Moving the Trade Deadline
by The Earl on Nov 30, 2011 9:14 PM EST
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PrintIn a league where Aaron Rodgers is writing textbooks on how to play quarterback and Drew Brees and Tom Brady are mounting an assault on the record books, one would think their names would be dominating the headlines. However, it was another name in the NFL news last week… Kyle Orton. Denver jettisoned their former starter after he led the team to a dismal start. The Broncos’ faithful began clamoring for Tebow to start. Denver’s coaching staff obliged them and Tebow rewarded their efforts with 5 wins in 6 games. Denver is now at in the playoff hunt with Tebow at the helm and Orton suddenly became superfluous, so Denver released Orton last Tuesday.
This would be great news for Chicago or Houston; two playoff contenders who lost their starting quarterbacks to injury. A veteran quarterback just became available and could help them in their playoff quest. Except Orton really wasn’t available, per se. He was placed on waivers, where he would go to the lowest bidder. That bidder became the Chiefs. Since the Chiefs have a worse record than the Texans or Bears, the Chiefs had a higher priority waiver claim. The Bears and Texas have to resort to unproven backups now and Kyle Orton plays for a team that is out of the playoff race.
What does that have to do with the trade deadline you ask? Well there are two parts to that equation. Since the trade deadline had passed, Denver was left with two choices: keep Kyle Orton and continue to pay him a hefty salary to hold a clipboard, or release him and get nothing for him. The Bears were rumored to have placed a claim on Orton, but had low priority due to their record. The Bears were at the mercy of the waiver system and had no chance to pursue Orton via trade.
The NFL trade deadline is during week 6, which is only about a third of the way through the season. Most other sports leagues have a trade deadline later into their season. After this past week, the NFL has discussed possibly moving the trade deadline. A later trade deadline would have benefited both the Broncos and the Bears or Texans. But is moving the trade deadline really a good thing? There are some benefits to this move, but there may be some issues with this move. Let’s look at the pros and cons of moving back the trade deadline.
PROS
The most obvious benefit to the move is that teams will have a longer time to assess the quality of their team. It can be a difficult task to judge one’s team after only 6 weeks, especially if you have had your bye week. Teams will have a better feel for how close they are or how far away they are from contention.
Another benefit to moving the trade deadline would be in an injury situation. As with the example I mentioned earlier, teams would have the ability to trade for players at key positions instead of signing street free agents.
CONS
The biggest detriment to moving the deadline would be the possible increase of disparity. Parity is part of what makes the NFL so popular. Any given season, one's favorite team could have a chance to win it all. It's possible that if the trade deadline is moved, bad teams will start trading players away and giving up on the season. On the same note, good teams can trade for players and become even stronger and tougher to beat. In essence, the gap between the haves and have-nots would become greater, and parity could become a thing of the past.
Another issue associated with the previous issue is lack of competitive games toward the end of the season. If teams being to trade away players in a fire sale, the competition level of games will go down. Fans of bad teams would likely stop buying tickets, resulting in blackout and reduced revenue for teams and maybe the league. While ticket sales are an issue for some teams now, fire sales as a result of later trade deadline may magnify this problem.
MY TAKE
I think moving the trade deadline is good idea. I believe the positives outweigh the negatives and teams would have more flexibility involving trades. The salary cap and floor will restrict the movement of bigger name players, preventing good teams from loading up and poorer teams from dumping salary. I think it works for both sides. Bad teams or rebuilding teams could get extra draft picks to work with in the future. Good teams may be able to get pieces that might put them over the top for a championship. And of course there is the added benefit of being able to make even more lopsided trades in Madden.
YOUR TAKE
So what do you think? Is the moving the trade deadline back a good or bad idea?
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Good job on the post bro.
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Seconded
Well written and researched, as well as good fodder for discussion.
I say leave it alone; football is, as you said, the one sport with an early deadline that does not allow a team to load up for a playoff run. As much as I love the Wings, it isn’t really fair when they get someone like Brad Stuart from the once-lowly Kings (I know that was a while ago but it is a perfect example) for a song and a dance. The Pats would exploit this annually, and I would rather be attacked by a bunch of porcupines than to see them (or the #$%&*! Jets) win a title. Obviously, there’s no guarantees in the playoffs, but still.
by LoveWingsHatePenguins on Nov 30, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you sir
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yeah, good post...
I say week 10 or 11 at the latest.
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Oh also the Texans did not put in a claim on Orton. It was actually the other team from Texas that did.
Well them the Bears and of course KC.
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Very true.
The Cowboys admitted they put in the claim, simply to make sure the Bears didn’t get him.
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Actually they need him as their primary back up is out and may not play again. If Romo now goes down they are done!
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
But they even said it (reportedly – although ESPN can’t be trusted to actually report things correctly, or on time), that they were more concerned with getting him so he wasn’t in Chicago than to be their backup.
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Yeah I would not go off of ESPN's guesses.
My take comes from the Cowboys insider that has an office at Valley Ranch that I hear on the radio every day. I would guess that keeping him away from the Bears was added motivation but they genuinely wanted him either way.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
That story (the one I linked)
Make me sick. How can ESPN destroy Joe Paterno for not doing enough to stop sexual abuse of a child, then turn around and do the exact same thing for 8 years?
ESPN needs to be fried, and apparently won’t.
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Dude dont even get me started or I will go off on a several hour rant about ESPN and Craig James and well you know....
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
1st i've herd WTF?
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Its a long story but I can't stand that giant bag of douche.
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Same goes for Jemele Hill.
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Well they have managed to run off much of their top talent and then in turn replaced it with
a parade of douches.
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Sadly one of the few I liked left...
I thought Tim Graham was pretty good and he actually wrote for the AFC East, but he left. I’m not sure on James Walker yet, but he’s the one that replaced him.
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Also as to the negative of a team stockpiling talent that is for the most part controlled by the salary cap.
If you take on new salary you have to either have the room or somehow expel some salary. Now with the way the NFL works everyone on your roster late in the season has their salary guaranteed. This would allow a team to trade for a piece or two to strengthen their team or replace an injured player but it would not allow them to “stock pile” talent during the season. This of course could be done if someone wanted to do so in the off season and has in fact been attempted by Dan Snider and more recently the Eagles. So far that is nothing but a recipe for epic failure.
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Some guys are willing to take a decrease in pay to win a title, though.
by LoveWingsHatePenguins on Nov 30, 2011 9:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But their contracts are guaranteed at that point either way.
NO way the union would allow them to take a cut at that point.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Touche
I wasn’t aware of that.
I must admit that I am not a fan of the worst team gets first dibs, so I guess maybe I am in favor. My head is hurting from the indecision.
by LoveWingsHatePenguins on Nov 30, 2011 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it is a good thing. How nice would it be right now to maybe shed some players that we know are not going
to be back but might help a team that still has a shot fill a hole while giving us additional picks? Lets say were were in it and had a good record, how great would it be for us to be able to possibly go out and fill a hole? You cant stock pile a bunch of guys because of the cap but you might be able to shore up a position of dire need.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
But they won't be able to. The salary is already guaranteed.
They are getting that money. They can restructure future years, but not the current year.
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unrelated (kinda)
why is that if the jaguars move to LA and double the value of the team that all of the other NFL owners get a piece of the profit? I heard something about that on colin coward this morning.
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They won't be able to move, but they may have been talking about the revenue sharing.
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they will buy out of their lease if that is what you are implying
and they will be in LA by 2013, i think that has been a foregone conclusion for a while according to the radio people here is LA.
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The new owner wants to stay in Jacksonville...
And the buyout is expected to exceed $100 million if they tried to do it. That’s unlikely to happen. The only way they can get out of that is if they prove they lost money for 3 consecutive years and neither the NFL or the Jags will want to open their books to prove that is the case.
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you sure him saying he wants to stay isnt lip service?
its worth way more than 100 million to move the team to LA.
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by Phinphinatic on Dec 1, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I can actually see LA pony up that amount to get another team.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
we love bringing teams in and then forgeting they exist
i wish the dolphins would move to LA. Attendance couldnt possibly be worse than in miami. I cant imagine not having season tickets if i lived anywhere near miami. OFF4L is a lucky man to have a wife who supports his love for the fins and is on board with using the resources it takes to travel to so many games and afford such awesome seats. I have to negotiate with my wife time to watch every game on my computer or at a bar with a bunch of “douchy whoever is winning this year fans”.
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Yes to the Jags going there. No to the Phins.
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I don't think it's lip service personally
Jacksonville may eventually just buy ouy of their stadium deal since the price will go down each year for them to opt out, but I don’t see them being on the move within the next 5 years. 2013 specifically is way too early because the stadium won’t even be finished, if it is even started. There is still a long ways to go before a move would be made because LA needs to settle on a stadium, Jacksonville would have to pay a huge price, and the city itself will probably file lawsuits against the Jaguars to prevent them from leaving.
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there has been a lot of talk about utilizing dodger stadium for a franchise to come to
either while they wait, or permanently… i think that hinges on who buys the dodgers though. Outside of buildingthe new stadium near the staples center, the other talk is using the collusium. So they may already have the stadium in place. either way, LA is getting a team or two by 2013. could be the chargers, rams,or jaguars.
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by Phinphinatic on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Dodger stadium or the Coliseum?
Are you effing kidding? Who the hell are you listening to?
I take it not you?
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Not a chance
Dodge Stadium is way too small for the NFL and the NFL doesn’t want a team going back to the Coliseum because they know that isn’t a long-term solution. There is not a chance either of those venues will be hosting a NFL game anytime in the future and there is no chance a new stadium will be built and completed by 2013. If a NFL team was to move to LA, the earliest they’d be able to move in if they agreed to move today would be 2014 or 2015. I think 2017 or 2018 is probably the earliest we’d see a NFL club in LA.
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i am just telling you what i hear every day on LA radio guys...
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that is almost all they have been talking about over the past 3 months.
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I've been hearing it from LA radio guys since I lived there in 2006...
They’ve been constantly talking about using Dodger Stadium and the Coliseum for years, even when LA was trying to lure the expansion team that eventually went to Houston. I’m not going to buy into that now after they’ve been speculatulating about that for about 15 years. The NFL won’t be back in LA without a brand new, top notch stadium. Ut’s more likely the NFL would try to convince LA to tear down Dodger Stadium and build a multi-purpose facility in its place because the stadium is in a good location.
In fact, the NFL backed off LA in 1996 as a potential expansion site because Peter O’Malley (former Dodgers owner) said he planned to have the team play in the Coliseum. If the NFL was scared away from the horrible stadium 15 years ago, why on eartth would they consider it now? They won’t.
Dodger Stadium would seem nice and dandy because it’s already built and in a good location, but the NFL wouldn’t want to rush back into a multi-purpose facility and won’t be overly thrilled about having the smallest NFL stadium in one of the largest markets. A 56,000 capacity stadium in LA is ridiculous and it would be the only NFL stadium that couldn’t fit at least 60,000 people. Even Soldier Field, which is 80 years old, can fit over 5,000 extra people than LA. Don’t think for a moment the NFL won’t have several concerns about that.
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i believe it is partially a temporary solution until the stadium is built.
it is pretty much a foregone conclusion that a stadium will be built either next to staples or in commerce. You maybe right that teams may wait until it is built, but many speculate that it is going to happen.
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I don't believe the NFL will move until a stadium is announced and the project is under way...
In which case, the team would likely play their final game before they move into the new stadium. Many in the NFL are already skeptical of AEG’s proposal for a new stadium and until California approves of the new facility along with a way to finance, I don’t think a NFL team will want to make a committment. The LA Coliseum won’t be an attractive idea because nobody wants to be stuck there if a new stadium falls through. Al Davis had nightmares with the Commission before and didn’t receive luxury boxes as promised.
But then again, if teams wait until the stadium is approved by the state government and is under construction and the team plays out their final year in their current stadium, that would still leave me thinking 2017 would be the earliest a new team will move in.
I know the deal won’t move fast because even if they decide on a site, they still have to go through the state and county to approve of the land for the facility and if the state is going to pay for any of the construction, it’ll take nearly a year, if not longer, just to decide that. Constructions would start several months later. Plus a team like Jacksonville would be fighting litigation with an attempt as well. State governments and the legal system move slow. Thus, a move in 2013 or 2014 would be a near miracle.
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I can not see the NFL being stupid enough to agree to allow a franchise to move to a
baseball first stadium unless it is anything but a stop gap. Their product is too valuable and they know that they can demand a nice new shiny stadium or at least a revamped one ala the Collusium.
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I don't want to push it back
Mostly because I don’t want it to be like MLB where players are sold off if teams fall out of contention.
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Not the same. Their is for one no hard cap in MLB. No team could say loose Brady and then go sign a Brees.
That’s what happens in MLB all the time. Also NFL teams know that they need their picks to build a team. A trade is a band aid for the most part. Also if you have a Brees and you have a down year then unless he is at the end of his career you do not trade him while in MLB teams will trade their top player in a heartbeat. Man I could actually go on and on and on with the multiple differences but it would never turn in to what MLB has turned it in to.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
You won’t see large players moving. You may see a lot of middle tier players though, especially if they’re in the final year of their contracts. I do agree it would never be as bad as MLB, but I do think you’ll see teams use similar styles of trying to send some players, mostly middle and lower tier players, for picks.
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True but pics are valuable as hell in the NFL. If a team starts trying to pull a Dan Snider too much then it will blow up
in their faces.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Unless the team pays a tax?
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No need in the NFL. There is a hard cap.
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What's the penalty for busting a cap?
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LOL!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
You can't. The league will not allow you to do so. The trade would basically not be allowed.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
And if you end up making moves that put you over the cap and the NFL catches it...
Goodbye to draft picks. Remember the Broncos were fined nearly $1 million and had to forfeit their 3rd round draft pick for circumventing the salary cap between 1996 and 1998. Of course, the Broncos already won the Super Bowl so it was kind of worth the price for them…
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Yes but thats one reason the NFL looks at every deal and knows where every teams cap money is
now allocated. They are not going to even let it get to that point again.
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No doubt
I only used them to show an example of the penalties incurred if a team was able to get away with it. Eventually, the NFL will notice it even if it slips by them the first time.
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I am sure that since every deal has to pass through both the union and the league office before
being official that they calculate it as it applies to the cap for that particular team.
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Ah.. good deal.. I know more now. Thanks for the answer thread guys. Special thanks to you TCP.
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Many things can be changed in the nfl
I believe the regular season should be extended to 18 weeks with 2 byes. its unfair the saints get rest in week 11 vs the ravens in week 5. if you get 1 bye in the first 8 weeks and another bye in the second 8 weeks, quality of play could improve and even more parity could take place. if this took place, the trade deadline should be moved to the tuesday after week 9. that way every team will have played half there games, and have a better gauge of their roster. also, although the # of games stays the same, an extra week in the nfl means more tv money, something everyone wants..
that obviously will not happen but it would be cool
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I don't think you will ever see the union cave to 18 weeks.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
even if they still play 16 games..
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by NickCallaway on Nov 30, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I could see the league adding a bye week. Its not a terrible idea and it extends the season a week which
like you said adds more money in their pockets.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
it makes sense
but it wont happen unfortunatly
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by NickCallaway on Nov 30, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why not. It's not something that the union should have an issue with.
I think it would help a lot of players to have that extra week off late in the year.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Players get more rest, NFL gets more revenue due to an additional week of brodcasts... the players get more money.
Everyone wins except Fantasy Football owners who are pissed their star player has a bye week during their playoffs. Oh well.
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Broadcasts rather...
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Yeah but they shall survive too.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 30, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
18 weeks is going to happen whether we like it or not...
I personally hate the idea probably as much as people hated switching from 14 to 16 back in the day, but the house always wins.
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I doubt it honestly. The union will not cave on that one.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
i hope you are right
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Cowboys!
Isn't this what teacher owner meating's are for at the end of season!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
That... and picking up chicks....
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Well now; Just lift your dress & curtsey!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet! Captain beem me abord the luckmobil!
by wild zion beaver on Dec 3, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Holy! The Duke is FP'd.... well, deservedly so. Rec'd.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
He had to pay a heft price though!
Excuse me now as I look to find my pants…
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Oh Shit! LMAO
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even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
That's just wrong
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
so your wife let you out of the house?
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin"
Reggie Bush for 2012 pro bowl
New Orleans OC Carmichael for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Dec 1, 2011 7:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No...
I escaped.
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Run Forest, run!
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I wanna go fast!
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You can do it!
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Also Alpha just called and said he has a place for you if you need someplace to stay!
How very generous.
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LOL hard....
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even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Hard?
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Violently? Histeracly? Enthusiasticly?
No boner.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
what?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
It's TCP's thinking.. you know?
Always hanging around Tom, Dick and Harry, but he always has Dick on his mind….
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Tex is 2pi rad?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
LOL!
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Alpha don't make me vote you off the island.
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Note to writer, how easily he slides from a simple laugh to hard to V,H,E, to an uplifting no boner reaction hmmmmm!
His subcontious, is not playing hookie!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 4, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell Beav? lol
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"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Yeah he threw me off with that one too but I am sure there is meaning there somewhere.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 4, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'll pass!
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Ha!
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
He says that.. but I've caught him on video tip-toe-ing around the basement towards the monkey's box....
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Lmfao-Rotfflol!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 4, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Thats just wrong to do to the Duke. Nicky, sure but not the Duke.
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LOL
Especially since I don’t actually have the ability to FP another post. I can only do that to my own…
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Right.............
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So it was a freebie?
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Freebie? Nothing is reall free sir.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
*really
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I could see moving the trade deadline to maybe week 8,
but I don’t like the thought of the rich getting richer. Thankfully, there is still a cap that comes into play for that type of thing, but what does a losing team have at the end of the season? Nothing to play for, that’s for sure. Why not just trade away their starters for draft picks over the next few years? It seems like a slippery slope that could end up with several teams like Indy of 2011 in any given year.
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Plus,
injuries are a part of the game. You can’t tell me that every Strength and Conditioning coach and conditioning program is equal. There are teams that seem more injury prone than others from year to year, so that would make conditioning a lower priority than it already is now. Hell, changing the trade deadline could lead to MORE players being put on I/R due to the safety net of trading with a team that has no playoff shot.
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Nah. See my answer below. There is still a cap and guarenteed salaries. If you go out and put a bunch of players on
IR for the sake of protecting them then you are not going to have the cap space to trade for much if any players. You would find yourself signing a bunch of spares off the street for the league min.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
no one still wants their stars to go down...
so strength and condition will always remain a priority. It would be to great a gamble to bank on a Orton or Mcnabb becmoing availabel late in the season.
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I don't think it really has that affect. It can already happen in the offseason but you have less ability to move on players
during the season because of the cap and the way the contracts are now guaranteed. The math just does not work that a team can go out and stock pile talent in the middle of the season. Also remember that outside of this and next year that the cap will have a very high min. that has to be spent. That coupled with the guaranteed contracts would prohibit most teams from doing too much more then maybe replacing a mid rage player that is on IR.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
the 99% minimum is probably the biggest argument for moving the trade deadline, but you have to remember that the new rookie cap makes it easier to move younger players. I can definitely foresee bad GMs/Owners jettisoning all their promising young players to get more draft picks. Plus, an easy way to get around the cap restrictions is to trade your good young player for a crappy one and a draft pick.
Sure, that team may end up being something a few years down the road, but there is the distinct potential for teams giving up on even trying to win that late in the season, which would make for some sorry football down the stretch. I don’t want the playoffs decided by week 12 because there aren’t any teams looking to play spoiler.
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Nah in the NFL teams are not going to get rid of young promising players. Draft picks are still a crap shoot.
If you have a promising piece then you hold your course with that player either way. Also if they are high picks they will still not be able to just freely trade them away in mass as they still make enough for the new rules to prohibit such things. I think instead you might have seen a team like Denver being able to shop Orton and Orton having possibly some say in where he goes. That way Denver at least gets something in return.
I look at it this way, our Phins are bad and it would be nice to trade away some players that we do not plan on keeping past this year now for some picks. Sure we can do so during the off season but their value is never higher then in the mist of a season where teams think they still have a chance. If we were actually decent and still in it, it would be nice to have the ability in reverse to trade for a player to plug a hole. We of course will not most likely be able to go sign a star caliber player for the reasons that I citing earlier but maybe plug a hole of need. I personally think that the positives for teams and players far outweighs the negatives. Plus it adds a little more intrigue at the end of the year for fans, especially those of us who know our teams are long since out of it.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think you make great points TCP,
but I just see more bad than good from changing the deadline. It kind of makes the whole purpose of quality depth moot if you can just trade for an above average player later in the season.
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For instance,
Green Bay was (and still is) the best team in the league last year because they could still win with 11 injured players. Depth played a key role in their eventual Super Bowl victory. How could it be considered fair if another team (that didn’t have the GM know how to build such a solid team front to back) could just replace their starters as they go down by trading with teams that had given up?
Baseball is stupid. Basketball is stupid. What’s next, a 50 game season?
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could just replace their starters
See your missing the key point. With the salary cap as high as it is you can not go replace “starters”. For one you will not be able to go out and trade for guys wholesale. You might be able to trade for one mid range guy or two lower level guys. Guys that are at the level of a “starter” make way too much money and you can not just force that in under your cap. You could trade that team one of your starters but then you have created another hole. If a team has 11 starters go down and they do not have depth then they are screwed either way. One or two mid to lower level players is not going to make up for that huge a blow. Then you have to take in to account that players in general need time to come in and gell and learn a new system. None of it would be an instant fix but more of a quick band aid most of the time.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Like you said, you would be trading lower level players
or… THE INJURED PLAYER who nobody knows is going to be at 100% again. Some teams will get lucky, some won’t.
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So be it. I would only oppose it if you could do like the Yankees and go buy a top team year in and
year out. At the end of the day what makes the NFL great and keeps it honest is the salary cap. You can not afford to have starter level players even two deep in the NFL because of the cap. If the NFL was like MLB a team like the Cowboys or Redskins would have them 3 deep because they could and teams like KC would have maybe half their starter be as good as the Cowboys third stingers. Either way you can only afford so much quality depth. Especially proven quality depth.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with you man.
I love the cap, but I don’t love the idea of moving the trade deadline.
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But how can you disagree with me when I am correct?
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Lol; that' a stick!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
he's got a point
and its pointed at alpha
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
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Win for pride, Win for us fans!
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LOL.. wait, wut?
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"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
lol
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Cowboys!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hey now!
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Its more help I believe to the lower teams then the higher level ones.
Its sort of like free agency and all the bad things people said would happen like stockpiling talent to buy a championship. It has happened but for the most part not been an issue. You can buy a championship in MLB and maybe even the NBA but it has been proven that it just does not work in the NFL.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it would help the low teams so much.
Green Bay would become a dynasty being able to continually draft players at, say, Round 3 and turn them into something after a year or two and then trade for a 2nd or 2 3rds because they have no fear of not having depth. And with those extra picks, if they lose a key player, they can just go get another one from another team. If they don’t lose a key player, they end up with more and more picks each year. The draft will be owned by the teams that currently have depth from here on out, and the lower tier teams will only get their draft picks when they give up on the season and trade away the only good players they have.
Sure, some GMs will adjust better than others, but I feel like this is just too big of a change to the NFL landscape that what will happen cannot be accurately forecasted. There is potential for some serious negative effects and potential for some good. The Negatives outweight The Positives IMO!
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So? You can do that during the off season now and it has not been a big issue.
Whats funny about this argument is these are all the things people claimed would happen when the NFL went to FA in the first place. NONE of it has happened.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
The offseason is not even relevant.
No team has given up on their season during the offseason.
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We are in the same position now as we will be on the first day of the offseason.
The difference is that the players that we would like to move have more value now then they will then.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yes,
and I don’t think we should be moving players at this late in the season because we would be doing so without clear heads. Especially given that Spireland is on the hot seat. Ireland might make some bad trades out of spite.
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I get that we are not the normal situation and I think that most moves would still have to
be passed by Ross and he would temper anything asinine.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Assinine, Cockamamie, Boner... all words that should be brought back....
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
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"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
lol
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Cowboys!
because joel said so
that why, so there!
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Cowboys!
How? He went about last summers little thing all wrong but he will learn.
I know everyone here likes to call him a moron. Well I am sure none of us are worth billions and I am also pretty sure that you to not get to that level by being a dumb ass or by not learning from your mistakes unless your Dan Snider of course.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Why wood he let himself be dooped into buying a team (1-15) for 85 trillion peacies of gold!
Flaky man!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Because by the simple fact that he owns an NFL team those many pieces
of gold will soon be worth many, many more pieces of gold. Especially after the NFL rapes the networks on their next round of contracts.
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Hummm now that i see the lite (torch ty) i totlaly agree its like buying a house in the lean years then waiting for the better times to arive err can you say resell!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 4, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yes except for with NFL owners there are no lean years. Only years where
your piles of cash are a little more then the previous.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 4, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Cee & squarly in the midths, is the one or two "play-off game" that your heart gets shreeded
Shame on me; as i almost think the owner cares for me the fan, when it really comes down to his pockets getting lined with gold!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
He only cares about you money so yes in that way he does care for you.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he went about it all wrong,
but his heart and thought process were definately in the right place. I won’t kill the guy for that. And if it was him that, in fact, killed the Orton deal, he’s smarter than most fans give him credit for.
I agree.
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Not to mention,
it kind of takes away from a perfect season if a team goes up against some of those looking-to-next-year teams in their final games. If a team can rest their starters and still come out the victor in their final 2 games, that is straight up BS.
It would also affect the stats of players. Wide Receiver A is having a great season on a losing team, but someone else’s QB goes down as a result of bad conditioning and all of a sudden “A” gets marginal stats for the rest of the season because his adequate QB got traded and replaced by some FA journeyman.
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But thats under some sort of assumtion that you could go gather a few or even many players. You would not be
able to under the new rules. You might be able to add a player or two to plug a hole but that does not in any way equal you being able to rest your starters wholesale.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
What under the new rules would prevent you from trading your players for picks
and under-achieving players?
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The salary cap of the other teams. Either way it will not be the total disaster that some think it will be.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
You can trade equal value players.
If a team is trading a young starter, they can get a pick and a young backup that didn’t pan out to their draft position. It is not hard to match up salaries given the new Cap.
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Ok so they take a gamble? How many GM's are going to trade a proven player for one that looks
like he might be a bust? Thats just asinine. I am sure its the sort of thing that will eventually happen but not something that will be a huge issue or wide spread.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Unless the contajus part is removed err (Ronnie Brown & Ricky Williams) at same time!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Again we see haveing the #1 pick a (tackle) #2 #3 pick's Running back at the same time dont get you a super bowl!
But a great QB, all alone then build around him dosn’t do it eather (Dan Marino) & there was a superbowl team around him too!
Or do you pick up stakes & move, like Indy. Who has to get lucky with the pick of a QB, then go from there!
Green bay did it taking (Brett favre) Atlanta’s castoff! But then again he was treated with kid gloves coach asinged 2 bodyguards err assistent coaches to watch-over him.
Not giveing him the luxury of say a second rd. pick to get in trouble with the outside!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I can also foresee a team stockpiling good IR players through trade
in the hopes that they are all healthy again the next season. That would be interesting.
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But thats like gambling. If teams want to take that risk then let them.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly,
that would be my strategy as a GM if I had a losing team and I could trade late in the season. Get draft picks and retreads for a proven or promising player so you are more likely to hit on at least one, and possibly both.
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But teams are not going to just trade away the pieces they already have for maybes.
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I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. Teams do it all the time already.
How often is a good player traded for draft picks? Every season.
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But those are not good young pieces that they think they need to build their team around in general.
Also some times its something else that sends that player out of town like salary, salary demands or a falling out with the team, owner, coach, ect…..
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I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Its aganst football rules to trade whilest a player is in limbo or IR!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
True that as well. But I think he is talking about stashing a good player that is maybe a
bit dinged on IR so they can trade for another. But the problem with that is still the cap. Those on IR count against it still.
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I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
As you say, my mind is hamsumly small as well as my coconut & the parebells that lay with-in are smaller yet!
Well you get the meaning, err drift!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 4, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Your not fooling me sir.
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by texascowpunk on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Nice i go from small rodent, err air breathing marsupeal to sir in the same breth ty!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 6, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
How are retreads and draft picks more likely to be good than proven or promising players?
In what universe does that make any kind of sense?
I think outside the box.
Great injured players plus high level draft picks = great chance to still have a good player PLUS a slight chance of having two great players. The best organizations don’t follow the majority of what others do. NE has revolutionized the draft by thinking outside of the box.
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... and video tapping... lol
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
How are retreads and draft picks more likely to be good than proven or promising players? In what universe does that make any kind of sense?
We passed on Drew Brees becuase of the fear of his injured shoulder. He was considered a liability and likely a retrread by many at the time.
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
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i have gotten really bad a using the quotes.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Cowboys!
Use a pencil next time....
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
they have those still?
i am a commitment kind of writer… no erasing here!
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
Go Dolphins and beat those Cowboys!
by Phinphinatic on Dec 1, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I resemble this ^^^^^^^^^^^^!
Rec!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Did you hear about the constipated mathmetician?
He worked it out with a pencil….
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Did you hear about the hairy ball theorem?
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Um... no.
Do tell….
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
This will only take a minute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4UGZEjG02s
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
lol... that was amazing.
Enhalen the monkey is gonna love those hairy bananas!
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Yes, it is a good channel. And the clips are only a minute long.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Can i use the fork thiry, to comb the part thats hairest on the balls!
sum how this is not cumming out rite!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 4, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
lmao
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Oh my..........
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by texascowpunk on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
IMO
Bad for the players and bad for football.
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Isn't this supposed to be the offensive line's job?
Chicago and Houston are in similar situations for different reasons. But both are in those situations because of mistakes made by their respective general managers. Is ANYONE (and I mean ANYONE) surprised that Jay Cutler and Matt Schaub are injured?
Chicago has allowed Cutler to take the biggest beating of any NFL quarterback this year. Matt Schaub has a history of being injury prone. NEITHER team had an established, proven backup quarterback.
So why, then, are we discussing moving the trade deadline back to benefit teams that find themselves without a quarterback at the three-quarter-mark of the season? That’s why we put so much stock in durability, and injury history. In the ability to move in the pocket and avoid pressure. In having a stable offensive line.
Isn’t that the reason that the left tackle is arguably one of the most important positions on the team? Isn’t that why guys like Jake Long and Joe Thomas are drafted so high? Isn’t that the premise of the hit Warner Brothers movie “The Blind Side”?
Personally, I’d prefer to stick with the traditional formula of protecting the quarterback, and making sure the guy under center isn’t made of glass.
THANK YOU.
Cutler has never had a line and the fact that he is injured should cost Lovey his job. Lovey has not addressed that perennially atrocious line with a first round pick. He should not be able to stick around because he puts players at a higher risk of getting injured.
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A later trade deadline means teams will have less incentive to protect their
players. I bet the players union will be against this.
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While QBs were used as examples here, this would affect other positions
Let’s say a team had an injury at CB. Asante Samuel, who doesn’t seem happy in his role with Philly, might be available in a trade. Philly is not going to cut him. But if a team like NE needed a CB later in the season, they would have an opportunity with a later deadline.
So I agree that the O-line should protect the QB. But this isn’t just about QBs.
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What if say Baltamore had drafted Ben R. in the first rd!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
You make good points
And I don’t think that moving the trade deadline back a couple of weeks would necessary mark wholesale changes for the NFL.
But, I still stand by my argument, even from the standpoint of a cornerback trade. Look at what is happening in MLB with relief pitchers. They’re getting shuffled around to the point that teams just find the best pieces they can towards the end of the season and go with it.
Last year, Green Bay won the Superbowl with more injuries than I thought possible for a team. Al Harris went down and Tramon Williams stepped up beautifully. Sam Shields did the same. It’s something that I (and many fans) love about the NFL.
The reason that Green Bay was able to do this is because they are excellent at developing talent and picking players that fit their scheme. It’s become pretty apparent that a team needs three starting cornerbacks to compete.
New England had a weak secondary before the season started. I don’t think there’s any reason to encourage teams out of contention to trade their stars (happy or unhappy) to teams that overlooked important roster spots.
by DolfanVince86 on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
The salary cap prevents you from getting the best guys at every position anyway.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Football is about building a good team
The GM builds a team with offense, defense, special teams and most of all depth. This is what makes it hard to scratch your way to the top. Every team has key injuries but a well built team works though those injuries and still wins.
When Miami won the division last New England barely missed the playoffs. I bet there was not a team in the playoffs that was not happy about Miami being there instead of New England.
With input from others such as coaches, scouts, injanuity, devine intervention!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Good idea.
But when would we move it? Week 10? Week 17? Or just have no trade deadline?
Week 9-10 would seem good to me.
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I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 1, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree with you
Move the deadline 2 about week 10
Miami's Superstars: Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall, Jake Long, Karlos Dansby, Cameron Wake, Vontae Davis and Sean Smith (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Mike Stanton, Gaby Sanchez, and Hanley Ramirez. :)
My 2cents:
If they move the deadline it should be week 8. It will take a couple of weeks to get the most new players up to speed in your system.
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Duke nice read bud, very nice read!!! and Rec'd
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Nice pop Pal, "Big REC'D" as always!
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 2, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions
Nice beaver shot from the lady....
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
Damn your wairing glasses where did you get them!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 4, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I borrowed the stalknoculars!
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
How can you borrow the item you invented?
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 4, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
& his manboobs bra!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
He invented and uses one of those too?
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hes quite transparent when it cums to makeing with the jokes, or putting someone under his heal.
Steletto that is!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Dec 9, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
There is always plenty of time before the deadline to make a trade
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Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.
But the point is that most every team still thinks they have a shot when the deadline happens now.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
I also support Occupy Joe Robbie
by texascowpunk on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
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