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Miami Dolphins Coaching Candidates: Bill Cowher

I've previously done previews for Rob Chudzinski and Marty Mornhinweg, but their previews were met with resistance because many prefer an experienced coach.  Given the recent comments made by Bill Cowher, I figured this would be a great time to discuss him.

Bill Cowher was a linebacker and captain at North Carolina State when he graduated with a degree in education in 1979. He signed with the Philadelphia Eagles as an undrafted free agent that same year.  In 1980, he signed with the Cleveland Browns where he spent three years.  The Browns traded him back to the Eagles in 1983 and he spent his final two seasons there, primarily serving on special teams.  During Cowher's career, he was best known for ending a young player's career prematurely due to an ankle injury.  Coincidentally enough, that young player happened to be former Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher.

Cowher started his coaching career with the Cleveland Browns in 1985 under Marty Schottenheimer.  He served two years as a special teams coach before being promoted to secondary coach. He served two more years in the same position and then followed Schottenheimer to the Kansas City Chiefs in 1989 to serve as defensive coordinator.

Star-divide

Cowher was hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers on January 21, 1992 and succeeded Pittsburgh legend Chuck Noll.  The Steelers were coming off a 7-9 season and made the playoffs only once in seven seasons prior to Cowher's arrival.  In Cowher's first season, Pittsburgh went 11-5 and earned home field advantage.  The Steelers defense ranked 2nd in the NFL, up from 22, in Cowher's first season under the direction of Dom Capers.  Pittsburgh went to the postseason in each of Cowher's first six seasons and in 1995, at age 38, he became the youngest coach to lead his team to the Super Bowl.

In Cowher's 15 years in Pittsburgh, he won 8 division titles, 10 postseason berths, 2 AFC Championships, and 1 Super Bowl.  He's coached 21 postseason games and played in the AFC Championship six times.  Think about that number for a moment.  Six AFC Championship games in 15 seasons.  Cowher has played in the AFC Championship game in 40% of his seasons.  That is an outstanding number.

The common perception is Cowher is a defensive oriented coach and prefers a power run game.  While Cowher does love tough and great defenses, he's done a very good job on the offensive side as well.  Cowher's offense has ranked in the top half of the NFL in 11 of 15 seasons and has been in the top 10 in 6 seasons.  Cowher has used a power run game for plenty of seasons, but that is what you do with Jerome Bettis.  Cowher has also had many years where his offense threw the ball over 50% of the time, including unleashing Pittsburgh's pass heavy offense when Ben Roethlisberger entered his third season.  Cowher also brought in home run threats like Willie Parker and Santonio Holmes, breaking the mantra of power RBs complimented by possession WRs.  On top of a successful offense, Pittsburgh's defense ranked in the top ten 10 times in Cowher's 15 years.

Besides the misconception of Cowher's style of coaching, he's not perceived as a QB friendly coach.  Consider the following before you judge how Cowher works with his QBs.  Neil O'Donnell and Roethlisberger both earned Pro Bowl berths in only their second season.  Kordell Stewart, O'Donnell, and Roethlisberger all went to the Pro Bowl as Cowher's QBs.  Cowher has sent three QBs to the Pro Bowl over his 15 year tenure.  That is more Pro Bowl QBs than Miami has in their history.

Beyond Cowher's success in assembling teams and winning, he has quietly put together a heck of a staff throughout his career.  Cowher immediately hired Dom Capers as his defensive coordinator in 1992 when he arrived, providing Capers his first chance as defensive coordinator. Capers was so successful he was hired by the Carolina Panthers as their head coach in 1995 and also earned another head coach position for the Houston Texans.  Capers serves today as defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers.  To replace Capers, Cowher promoted Dick LeBeau from secondary coach to defensive coordinator.  LeBeau went on to earn a head coach position with the Cincinnati Bengals before he returned to Pittsburgh as their defensive coordinator, a position he still serves in today.  To replace LeBeau, Cowher hired Jim Haslett who served as defensive coordinator for three years before being hired by the New Orleans Saints for their head coach position.  Other notable coaches to serve under Cowher include Marvin Lewis, Kevin Gilbride, Mike Mularkey, Chan Gailey, and  Ken Whisenhunt.

Among a successful coaching tree, Bill Cowher worked in tandem with Kevin Colbert since 2000 when Colbert was hired as the Steelers' GM. Cowher and Colbert had a very good relationship and was one of the best, if not the best, teams at assembling rosters.  Prior to Colbert being hired as GM, he served as an advance scout for the Miami Dolphins.  That stings a little, doesn't it?

Some think Cowher is of the "old" coaching tree and is outdated in today's NFL, but people seem to forget many of his former staff still serve in the NFL and would readily return to him if he came back.  Cowher coached in today's NFL and is familiar with today's game.  The coordinators he'd bring in/back are also familiar with the game and won't be outdated coaches like Dan Henning.  Coaching is only half of Cowher's success.  Assembling a great front office and coaching staff is the other half of his success.

Cowher may be the hottest commodity on the coaching market, but his latest comments have saddened many around the country.  Cowher's comments shouldn't be taken as gospel, especially because it was brought up to dispel rumors about him being contacted by Miami and other clubs.  Among the gray area in Cowher's comments, he said he wasn't "planning" on coaching in 2012 and said "as of today," meaning there is always wiggle room to change his mind.  Cowher has a deep respect for coaches and doesn't want to interfere with speculation, a thing he's been fighting since he retired after 2006.  Cowher saying he doesn't plan on coaching in 2012 is like Landry Jones saying he's not planning to enter the 2012 NFL Draft.  Why won't Jones say that?  Because it is a distraction.  Cowher is simply playing the politically correct game, but teams should and will still contact him in January.  Could he return to CBS?  Yes, absolutely.  Don't be shocked though to see him on the sidelines next year with a pair of headsets on though.

Finally, many people like to point out that a coach has never won a Super Bowl with two teams.  A total of 28 coaches have won at least one Super Bowl.  Mike Ditka, George Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Dick Vermeil are the only six coaches to have coached another team after winning a Super Bowl.  Seifert served three years with the Panthers, Ditka served three years with the Saints, and Shanahan currently coaches the Washington Redskins. Jimmy Johnson coached the Dolphins for four years Coaches have only had 11 opportunities to win multiple Super Bowls with four of the six coaches mentioned above.  That's not exactly a huge number given that we're talking from 1967 until today and there are 32 teams now fighting for the Super Bowl.  Holmgren and Parcells, the other two coaches, have both taken a second team to a Super Bowl.  Instead of thinking no coach has ever won with two teams, just think that 33% of them have taken their second team to the Super Bowl.  That's better than where Miami is at today, right?

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by finzrule on Nov 2, 2011 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the extensive information from KMB has swayed some of the fence sitters...

and also those who were luke warm to the idea of Cowher.

I was one of them. However, I still think there are very good candidates out there from the assistant group of many teams. The added plus is that they wouldn’t cost as much as Cowher would.

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant Finhead (damn writer names)

forgettaboudit….

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think Cowher will stay in the studio as well as Gruden

Some under the radar, or not “big named” possibilities are Jay Gruden ( look at what andy dalton is doing) and Rob Ryan (spice up the rivalry). Could just depend on if Ross wants a Defensive guy or an Offensive guy. Also that Chudz guy in the panthers.

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by southfloridamammalsfan on Nov 2, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I want a Yes, but I would rather have someone else option on the poll.

If Crowder comes here, he brings a lot….and he will be damn good. But, something just makes me want someone else.

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by Kevin Nogle on Nov 2, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Crowder? lol

Now theres a typo for you,lol.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 2, 2011 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

rofl.

I was writing about Crowder over on ArrowheadPride….guess it was stuck in my head.

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by Kevin Nogle on Nov 2, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg...made*

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by Kdog92 on Nov 3, 2011 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have some real linguists here... lol.

“fogettabouit”

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write-up bro! i wanted to keep reading more...lol

I say bring in Cowher, and give him whatever he wants. Can’t hurt any more than what we are currently going through can it?

Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?

"Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system"-Bill Walsh.

by FinzD54 on Nov 2, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment

I added a little more, including another paragraph. Reread it again if you’d like!

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 2, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bo Pelini

If Cowher and Gruden stay in the booth, do we look at a college coach? I think Pelini has the same attitude that both Gruden and Cowher possess. So why not consider him?

by Jared Maier on Nov 2, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

no retreads

please haven’t we seen enough? we need fresh new . come on fans i know its the “NEW NFL” but really lets take a chance Joe Robbie did with I 1 year coach named Shula.

I say Jay Gruden I’m sure Jon sent ross his way

I miss Don Shula

by FinfanJC on Nov 2, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Shula was a retread.

He came from the Colts.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does everyone forget that?

He was the losing coach in Super Bowl III, when the Jets beat the Colts in the AFL’s upset over the NFL.

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by Kevin Nogle on Nov 2, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course...

A coach is only a retread if he wins a Super Bowl with his first team. I don’t know exactly why or how that makes sense, but that is how it is in the eyes of some.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well given the small sample size its ridiculousness.

Also you have to look at each one individually. Take Shanahan for example-Give the guy another decent QB then see what he does. He had Elway, now he has Beck. Cowher won and won consistently with different teams that had different makeups. He reminds me a lot of Shula in that way and also brings the sort of instant respectability to the Phins that we always had under Shula. I say bring in Cowher if at all possible and let him build a new staff that will build a winning team.

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by texascowpunk on Nov 2, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah

I figured you’d like the portion where I do talk about the coaches that have won and come back. Six is not a big sample, especially when 1 of them is in his 2nd season with his next team. 2 of the 6 at least went to another Super Bowl.

Even if Cowher didn’t win and left after 3 years, I’d feel confident Miami would have a solid staff in place.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he took off because his wife was sick and he has been looking after his girls. He was doing what

any good husband and father would have done in his situation. Now his daughters are grown or about grown and he is probably looking for something to pour himself in to again.

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by texascowpunk on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I know people have said he left similar to Dungy, but Dungy’s situation was completely different because his son killed himself. A tragedy like that can change a man and I’d be shocked if Dungy ever coached again.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 3, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Dungy is also more about his ministry and does not have the drive to coach any longer.

Cowher lost his wife and probably needed the time off for himself and of course his daughters. I think the guy is as solid and stand up as they come and would love to have him come to Miami and run this thing for the next 20 years.

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by texascowpunk on Nov 3, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

what he said!

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by joel311 on Nov 4, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Retread implies something that was worn out or discarded and remade.

I’m neither not pro or con Cowher. At this point, I’m just ABS (anyone but Sparano).

Neither Shula nor Cowher fits the description of “retread”. neither was let go by their respective teams. It was their decision to move on. Belichik could be described as a retread since he was discarded by Cleveland.

by dab415217 on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

And hopefully you weren't saying Shula was a first year coach because he was Baltimore's HC for 6 seasons...

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 2, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The truth is, the two most successful coaches in Dolphins history were both retreads

That would be Don Shula, and Jimmy Johnson.

Don Shula won us two superbowls, including the history making 1972 season, and Jimmy Johnsons team may not have won one, but were almost always in the playoff hunt in each of his seasons.

On the flip side, we tried the up and coming coach out of college route as well, that left us with a bad taste in our mouth, as we watched him go back to coaching in the college ranks. Yes I am talking Nick Saban.

Either way, either route has their pros and cons, just like hiring hot named offensive and defensive coordinators. One went on to become the offensive coordinator of the ravens.

Either way, I just want a head coach with more pride and less excuses.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Nov 2, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cowher is waiting for the Giants Coaching position to open.

He will never be the Miami coach unless we give him control over everything and a huge payday.

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by MightyHal on Nov 2, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I also think he wants to stay close to home... one of the Carolina states I believe he's in....

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowher was great but then so was.............................................................

Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells.IMO the Dolphins need a young coach that dosent have a Marquee name, but is hungry enough to excell at his job.He needs to go through the rebuiding process.They need to stop relying on ONE person at coach or QB and think TEAM as in a lot more than ONE.

by broxtone on Nov 2, 2011 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Two words....

Bo Pelini

Rebuilt Nebraska, has the fire in his belly, new head coach to the NFL. Why not?

by Jared Maier on Nov 2, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

los delphines an tenido

Un cammron un tuna grande ahora ase falta buscar el coach que se llama TIBURON

by broxtone on Nov 2, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn it Baxter I told you I don't speak Spanish.

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by texascowpunk on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No! Italianos solamente...

Y catolico.

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the dolphins have had

A shrimp a big tuna now they gots to locate THE SHARK

by broxtone on Nov 2, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Que?

lol

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by NickCallaway on Nov 2, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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by wild zion beaver on Nov 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see what you did there

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by joel311 on Nov 4, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where are his eyes?!! Does he have eyes?!!

(damn zombies got to him)

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I would rather have a coach that traveled a similar path as Cowher

before he was hired by the Steeelers. The Joe Gibbs, Holmgreens and Parcells have proven enough for me. Being a superbowl winner will have you eating snacks because that hunger to win the 2nd sb isn’t as urgent as the 1st. Also it is different for a retread coming from an active duty position than one coming from the booth.

Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW

by fin4three5yrs on Nov 2, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

The Holmgrens and Parcells have brought a 2nd team to the Super Bowl.

Parcells also did it when he came back from the booth.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Nov 2, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

because that hunger to win the 2nd sb isn’t as urgent as the 1st.

That’s a foolish statement because if that were true how do you explain the coaches that have won multiple SB’s? Guys like Cowher are also driven by pride!

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by texascowpunk on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not really foolish

…because…those guys that have won the SB multiple times, have done it with one team. Usually it’s win the SB one year…win it the next or made the year after that….

Also, I think that the multiple SB winning coaches, they kind of luck into the next one…because they usually still have a great team from the previous SB. If they can keep the core players…it usually works. OFC there is some leeway with that…but on the whole…that’s how they get those multiple wins.

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still have to have the drive to push and motivate those same players.

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by texascowpunk on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure. I can agree with that. They are coaches...and they are doing their jobs...and they should love the game enough to push their players.

However…yes…ohhhh yes…there is a HOWEVER in there TCP…hahaha…

Like I said in a post below this one…if you get to the top…what motivation is there to get you to the top again….especially compared to someone who hasn’t been there before?

Now I’ll break it down into 2 categories.

  1. - Coaches who have won a SB…and then eventually go to another team. They obviously don’t have the same players, so they arn’t motivating the same players they previously took to the SB. Out of the 5 coaches to actually go to the SB with 2 teams, the 2nd team outing didnt work out for them.
  1. - Coaches who have won the SB and win it again with the same team and same core players. Those coaches…while they have won the SB multiple times, are still dealing with players that they coached before. Im willing to bet, and yes this is speculation on my part….which is bad for a debate…, that some of those players were leaders. So coaching, while it had something to do with multiple SB wins…isn’t always the coach. Sometimes it’s the players.

For example…to support #2… I can think of 3 teams that went to the SB with different coaches.

1 – Raiders 2002 (Callahn replaced Gruden)
2- Bucs 2002 (Gruden Replaced Dungy)
3 – Cowboys – 1995 (Switzer replaced Johnson)

So while it can be debated that those teams wen to the SB because of the former coaches….those teams…I don’t think…would have made the SB, if it were not for leaders on their team.

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

... from the booth --- Coach Greene? Now doing beer commercials....

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big names scare me.

Especially, after they been out of the game for awhile. However, Cowher is a coach I like. He’s the only big name coach I would look at. If I were Ross, I would make sure and look at other coaching candidates and pick the best one. I wouldn’t just choose Cowher because he’s a big name.

Coaches from the Saints, Packers, Steelers, and Pats would be on top of my candidate list.

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Nov 2, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

At present, I don't care.

Wins attract. Money does, too.

I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.

by Tunaflipper on Nov 2, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

So do tits and ass, but we're not talking Disney World....

Idk what I just said.

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it made me laugh

'Phins phor Liphe!

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by joel311 on Nov 4, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we look at Joe Philbin, the OC of the Packers

but Cowher is ok too…

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by Kdog92 on Nov 3, 2011 6:18 AM EDT reply actions  

... at this point, Regis Philbin would do....

"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy,
even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it"
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."

by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will do what?

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by texascowpunk on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

show us some of his skilllllz!

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

People are saying you need to build from the GM down, instead of the coach out.

How about taking one of these “retreads” and promoting them? How would Cowher do as a GM?

by PNSter on Nov 3, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Cowher would likely hold both positions I would think.

“Complete control” is what he wants.

'Phins phor Liphe!

Draft The Newtron Bomb!

Sign Ortonimus Prime!

by joel311 on Nov 4, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Finhead, but your last arguement is weak

disclaimer – with all the statistics…its practically impossible to have a clear cut debate about this, because each stat can be made to support whatever arguement

Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves, Don Shula, and Dick Vermeil are the only coaches that have taken 2 teams to the SB. After they failed doing so….they pretty much got out of the game(With the exception of Parcells). I dunno about anyone else…but I don’t want a coach coming in here…half assing it…then once he gets close to the SB…says F it…I’m gone.

You can throw out as many numbers as you want…but the fact is…you can make those numbers work for you and to your arguement. Just like you and a few others point out above…against people who don’t wan’t Cowher.

Anyways, my point is, there has not been a coach that has gone to the SB to win it with a 2nd team. Regardless of 32 teams, those coaches…so on and so forth.

Now let’s go with what you said above:

“Mike Ditka, George Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Dick Vermeil are the only six coaches to have coached another team after winning a Super Bowl. "

Add in the other coaches I mentioned above…and you get a bigger number of coaches. However, lets just work with your list. Ditka, Seifert, Johnson, and Shannahan all failed…failed miserably. Holmgren and Vermeil are the only ones to have some sort of consistent success with their second teams.

Now lets go with the coaches that have gone to the SB with two different teams. That would be 5. So out of all the HC’s out there…there has only been 5 coaches. I’m not gonna do the math…cause I’ll screw it up…but I’m thinking along the lines of…5 coaches in the entire history of the SB era, against however many teams…taking into account a smaller league back in the day…if anyone wants to do that…go for it.

My point still stands….

0% of HC’s have won the SB with 2 different teams. I don’t care about oh they almost made it. Almost only counts in horseshoe’s and hand grenades.

0%

Thus ending my rant…lol…don’t flame me to hard

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 3, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yea...I'm not saying that I dont want Cowher...I'm just defending the position of not wanting a has been.

TBH….I want a HC that going to be here for awhile…I want consistency.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 3, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've been flamed....

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by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you are trying to say is that it's never been done before.

What Finhead83 is saying is that it hasn’t been tried often enough to worry about.

by PNSter on Nov 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it has.

9 coaches have tried it. Now take each year they’ve tried winning another SB….

to me that’s plenty of times.

Ok so breaking down JUST the 5 coaches that have taken two teams to the SB. Their name is bolded. The first team they coached, and then the other teams they coached with how many years they were with those other teams.

Mike Holmgren:
Green Bay Packers: then Seahawks from 1999-2008 = 10 Seasons

Bill Parcells
Giants: then Pats then Jets 1993 – 2006(Some years he didnt coach) = 11 Seasons

Dan Reeves
Denver: then Giants then Atlanta 1993 – 2003 = 11 Seasons

Don Shula
Hard to gauge this, because after losing in Balt…he came to the Fins, and won 2, but he had previously never won anything. Nor did he ever coach another team.

Dick Vermiel
Philly (went to the SB…lost). Went to STL, won a SB there, then went to KC = 5 Seasons, not including his failure at Philly.

C’MON MANNNN…thats 37 years…years…of combined seasons of trying to get there again. Thats just with 5 coaches. I didnt include any of the other coaches that the OP had mentioned. You can’t tell me 37 years isnt enough time…sorry…but the arguement is still…weak

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW...37 years is actually just the numbers from MH, BP, DR, and some of DV.

Shula and Vermiel are kinda hard to guage, Shula because when he won a SB…he stayed with the team and never coached again. Vermiel caoched…went to the SB…lost, went to another team, won, went to another team, never went back to the SB. So I guess you could throw in their numbers as well…but I tried just keeping the numbers straight across…such as…a Coach won a SB with a team, then went to another team.

if that makes any sense???

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 3, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reeves won with the 2nd team. He's not in the equation. Same with Shula.

Vermeil won the Super Bowl with STL so his Philly years don’t enter the equation. That takes off half the years at least.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 3, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, still not in the equation.

But the rest still stands.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 4, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

For those that have come back...

Seifert went to an expansion team and Jimmy was competitive and built Miami’s defense. Holmgren and Parcells made the Super Bowl. Vermeil went to a terrible Chiefs team, but didn’t win. None of them half assed it and left. Holmgren and Parcells don’t make the Super Bowl by half assing it and JJ doesn’t make the postseason doing that.

As for Shanahan failing, he’s completed one season as a Redskin coach. He hasn’t failed miserably.

0% of people have completed numerous things, such as passing for 5,000 yards or belting 70 HRs. There is a first for everything and a coach will win a Super Bowl with multiple teams as more coaches move around.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 3, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh I agree with you on eventually a coach will win a SB with 2 teams. However...statistically...that's not the case...and if it does happen...it's something that will be more of a fluke then anything...IMHO.

George Seifert might have gone to an expansion team, but as you can see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert#Head_coaching_record

His team declined.

JJ, while he took us to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years…never took us that far. I will give you that he built our defense…but we’re talking SB wins here…not building defenses. Hell if building defenses were the goal…Im allll for the chin.

Homgren and Parcells did go to the SB, but the former couldnt win it and had 10 seasons to do it…and the later couldn’t win it…and went to 2 other teams(Jets and Dallas)…and never got close.

I say Shanahan fails…cause it’s his 2nd year…and they aint doin shiot!….but I will give you that…he hasn’t had enough time to build. by year 4…(same amount of years Sparano has)…he will either be a failed coach…or on his way to being a truly great coach.

All being said…you deff bring up great points…and I welcome any and all criticism…but… a two team SB winning coach hasn’t happened yet. Now, I do not think it won’t happen, but I’m sure I speak for a lot of fans here…pardon my speaking freely for most of you, but I don’t want someone who, statistically, will not win a SB again. Now, I might be misguid3ed, but Im pretty sure all of us wants to have our team win a SB? Right? I’m sure we would just be happy to reach the preseason, but hell…whats the point of playing the game if you don’t play to win?

By no means am I saying I most deff don’t want Cowher…(because if he’s the best coach out there…then bring him in)….but I also want a Shulaesque figure in our organization, with regards to consistency. Consistency at the coaching position. Cowher, in my opinion, doesn’t bring that to the table.

Now with regards to half assing it…I might have misspoke, or not clarified myself. When I say half ass it, I mean that, they( SB winning coach) already have a SB win under their belt. TCP put it best…coaches have their pride…to win another SB, however, if you reach the top of something, where is the same will…the same fire to do it again? I liken it to climbing MT. Everest. While that simple…and flawed analogy is …well…flawed…(because of the same people climbing it again and again…)…you get to the top…and what else is there for you to do? You fly to the moon, well….what else is better? Mars?, the Stars?…deff not the moon again. That gets repetitive. Same thing with Everest. There is no challenge. So that’s what I mean by half assing it. I think those same coaches…while they get to the SB again…the very few that do…just may not have that same drive as….someone that hasn’t had a SB win yet.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may want to take a look at the seasons...

Parcells was 12-4 with the Jets in one year and in his third and final season, Testeverde ruptured his achiiles in the home opener. NYJ still finished 8-8. There were circumstances for some of those records.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 4, 2011 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

as are with any season. However...

Now that’s just playing the what if game. You have no idea how the season would have ended. Maybe they would have done worse had Testy been healthy. You just don’t know. So you have to go off of what did happen.

If you want to go that route…look at STL. Trent Green the starter…gets injured…Warner the backup steps in…he lights it up. So I don’t think injuries necessarily have anything to do with it.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that is a major excuse...

But the Jets were 12-4 previously and were strong contenders. I would say Parcells was close with NYJ. They earned home field advantage. The final season was expected to be similar until they lost Vinny.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 4, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize Shula left the NFL after failing to make a Super Bowl

with a 2nd team. Oh wait, he did make the Super Bowl with a 2nd team and then proceeded to win it… twice.

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by joel311 on Nov 4, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure....in the 70's...the next 20 years didnt look upon him kindly(in regards to SB wins)...with the exception of a few years in the 80's.

Hence why I said above…

Don Shula
Hard to gauge this, because after losing in Balt…he came to the Fins, and won 2, but he had previously never won anything. Nor did he ever coach another team.

So yes…technically…he did leave the NFL after not winning

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shula doesn't even fit into the debate I mentioned though. I don't see the relevance.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 4, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good read. Thanks for the work.

I’m ok with Cowher, but I wouldn’t mind some the assistants that are out there too.

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by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea...I mean...even with what I said above...

I’m not totally against Cowher…but I really really prefer someone who might be around for awhile. Not someone who has already won it, and probably doesn’t have the same fire as they once did. Ofc, it’s all circumstancial…as we don’t know how they feel…but still…lol.

You know…something I saw while looking all this stuff up…was a lot of these coaches came from legendary coaches…and the coaches mentioned above have spawned some good coaches of their own. I was really surprised to see a lot of these SB winning and perenial playoff contender coaches are all intertwined somehow.

I think that might be something to look at also.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Why not their very own Todd Bowles? He has credentials, is already there and has that "it" me and you are looking for in desire for winning a championship....

.
here’s four more. And I hope Finhead will do a piece on these and some others.

Gregg Williams – New Orleans

Dave Toub – Chicago

Perry Fewell – New York Giants

Greg Olson – Tampa Bay

[Finhead, I know you know your stuff, but if you need a starting point, I got a link….]

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by Alpha6 on Nov 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I plan to touch on plenty of people and you mentioned some I have already planned. I bumped Cowher a few weeks because he’s been a hot topic here and in the media. His recent comments made me want to bump his profile as well.

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by Finhead83 on Nov 3, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look forward to your analysis. BTW...what are your creds for analysing?

Just wondering…cause if you’re a coach yourself…it might be a different story then just a plain fan doing it because they like to. Not saying a coach is better at it then maybe someone who truly understands the game and just hasn’t gone through the ranks because life….well….sucks…lol…

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I slept in a Holiday Inn last night. Those are my creds!

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by Finhead83 on Nov 4, 2011 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!...lol

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Nov 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Just Wins

Cowher’s career win percentage as a coach 62.3%. There are only 5 active coaches with higher career win percentages (Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Belichick, McCarthy), 3 of whom have won Super Bowls. Coaches with lower win percentages than Cowher include: Joe Gibbs, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Mike Holmgren, and Bill Parcells. Regardless of his style or the fact that he’s a “re-tread” the guy just wins. Hire him if we can.

by Saxonthebeach on Nov 3, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i should be their coach

ive got two championships in five years with the ahoskie bobcats. you dont need a genius to coach football, just a serious desire to win. i dont see much fire in the dolphin players, and that comes thru the coaching staff ! dont get me started on the play calling, its like tweetle dee n tweetle dumb are flippin coins ( plays ) in the coaches booth. gl the rest of the way phins! darryl b. ireland

by bstrds on Nov 5, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I dont buy the idea that he doesnt want to coach

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