Suck For Luck - Could Andrew Luck Make Draft Day Power Play?
by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 9:30 AM EDT
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It's a possibility - could consensus 2012 number one overall pick Andrew Luck make a draft day power play, similar to Eli Manning or John Elway? Could a team lose enough games to land Luck, only to have him refuse to sign with that team? Could Luck decide he doesn't want to play for whichever team finds itself picking first, and decide to stay at Stanford for his last year of eligibility?
Yes. Yes. And Yes.
The rumors are starting to heat up that Luck could be setting up to following in Manning and Elway's shoes, and pick where he wants to play. This could be dreadful news for the fan bases in Indianapolis, Denver, and right here in Miami. Many Dolphins fans have fully embraced the "Suck for Luck" campaign, and a power play by Luck could break many hearts around South Beach.
But, would Luck do that?
According to Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News, Luck isn't the type of person to pull a power play.
"He's not Eli Manning or John Elway. He's as good or better, but he's not going to hold the NFL hostage-at least, that's the way I see it," Kawakami writes.
But, that hasn't stopped the rumors. And, that's not what Albert Breer of NFL.com has been saying.
"This well could be Eli Manning in 2004, or John Elway in 1983, if the Luck camp doesn't like the situation the highest picking team presents."
The key in all of this is not Andrew Luck, but rather Oliver Luck, Andrew's father. The elder Luck is a former NFL quarterback, having played for the Houston Oilers from 1982 to 1986. He currently serves as the athletic directors for West Virginia University. And, he realizes that they hold the power in this situation. And, given the way the Luck family have carefully factored everything into every decision they make with regards to Andrew's future, it's not surprising this is a possibility.
"Absolutely. I've heard that for the last two years,"one college scout told Breer. "There's no question that it could be a Manning thing all over again."
According to Breer, situations like this are what this particular scout is paid to figure out.
"We talked about this before (Luck's sophomore) season started," said the scout. "Some people know the dad well, and the hands-on approach he has. In Andrew's defense, he seems pretty in control of everything. So I could see it being a mutual decision. And if he can control it, why play behind a (crappy) offensive line, or in a bad situation? He's gonna have that control. If he doesn't like the team there, all he has to do is voice that, and there'll be teams looking to trade up.
"The Luck camp has a ton of firepower here. More than anyone I can remember."
Alex Marvin, Senior NFL writer for FoxSports.com, recently spoke on the Joe Rose show on 560 WQAM in Miami. During their 10-minute conversation, Marvin ripped on the Dolphins and their 2011 season, but really hit on the Andrew Luck situation.
"There's no guarantees that Andrew Luck would even come to the Dolphins, anyway. And, I'm being serious when I say that. He controls his fate. If the Miami Dolphins have the first pick, and he's not happy with what the administration is here, if he's not going to be happy with who his head coach is, or what direction this franchise is headed, I can see this guy, really easily doing a Peyton Manning, an Eli Manning, trying to go ahead and control his fate in the draft."
When Rose asked Marvin if he could see the Lucks making a power play, Marvin responded, "Absolutely...I could very easily see that happening going forward."
Even as fans try to find the silver lining in what has become a miserable season, the rumors are starting that it may not be silver at all. It just may be more difficulty in finally landing the franchise quarterback to replace Dan Marino - 12 years after he retired.
And, suddenly, Suck for Luck, may be back to just sucking.
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The fins would be just fine with Landry Jones too, Luck isn’t the only QB coming out
This owner controls the direction of probability in landing Luck
If Ross can go forward decisively and clean house; new GM new HC and revamp his current thinking, i.e. selling shares to minor celebs, creating a party atmosphere at Sunlife and put his efforts into building a serious contender in the next couple seasons, I think Luck would change his opinion about the Dolphins and be a willing participant in the Big Turnaround.
No premier player eligible for next years draft would want to be drafted by the Dolphins at this time given our current state of buffoonery.
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are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
NY Jets fan base: Bringing insanity and inbreeding to your community since 1960.
Back on the Hennewagon. Chuggin' along with no spare...
Agreed 100%
Sparano and Ireland GOT TO GO!!
They have destroyed this great franchise!
Sparano is supposed to be an offensive line GURU. But like Cam Cam before him is clearly inept as a head coach. The ONLY thing I can envision worse than Sucking for Luck is Sucking for Luck and remaining Lousy with Tony!!
I am really tired of being frustrated by this team!!
Our destiny is with Steven Ross.IMHO, it is way past the time to dump TS. Hire a “interim coach” . This way potential applicants know your serious about getting a new coach. Right now Steven Ross, clearly, is not considered to be a owner coaches want to work with.
This has nothing to do with the state of the Dolphins.
i.e. selling shares to minor celebs, creating a party atmosphere at Sunlife and put his efforts into building a serious contender in the next couple seasons,
Ross’ focus is on the business of owning a professional football team. Making the Dolphins games fun for the fans is something he should be doing. Do you want him involved in the day to day decisions of football? I sure as hell don’t. That is why he needs to hire someone to do that. Remember when he bought the team, the Dolphins already had the genius Parcells in place to take care of the football operations.
Whoever he hires to run the football team, will be good. Then all he has to do is get out of the way and let them do their job. Once the football team is good, nobody will care about the celeb owners and party atmosphere.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
by ct1361 on Oct 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well said ct.
The argument that somehow Serena Williams is screwing up the team, I’ve never understood.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glad someone has brought this up
Ross is a businessman and is looking to divest his interest to lower his risk in the team.
He left the football up to the guys that Heizenger left, they failed. Ross is concentrating on reaching out to the types that normally would not attend a game and trying to get people in seats the way he knows how. He’s counting on the football operations to field a product that compliments what he wants to do.
I could see complaining if the team ended up like the Lakers. A bunch of poser fans on their phones during the game while the diehard fans can’t afford to get in.
I think Ross is frustrated at the rules in even firing these clowns. Fire them now and the wrong impression would be sent to potential big names and he’ll still be on the hook for Sparano and Ireland’s salaries. Plus, there are more options after the season ends.
Agreed
No need to grasp at straws, seeking answers in celebrity owners. We have clear issues starting with coaching.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Oct 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Has hell frozen over?
For the first time in what feels like forever I agree with you 100%. Well said! rec
I'm not too worried about it.
It’s all worried speculation more than rumors. In the worst case scenario, if Miami has #1 and Luck refuses to play, we trade him for a multitude of picks like SD did with Eli.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Exactly
No one has a scrap of evidence for this.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Oct 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To be honest...
I actually think the Phins might be the best situation for him among teams that can get the first pick. We already have a franchise LT, C, a #1 receiver, a slot receiver, a quality RB, and some really good pieces on D (granted the D hasn’t been playing well). With a new Coach, FO, and a few offensive inprovements, I think we are a pretty good situation with better players than a typical team drafting with the #1 pick. Really the only competition I see that can get this pick from us is the Colts. I dont think Luck would view that as a good situation for him because he is ready to play now, but if the Colts drafted him, he would sit for a few years…
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"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Even if he pulls a power play...
I don’t see why he would pull one to avoid ending up in Miami. He’s a Stanford kid, so he’s clearly smart enough to know that, no matter what he does, he’s going to a bad team. Good teams don’t need him – it’s not like the Packers or Ravens are going to give everything away to get him, they already have their QBs. And, as far as bad teams go, Miami’s not a terrible place to land. He’ll have the game’s best LT protecting his blind side and a very good young C snapping him the ball. He’ll have a young back in Daniel Thomas who can eat the clock and gain 3-4 yards per carry. And, although Marshall has sucked the big one in the end zone this year, there are worse security blankets out there for a young QB. And there are worse slot WRs than Bess. Add to that the national exposure that Miami brings and a potential coach named Cowher or Fisher, and I don’t see why he’d want to go to some other bad team.
this point is a great one thanks. the fact is, while AL could make a power play, if you are the luck braintrust, it may really not
make sense. he doesn’t know at all what will happen next year; there could be a less desirable set of destinations for him at that time. he needs to think about possible injury in another stanford season. he will have waited another whole year with loss of training and loss of potental earnings. power play doesn’t ensure he goes where he wants, the variables can be problematic. he might want to power play into san fran with his old coach, but things may go sideways. i have a friend who is a vikings fan and he says the vike fans are starting to talk, in many ways, just like we are,, about getting luck as a savior for another proud traditional program.
we may not get him but this appears to be a season where it would be worth a try. it would be attractive for luck, also, to know he is coming into a team with a new set of bosses, up and down the line. go fins!
a white sports coat and a pink crustacean
Anything could happen
But again, why would he refuse Miami. We have been a storied franchise, we have a great climate, and are a major media market. We’re not located in the armpit-of-America (i.e. Buffalo). Also, it’s not like the Luck family has ties to a specific location (i.e. growing up on the West Coast). The Luck family lived for years in Europe then moved to Houston later on. His father currently is the Athletic Director at West Virginia. Throw in the rookie salary cap situation, where NOBODY can throw more money post-draft and this article really is nothing but scaremongering fantasy.
Mosul, anything can happen. We know you abhor this whole S4L situation, and are trying to create a wedge issue for fans to gravitate against it, but there’s nothing here man. Could Luck pull of an Elway or Eli Manning? Sure, anything’s possible. But when you actually think about it, it doesnt make sense on any level.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I've never once said I abhor the S4L
Am I against it because I still want to root for my team to win every week? Yes. But, I understand why people feel the way they do.
And, it’s not like I went out and made up a fantasy situation just to post this. Big name guys from around the NFL and national media are already talking about this. That’s why it’s posted. Not to “create a wedge issue for fans to gravitate against it.”
If the media is talking about this, I didn’t create anything. I just made a story.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And, it’s not like I went out and made up a fantasy situation just to post this. Big name guys from around the NFL and national media are already talking about this. That’s why it’s posted. Not to "create a wedge issue for fans to gravitate against it."
Ok, fair enough. Other people are talking about it so you are too – my language was excessive my bad. But it seems like the Luck articles you’re posting is constantly reflecting a negative slant. Look, the S4L’ers are NOT rooting against the team per se, but are rooting for change. I want Miami to win, but am not disappointed when they lose because of this situation. I don’t know why we keep having these pro-Luck anti-Luck debates, and why 1 side wants to foise their opinion on the other in this regard.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I'm posting the stories that are coming up.
If Jason Taylor comes out next week and says “You know what, I love the S4L campaign and think everyone should be on board,” I’ll post that too. But, the players are saying they hate it. I’ve made stories about what they are saying.
Both sides of the debate are bad about forcing their opinions on others. The “winning” camp calls the S4L camp bad fans for wanting to “see the team lose,” while S4L’s get upset when guys want to see the Dolphins win 5-6-7 games, because “you don’t hold anyone accountable” and “just to see another year of mediocrity.”
I agree, it’s bad. But, it’s the story right now.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok fair enough
All excellent points. I just seems like the so called “S4L’ers” feel the need to defend themselves for not being good fans, and this gets annoying. People forget that there’s no 1 way to root for your team; it’s a personal thing. Depending on individual, everybody has a different way to express their frustration. Some like to look ahead while others are immersed in the day-to-day comings of the team. Nobody should be foisting their opinions on others in regards to how to vent their disappointment.
People forget this – Peace.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
the 'story' is that fin fans found a catchy phrase that started before the season and has now gotten more serious
since we have a goose egg on the wrong side of our record. s4l-ers aren’t passionate or devout about losing, but use the phrase to represent an attitude about the team this year.
the players obviously don’t like suck for luck and as professionals want nothing to do with it.
that players react to s4l when media ask them about it is not surprising. but it is really a false or fake or ‘pseudo’ issue or ‘debate’ … why not say that?! probably it gets more web traffic in a dud season to play it as a ‘story?’
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You think Luck would rather end up in Jacksonville, Minnesota or Kansas City?
Geez, I think Luck would consider himself extremely fortunate to end up in Miami, considering the alternatives. Major media market, awesome climate, owner who can shell out Top Dollar in subsequent contracts, devoted fanbase and a team located in the deep south relatively close to Texas. Honestly, I’m not getting this article at all.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Fan base that in weeks 4-6 decided they would rather see their team lose than win.
Yep, I think that would be enough for a prospect, with the power, to say, no thanks. Send me somewhere else.
Especially one who has already come out and said he doesn’t like the S4L campaign.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that Mosul
Whoever is picking #1 is going to have a pissed-off fan base. We just happen to be vocal because it’s been a LONG TIME COMING. I highly doubt Luck would shaft Miami just because there’s been a little infighting from the fans. Luck hasn’t been a part of that, and better yet, he could participate in it’s revitalization.
At the end of the day, there’s going to be some level of discord with any team bad enough to own the worst record in football. And Miami is a very desirable place to play.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Very, very true.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Fan base that in weeks 4-6 decided they would rather see their team lose than win.
And what makes you think the S4L fan base thinks this? It’s just ONE SIDE of the fan base – not the controlling element. Last I checked, by The Phinsider’s OWN POLL, the S4L camp was only 54% of the fan base – hardly a condemning majority. On any deeply unsuccessful team, you’ll always have polarized elements in different camps. At least the fan base cares.
I don’t see any of this to be particularly unusual, except I agree there’s a deeper sense of frustration here in Miami than normally seen..
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
True.
But, a majority is a majority….
I agree that we will have polarized elements, and I am not saying that it’s something like 99% of the fan base wants to lose. But, we are on the inside. We see the debate. All someone outside of the fan base sees right now is how the Miami Dolphins’ fans want to tank the season for Andrew Luck.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
even if we know its not the entire fanbase that is on the bandwagon, all that is portrayed is how we want to tank to get him. Add that to the fact that we had fans go to a practice and openly boo our starting QB and chant for a different guy and we are painted in a very bad light. He looking at us could just see a team where if he goes there and has some struggles they will turn on him. A team where if he does not become Marino everyone would hate him. That puts alot of pressure on a kid and I could see why he may develop doubts about coming here. Even if thats not how we really are its all about how we are portrayed.
That assumes Miami is the only place known for Suck for Luck
Which isn’t true
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Which makes our fanbase no different than the others
Suck for Luck is not only a Miami thing. Only our players have responded to it.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Oct 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SFL has been in more places than Miami
Even some Indy fans want to “Suck for Luck.” I just saw a Vikings fan saying “please win Miami.”
Dolphins aren’t the only ones. Luck is going to whoever drafts him and pays his millions. Also, don’t think Luck is reading any of these fan sites and such.
For us it seems like SFL is bigger here because we’re always on Dolphins sites. I just browsed some other sites and they’re talking about Luck as well. On Facebook there are “Suck for Luck” pages for the Seahawks, Broncos & Chiefs as well.
Which puts us in the same boat as minnesota, indianapolis, etc.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Oct 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As for where he might want to go....
Why not make the play to go to SF? Harbaugh is there as the coach, they are looking good this year, and no one is sold on Alex Smith.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He won't demand SF because they way things are going, SF won't have the draft firepower to make a trade.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Whaaa?
Why would he want to go to SF. The team is 5-1 and WILL make the playoffs. They will be picking way down in the 1st round – you think their FO would completely gut their hole draft and then some to trade up for Luck? Besides, Alex Smith curently owns a 95 QB rating and they have Colin Kaepernick, who IS an exciting upper-echelon type QB prospect (even if Im the only person around here who seems to think so).
There’s just no way SF is interested in trading their whole draft+ after a breakout season, whcih has been precipitated by better QB play. Also, that connection with Harbaugh is over rated. I mean, Luck hasnt skipped a beat with harbaugh leaving this year. Luck is a self made man dont know why he needs Harbaugh at this point .
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
The ONLY REASON I believe LUCK might do this is if:
TONY SPARANO IS THE COACH!!!
You think if given the option between South Beach or Indianapolis or kansas City, he would want to go there????
1) there is rookie pay scale
2) all teams with top 5 draft picks are going to Suck
3) Having a REAL QB, and a REAL COACH should dramatically change this team ala Jim Harbaugh in SF
4) There is absolutely no reason imaginable for him to want to stay on College
5) This is all media BS to try to counter the Suck for Luck Movement!!
Suck 4 Luck evolved because fans are tired of being Lousy with TOnee and Henneee!!!
Suck 4 Luck evolved because fans are tired of being Lousy with TOnee and Henneee!!!
Suck 4 Luck evolved because fans are tired of being Lousy with TOnee, Henneee and Ireland!!!
FIFY
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Ireland has got to go also
However, Ireland doesn’t rhyme with Toneee, Heneee and LOUSY!!!
If I was Andrew Luck, I would absolutely try to pick the team that I want to play for.
IMO, with the rookie salary cap in place, top flight college QB’s that are considered #1 overal draft picks would be foolish not to try to find the best situation for themselves. This is the consequence of the rookie cap. There is very little difference in guaranteed money between the top 5 picks now.
I will say this though. Luck would be foolish to play in Denver for John Fox. Fox is an old school, run first coach. Why would he want to play in that system?
He would also be foolish to play in Indy if Peyton Manning is there. I wouldn’t want to sit for a year or two if I were him, not with the success of Cam Newton and Andy Dalton starting right away. Those are years that he will never get back.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
What worries me is the love affair with Bill Cowher on the site right now.
I like Cowher, and think he is a good coach, but I don’t think he’s the right fit for us.
After all, here are his starting QBs:
Neil O’Donnel
Bubby Brister
Mike Tomczak
Jim Miller
Kordell Stewart
Kent Graham
Tommy Maddox
Ben Roethlisberger
Charlie Batch
Not a whole lot in there that screams, I’m a pass first coach.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And, to be fair, the other big name coach people like is Jeff Fisher:
Billy Joe Tolliver
Cody Carlson
Bucky Richardson
Chris Chandler
Steve McNair
Will Furrer
Neil O’Donnell
Billy Volek
Matt Mauck
Vince Young
Kerry Collins
Rusty Smith
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
This is an erroneous argument
Superbowl caliber teams, top defenses, and well managed organizations. Elite QBs are rare, Dan Marinos don’t happen every draft, so throwing out a million names just proves the point even more.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties. INTERCEPTION!
I agree. Cowher is way down on my list of potential coaching candidates. So is Fisher.
I want someone with an offensive background. My two favorite, big name, ex-coaches that have won a Super Bowl are Jon Gruden and Brian Billick. Gruden is an offensive genius that should have gone to the Super Bowl with the Raiders (tuck rule) on a team he built with a journeyman QB and a dynamic offense. What he did at TB with Johnson, winning a Super Bowl is an amazing job.
Billick was an offensive genius in Minnesota. That is what got him the Ravens job. He had to adjust his philosophy to the team that he had.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I like Billick. I think that's a good choice.
I’m happy that Finhead83 is doing the “Coaching Candidates” posts, because I think that will bring up some guys we may not know very well.
I think a young, up and coming, offensive coach, either a coordinator or a college coach, might be the way to go.
I don’t think Gruden is going to leave ESPN this year, so Billick might be the best, offensive, former NFL coach avaialble.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally with u..
I will go with the OC of Carolina, GB, NO and even Bufalo(lol), but the way to go is with new blood and new ideas, but have to be a strong coach with the balls to sit anyone that is underperforming, no matter who he is or his contract.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(Quarter of a Century and counting)
I don't want a college coach. College coaches fail big time in the NFL. Harbaugh is an exception for one year.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I love listening to Gruden
and he knows offense. But his only successes have come with veteran QBs who already were pretty much fully developed, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon and to a lesser extent Jeff Garcia. The times he had young QBs that he had to develop to run his offense, those offenses sucked miserably. I don’t want Gruden anywhere near a developing franchise QB if I am the one signing the paychecks. Luck might be developed enough to get over this hurdle of Gruden’s, but I wouldn’t like to see the Dolphins risk it. All just my opinion of course.
What I like about Cowher
Is that even in your list of not-so-impressive QBs, Cowher went to the Super Bowl with Neil O’Donnel. Also consistent playoff contender with him. Consistently in the playoffs and competitive with Cordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox. Whenever Batch had to step in for a Cowher team, they didn’t lose a whole lot. Brought along Roethlisberger just fine, AND won a Super Bowl with a young QB way before anyone thought Big Ben would be ready. Sure Big Ben had a shitty SB, but he was solid and poised in the playoffs that got them there.
And his whole career in Pittsburgh, Cowher consistently put together solid all around teams who could throw or run and played great D. Known specifically for developing young talent and getting them competitive before their salaries escalated and were let go to other teams, all the while recycling cheaper, new young talent all over again and staying competitive.
The talent that anyone touching Pittsburgh has been able to find in the draft, no matter their draft position, is really only matched by New England. A LOT of that ability has Cowher’s fingerprints all over it.
The guy was simply great at developing young and/or passed over talent. Consistently fielded very competitive football teams. His teams were always ready to compete and disciplined. Willing to try new things offensively based on the talent he had at any given time. And from my view in the cheap seats, he always had his teams motivated to play for him.
The Dolphins could do a LOT worse than Cowher.
He plays in a run first system now. He may like where he is right now, which actually seems to be the case.
Isn’t your stance on him playing in Indy contradictory to your stance on him picking the best place to play? Indy has a great system for a smart QB and an established offense built around this system. If Luck thinks that Indy has the best opportunity cost of living in Indiana and being the best place to play, why shouldn’t he go there? (Miami isn’t always the best place to live. For example, I’ve spent many winters up north as a child and love the snow more than S. FL summers)
The choices you make dictate the life you lead. -Greydanus. Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost. Leading the fighter escort of SU-47s for the Lindley Bandwagon. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong for 2012 Bandwagon "pm striker king"- WZB. Good, cheap FA upgrades out there: Gurode, E. Royster, J. KirkPatrick, K. O'Dowd, D. Thomas. Dolphins not pulling their weight: J. Jerry, I. Alama-Francis, M. Columbo.
Fester on this
South Florida women… or Indiana women.
South Florida weather… or Indiana weather.
South Florida beaches… or Indiana no beaches.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties. INTERCEPTION!
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It isn’t women in FL vs. ID women, it is a comparison of competition between men over attractive women. In a population, there will always be the very attractive women and not-so-attractive women. What needs to be taken into account is hotness of men on average vs. hotness of women on average. This will tell you the amount of competition over attractive women. Although, Luck doesn’t need to worry about this; as he will always have the best shot at the girl.
Weather preference is a matter of personal or medicinal preference. Luck is perfectly healthy, so he can play anywhere in that respect. I personally like cold winters and hate hot summers, someone else may feel differently. I do not know what Luck likes, but he will need to love the hot summers for TC. He has lived in Germany, which has very cold winters and is a place where people skinny dip in ice cold water for fun, and lives in sunny California. Who knows what he likes.
You have beaches, but then you have mountains and hills. I prefer a mountainous terrain over a flat one. Luck will have to decide this for himself. Although he did live in Germany, which has many mountainous terrains.
The choices you make dictate the life you lead. -Greydanus. Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost. Leading the fighter escort of SU-47s for the Lindley Bandwagon. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong for 2012 Bandwagon "pm striker king"- WZB. Good, cheap FA upgrades out there: Gurode, E. Royster, J. KirkPatrick, K. O'Dowd, D. Thomas. Dolphins not pulling their weight: J. Jerry, I. Alama-Francis, M. Columbo.
I think just the opposite. Indy would be the worst place for him to go, IMO.
My point is that why would he choose to be on the bench for a couple of years? If I am Luck, I want to be the best of all time. To do that, to get records and rings, I need to play right away, just like Peyton did. I wouldn’t want to waste 2 or 3 years. That’s 10,000 – 12,000 yards and God knows how many TD’s that I will never get back.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
But if you go to a bad team that will give a QB no shot at all of those yards, you might be only missing
a season or two worth of yards and TDs. Not to mention that a bad team gives a prospect the worst chance of making it in the league; which is more important to Luck right now than breaking records.
The choices you make dictate the life you lead. -Greydanus. Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost. Leading the fighter escort of SU-47s for the Lindley Bandwagon. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong for 2012 Bandwagon "pm striker king"- WZB. Good, cheap FA upgrades out there: Gurode, E. Royster, J. KirkPatrick, K. O'Dowd, D. Thomas. Dolphins not pulling their weight: J. Jerry, I. Alama-Francis, M. Columbo.
But Indy isn't a good team. If they were we wouldn't be having this discussion. They are only good because of Manning.
Newton is putting up numbers on a bad team. Dalton is putting up numbers on a bad team.
No top flight college QB is going to want to go to a team to sit on the bench and “learn”. If Luck wants to do that, then I wouldn’t want him on my team. I would want a QB that wants to play now.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Newton is throwing more INTs than TDs and has a QB RTG under 80 right now. Which are not good numbers.
Also, he is throwing to has-beens and a poor line.
Indy has 3 very good WRs and one great TE. He would have plenty of weapons and if you give Luck a RT, he will have protection.
Which team can he put up more points and yards with in a shorter amount of time? Indy, clearly.
Indy is an example, Minnesota is a top QB’s heaven. They have many good WRs and a top end HB. Also, their line is better than average.
Bills are a team that is intriguing. They have a great pass D and have a bunch of talents on O that are not big names, but get it done week in and week out.
The Cowboys and Eagles could be looking for a new QB after this season as well and might be in position to move up to get him.
The Raiders and Chiefs might also be in the hunt for a new QB. Not that they will be near Luck range.
The choices you make dictate the life you lead. -Greydanus. Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost. Leading the fighter escort of SU-47s for the Lindley Bandwagon. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong for 2012 Bandwagon "pm striker king"- WZB. Good, cheap FA upgrades out there: Gurode, E. Royster, J. KirkPatrick, K. O'Dowd, D. Thomas. Dolphins not pulling their weight: J. Jerry, I. Alama-Francis, M. Columbo.
I got distracted halfway through, because I wanted to know what other teams need new QBs
other than the obvious ones.
The choices you make dictate the life you lead. -Greydanus. Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost. Leading the fighter escort of SU-47s for the Lindley Bandwagon. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong for 2012 Bandwagon "pm striker king"- WZB. Good, cheap FA upgrades out there: Gurode, E. Royster, J. KirkPatrick, K. O'Dowd, D. Thomas. Dolphins not pulling their weight: J. Jerry, I. Alama-Francis, M. Columbo.
there's no use in worrying about this right now.
but this raises a broader point about the “suck for luck” thing that really bothers me. if we end up going 1-15 and getting the number 1 pick, and luck forces his way to another team, i can already hear the jets fans saying “ahah you stupid miami fans, you rooted all year for your team to lose and now you don’t even get luck anyway.”
let me explain something very simple to everyone out there. there is no “suck for luck” campaign. the players and coaches want to win. what the fans want is completely irrelevant – we just watch the games, and have to live with whatever happens. It’s not like we the fans are able to make a conscious decision to give up this year to get luck. if we were able to make that decision, and it came back to bite us in the end, then other fans could laugh at us – clearly that isn’t possible. No fan of any team in their right mind would root die-hard for their team to win when they’re 0-5, lost their starting QB, and clearly have no shot for the playoffs. Any fan would either be indifferent to the outcome or (if thinking long-term) be secretly okay with losses so they could get a better draft pick, REGARDLESS of who was in the draft.
i thank you all for your time.
I got an idea..
Why doesnt Ross hire Don Shula, in the same position Parcel had. Let Shula run the football part(im sure he can, given all the bussines he own). I know Shula can find an ideal GM and then both can look for the ideal HC. Im just saying.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(Quarter of a Century and counting)
I've thought that too.
Shula should have a role in the team somewhere.
And, we all know he isn’t afraid to go pass first, big time QB….
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Shula at the head of this
would be AMAZING. With his knowledge of the game I think he would help bring back the glory days and put a great staff together to set us up to succed for years. There are some great coaches out there that deserve a chance and Id feel alot better with Shula hand picking and mentoring that coach.
Luck will want to play for Miami
Who don’t love South Beach?
Officially on board with Suck for Luck
by biggaandbadda on Oct 22, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do you honestly think that matters??? At all?
The whole “we have nice beaches and KILLER shopping!” argument is the craziest bunch of nonsense… We’re talking about football here, not the 2012 socialite draft.
players do come to Miami cause of the weather
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by biggaandbadda on Oct 22, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
... and tax breaks
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if andrew luck pulls a power play
I would trade the pick for 3 1sts and get RGIII, also I will hope he busts ryan leaf-esque.
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by AnishB15 on Oct 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
When does the tanking positively end?
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet! Captain beem me abord the luckmobil!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
Um, well, with the first win?
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
Ya think!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet! Captain beem me abord the luckmobil!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 23, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
This isnt San Diego and Andrew Luck isnt a brat like Eli and Elway
With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
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... redunkculous?
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
lol that too
With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
Captain of the "U.S.S. Andrew Luck"; Flagship of the LuckFleet
Please, call me Bacon
THis
Ross will have to woo him a bit, and having a competent Coach and GM will help. I cant see Luck doing this though.
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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