Dolphins QB Henne's Shoulder Separated; Season Ending Surgery Possible
by Kevin Nogle on Oct 5, 2011 5:01 AM EDT
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PrintEarly in Sunday's contest against the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne turned to hand the ball to running back Lex Hilliard on a draw. The problem was, Hilliard didn't know it was a handoff to him. Henne turned, trying to make a play, searching for a hole. In the end, he ended up left shoulder first into the ground, leaving the game and not returning.
MRI and X-rays have now shown Henne's shoulder to be separated. The good news is, for the right handed Henne, it's a non-throwing shoulder injury. The bad news is, initial reports show the shoulder needing season-ending surgery. For a quarerback looking to establish himself as a starting caliber player, playing in his final year of his rookie contract, the news is even worse for Henne.
If this is, in fact, the end of the Henne/Miami pairing, the quarterback will be the third of the last five quarterbacks for the Dolphins to leave his last game injured. Last year, Chad Pennington injured his shoulder, and is currently taking a year off from the game, before deciding if he will return in 2012.
Trent Green started five games for the Dolphins in 2007, before a concussion put him on the sidelines for the remainder of the year. Green eventually returned to St. Louis, where he had played in 2000, appearing in two games and starting an additional one.
Tyler Thigpen, who started one game last year, and the failed John Beck draft choice in 2007, serve as the other two quarterbacks in the period.
The Dolphins have sent Henne's film work to a specialist, hoping to get a favorable second opinion, and avoid him going under the knife. But, whenever a specialist is needed, it's never a good thing.
Henne, meanwhile, has been adament that he will not miss playing time this season, stating Sunday after the game, "I can rip this arm off, and as long as I can post the ball up, I think I can play."
On when asking if he would explain more about Henne's injury at Tuesday's press conference, head coach Tony Sparano stated, "No and I won't. I mean we don't have to give injury report out till Jet week. Right now I'm not going to talk about that."
Sparano was then asked if backup quarterback Matt Moore was, in fact, the starter. Sparano replied, "Right now because Matt Moore is the one that's practicing so we got to get Matt Moore ready to go and we have to look at contingencies obviously at this point in time but that's all we're doing. We're going to continue to work Matt Moore."
For a team whose fan base has been clamoring for a franchise quarterback since the 1999 retiring of Dan Marino, the loss of Henne for the season could be a blessing in disguise (or, maybe not even in disguise). With the loss of Henne, the odds of the Dolphins completely collapsing and earning the first overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft will increase. That position is expected to result in the selection of Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, a highly touted prospect expected to be a true franchise player.
However, for the 2011 season, Miami may need to go out and find a backup for Moore, even while holding out hope for Henne. When asked if the Dolphins needed to get that new quarterback, Coach Sparano replied, "We'll see. We'll see how it goes here." Reports, meanwhile, have come out that Miami has already begum the search for a second string QB to come in to Miami.
NFL.com reported on Tuesday that the Dolphins had entered negotiations with both David Garrard and Jake Delhomme, but those talks had broken down. Garrard was expected to be contacted later in the week, but the Dolphins were not willing to guarantee any base salary to whomever they bring in, while both Garrard and Delhomme were looking for security that the job would be for more than just a week or two.
Sparano did comment on Moore's performance in Tuesday's practice, stating, "He looked good. He did a good job out there. We'll probably, certainly the most reps he's taken in a while. Did a good job and had good recall, good control of the offense. There's no install today, just old playbook stuff."
Now, Miami's 2011 season is up to Moore and that "good job" on the practice field has to turn in to a good performance on the game field in two weeks against division rival New York Jets. Otherwise, in the mass turnover that's coming to Miami following the season, the 2010 NFL Draft's top overall pick will have been made with 6:03 left to go in the first quarter on Sunday, September 2nd.
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the final nail in the coffin.
i just wanna say i really liked chad henne when he was coming out of michigan and i was very excited about what he could do. unfortunatley things did not go how we and he expected and thats sad because he seems like great dude that loves the game. i hope finds success elsewhere i really do. and for our future i feel like its 07 all over again!…but thats fine bc i really think that sacrificing one more season is worth doing so if you have the chance to obtain the next great quarterback!.
AFC EAST CHAMPS 2008
Everyday it seems
more and more likely that were going to end up with the #1 pick. This really sucks, I was behind Henne 100% and he showed a lot of improvement over last year. I guess season really is over :(
Exactly!
Right on, Armchair. While everybody continues to rip Henne, they seem to have forgotten who else has lined up under center for the Fins over the last decade. I guess they’d rather have Ray Lucas or Jay Feeley – lol. Henne is the best QB this team has had, save for the often injured Pennington, since Marino retired.
I would say Fieldler was better then Henne.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 5, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
Fiedler was scrappy and very fun to watch. Tough break for Chad, ill admit I’ve been a critic and I think he has been playing pretty well. But I am all for going all in for a franchise qb, its way past that time. Look at all the elite teams out there, they have consistancy at the qb position. People really see how important a lead signal caller is when they watch indy go from a super bowl contender to the worst team in the league.
We do whatever it takes to get a player like Luck on this team. We keep Jake long and we may have to rebuild much of our offense and defense for that matter
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 5, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fiedler was decent
Won a lot of games, had a good defense and eventually got to hand the ball off to Ricky Williams. But even when they were loaded with talent & Ricky led the league in rushing (1800+ yds), they still went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. I don’t know if you remember the knock on Fiedler, but he lacked arm strength. Seems like the dreaded “pick six” was a weekly event with Fiedler whenever he tried to throw to the far side of the field. I agree that they should go all in for a franchise qb, but that franchise qb HAS to be there. Andrew Luck seems to be the only “can’t miss…no seriously, he’s not Ryan Leaf” qb out there right now.
That's a pretty sad statement
And shows why we have been a deeply unsuccessful organization since Marino.
Henne is the best QB this team has had, save for the often injured Pennington, since Marino retired.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Agree
I do think Henne has the talent, but he’s not had good coaching thus far, and that’s the real issue. The organization is a mess. I’ve mentioned it in other posts, and I’ll ask again: Do you think Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers would be who they are now if the Dolphins drafted any of them? I don’t.
Totally Agree...
Are a lot of talk about the dolphins get Long over Ryan… but if Dolphins drafted Ryan, at this moment he will be in the same positions as Henne… and meybe Henne will be more sucesfull in other team…
Yup
And then you’d be hearing all about how Matt Ryan is a bum, inaccurate, throws too many picks, low qb rating etc…Dan freaking Marino couldn’t win a Super Bowl here, but Henne (or anybody else) is going to? Puh-leeze – not until serious organizational change occurs.
this sucks...
Henne worked so hard during the offseason to get everyone together for practices. He really took over as the leader of the offense.
Henne showed alot of improvement since last year. I hope it’s not season-ending…but things don’t look good.
As for Moore, I feel comfortable with him. If we start winning games, cool, if not put Devlin in and see what he’s got.
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Looking at Omar's tweets
I kind of like his idea for us to trade for Jon Kitna, from the Cowboys.
"The more people I meet the more I like my dog."
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No...
It’s a temporary deal and wouldn’t do any good long term, especially since the asking price won’t be so cheap because of Romo’s injuries. It’s nothing against Kitna, but I’d rather stay the course or go after someone like Garrard.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
is Moore or Devlin a long term solution?
is Garrard a long term solution?
Hell no…I just want to win
"The more people I meet the more I like my dog."
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Co-Captain of Team Lindley
I don't think Devlin is a long term solution
But I’d like to take an opportunity to see what he has. Maybe he does surprise or he at least shows he can be a #2. Moore is not a long-term solution, but he doesn’t cost us a 4th round pick and won’t take weeks to learn the playbook. Garrard isn’t likely the long term solution either, but he won’t cost us picks.
I want to win too, but I don’t think trading for Kitna is the move we should do.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Delvin
I like this guy… he can be a guy like Dalton or McCoy… he can be a solid BackupQB and meybe a guy like Hasselbeck, not an elite QB, but a solid starter
No one is a long term solution
We need a new QB regardless. We need someone to finish the season and maybe act as mentor for the next QB if needed. Two year commitment at most.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 5, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean we trade for one now.
Who are they going to mentor? Matt Moore? We could do with Moore and Devlin if needed, but I am all for bringing in a new QB if it doesn’t cost us picks. Otherwise I’d be just as happy to find a mentor next year. In fact, I’d be just as fine having Henne and a rookie next year.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Please
No more Cowboys! Players, coaches, scouts, janitors, i dont want anymore Cowboys! Ok maybe a few of their cheerleaders!
^^^^ this x100,000,000,000,000
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by daytonadolfan on Oct 5, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget Pat White's Pittsburgh fiasco.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
I would rather they did not give up draft picks for a backup QB(kitna)
I truely believe henne was going continue to proggress this year, very sad this happened to the kid. Delhommes washed up and ive never been a fan of gerrard. Please dont give up draft picks for a backup. Let moore finish this year get devlin some practice while henne heals. theres a solid chance kitna wont be here next year anyway so lets not waste draft picks on him.
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we don;t need anymore of the Cowboys left overs!
All of them this far has got us nothing but worse! From Sporano and Parcells on down the line. Go with Moore and Devlin and see how it pans out. No more texas imports they suck just like the state does.
settle down there champ....
texas, its like a whole ‘nother country! i’ll agree, the cowboys suck, but its not the states fault. dallas just happens to be here. texas is awesome!
functioning alcoholic or classless buffoon?
"I think my liver is shot" - Texphinphan
"i still believe henne is the qb for the dolphins and so on......." - texphinphan drunk as shit.....
Sorry man!
Last time I was down there they tried to arrest us! And the place has no Mountains when you live in the mountains like I do you get lost with out them as reference points. No offense to you I just don’t like the place or Jerry Jones for that matter.
We will need all the draft picks went we sell the farm for Luck next year ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(Quarter of a Century and counting)
Yes to Kitna but can we send back Colombo and Burnett as part of the deal?
Always liked Kitna. Oldie but a goodie.
WTF
hapened to Brandon Marshall? All he does is not catch Touchdowns!
Moore gets reps
The bye week couldn’t have come at a better time. Moore will finally get to practice with the first team. If Sparano can fix the O.L. and Nolan can fix the “D”, the fins could start rolling. As for Andrew Luck, there are no quarantees in life. He could be the best QB ever, or the worst. We ‘ve got to go with what we have. Unfortunately, we have to depend on Sparano and Nolan to “fix” things. That’s scary!
If Moore ever wanted an opportunity this is it!
I agree T Warrior, Dolphins need to clean house with VP of Operations on down (including our scouting team). Get people that are proven commodities in their field and stop promoting from the same pool of left-over rejects that have’nt shown anything (Nolan is the exception). As for this draft, the QB position looks to be shaping up as a much better class than the last few years.
P.S.
I heard they are trying to bring back Tom Landry to help with the team. You can’t have enough ex-cowboys. Just because he passed away a number of years ago wont matter,
he’ll still be better than the 2 jokers we have know.
Sayance?
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
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I would rather
have Landry calling plays from the other side!
Tuna
I was at the game. The Vincent jackson TD is about as bad as it gets! he makes a circus catch, falls, gets up, shrugs off one of our weak ass DB’s and scores! It made the top play of the week on sportcenter! With 12 games left, I am scared to see whats ahead! I’m pretty sure things arent going to get any better!
Yeah, they also were showing it as the "Miami highlight."
(SIGHHHH)…
I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.
Kinda interesting
how this situation mirrors the situation with Drew Brees and his last year and a half in SD.
"Alllllriiiiiiight Miiiiiiiaaamiiiiii"--the late, great Jim Mandich
Except Brees starting doing very, very good in SD and they had a first round pick that was behind him.
I don’t see the similarities.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Amazing what planning does for an organization....
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"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
We plan.
We plan to pluck from the Cowboys’ roster as much as possible.
We’ll have Romo pretty soon.
I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.
lol
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
not to mention...
san diego knocked out pennington a couple of years ago too.
"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
by Phinphinatic on Oct 5, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad karma when the Dolphins play the Charges?
Just wierd….
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"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Henne's out, Moores in
So in effect…no change. Tough toenails.
I’ll revive my interest when Cowher takes Luck with our first pick of the 2012 draft.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
NY Jets fan base: Bringing insanity and inbreeding to your community since 1960.
Back on the Hennewagon. Chuggin' along with no spare...
by CanT0o on Oct 5, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha I wish that would be the scenario
I wish I was as optimistic of Cowher/Luck being here as you seem to be.
no change???
awesome attitude… way to discount what henne has done.
"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
by Phinphinatic on Oct 5, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And what that exactly?
way to discount what henne has done.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
to ignore that Henne has improved and that with a little more help from..
our start receiver, we could looking at a winning record.
"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
by Phinphinatic on Oct 5, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My attitude is not Henne's problem
…Being 28th in the league in completion percentage is Henne’s problem.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
NY Jets fan base: Bringing insanity and inbreeding to your community since 1960.
Back on the Hennewagon. Chuggin' along with no spare...
You need reviving? I'm still a fan and wish wins for the Dolphins.
If they win out, they’d be 12-4.
Possible? Yes.
Probable? No.
Fickle fans come out like cockroaches in Florida when the lights go out.
Which one is you?
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
i'm the third one to the left
beedy eyed little bastage i am
by scrappy the wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm the one flipping off Tony.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
NY Jets fan base: Bringing insanity and inbreeding to your community since 1960.
Back on the Hennewagon. Chuggin' along with no spare...
Who is Matt Moore?
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Didn't he just pitch for the Rays?
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Underdogs
The Bye week is a 4 point favorite against us. Why is everyone complaining? This helps the “Suck for Luck” movement- right. I do feel bad for Henne though. Even though you couldn’t tell by results, at least he was playing with effort and energy. Just a shame that it takes more than energy and effort to win most times. Like talent, accuracy, decision-making, etc.
Power plays, if any can remember that i asked for deboil to save Henne's life. by using the screen a tad more!
Well know i’m asking the same of Moore, if we are ever to be world beaters we are gonna haft to learn how to incorperate a screen or two at any time on the field!
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by wild zion beaver on Oct 5, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
Hoping Henne gets his shoulder right
I’m kind of bummed Henne didn’t get a chance to shut people up. Regardless of how poorly this team has played he seemed to have himself prepared and motivated each game.
He did get his chance.
Some people just won’t shut up no matter what.
It's too early to assume
We’re headed for Andrew Luck. You watch, we will win 5 or 6 of our last 12 just to get our draft status low enough to miss out on a stud QB. I simply intend to enjoy the rest of the season as best I can and see how things fall.
by blackadder_650 on Oct 5, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
^^^ this ^^^
way too early – let’s start talking draft in week 13-14-15
by scrappy the wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We should still be in position to get a quality QB
Luck is the goal, the surest option but not the only option.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 5, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed..!
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
name 3 good QB's that are coming out besides Luck
i want to research them
by scrappy the wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a few QB's with a chance to be great.
Andrew Luck, Nick Foles, Robert Griffen III, Kirk Cousins and Matt Barkely. In that order.
Landry Jones anywhere?
I’d go Jones, Barkley, and Griffin.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Really shoudn't change the season too much
Its debatable how much better Henne is then Moore. I am thinking we are looking at about the same season we were before Henne was injured. I certainly didn’t see any drop off when Moore entered the game.
Bingo
I’m thinking he’ll leave the Dolphins, prolly get picked up by Belichick & take over for Brady – he’ll win a Super Bowl with another team before he does in Miami.
Whoa..hold on, pal
He’s not winning any Super Bowls. I just think he can be a dependable backup…like Charlie Batch is.
Don't be so sure
A lot of folks I know didn’t think too much of Wes Welker way back when, but he got on a team that actually knows how to best utilize his skills. Same thing could happen to Henne.
Shit!
Now we will probably win a few games XD
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QBs going down
Is it me or does it seem today’s QB is more fragile. The bigger these guys get, the bigger they fall and get hurt. Henne went down like so many players, yet ends up out of the game for the year. Seems fragile to me.
The position has changed
QBs are throwing more passes than ever before and more mobile QBs are playing today, rushing the ball more often as well. They’re opening themselves to be hit more often.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
dang
you guys can’t catch a break. You know it’s bad when even a Jet fan starts feeling sorry for what’s going on. Tough break for Henne, but maybe it is best to blow everything up for both the fins and Chad. Good luck the rest of the way (well not the next game obviously).
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Sad Sad Sad
If Henne is out for this season he only can get a backup role for next season (and can be in other team)… If the injury was confirmed hope to take Delvin for practice squad and give a shot with the Team
Moore could do a decent job with miami offense… only if all other players start to play at his real level… the group of players do not support Henne has no excuses to stay play bad…
Henne as FF QB
Quite the recipe for success. Hope you have super RBs and wideouts.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
NY Jets fan base: Bringing insanity and inbreeding to your community since 1960.
Back on the Hennewagon. Chuggin' along with no spare...
Henne could stay even with Luck
Couldn’t he just be a superb back-up?
If we don’t get Luck, Henne was just starting to improve… I strongly believe that with some mediocre coaching instead of horrendous coaching, Henne could run a very strong offense.
The worst case scenario would be to go 0-13, and win our final three games just so that we barely miss out on the 2-14 Rams/Colts/Chiefs/Vikings for the first overall pick, and have Sparano cheer his brains out and spontaneously combust as we kick the GW field goal on the final play of the regular season to ensure that we become 3-13 instead of 2-14.
"It was good to get banged and give a few bangs." - Jonathan Cheechoo
I think was teh Ideal scenario
keep Henne as backup of Luck… and meybe in the first season Henne could be the starter until Luck learn the offense
but new HC means new QB… and almost always the old QB was traded or released.
Definitely not a good idea!
Sorry, Henne had a GREAT opportunity to learn from one of the most accurate passers in the game (Pennington!). The coaching staff decided that the future of this team was Henne’s but the game was too big for him! We need a proven QB that can start and WIN for the next 4 years that our rookie can sit and learn from. Not one that will pass on his bad habits!
This must make Devlin feel wonderful.
Hey Pat, we need a backup and the only qualifications are: breathing. We don’t care about wins or production at this point.
Do you have David Garrard’s phone number?
Confused
I still don’t understand how QB’s don’t work out and build muscle like other NFL players. I think should’ve Henne been hittin’ some weights in the offseason, his shoulder wouldn’t have collapsed like it did. Take Tebow for example, the dude is built like a Linebacker and he’s probably stronger than some of ‘em. I don’t know if he’s ever been injured in his career, either.
by Dolfan2006 on Oct 5, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He just fell weird.
Same way you can break your neck in a little fender bender. And they try not to bulk up the arms and shoulders because it limits their arm movement.
Neither can Jet fans
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 5, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bart Scott? Really?
Has there ever been a mouthier LB who averaged 2 1/2 tackles a game? Funny how he’s just not the same without dudes named “Lewis” & “Suggs” playing at his side. I’m sooooo looking forward to his next appearance on PTI.
Is that his sister in the small pic?
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"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
lmfao
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 5, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like her smile, I'll trade you a peach cobler desert fer her!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet! Captain beem me abord the luckmobil!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 5, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel Bad for Henne
I thought he’d do OK this year…sucks to get knocked out on a bungled play…although you would think a professional athelete would know how to fall and not hurt themselves…
No one has mentioned Carson Palmer yet….I wonder if this might stir things up in Cincy a bit…they have not changed their opinion of Palmer…but if we could get him out of ‘retirement’ for the rest of the season…might help. Failing that, a game or two with Moore, then a game or two with Devlin wouldn’t be bad…see what these guys really have to offer.
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Carson Palmer?
He is not listed as retired and has not filed his retirement papers. Until he does, he’s still under contract to play for the Bengals. But I agree that a 2nd rnd pick would get this done and would be ths perfect mentor for our 2nd string QB, whether it be Luck or Henne.
Palmer
Even if he did file retirement papers, he would still belong to Cincy if he chose to come back out of retirement. There is little Palmer could do for us this year and a 2nd round pick is way too much to give up for him, especially since we could target a high ranking 1st round pick in this year’s draft.
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2nd rnd pick
And would give us a much better option at QB than Orton or even Romo for that matter and how often do you get that in the 2nd rnd of a draft? Maybe you could offer a 3rd that converts to a 2nd based on team standing at the end of the season or give a 2nd and get back a 3rd or 4th pick. Also a player has to file retirement papers by a deadline. I think that deadline is passed and so if he was to file by next season, means he would have to sit out another year to get out of his contract.
He's 32 years old.
2nd and 3rd round are too high right now. Maybe if he was all we needed I would be for it. Retirement papers mean nothing. The Bengals would have to release Palmer from the Reserve/Retired list to trade him. You don’t just sit for one year and you’re free to sign anywhere. He could come back now and be traded, but he won’t.
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Hmmm.
Would seem to me that a team would not keep that player listed on their roster for the year that player is considered “retired” especially since the league would have to “accept” his application for retirement and yes he must remain retired for that minimum period without recieving any money. Barry Sanders retired with 2 years left on his contract and the following year was eligible to sign with any team he wanted (Dolphins were one of the teams trying to sign him!). He just chose not to. Ricky Williams retired and actually could have signed with another team after the 1 year, had he not already been paid for those years. Hence, he had to come back and play or pay back the money as court ordered. Carson Palmer has not received any money for the upcoming years (according to statements I have read). If Palmer is not available THIS coming year the point is moot. If the Bengals are unwilling to deal him the point is moot. But my argument is this guy, if available, would allow a guy like Luck to sit and learn for the next three years (making Palmer a young 35yr old with trade value) if necessary. We have to understand a team is built for success for today and more so for tomorrow and there are no quick fixes, only hard choices.
Palmer and the lists
Palmer is on the Reserve/Did Not Report list. He doesn’t count against the roster and is not paid. When a player enters the Reserve/Retired list, they are still owned by the team until they’re released. The Giants had to release Tiki Barber from the list earlier this year when he applied for reinstatement. They still held his rights because of his status. Likewise, the Jets had to release Favre from the Reserve/Retired list before he signed with Minnesota. When Deion was released, he decided to retire. Just in case, the Chargers claimed him off waivers. They did it to block Oakland from claiming him for the postseason and kept him in case he ever came out of retirement so they’d have first dibs. He never came back.
Palmer is not available next year either unless he shows up and forces the Bengals to release him.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Teams also don't pay players on the reserve/retired list
But that is why people think Palmer will come back next year and force the Bengals hand. They would have to accept him back, trade him, or release him. That is why NYG released Tiki in August.
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realistically only 3 games will be "should" wins
Broncos, Chiefs and Redskins. Broncos and Redskins are home games so they are iffy based on the home record. Lets say they split those and win the road game….2-14. Should be bad enough for a 1-3 pick. Beating the Chiefs may lose Luck for them but there are other good QB’s coming out too.
How pathetic to be thinking about the ‘12 draft in early Oct. Truth be told I was thinking about it in Sept. I’m tired of walking out of the stadium after a loss listening to the opposing fans celebrate.
Henne
I like Henne, and if his season is over, i will feel bad for him, but then he can come back next year and compete. I like his arm strength.
Moore and that kid Devlin on the practice squad needs a chance.
i have been a Dolphin Fan since 1973, and long for another championship seasons.
I see we model after other teams that have success, to bring in a coach with a winning record to win. Winning in the NFL is tough, we need a guy who can find talent and another guy who can coach the talent. I do respect our head coach and our general manager, and whatever needs to be done, it can wait till the season is over. Not trade our picks and destroy our future. From Wannstad to Cameron, then Saben, each made a professional decisons that decided there future. Look who is coaching the bills we had him and he interviewed for our Head coach if my memory serves me correct!! It takes Talent, Knowledge and Time to develop a winner with some veterans in locker room to provide leadership. We ARE the Miami Dolphins….we have our own tradition…..17-0….
I am sick of the patriots, but i respect them and there coach, jets yuck because they hate us feeling is mutual, the bills are hungrey ( Marino and Kelly in the days was the big game that decided the AFC EAST). We as Dol-Fans need to be patient And Hope Ross finds a Professional football guy with advice on what to do…I personnally like Wolf from the Packers.(retired) or Consult Don Shula!! …..but he is the owner i am just a fan that spends lots dollars buying Dolphin items, supporting my team.
GO Aqua and Orange……..
I like Henne, he has proven
that he can start in the NFL. But he can’t lead this team to the Super Bowl. I risk sounding like a horrible fan, but I’m glad that Henne might be out because that brings the Dolphins closer to winning the coveted Luck sweepstakes. Let Moore or Delvin start games, give practice squad players a chance to prove themselves and give bench players valuable game-time experience.
This season will be a success if the Dolphins land the #1 pick and in the process uncover some great players who under normal circumstances wouldn’t land starting time.
I really do feel bad for him
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