your draft picks, you have actually managed to downgrade our QB corps. I don’t know whether you deserve a public hazing or a medal for pulling that off. I could write more but many here have already covered the details. Meachem is an intriguing choice though. Nice thought there but I don’t see us trying to acquire him while Hartline is much cheaper.
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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
Despite the fact that I'd have to admit myself into a psych ward if even half of this happened
I totally respect and appreciate the time you put into your thought here. I’m interested in all scenarios. Good job
I'd be more than pissed
what we need that is not a new head coach, but I think nothing short of an exercism would do
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