Standing up for the "Suck"ers

(I’m not laughing at your gig, just the unexpectedness of your answer)

(insert Stalin)

and believe it has helped me further my knowledge of the game. I dont think New England or New Orleans is a good example of your idea. Brady was a lucky 7th round gem, and Brees was a 2nd round pick who basically fell into New Orleans lap. If they were the blueprint we would be taking late round qbs and FAs and hoping they become the real deal. Building around a QB seems to be one of the best stratagies though for todays NFL as long as we can keel him healthy.

You get a Franchise QB (by any means) and build AROUND him… ! You don’t spend draft pick after draft pick on big, slow DE’s and DT’s throwning in extra one in the late rounds plus ALWAYS drafting OL BEFORE you address the QB position……you don’t always draft the biggest LB (Misi) maybe you should get smoe real speed off the edge like Taylor (in his prime) or Freeney…these guys are not the biggest… Maybe YOU (front office) should add more speed and"big play" playmakers (Dan thomas is never going to be this) ALA DeSean Jackson types…In cany case…YOU GET THE QB FIRST…….. and keep trying until you get it right.

Seriously, everyone needs to quit talking about Madden and the Madden Generation ruining football fans, because it’s the exact opposite. Tell me what reason a 10 year old kid has to know about the 4-3 defense vs the 3-4 defense, or who his favorite teams 4th WR is, or how a screen pass works, other than making him better at his favorite video game? When I was 12, I didn’t know half the shit about the game that today’s 12 year old knows. And that’s a DIRECT result of Madden

Madden is responsible for much of my more in-depth football knowledge. Here’s the thing, though. I have never executed a trade in the game. I got into the game playing with friends and since have fallen in love with battling it out online with fellow football fans. The only thing I have ever done in the game is play it, learn about the players, the formations, the game, and i’ve learned a ton about the game of football. Reason being, it’s inspired me to follow the game more closely. For example, now instead of just watching the game, I usually go back and re-watch plays multiple times. I’ve developed a love for the nuances of the game, from blocking to coverage to quarterback mechanics.

Thanks for setting the Madden debate straight. It’s a good thing for football. I hear plenty of ridiculous things said from people who obviously don’t play Madden as well.

But you’re absolutely right. Very intelligent, well-articulated and insightful post. Thanks.

I would’ve never joined the military because I kicked butt at Call of Duty. I entered the Air Force because I kicked butt at Ace Combat…

you will not go anywhere anyways!! The madden part is about how people build a team on the game and think they know what it takes to run a NFL team. People play the games and played high-school ball and think they are wizards of the game. There is much more to it than that. Can you win a Super-Bowl with out a stud QB…. Yes… Does it help a whole lot to have one … YES… This team needs a lot of help all just as important as a QB. Leadership, Coaching, FO, and QB, CB, FS and plain and simple someone who knows how to take this team forward.
  So Nicky thanks for ripping , I’m going to go cry now and tell my mommy you were mean to me, and Santa wont visit you this year.
  So the points I was trying to make , QB yes, a lot more problems to address Yes. Will Luck save this team alone…..NOPE.

If you are simply advocating us drafting Luck when we do pick #1 overall, that is different and not what SFL stands for.

Perfect…

I also get what may come from the 0-16 season, Do I trust this F.O. with the first pick….NO!! Do I think this will be our F.O. next year , God I hope not, but until we see otherwise I think this F.O. will ^#%$ it up also. I get the Suck for Luck, I’m afraid , Luck wont solve the problems because there are so many of them, and I just dont agree with folding for any reason. I know if I was on team and that was the game plan , you better trade me. I was not wired that way. I just dont believe in quitting . You name the sport I’m pretty sure I played it and well, never once could you have gotten me to stop trying.
  SO thats my stance, also if we had the number one pick and I was in charge I’m not should I wouldn’t trade it for the house, Remember Hershel Walker trade got the Cowboys alot of rings.

Ambien is a hell of a drug. but still I don’t I have called anyone out like that. Everyone has there own thoughts and how they are wired. I am fine with it, So if some how I ripped any one on here or upset a few I am sorry, well other than Nicky , I get him he just need a hug, and I well talk to Bacon for that. But any-who, sorry for any mis-understandings.
 Plus if there is anything to upset fellow Phinsiders it should be my spelling!!!

But I do want him, and I know we need losses to get him.

I want to see this team get back to being a super bowl threat, and I want to watch a Franchise QB. I’m willing to hope they lose in 2011 for a possible bright future for 15-18 years.

You extend an olive branch and some guys think it is a rifle

Sick of people lumping “fans” into 2 seperate categories as if they have final say over who is a fan and who is not. Thanks for once again breaking it down for “both sides”. For there are many of us who cannot be painted into a box.

But your theory is flawed using the Lions and Raiders. Horrible FO’s killed both those franchises for years, coupled with aweful drafts…so that arguement is wrong in nature. The right FO can do wonders picking in the beginning of each round.

Not quite as bad as the Lions, I guess, but certainly not much better. We are stuck in our own ten year nightmare, 2008 notwithstanding. In that light, I think any Colts fan who is a proponent of Suck for Luck should shut up and sit down. They have been elite for ten years, including a SB victory and another appearance. So if there fans are wanting to suck, I think it is more valid to call them “Fair weather fans”. But I am coming from a persepctive of a fan of a team that hasnt really been any good in over a decade, and wants to see a new direction taken, rather than the same one that has failed for a very long time…And Im sure it is no fun as aplayer to play in front of a hostile home crowd, but I think the crowd is reacting to the constant mediocrity, so the players and coaches need to look themselves in the mirror if they want someone to blame…But as I have said to everyone else, Luvs, I think you make very valid arguments, all of them. I just cant tolerate another 5-11 or 7-9 season stuck spinning our wheels

7 straight years of 5 wins doesn’t help because that’s normally not a top 5 pick. We don’t want 5 wins, we want 1 or 2 and the #1 pick. 5 wins is worse. Raiders got Russell when they did have the #1 pick…and Russell was a headcase like Ryan Leaf. Luck is not like that, and is more talented to begin with.

They never had the chance to draft someone like Luck.

Once the Lions were able to draft Stafford it changed them. That was the only time the Lions had the #1 pick, and it was worth it.

This team is bad to mediocre and that is their fault and not the fans. The fans “mentality” might piss off players, but if they win, that problem is solved. Your are taking one form of fan speculation and making it into a huge betrayel.

Also, do you reall think there is a connection between wanting the team to go 1-15 i(nstead of 5-11 or 7-9) for one season and fears that we will become a perennial loser? There are hundreds of thousands of Dolphins fans out there. Is the mentality of a sector of these fans really going to impact the team that much?

Also, there was no “Suck’ass for Jamarkus” bandwagon in oakland, or “sell out for yet another wide out” bandwagon in Detroit. It is just a common fan opinion that there is a solid option in the draft that is a once in a decade opportunity. There will always be fans that would rather either win the superbowl or have the worst record in the league. They are dumb. Most s4l folks I have seen don’t fall in that category. They just think we have a special shot this year. Maybe they are right.

a lifetime supply of honey, and free tickets to NFL games whenever I ask for them. I also want to inherit $100,000,000 from a dead uncle I didn’t even know about.

Usually though, when you ask someone what they want, you expect a realistic answer.

And, to tell you the truth, I don’t think I want any NFL team to purposefully tank as it is illegal to throw games (according to JT), and it undermines the integrity of the game. The only exception is resting your starters, which isn’t purposefully tanking really.