Miami Dolphins at Dallas Cowboys: Welcome Back to Red Zone Yuckiness
It's one thing to come slamming back down to Earth after a nice three-game win streak; it's another to completely revert back to old habits in the process ... habits that many people assumed wouldn't be an issue during the rest of the Miami Dolphins' 2011 season.
On Thursday, those old, ugly habits reared their heads in one fell swoop and spoiled what could've been a signature win for this young, eager and increasingly tenacious Miami squad. Instead, the Dolphins left Dallas with a 20-19 loss. Such is life when a young team is beginning to develop an identity on both sides of the ball, but this loss is going to sting for a while.
Forget about the offensive line false starts; the missed opportunities on defense in the fourth quarter and Mike Pouncey's nervous, cannon-like shotgun snaps in the first half. Forget about all of that. Yesterday's game was lost because of one very simple principal: the Dolphins absolutely could not convert in the red zone against the Cowboys. In their three victories this season, the Dolphins' were 11-for-14 in the red zone. Yesterday, they were 0-4. That, right there, is how you lose football games on the road. Jake Long's four penalties didn't help Miami's cause during the game, nor did Pouncey's maybe-too-quick shotgun snap that bounced off Matt Moore's hands and was recovered by DeMarcus Ware. But that kind of stuff is going to happen when young players are in a very loud, hostile road environment.
So ... This Matt Moore isn't too bad ...Moore, savvy veteran that he is, went through bouts yesterdays where he looked ruffled while going to work at the line of scrimmage. To his credit, though, he displayed good touch on several downfield passes and finished the day 19-of-32 for 263 yards.
No one is going to confuse this guy with Dan Marino, but Moore is a smart, semi-decisive signal caller with an adequate arm and decent grasp of position nuances--pump fakes, off looks, efficient footwork, etc. Moore's real value at this point, however, is the fact we can start him with some confidence next season while grooming a rookie quarterback. Honestly, we could really do so much worse at this point.
Vontae Davis and Sean Smith: doing work
The Dolphins' secondary pretty much feasted on Tony Romo for most of the first half, with Vontae Davis and Sean Smith each collecting a pretty nifty interception off of the Dallas quarterback. Smith's pick was particularly impressive, especially since he looked like he was playing without hands throughout most of last season. But the main thing to take away here is that Miami's secondary over the last month has considerably upped its ability to create turnovers. Granted, Rex Grossman, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Romo have been turnover machines at times in 2011, but the Dolphins' secondary is currently hauling in seemingly any throw they can get their hands on, and that's a full 180-degree turn from where they were throughout the first half of this season.
Give credit where credit is due
Speaking of Romo, he was absolutely locked in during the fourth quarter, and completed pass after pass (usually to Jason Witten) while Dolphins defenders were actively trying to rip his limbs off. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap; however, Cowboys receivers were getting way too much separation from defenders over the middle. And thumbs down to Dolphins defensive coordinator Mike Nolan for staying with a zone scheme long after Romo demonstrated he was able and willing to destroy that coverage all afternoon. Of course, one could make the assumption that Nolan's strategy was perhaps influenced by the Dolphins' lack of a pure cover corner.
Doing that lightning round thing ...
-Brandon Marshall's 35-yard touchdown in the third quarter embodied everything that he brings to the table as an elite receiver. After creating separation from Terrence Newman with a subtle double move (given, a feat that won't exactly land you in an exclusive club these days), Marshall flashed downfield, adjusted in the end zone to an underthrown ball and made the grab while Newman had him locked in a WWE-worthy sleeper hold. It takes plenty of speed and strength to pull off that kind of reception, and Marshall, save his one-catch performance against the Bills, is playing some great football right now.
-Word on the street is that Dallas cornerback Orlando Scandrick said Davone Bess is a better slot receiver than Wes Welker. After witnessing Bess' jaw-dropping, one-handed grab yesterday, I can see why he feels that way.
-Brian Hartline was a quality safety valve for Moore yesterday, no?
-Cameron Wake was a factor early and often against Dallas, and really should have collected more than just one sack and two QB hits. Meanwhile, despite the fact Jake Long racked up three false starts, he held DeMarcus Ware to no sacks or QB hits (he held Ware to protect the quarterback on one play, though). I will gladly take those numbers against a guy who is arguably the two most-feared pass rusher in the game right now.
-Mike Pouncey finally looked like a rookie yesterday with some of those nerve-y snaps in the first half, but he helped make amends by doing some serious road grading for Reggie Bush in the second half. Pouncey was also likened to former Steelers great Dermontti Dawson by CBS commentator Phil Simms. For those of you who are too young to know who Dawson is, that is a ridiculous compliment.
-Welcome back to the hot seat, Tony Sparano.
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Bess made a good grab, but Hartline and bess disappeared for too long during the dallas game. Moore is definately a keeper at QB. True, he’s not a franchise QB, but is good enough to teach a rookie and I think moore will improve after this loss. Pouncey will get better. Right now it looks as if Miami will have somewhere between the 5th and 7th pick in the draft, which should be good enough to get one of the top QBs. And Miami persists in trying to run Bush up the middle, and didn’t get him enough opportunities in space to use his speed to his advantage. And WHY they tried to use him to run into the end zone instead of Daniel Thomas I will NEVER know!!! And Clay didn’t catch a single pass all day. Miami needs to get gates more playing time at WR.
Bush can be used near the goal line if he's catching a pass in the flat or running to the boundary (Gibril Wilson leap)
but I agree he is severely misused on the goal line…play action pass to Fasano or Clay…anyone anyone anyone?
And WHY they tried to use him to run into the end zone instead of Daniel Thomas I will NEVER know!!!
how about incompetence and stubborn play-calling
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by DolphDallas on Nov 25, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
It is called injury, in fact, but don't let facts get in the way of a good argument!
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Clay caught 1 pass for -1 yards
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
He’s already showed he can do it. He ran a goaline run up the gut last week for a td but if the blocking is bad it’s bad. That play yesterday was just bad blocking, one of the guards missed his assignment, the announcer said it himself. I still think he should be utilized more on the edge. Even though he ran hard and got the touches, I think they were to conservative with it.
Haters gon' hate...
I am still too pissed to take an objective look at yesterday's game
I totally agree with you review of the game and Miami players. This squad is a group of winners trapped in a losing culture. I was hoping Sporano could turn it around and be the guy. However, when they went ultra conservative with a 2 point lead…I knew they were going to lose and that Sporano just doesn’t have the “it” to coach in the NFL. You must stay in attack mode until the clock reads zero. Nice guy, just no killer instinct.
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by phatfinfan on Nov 25, 2011 6:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Nailed it!
Great guy. Goes conservative way too quick. Blows too much in-game strategy stuff. Players love him, but he is a coach that really needed some time as a coordinator before making the move to head coach. Maybe he will get that at his next position and return to head coaching some day. But think he needed the Dolphins to win out to keep his job in Miami.
Couldn't agree more with everything written above!
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by Dolphinator on Nov 25, 2011 6:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dead on with this write up, a poorly coached Miami team played their hearts out
to me this game should show how bad sparano is. he regressed back to his old conservitive play calling in the redzone and clock managment with 3 min left and 2 pt lead. this is exactly why this team is 3-8. no shame to the players, man they played hard the entire game and deserve better than what they got. Ross needs fix this now, no excuses.
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by DolphDallas on Nov 25, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well.... i sure as hell was impressed with the way miami played.....
i just think the dolphins are a few players away from having a very good team, who knows this next draft and fa might just bring the ones you need. it seems like this year for yall was alot like ours last year….. didnt start well, injuries, losing our main QB, coaching change, but there is a bright side…. keep drafting well grab a important fa find, keep your young players progressing and dolphins will be ok . )
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
Good Write up ... I was pretty annoyed last night
With the ending of the game in particular… the last drive and the failure to let them into the EZ to preserve time to try and win…. but all in all we played a great game last night, and this team is night and day from the early season version.
That also means there was a lot of GOOD in that coaching effort as well as the frustration at the end. 0-4 in the red-zone wasn’t great, but that Dallas front 7 was seriously tough, and we certainly tried HARD to get in. That touch pass inches too long for Reggie springs to mind. D and Special teams were great, first two punts inside their 10… Wake was consistently good, Burnett was everywhere (11 tackles), Bell made some great tackles, McDaniel batted a pass, Solliai was excellent, Starks had tackles for losses. Davis and Smith both had interceptions. As you note, it took an awesome effort from Romo to score on our D late on. Offensively – they got everyone in the game and had some real impressive drives, goal to go aside. Catches wise… Marshall 5, Hartline 4, Bush 3, Fasano 2, Bess 2, Gates 1, Thomas 1, Clay 1.
If it wasn’t for the 0-7 earlier in the season, we wouldn’t be beating up on them too hard for this one IMO.
yes. i was certainly impressed with Wake ......
a lot of hustle in that young man .
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
i think moore did make quite a few mistakes in this game
He didn’t get rid of the ball quick enough, instead taking the sack and he could have easily caught that snap, or at least recoverwed the fumble. Jake Long made a lot of mental mistakes with false starts, but that’s bound to happen when you are facing the best pass rusher in the NFL. Pouncey was weak today, but Jerryworld is a hard place to play in, so I can understand that.. Sean and Vontae played great, but on the sideline TD, to robinson I believe, Smith was forced to play catchup with him, also Bell, I think, was right there and he could have easily seen that sean was a few steps behind the WR, and taken up the coverage, instead he literally just stood there, preferring to watch the play unfold, those kind of mental mistakes lead to TDs, which is why we lost the game. We were getting great pressure on romo towards the end of the game, but romo played great, he actually looked like a legit franchise qb.
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by AnishB15 on Nov 25, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I wonder why Davis wasn't matched up on Robinson and Smith wasn' matched up on Bryant
seems like not the best matchup in my opinion.
Matt Moore, with some time and development could become a poor man’s Tony Romo…something to look forward to
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by DolphDallas on Nov 25, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Moore played way too nervous.
One of our first half trips to the red zone, he threw the ball away out of the end zone on 3rd and about two. Got worried about the potential for pressure and no receivers were immediately open. So he chucked it out of the end zone. When all he had to do was shuffle to the right a step and had a clear run for the first up the middle and probably would have even made the end zone. Past weeks he was a good runner. Yesterday in the first half, it seemed like he forgot all about being able to use his feet to put pressure on the defense. Then not catching shotgun snaps. Sure they weren’t perfect, but the QBs job to catch those. Dwight Stephenson was one of the best centers to ever play the game, but he quite often made Marino reach various directions for shotgun snaps. One of the many little ways in which Marino really was exceptional. But QBs taking shotgun snaps are just like a receiver, if you can get your hands on it, you gotta make the catch. The snaps weren’t perfect, but definitely catchable.
I would be nervous too , if my O line was letting me get beat up like he was !
but I agree with you on the one play where he should have run through the gap like you said . i was screaming at the t.v. RUN THROUGH THE HOLE !!! He ‘s no marino, but not a bad QB, he just needs some coaching up, and i’m afraid this staff isn’t up to the task. O line play yesterday was horrible, and was a big factor in the loss. yes there were other things that went wrong, but you have to give credit to the cowgirl’s and to (sigh) romo. they kept moore on the run for most of the game , and if your O line can’t hold, then you are done.
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by daytonadolfan on Nov 25, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Despite the Loss it was a good game
Great post! Had we converted just one of those red zone attempts into a TD, it would be a different story this morning. I think we did a decent job of managing the clock as well. All in all, we only lost by one point…against an arguably better team. I still see some wins in our future this season!
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If we make all FG's, we win this game. Literally grahm missed it by about a foot. With that said your in a dome shouldn't that had more of a chip shot.
by D0lphins4Life on Nov 25, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I believe we got a jinx from the commentators cuz right before the kick they couldn't stop saying about how Grahm hasn't missed in like 24 attempts
As if he was biasly praying to the football gods for him to miss it.
by D0lphins4Life on Nov 25, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
apparently...
The only people that criticize Matt Moore is everyone outside of the editors of this website. He played pedestrian. He’s not someone to groom a rookie behind, you do not tutor a franchise QB behind a perennial backup. Wow, just wow.
by Altersreality on Nov 25, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He never said anything about Moore being a tutor to anyone but thank you for playing anyway.
If you look around the league there are countless examples of guys that have no business being the lead guy on a team being a place holder while the team gets the rookie up to NFL speed and ready to start.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 25, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I understand Alters' skepticism, but I am not sure beggars can be choosers at this point
I’d like to give our next QB at least a little bit of a cushion when they hit town, unless our new QB is Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley, in which case they’ll be ready to go right off the bat.
And if I had to decide to keep either Henne or Moore while bringing in a rookie like Robert Griffin III, I’d go with Matt Moore every time. Moore at least understands some of the finer points of running an offense.
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Great game
We played our hearts out yesterday, and it was the slightest things that caused our record to drop to 3-8. On one lf the drives in the 3rd quarter there was 3 plays in a row, where Cameron wake had his hands on tony romo and just almost brought him down before he dumped a pass off. Our secondary was wonderful (despite some seperarion problems) and to me what was interesting was how we saw absolutely nothing of karlos dansby this game. He’s a great veteran who I’m sure combined with Cameron wake, would rip up any qb to shreds. As for offense, Reggie bush was a beast (however I got annoyed with how they’d just run him up the middle every play) B-marsh has been playing like a baller as well as all our other talent like bess, hartline, and fasano. Moore gave out good passes, spread the ball around, had a good o-line around him (most of the time) and looked to me like the man for the job to help raise and eventually step down for (insert rookie qb here).
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by Phinsguy99 on Nov 25, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I believe Moore did make some critical mistakes and on the same token made some good plays.
I believe on the one redzone trip where he threw the ball into the stands. I think he could’ve easily ran for the first down instead of throwing the ball away. He got a little anxious I’m sure since he had cowboys in his face and at his feet all day. The touch pass to Bush was ridiculous, that was just inches away, but Ware made a hell of a play to interrupt Bush. But he at least gave him a chance with a almost perfect throw. The almost TD to Hartline in the back of the endzone sailed a little.
Finally, Romo is good but he also has a Giant sized horshoe stuck in his ass. If only Davis attacks the football instead of waiting it come to him, Witten doesn’t catch that ball and pretty much game set point. As much as the D played well on the same token they gave up critical third down plays to get them off the field. Either way though I ‘ll still take the way this D is playing versus the D that we had earlier in the year. Tough break would be an easier loss to take if we didn’t already have 7 of them.
Matt Moore wasn't great
He just didn’t implode.
He threw balls behind receivers.
He ran out the clock at the end of the half by running for a yard, instead of throwing it away to save clock and get one more play at a TD.
He DIDN’T run on that 3rd and 3 from the 6 when he COULD’VE HAD A FIRST DOWN.
The people who disemboweled Henne for these kind of mistakes are blinded by the Ws.
Don’t confuse my criticism for hate. Moore’s done plenty right to demonstrate he can play at this level. But his decisions aren’t indicative of a 5-year vet, either.
To think of Moore as anything other than a solid backup would be foolish and premature.
I do agree that he is someone you could trust at the helm while a rookie learns the system.
by DrJay32 on Nov 25, 2011 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He DIDN’T run on that 3rd and 3 from the 6 when he COULD’VE HAD A FIRST DOWN.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to notice that… I was yelling at the TV… run it, RUN IT!… and then he threw it behind a well covered Hartline. Doh!
But overall I think Moore played a pretty good game… I like him a lot more than Henne, and if he keeps playing like he is now, then I hope we hold onto him for next season.
Yep. Agreed. He made some good throws, but he also played scared at points yesterday, he threw way behind Bess on third down during Miami's final offensive series
And he’s clearly not a fan of taking the ball upfield.
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We made it very difficult for Romo...
to choose which wide open receiver to throw it to in the Zone coverage. I saw three DB’s standing in open space covering air while various Boyz were dancing in the seams.
Conservative play calling with a 2 pt lead. Fist pumping field goals. I felt like I was watching a recovered heroin addict relapse.
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Dolphins Come Down to Earth
That 3 game winning streak sure came crashing down in a hurry when the Dolphins played a legitimate contender instead of the previous, 3 bottom feeders. This was the test to see if the Dolphins could play against a substantive team, but once again the Dolphins failed to capitalize on numerous opportunities. Sparano will have a job, much to my chagrin and countless other fans, through the remainder of the season. However, I will have great satisfaction in the fact that he will not be there next year. That’s all I want for Christmas is for Sparano to be gone.
Moore showed what happens when a young QB gets pressured early and often
Make no mistakes, he made some critical errors, but that is harder to get away from when you have a hand “or several” on you at several points.
People can point to Romo, and say how well he did under pressure, but the key is, he HAS BEEN in this position for years, and was able to learn how to adjust. Not making excuses, but people were and have been saying the same thing about him that people on this site are now saying about Moore.
Coming into the game, people were saying the Cowboys are a playoff team. Yesterday, they showed why. They also showed why I had been saying all week that one of the keys would be to limit Whittens effectiveness. I should have added that rookie they got from the Chargers to that list, and Murray. Both seemed like they have been playimg for years.
Overall, people are overlooking that the game against a playoff contender came down to one point. Our secondary prooved that they CAN catch footballs, and our line on offense prooved how important Carey really is to our lineup. Imo, the excitement of playing across from Ware got to Long, and Garner really should be playing snaps at RT. If of course Carey comes back.
Overall, minus the loss, you have to see that this is a game that shows we are not as far off as some say.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 25, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed.........
just keep the faith ….them pesky pats have to give up that throne soon …. sent bill B a note and told em his true calling is running a nursing home……muwahahahahaaa
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
This game falls on Moore
I’m torn because he played really well at times and other times your just scratching your head. As someone mentioned above on 3rd and 3 he easily couldve ran for the first instead of throwing the ball out of the back of the end zone. His accuracy was also off in this game on several throws, but he also made some money throws. All in all they played a great game and showed they could hang with anybody. Our blitzes were just a second late several times and it amazes me Romo was able to hit on all those throws with pressuring baring down. I was hoping he’d fumble the hold on the FG at the end :)
Tough loss and definitely a game we could’ve won, but I feel better about my Fins. Sick of people like Armando talking about how this team has no talent. We do have talent and we are way better than 3-8. Things are looking up for us, when was the last time we had an offense that could move the ball like this??
Spoiler role is here, let’s knock the jets officially out of the playoffs, knock the snot outta brady, remind buffalo in game 2 where the division’s basement is. We are the second best team in this division no doubt, we have 5 games to put everyone back in their place.
Go Fins!!
by InFINcible on Nov 25, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
we already played 2 games against Buffalo
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 25, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
one down, one to go...Dec 18
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by DolphDallas on Nov 25, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I would say that the game could have easily have fallen on Reggie Bush for two plays that he did not make...
The pass to him at the end of the half…instead of just running the route normally, he tries to backpeddle and jump for it…lost a TD and a chance to tie going into the half.
The sweep to the left with Pouncey pulling…he was weaving in and out of traffic and then just fell down…instead of scoring in the Red Zone…Fins settle for a FG and the score is 10-9 instead of 17-10
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by DolphDallas on Nov 25, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Good call
The pass to Bush was actually perfect were he not backpeddling. That’s why he was unable to jump and make a play on it. If he runs under that pass its a TD. Good point on him tripping up as well. Overall he played a good game, I can’t really be down on him. I think Moore missed on more passes than I would have expected but you get enough pressure on a QB and he will start to feel it when its not there.
no it was a terrible pass
Bush was running vertical, the ball should’ve been to his inside shoulder because he was right in the middle of the field, behind everyone. Instead, the ball came out over his back shoulder. It was a poorly placed throw. If Bush runs underneath the ball, he has to crane his neck back and catch it Willie Mays-style over his head. If he tries to turn around real quick around to the other shoulder, he loses the ball. He ran his route perfectly, and Moore missed him.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 25, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
+1. The ball wasn't placed well there
And that’s one reason why Moore is a stopgap and not the future for us at QB.
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Hard to put it on Bush though when you saw first hand how hard he was constantly to bring down.
He did not play like an undersized scat back last night. Imo, by the time he missed those play, he looked gassed. That goes on the oline, and lack of running lanes. Constantly being met at the line, with no other alternative and still allowing the whistle to blow because they cant bring him down should actually be a testament to how hard he played last night.
For me, the game boils down to a mental breakdown in the middle of our defense. From Soliai, all the way back to the free safety. Demarco Murray gashed the d for several yards up the gut.
On offense, mental mistakes were our demise. Between penalties, and poor decisions on ball placement, we got clobbered. From Pouncey’s snaps, all the way to Longs random penalties, this team was way off rythym, and it showed.
In all honesty, I think the biggest part was a spotlight game only four days after their last win. The players both gassed themselves up, and psyched themselves out of this win.
The biggest part? Take away two mental errors, and we win. It is that simple.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 25, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats the spirit.. go get em .......
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I think the play calling definitely hurt him, way too conservative to win. All in all I think he is an upgrade. but I’m really looking forward to drafting jones, or someone that could be a franchise qb.
by JImbo111 on Nov 25, 2011 10:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I went into the game hoping we wouldn't get embarrassed and we weren't.
1 point losses suck, but we outplayed them for the most part, except on the scoreboard.
Losing 4 games this year by less than 3 points is the real heartbreaker in a season if what’s if’s and could haves.
Very entertaining game
I thought Moore played well outside a few obvious mistakes that basically cost us the game. The fumble deep inside our red zone directly lead to 7 points for example; the unnecessary sack making a longer FG for Graham being another. But Moore shows a much better than expected (at least to me) touch on the deep pass, which he connected with frequently. Yahoo Sports has Moore going 19-32, 1 TD and a 99.5 Passer rating. You take those kind of numbers every time from your starter. I can see why some people are annoyed at some of the mistakes, like the ones mentioned above and the behind-the-back attempted pass to Devone Bess with 4:00 MIN left, but some of the mistakes are correctable (fumbles).
Or course we still have to grab a QB first round no matter what, but as long as Moore keeps playing like this and cuts back on some errors, the rookie Qb wont be seeing the fireld for awhile.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
by zeusmith on Nov 25, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
19-32, 288 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Moore averaged 15.16 yards per completion, which is pretty awesome.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
True but he needs to be a bit more consistent and cut down on some of his poor decisions but I do like that he does
not throw INT’s. There is a lot to work with there to make him a place holder for a bit.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 25, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Moore does need to cut down on his mistakes
But I’m quite confident that things like the 2 fumbles are correctable, and perhaps a strategic throw-away instead of taking the sack. Those mistakes did cost us this particular game, but are correctable going forward.
It’s looking increasingly clear that Ireland made an excellent decision getting Matt Moore to back up for this team. I don’t see ANY downgrade here from Chad Henne, and his contract is quite reasonable. In fact, I’d say he’s a clear upgrade from Henne – at least with the way he’s playing the last 4 games. Keeping Moore for 2012 can be quite beneficial if we draft a guy like your man RGIII, allowing us to sit him in year 1 if Moore keeps playing this well. RGIII probably needs a bit of time watching (like a Colin Kaepernick but a bit more advanced) to help his development long term. No rookie QB will be seeing the field anyway with Moore playing this well. All for $3M/season.
As much as I slag Ireland for being a hit and miss kind of Player Personnel guy, he deserves credit for getting Moore cheap. If he keeps playing well, we might be able to trade him a la Kyle Orton for picks while our QBOTF grooms for 2013.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
But I’m quite confident that things like the 2 fumbles are correctable, and perhaps a strategic throw-away instead of taking the sack. Those mistakes did cost us this particular game, but are correctable going forward.
People also hve to realize that while our red zone offense could have been better, it wasn’t necessarily the reason we lost the game. On the drive where we kicked our last FG, Moore on third down and goal, while being flushed out of the pocket, threw a pass to Hartline at the back of the end zone between 2 defenders in exactly the only location it could have been thrown. Hartline would have had to make a tough catch, but it hit him in both hands. That was a throw that could have been caught for a TD, and it was well placed. It goes down as an incompletion in the boxscore but it could have won us the game. The defense also could have stopped Dallas on that last drive, but ended up yielding an easy 28 yard FG.
The ultimate point is while some mistakes by Moore clearly and directly lead to points which cost us the game, the reality is we still had chances to win outside of the mistakes Moore made.
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by zeusmith on Nov 25, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought this was one of Moore's best throws of the day.
On the drive where we kicked our last FG, Moore on third down and goal, while being flushed out of the pocket, threw a pass to Hartline at the back of the end zone between 2 defenders in exactly the only location it could have been thrown. Hartline would have had to make a tough catch, but it hit him in both hands. That was a throw that could have been caught for a TD, and it was well placed.
It was thrown in the only place it could have been to be completed for a TD. Sometimes guys need to just make a play. Big time players make big time plays. It was a big time throw, but Hartline isn’t a big time WR.
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I agree that that throw to Hartline in the endzone was a heck of a throw
in a difficult situation and under diress. Moor put the ball through a tiny window and to a point where neither the trailing defender or Abram Elam who was underna=eath the route and ahead of it could get at the ball. I also dont blame Moore for throwing into double coverage there because the situation was so critical, the pressure was so heavy and he believed he could make the throw which he did.
However its tough to be too hard on Brian Hartline here. He made some great plays on Thursday and despite a brilliant throw the fact remains that the ball was high and behind him. No matter the circumstance that is a brutally difficult catch.
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That was a bad pass. High and behind your WR is an awful place to put the ball.
The LBer was turned and was almost a nonfactor in the play, other than Moore had to throw over his hands in the air. The WR wasa badly beaten by Hartline. If Moore threw it high, but on target; Hartline elevated enough to make that catch. Blame it on Moore for not seeing that the LBer was turned around or on chemistry not knowing Hartline can leap, but that pass could have definitely been thrown better.
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I completely disagree with you PotM. Im going to explain why I disagree.
First off I have watched the play multiple times and Im confused as to what Linebacker you are talking about. There were two Linebackers on the play (Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee), Lee played man to man on Daniel Thomas and Ware was the rat in a combination coverage.Moore scrolled out of the pocket and so sucked Ware with him. Neither Linebacker was involved with Hartline. Hartline was at the top of the screen, Bess in the slot, Fasano on the other side of the formation, and Marshall at the bottom of the screen. The coverage is a combination coverage with two deep safety (Elam and Sensabaugh). Sensabaugh doubles Marshall with Alan Ball. Bess runs a short pattern toward the goalline being covered by Orlando Scandrick. Hartline obviously into the back of the endzone with the coverage from Terrence Newman. IMO Rob Ryans call was superb and Abram Elam such a smart player who is so familiar with his scheme. Basically they showed double coverage on Bess (brackett) and so by default Hartline was in man with Newman and had a step on him. However as Moore scrolled out the coverage changed. Scandrick closed the gap on Bess who had completed his pattern at the goalline and Abram Elam (SS) shifted onto Hartline. He is a veteran player who timed the transition well and understands that he has to get in front of Hartline because Newman is the trailing defender. It was a very deceptive call, and now Matt Moore is in somewhat of a jam. Ware is closing on him, Bess is blanketed and Hartline is about to be doubled. So he threw between the double coverage and to the back shoulder which was the only place neither Newman or Elam couldnt get at the pass.
Extremely hard catch but it was Moores best option and he executed a great pass so I disagree with your assertion.
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slight correction
once the coverage shifted and Scandrick closed the gap on Bess, he reinitiated a route toward the sideline and Scandrick went with him.
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Reggie Bush
Skimming through the replies and reading the whole article, I think you ALL have undervalued how hard and ferocious Reggie Bush was yesterday. Number wise, it was a so-so game. Nothing great, but definately nothing to be ashamed about. With that being said, did you all not watch Reggie Bush? The man refused to do down yesterday. There were multiple times I was extremely impressed with how hard and how much power was behind Reggie’s runs. He looked possessed out there.
I’m loving the Reggie Bush pick up and I think he CAN be used as a every down back. Thomas is a nice change of pace bruiser, but Reggie showed his ability to run hard and fight for extra yardage, even up the middle, yesterday.
the Dolphins played a very good game....
There is always going to be mistakes in about every game. They just need to keep playing the same way and we could still be 8-8 at the end of the season. It’s a hard pill to swallow with this loss, but I actually am entertained finally by our offense and defense. I feel like we are in every game lately and don’t have the feeling that our QB is going to loose the game for us. Unless your GB, you are going to lose some games.
by Ski_Lo on Nov 25, 2011 12:33 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
loved the marshall td
when your wr gets put in a sleeper hold and still makes the catch, it should lay the trade talk to rest
honestly i am not too angry with the loss anymore
the season is over, it would have just been a win to boost our confidence and our recognition
Still, some young players showed a lot of good qualities and showed that we have the potential to be a serious contender in years to follow. I loved watching Pouncey pull on a running plays, the guy is a lot better than we thought he would be and he will grow out of his rookie miscues
I think Moore's biggest problem yesterday
Was that he played WAY too conservatively in the red zone. Miami probably scores on their first possession inside the 20 if Moore tucks and runs towards daylight on third down. Still, I don’t dislike what Moore has done for us as a starter … And I am super-critical of the QB position.
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by kmb8488 on Nov 25, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's a tease
we all know this. He’s going to look terrific, and then bonehead you out of football games. And if the team falls for the ruse (Like Carolina in 2010), you end up 100% bad. It wasn’t his fault Carolina was terrible, but he contributed. He’s just good enough to win a few games and impress you, and bad enough to hold a team back. Sounds like 90% of the guys we’ve had since Marino.
God help us if he’s the 2012 starter.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 25, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coaching was the biggest issue in Carolina IMO...
John Fox and the entire staff quit on the team. No one there had a chance to succeed. I’ve talked with some of my friends who are Panthers fans about Moore. They say that they wish him well and hope he does well. They agree that he never really had a chance to succeed with Fox. They also don’t necessarily think he’s the long term answer for anyone.
I am not saying he’s the guy, but I think he is playing his way into the discussion. I think it all depends on how the draft plays out. If Barkley, RG3, and Jones all stay in school as has been rumored, then I don’t have an issue waiting until the 2013 draft to move up and get one of them. I’d rather do that than take a lower tier QB in the first like Foles or Cousins. If Barkley and crew enter the draft, then we MUST take one of them.
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I agree
And again I’m very pleasantly surprised by the quality of some of Moore’s passes, particularly the deep ball. That pass he threw to Davone Bess for his one-handed grab down the middle was a PERFECTLY placed ball in the middle of the zone between 3 defenders. That bomb to Marshall was pretty much exactly where it needed to be, and that bomb to Clay against the Bills was pure poetry. Those are 3 examples (amongst others) of great long touch recently.
But as Nicky points out, sometimes Moore can be inaccurate on easy passes. Examples would be the quick slant to Bess with 4:00 MIN remaining which could have extended the drive and eaten clock and the bad short pass to Bush early on. I guess that’s the difference between an elite QB and a decent one.
Either way, Moore is making the case for an excellent place-keeper and possibly Moore (pardon the pun), depending on who’s available in the draft and whether he can sustain and improve his play. I’m guessing he’s a Kyle Orton type good place-keeping QB but I’m open to his audition based on the evidence. Still gotta get Barkley, Luck, RGIII though.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
"Just good enough" is an excellent way to describe Moore. He's absolutely not the answer for us at QB. People need to let go of that notion right this second
He’s a game manager who does some things well and gives you a chance to win against most teams. That’s pretty much it.
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I agree mostly
And I don’t think he’s the answer long term. But he’s doing more than just “a few things well” the past 4 games:
280 completions, 416 attempts, 67% completions, 3604 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INTs, 112.7 passer rating.
Divided by 4
He’s actually been one of the better QB’s in the NFL – albeit against some fairly weak defenses. Still, a good game (outside of 3 or 4 obvious game turning mistakes) on the road against a would-be playoff team on a short week is nothing to scoff at. I’m 85% sure he’s a Kyle Orton decent QB but you never know. Have to draft a QB and let the best one start the games.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
You have to be fair and give a man his due
Even if you don’t think he’s the solution. The man is making A LOT of NFL plays right now, although he made his share of mistakes too last game. But the numbers speak for themselves RIGHT NOW.
Then again, the numbers spoke for Ryan Fitzpatrick the first 4 or 5 games and then he came back to earth. Probably the same will happen with Moore.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
His presence could take a small amount of heat off of our rookie QB next season, and I am all for that
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Being the nerd I am, I just ran some quick numbers...
extrapolating his numbers from this season over a 16 game season. I also extrapolated his stats from the last 4 games (where he’s been good) over a 16 game season.
Set 1: 276 completions, 476 attempts, 63% completions, 3214 yards, 16 TDs, 10 INTs, 87.8 passer rating.
Set 2: 280 completions, 416 attempts, 67% completions, 3604 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INTs, 112.7 passer rating.
If he plays like set 1, he’s at worst a marginal starter in the league, along the lines of Kyle Orton, Matt Hasselbeck, etc. If he plays like set 2, he’s a Pro Bowler and MVP candidate.
I’m sure the truth would fall somewhere in the middle, but if he keeps playing like this, then we aren’t in THAT much trouble. I’m still not sold on him, but like you said, he’s a comfortable start while grooming RG3 for the future.
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Yea I agree, he is playing well enough for me to be comfortable with him starting for a year or so
but in no way are we saying he is our future. He will be extremely beneficial if we draft a rookie QB
Good work Duke. Also I find it refeshing that they still teach math in your part of the country. I always wonder about the Nascar set of course.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 26, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Moores fumble was the difference in the game
But he played well. He missed some open receiver, but also made some great passes. The defense played well also. They kept Romo under pressure all game. The only problem with them is they don’t get enough sacks. Some of the was great play by Romo,but we need to get more sacks. One sack just won’t do.
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I remember near the beginning of the season when we went for two and failed...
And every one gave Sparano crap. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!?! He obviously should have gone for two in this situation. The touchdown puts you up by 5, it is only logical to go for 2 and make it 7, but Sparano didnt. Guess how many points our team lost by?!?!?! I’d rather our team lose 18-20 then have the game be 19-20. Yea, I understand that the number of points dallas would score is unpredictable, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt still try to get your team up by a solid touchdown. If we are up by 6, 2 field goals ties it, but a touchdown wins it. If our team is up by 7, 3 field goals wins it, and a touchdowns only ties it. The positives of going for 2 outweigh the negatives. If we are up by 5 if we failed, yes, 2 field goals does win it for them, but with how our defense has been playing, I’d trust them.
I disagree. That wasnt near the begginning of the season either
that was in the Denver game in week 7. I believe that going for two in that situation was the wrong decision as it was too early in the game and going for two with 3 minutes to play in the third on Thursday would also have been a terrible decision. With that much time to play too many things can happen. Until going for two is vital, it is too early to do it as points are so valuable.
Think of this contigency for example. If we fail to convert the two point coversion, put another key drive together in the fourt has we did and settle for a field goal as we did that is only an 8 point swing. (one possession) That the cowboys scored a touchdown between these possessions is irrelevant because that scenario holds so much danger. The points are extremely valuable and must be taken until the situation strongly dictates otherwise and you are very deep into the game.
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The other part of the equation
is how good is your team at scoring from two yards out? This years Phins? Not so good for a couple of years now actually.
So for this team, I am with you, go for two only when you absolutely have to. Otherwise, you are just taking another point off the scoreboard more often than you are putting an extra one on. Now if I am making the decision for the Pats, GB, or other teams that are good at red zone scoring, it is a much different set of circumstances.
Im not sure.
No matter the team Id be hard pressed to go for it with that much time on the clock.
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