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Suck For Luck Reactions Continue - Miami Dolphins Linebacker Jason Taylor Weighs In

A day after fellow Miami Dolphins linebacker Karlos Dansby reacted to the "Suck for Luck" campaign, future Hall of Famer Jason Taylor spoke about the growing fan desire to see Miami lose.  And, like Dansby, and former Miami great Dan Marino, Taylor doesn't understand losing just to claim a draft choice.

"I think you can tell what my reaction is to it. Even without asking me, I think you would know what mine is - it's ridiculous. You know, nothing amazes me anymore. You see so many asinine things that are said and talked about nowadays. Me even acknowledging it is kind of condoning the stupidity but it is what it is.

"People are going to talk about it. I think [Luck] addressed it and said it was ridiculous. I'm going to say the same thing. I know there's not one person in that locker room that would ever - call it what it is - throw a game. To lose enough games to get the number one pick."

In fact, the simple idea that the team would lose on purpose, or that anyone in the organization would even suggest the team tank games, Taylor stressed the team's reaction:

"It's just ... If anybody -they never would come down from upstairs to lose games. If it did, there would be a revolt. And Tony [Sparano is] just not that guy. Tony's never going to quit at anything. And I think he would quit before he let that happen. And to be honest, there would be no team to field on the field because everybody in that locker room would walk before we did that."

Taylor wasn't done:

Star-divide

"I mean, number one it's illegal for a player to throw a game. Whether it's for pay or if it's for a pick. It's the same thing. So you're really ruining - people are talking about ruining the integrity of the game to try to secure a draft pick. And there's still no guarantee you're going to get the draft pick.

"I mean, that it would even come up and that people would even start to think this and let the wheels turn. And if you turn the radio on, people are talking about scenarios and letting ... Andrew Luck have input on whether or not there's a new coach or who the new coach is. And it's just like, guys - are you serious? You know, I'm not going to call them out by name but it's like, really?"

As more and more player begin to react to the Andrew Luck desire among Dolphins fans, the anger will continue to grow within the team.  The next step for the team will be turning that anger on to the field.  And, if Taylor, Dansby, or anyone else with the team wants the Suck for Luck campaign to go away, they hold the key --win.  Winning solves everything, including the Suck for Luck fan base.

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Someone, anyone please EXPLAIN to the media, the players, coaches

that none of us WANT anyone to throw games. Sheesh. Suck for Luck is all about consolation prizes for the shit performance of our team week in and week out. Let’s see if our Sunlife Stadium home field advantage continues to help us in the SFL campaign.

by Doug Maxton on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

100% accurate...

Suck for Luck has nothing to do with purposelly throwing games. Nothing. It has to do with the fact that this team is so lousy that we really dont need to “try” to lose. It seems to come naturally to us…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is your take on it.

It may mean different things to different people. For me it mean sucking on purpose. For me it means rooting against our team. For me it means quitting. I know that you and many others have gone on long and wordy efforts to explain why sucking for luck is not a representation of your fan-hood, but this topic means something different to different people.

Besides, if people need to go through suck great efforts to defend their mindset, you have to wonder who they are trying to convince…the readers or themselves….

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually dont have to wonder that at all..

It is trying to clear up some facts that are being misrepresented in various locations. And I understand that it means different things to different people, but i havent seen one person on this site advocate players tanking games. Not one. All I have seen are numerous posts complaining about the people wanting the players to tank games. Never posts from the people actually advocating it. Which is exactly why the issue needs to be clarified for others, and not myself…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have read several posts that elude...

to how the dolphins should set themselves up failure for the remainder of the season including keeping the coaching staff, starting lineups that could equal losses, and other things. Though people don’t use the term tanking, it doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A loss on Sunday

Would show the dolphins are doing just that, there is no reason the dolphins should not take advantage of such a horrible team that seems to be tanking there season just like the dolphins.

If they loose then they seem to be tanking for an idea of drafting luck, which I would loose my respect for the team. I still have faith that they can work through the strife and win, I want to see the D hit hard and I want to see a running game take off once again.

by fsu_csu on Oct 21, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree that we should win the game,

although i would still question whether the team is tanking or not regardless of the outcome. The players are really in a position where they can only do their best in the system they are a part of. The coaching staff and head office is who i would lose respect for if they were actually tanking.

I also agree that we could work through this and move forward. Go Dolphins!

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. can you reference these posts specifically?

Maybe I missed them. I try to read everything I can but perhaps a few got by me. So let me know where I can go to read between the lines ad determine that the poster is advocating that the players tank games. And I am not talking about the Front office. I am talking about players, and have been since the beginning, because this post has to do with things a player said, as it did when Dansby said them. So where can I go to read about how players should personally tank games?

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry,

i wont have the time to review every comment over the past several weeks on the topic to provide support for my argument (not trying to sound like an a-hole). But i can say, that the tone and the interpretation by myself and clearly many others is that tanking is part of the message.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

I should speak for myself becasue the argument “means different things to different people” but you can tell me that others are reading between the lines to draw the same conclusions as you?

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

as evidenced by the players, radio shows, other fans on here, and your need to defend that you don’t think it has anything to do with tanking.

The mere fact that people need to defend the Suck for luck logic at times by pointing out that it is not tanking means that some people think that it means that they associate suck for luck with tanking.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's idiotic

The name “Suck for Luck” has in it for a team to fail to get luck.

All it is fans trying to find away to route for a team that has failed, by routing for a team to fail some more. I am going to take the position that it’s the fans fault for the position the Dolphins are in. Much of the energy a team needs to succeed comes from playing at home and having the crowd behind there back.

The majority of the fans opening day, Monday night, we’re new England fans.

by fsu_csu on Oct 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You think the fans are responsible for the 0-5 start to the season and you have the audacity to call something some else said Idiotic?

Umm. OK sure. So as a fan, how is it that I am responsible for the 500+ yards Tom Brady threw for that day? And was it my lack of energy that caused leg cramps to run rampant through our defense? If I screamed a little louder at my TV set, would their tight ends have been covered, I mean, at all? Or maybe a more supportive fanbase would have tripped Welker as he ran down the sideline for a 99 yard score. Yeah, you are absolutely right, this is all our fault…I mean, you can certainly take that position, but you probably want to take it easy insulting the view points of others…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

as you insult him for his point of view

by being sarcastic and patronizing…

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did I insult him?

When I suggested that he not criticize someone elses view point becasue there may be others that find his viewpoint “idiotic”? Did I call him a name? Or question his intelligence? And when you are going to make the statement that the fans are responsible for the position the team is in, then every question I asked is valid, and in fact, not at all sarcastic…patronizing, perhaps, but not really sarcastic…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok
And was it my lack of energy that caused leg cramps to run rampant through our defense? If I screamed a little louder at my TV set, would their tight ends have been covered, I mean, at all? Or maybe a more supportive fanbase would have tripped Welker as he ran down the sideline for a 99 yard score. Yeah, you are absolutely right, this is all our fault…

how is that not sarcastic and patronizing?

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what....

its cool… i get where you are coming from and i disagree with your logic. Its fine. I don’t need to convince you of anything, and you don’t need to convince me of anything. I don’t come to this site to argue with people over this kind of stuff.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, wut?

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He shouldnt need you to defend him anyway...

I disagree that I openly insulted him, but to be honest, I really dont care if I did. Lets be honest, this was a respectable conversation till he called something I said “idiotic”. SO let him come back and defend it, if he wants to…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And actaully, my bad...

THe last line “Yannow, youre right This is our fault” was sarcastic. I just reread it and there is no denying that was sarcasm. You are absolutely right…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

no worries man

we all need a truce around here. We are pretty much on the same team and this losing week in and week out is beginning to divide us. Cant we all just agree that we love our Miami Dolphins in different ways? I cant imagine someone like yourself or me on here all day not genuinely loving our team.

While we may disagree on how we root cheer and care for this team, the constant is that we love this team so much that it hurts when they don’t succeed.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fan support can boost a team significantly

Have you ever tried to play a home game with the fans booing or unsupportive of the team? Until you have you have no place to say anything. A lack of fan support will help with failures of a team.

by fsu_csu on Oct 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK...

So then what happened IN Cleveland, IN SanDiego, and IN New York (Really New Jersey, but you get the point)…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

San Diego has been a top contstant for awhile, yes there’s defense sucks but they still win, gaines won a super bowl more recently then the dolphins, and Cleveland has awesome fans but a hard time drawing talent.

I live in Colorado and I see first hand what happens when fans are not behind there team, orton is a good qb when he has a offense that mostly runs. However he was constantly getting boos from the crowd, that constant negative can cause a good player to suck.

I have seen very little evidence to show the dolphin fans are there to support there team. Yes I am not saying let medorcacy go, I am saying that fans need to be held accountable for there actions. Look at the Saints.

by fsu_csu on Oct 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously look at teams with a good fan base, that hold the team accountable and still support. Most fans including us will just botch and boo and have no clue to what’s good for a team.

by fsu_csu on Oct 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

our fans were booing Henne during practice

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is

This team is going to be bad and there is no point to go 8-8. That changes nothing.

2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.

Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.

by Patssuck456 on Oct 23, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mosul, your last line says it all...

The players are in direct control of this issue. Want the Andrew Luck story to go away? Win games. Thats all. The team and the organization are directly to blame for this, not the fans. Not the media. No one was talking about this in August. No one. It has only become a story because the team has performed in an embarrasing fashion all season. If the team was 2-3, we wouldnt be talking about this. So take a loof in the mirror fellas, you all created this monster…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Learn a Lesson from the Jets

The year that P. Manning was suppose to come out for the draft, the Jets had first pick. Some Jet fans had been the equal to the Suck for Luck group here. Guess what, they were very sad when he decided to go back to school with his last year of eligibility rather then come out. Luck has one year of eligibility left, and could go back to school for a second major, the start of his Masters program, or just take courses while enjoying the college experience. There is no requirement that a player leave college after four years.

by viguy007 on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

If Miami has the #1 pick and Luck didn't come out, we'd still be in position to draft the best QB on the board.

This franchise needs the best possible QB it can get. If Luck isn’t there, we just take whoever is. I’m just as concerned about who our next coach is going to be

by phinsphan85 on Oct 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

if miami has the number 1 pick

And luck decided not to come out, I would trade down to a pick around 10th, an get RGIII

Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet.
Trade Marshall NOW!!!
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Dear Reggie Bush, GTFO of miami
Vontae Davis and Sean Smith = Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain 2.0
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god

by AnishB15 on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If this happens...

Any decent RT prospects this year?

by LimeyPhin on Oct 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

At the very least...

our consolation prize would be better than Keyshawn.

by BlueGrin on Oct 21, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Talk about buyers remorse

by Zsnoop on Oct 21, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

Still tilting at straw men.

You know what’s going to drive me away from this sight? Stupid crap like this.

by PNSter on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Who are you talking to?

“How about a little fire, Scarecrow?!!”

lol

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had never heard "Tilting at straw men" before...

So I looked it up, and turns out it is a dead-on accurate description of what has been going on in this debate. Nice. Also, and this may come off as sarcastic but I promise it is not, thanks for the education. The question I have though is this: What exactly is driving you away from the sight? The Suck for Luck debate?

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling the team is reading "the Phinsider".

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if any of them do?

Still a believer in having a top tier TE.

by tuscanitunr x2 on Oct 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many sacks did Taylor get this last game? Hurries?

Don’t throw any game, just keep doing what you’re doing.

by Doug Maxton on Oct 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

^^This^^

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the line from Taylor about Tony never quitting, it just reads funny.

It’s like -
Tony would never quit. He’s not a quitter, he’d never quit on anything. He hates quitting so much, if he was asked from upstairs to quit on this season, you know what he’d probably do? He’d quit.

by Agumen on Oct 21, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Well said!

Rec’vd

"Expect nothing. Blame no one. Do Something!"-Bill parcells

by MDPHINFan on Oct 21, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, JT obviously doesn't get how good Luck is because he's playing

and so isn’t as up on college football as the rest of us.

That’s fine, especially since JT is at the end of his career. However, considering Luck will probably own a team within 3 years and be league commissioner shortly after, it would behoove the other players to show a little bit more respect.

I fully expect Luck to be the first player to win more rings than the amount of years he actually plays. ie. If he plays for 10 years he’ll get 13 rings. He’s that good.

by Agumen on Oct 21, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with the players

as a competitor, the Suck for Luck mentality is ridiculous. Everyone can hate on them and try and call them out for their performance, and why wouldn’t you all, most of you are so quick to judge this team and point out every failure and shortcoming like they personally attacked you. Over half of the “fans” of this team on this site hope that our season turns out horribly, i am ashamed of the mentality of so many of the people here. If i was a player i would call the fans out too. I am embarrassed for this topic, I am embarrassed that we are becoming the butt of every radio shows jokes because of how quick so many of you quit on the team. I am embarrassed out how you all try and rationalize your attitude about quitting on this team.

Go Dolphins and beat those Broncos! Hopefully with a few wins, the Suck for luck fans will quit on that bandwagon like they did our beloved Dolphins.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Our season is already horrible.

But fans on the suck for luck bandwagon don’t want the rest of the decade to be horrible as well.

by BlueGrin on Oct 21, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand the point of view..

i just don’t endorse it. People keep trying to drive the point home… we get it. Some of us don’t like it and are still rooting on this season. It seems that people feel they have to convince everyone else to think the way they do to somehow justify their perspective… I myself was trying to advocate against the suck for luck bandwagon for awhile, i’m done. I really dont care if some of the fans want to root against the team or focus on next year instead of this year. I dont care. I, and other fans, will root root root for our team and ignore the naysayers.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But look at it this way...

THere are two sides to this argument. And the “SUck for Luckers” are having there loyalty to the team questioned all over the place. The people rooting for as many wins as possible arent. So you are gonna have to deal with alot of people defending themselves. And speaking for myself, I am not at all trying to convince anybody to switch sides in the debate, strictly clarifying how I feel about it.

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

but dont you think that the fans have the right to question loyalty?

especially when they hear about being happy about losses. Or in the very least not being overly affected by a loss?

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I actually dont think one fan should question the loyalty of another...

Because I dont look at this as a loyalty issue. I think both sides of this particular issue want the same thing. As jaded as it may seem, suck for luckers are rooting for what they believe to be the best course of action for the team. Even people who are acitvely rooting for losses, which I canrtt say strongly enough that I am not one of, are ultimately rooting for what they believe will be a positive outcome for the franchise. (By the way, I am more of a rationalizer, in that I root for wins, but rationalize afterwards that all the losing gets us closer to Luck, which I admit, is a hazy distinction.) Now if we were talking about this three months ago, and people were saying in August “I hope the team sucks, casue I like Andrew Luck.” then I would agree that the fans devotion may be quetionable. But we, or more specifically I am not saying that. The suckfor luck argument is CASUED by how bad the team is, not the other way around. "Suck"ers could argue that even if the team goes on a tear, the best we are looking at is another 7-9 season, and that doesnt do anything but keep us mired in the middle of the pack, so people who are hoping for as many wins as possible ar not rooting in the best interest of the team. Now htats a stretch of an argument too, but so is saying that people taking a long-term view of the franchise are not devoted fans…

The only reason I watch Jets games is to see if TODAY is the day Rex Ryan's fat heart gives out on him...

by Brantner78 on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now because

we want this team to draft Luck that means that we have quit on this team? Fantastic jump of logic there. And should I assume that because when referring to us you put the word fans in quotes, that you don’t think that we are true fans?

If that is true, you need to stop putting that in your comments. There was a big front paged article on here that said in no uncertain terms that we, as posters on this site, do not have the right to express our personal opinions on another poster’s fanhood. Just an FYI.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue
I can't brain today, I have the dumb.
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by Chupathingy on Oct 21, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

got it...

my personal opinion as a fan is that fans who root for losses or are rooting for the team to be the worst team in the league at the end of the season are not my kind of “fans”. Take it any way you like.

and whether you like it or not, I can choose to sound off about my definition of what a fan is, and if you disagree, that fine. opinions are opinions, they are not facts. What makes something true or false is up to the individual.

I am not attacking you personally if you have become offended about my definition of a fan. If you choose to get hurt and feel called out…that’s on you.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this completely.
and whether you like it or not, I can choose to sound off about my definition of what a fan is, and if you disagree, that fine. opinions are opinions, they are not facts. What makes something true or false is up to the individual

My only point was that there was a big post put up about how nobody had the right to question another persons fanhood, and people were getting criticized because they were voicing their opinion on what was a “true fan”. I was just giving you a heads up in case that crowd decided to jump on you about it.

I am not attacking you personally if you have become offended about my definition of a fan. If you choose to get hurt and feel called out…that’s on you.

I don’t feel offended at all by you saying that you don’t think I am a real fan. I know you didn’t mention me specifically, but I consider myself part of the S4L crowd and you’ve made your opinions on them clear. And the reason that I’m not offended by it is because quite frankly, I don’t really care what your opinion is of me or my fanhood.

Now I don’t mean any offense by that, but I just mean that I don’t define or quantify my fanhood by whether or not other people consider me to be a “good fan” by their own personal definition of that term. The only opinion of my fanhood that matters to me is mine, and the people that know me know what kind of fan I am. If that bothers you, well like you said, that’s on you since we all have our own opinions.

Also as you said above, everybody looks at everything differently. You are rooting for the Dolphins to salvage this season and win now, while I am rooting for them to get better for the long term future at a critical position. If that means we have to suffer through a bad season this year, so be it. I would rather suffer through one more bad season and then be set for a decade or more at QB than to finish middle of the pack again and still have the same struggles we have had.

You’re looking at it from a more short term point of view, and I am looking at it from a more long term point of view. 2 different ways of looking at the same concept, the Dolphins becoming a winning franchise again.

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by Chupathingy on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

if there were...

guarantees that: 1: we would get luck or
                             2: that Luck will actually be a franchise player
I would be able to think more long term. But there are no guarantees and no matter what my desire is for a potential draft pick, many things can happen between now and then that could change that opinion completely.

I don’t think of my rooting for wins this season as a me thinking in the short term necessarily. I think of it on living in the now, and the now is the 2011 football season. Like i said, many things can happen between now and then that could make all of these discussions irrelevant. Besides, it would only take a couple of horrendous games for Luck becomes questionable at the #1 pick.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck becomes questionable at the #1 pick.

i meant:
Luck to become questionable…

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol I dont support Suck4Luck but I give even less of a shit

about what JT has to say. The dude obviously doesnt care about the Dolphins or their fans. He doesnt give a shit about the future of the Finz.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Oct 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Anyone who thinks that Suck for Luck is about players "throwing" games...

doesn’t understand the concept of causation. Rooting doesn’t cause winning/losing.

by BlueGrin on Oct 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

tell that to the players who play at home in front of an empty stadium...

or Detroit who’s fans cause false starts and other penalties because of loud they are. To really believe that no amount of cheering could impact a game is ludicrous. Ask any athlete whether they get pumped up and motivated when they feel supported.

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are althletic supporters....

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

very funny

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suck for Luck helps me deal with the weekly loss.

I always want my Dolphins to win, but the SFL ‘campaign’ softens the blow of another disappointing performance and loss. At least it gives me some hope for the future. But I think one of the worst things that could happen for this franchise is that they win 3+ games and miss out on a potential franchise QB whether it is Luck, Jones or possibly RG3. We will wallow in mediocrity for the next 10 years.

by LimeyPhin on Oct 21, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

my g/f sucks for luck..and my nickname...you got it, its luck!

"We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
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by zero13 on Oct 21, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, she's told me that.... LOL LOL LOL

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean she gargled it..doh!..for your eyes only, I included a pic...she likes toys!

Photobucket

"We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
www.zerothirteen.com

by zero13 on Oct 21, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, the agreement states no nudity....

O… M… G!

And those aren’t your gf’s.
I’ve seen this pic before.. lol
Yet, it still amazes.

Are they facing wrong… kinda like looking at a cross-eyed person….

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK the rite one is lacktating!

wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet! Captain beem me abord the luckmobil!

by wild zion beaver on Oct 22, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol..if my g/f looked like those,i'd never leave the house..love the pis enuff to save it!!

"We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
www.zerothirteen.com

by zero13 on Oct 22, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i meant "pic"..doh..

"We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
www.zerothirteen.com

by zero13 on Oct 22, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I crown these ...

Dew drop zipples … the torch has been passed.
Well played Zero

by Zsnoop on Oct 23, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank you very muchh..i'll be here all week, tip your waitress..and try the veal.

"We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
www.zerothirteen.com

by zero13 on Oct 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Ross brought this on not THE FANS

The owner of this has basically short changed the fans by trying to sell us on an inferior product. He figured that we would rather look at fergie than a good football team. His fiascos with Jim Harbaugh, the Gators and with Toneeee have left the fans frustrated and disillusioned! Mediocrity on the field and with the management have left the fans wanting more. The drafting has been poor. Now we see a potential cure for our woes……Andrew Luck. All the team needs to do is continue to Suck it Up. Drop passes, miss tackles, and fail to MAKE PLAYS. Do we need to chant SUCK FOR LUCK? Maybe not. Because clearly this team is doing it without much difficulty!!!

by DAVEBUCK on Oct 21, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Dont believe these players. Suck for Luck is illegal off course they are not going admit doing it

Suck for Luck is like faking a injury, against nfl rules but players still do it

Officially on board with Suck for Luck

by biggaandbadda on Oct 21, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

... along with pushing off, holding, farting and pinching and gouging in the pile....

lol

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

farting?

Officially on board with Suck for Luck

by biggaandbadda on Oct 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, there's lots of stink happening under those piles.

Ask any player. (even in huddles someone farts)

lol

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

If some fans would rather believe the players are Sucking for Luck … because … that’s better than actually conceding

 the players and the team is really this bad.

by Zsnoop on Oct 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

If these players are not sucking for Luck then they all should be cut

Suck for Luck should be their excuse for losing but if they are losing game because they actually suck at their job then they shouldn’t have a job

Officially on board with Suck for Luck

by biggaandbadda on Oct 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
I will never "Suck for Luck" !
Win for pride, Win for us fans!

by Phinphinatic on Oct 21, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol... but they can't actually come out and say that....

"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"

by Alpha6 on Oct 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly these players might actually be sucking for Luck but they cant admit it

I believe Dolphins are sucking for Luck

Officially on board with Suck for Luck

by biggaandbadda on Oct 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

fans don't want to lose

the team is losing. You can either die a little each game. Or joke and have fun saying “woot suck for luck”. If the players and the team want the suck for luck talk to end, they should win games. Duh. As a fan, as long as they are losing, I’ll pretend it is what I want anyways. :)

by Johonny on Oct 21, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Suck for Luck would be a mistake

Nice article. I agree with Jason Taylor. Forget the “Suck for Luck”. Winning is a habit, but so is losing. And the Dolphins have developed this bad habit. They expect to lose before the game starts. This cannot continue and I think it is more important to break this bad habit than it is to draft Andrew Luck.

I write more about this in this article: http://finsclubhouse.blogspot.com/2011/10/when-should-tony-sparano-be-fired.html

Joe Roberts
FinsClubhouse.blogspot.com owner

by FinsClubhouse on Oct 21, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Im just going to be quite honest.

I remember when we started the feed the wolf chant. At first it was cool,bit after about the 500th time hearing it it got old pretty quickly.

Same with the saying “suck for Luck”

There isnt a day that goes by that we dont hear something about this. It isn’t that it’s right or wrong,it is that it is getting old.

I don’t care that it brings hope to some. It brings nothing but a realization that all the hope that I have had since 2007 has left me feeling like it was all for naught.

I am tired of endlessly supporting a team that rips at my heart every chance it gets. Bit it is the price I pay for being a fan,and nothing is going to change that.

My girlfriends dad is a patriots fan. My gf is a broncos fan,luckily,my gf’s mother is a casino fan,cuz if it was based on pure luck,she would have probably been a jets fan or sumn,lol.

Either way,my point is this. I remember how people in the stands pined for Orton during practice. We were pretty united that that was a bullshit deal probably led by some closet jets fans. This imo,is no different. We are still pining,only this is worse imo,because it has the fan base divided,it has our team taking its focus off winning,and focussing on arguing their point. The team is no longer fighting on the field,they are fighting in the stands. Which by the way,are as empty as a crackhouse across from a police station.

People are arguing their point on both fronts,when in all honesty,we as a group “fans,media,players,coaches,hell even the opposing teams,and great players of a once proud franchise” are looking for ways to blame each other for the way our team is playing. No one cares to admit we all play a part in the dissention of the team.

No one wants to take the first step towards correcting it either. Just keep finding someone to point the finger at,and hope that your the loudest to get your point across.

It ALL sucks,but we are all doing it to ourselves. Agree to disagree,get off your ass and do sumn bout it. The time is now,not 11 weeks from now to at least win some god damned pride back.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Oct 21, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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