NFL Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Kevin Nogle on Oct 18, 2011 10:42 AM EDT
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PrintThat's right. The NFL trade deadline is today. While normally this is a lackluster day, it's possible today could be interesting with the new rookie wage scale making draft picks desirable again.
Last night Phillip Merling was inactive, with most of the speculation being that was done so he could be traded today without risk of injury. We'll see if that happens.
And, the first big name to be traded just happened. Accroding to Adam Schefter via Twitter, the Oakland Raiders have acquired Carson Palmer, sending the Bengals their 2012 first round pick and a conditional 2013 first round pick.
Way too much, in my opinion. Glad Miami didn't go for him.
[UPDATE - 4:00pm] - The trade deadline just expired. Any trades that were made should be announced shortly.]
[UPDATE - 4:04pm] - Former Dolphins running back Ronnie Brown has been shipped from the Philadelphia Eagles to the Detroit Lions for a 2013 7th round pick and running back Jerome Harrison.]
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Definitely too expensive
Though I only hear it is on the verge, but not completed yet.
I don’t think we’ll see any Miami moves right now. Ireland and Sparano may be busy discussing their future today (this is a bad week to fire a HC though) and there isn’t as much moves in football as there are in baseball.
Personally, I think it’s more likely Merling is released than traded. We tend to overvalue our own players.
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That wouldn't surprise me....
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A former 2nd rounder should have some value on the market
but it did sound like Sparano and him got into it. This is what happens when you start getting paranoid about your job security
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He has no value.
A 2nd rounder has value on the market if he was drafted last year or shows promise. Merling doesn’t fall into either of those categories and his value is low. We wouldn’t get a 2nd rounder for Pat White or Chad Henne after all.
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2 first rounds picks for Palmer? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Don’t forget to hold your hammy every time somebody beats you, Revis.
Really? Wow. Maybe the Cincy owner was playing this smart all along.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
For the Broncos, it was brilliant
For the Raiders, I think they totally overpayed for him. They don’t have a pick in the next draft for the first 4 rounds. And Carson Palmer hasn’t looked good in the last 2 years and hasn’t played any football this year. I don’t care how much he was working out, I don’t see him coming in and lighting things up for them.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 18, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the Bengals just made the Raiders look like the Bengals
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes!
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Well
Oakland believes they are in contention, Palmer was the best available QB. Too much yes, but I guess it all depends how important a run to the playoffs is to you.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah there is something to that for sure.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
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EVERYONE should be on the trading block right now...
I never overvalued Merling – in fact i said many times he was a waste of a pick…
Most of our roster should be available (for value) right now – or mgt is failing again to do anything for the future….
I wouldnt give away anyone – but lets face it – this needs to be rebuilt from sctatch.
DL players – Starks, Langford, Merling, Fat paulie – (rich and fat) all should be moved for a decent offer
there is NO ONE I wouldnt trade for a good pick – b/c draft picks are more valuable now than ever with the rookie wage cap.
JAKE LONG – Has not proven to be worth his huge contract at this point…. How many games do you win with a franchise LT ? Yea… none this year plus (7-9 back to back)
I would want a 1st rounder for him though – or no deal. He can help rebuild this team…but UNTIL we get a franchise QB – it dosent matter who the LT is….
Koa Misi ? more like Mising in action….he was terrible last night… vontae and Sean ?
TRADE THEM – but you need a 2nd round pick at least….
ODRICK – big slow and can’t rush the passer….trade him…
MARSHALL (drops so many passes you can’t count em all !
TRADE HIM – but again – you need at least a 2nd rounder – and you’re not getting it.
CAMERON ‘NO WAKE’ zone…trade him too – he was a one year wonder….. I would take a 2nd rounder…
MIAMI MUST assure themselves of getting LUCK, or Jones at QB – and to do that you need more draft picks this year…(pats have 2 firsts again, CLEVE two #1’s also)
If we lose enough games to get the #1 pick – any extra picks can be used to DRAFT PLAYMAKERS and or a new RT !!!!!!!!
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I agree with all of those except Jake Long
Long and Pouncey at least form the building blocks to protect the QB we’ll draft in six months. As for everyone else, bring it on!
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Agreed
Getting a star QB and not having a line to protect him is crazy.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 18, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you guys starting to drink the kool-aide again? Or are you rational enough to realize you just beat the worst team in football?
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys need a "beast" receiver for a 1st rd'er...
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that just a question or somehow in relation to my post?
Personally, I think we just beat one of the worst teams in football (no dig intended) and we didn’t look at all good during the 1st half doing it. I certainly don’t think this game means we are playoff bound by any stretch of the imagination. The best part about the game from my perspective was the play of Wayne Hunter against Cameron Wake. While your team may not be good, Wake is still one of the best pass rushers in the league and Hunter handled him very effectively and without help the whole game which definitely makes me feel better.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 18, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No dig either...might be a good tune-up game for you guys.
But no really, do you want a “monster” WR for a 2nd and a 3rd rd’er? You did’nt accept my 1st offer so I’m getting desperate.
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad, I didn't understand
Actually, I’ll take a pass on the monster receiver. I think we need to be more focused on our run game. I did like seeing McKnight getting involved in our passing game. He was running some great routes.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
One day, let's say...ugghh, next year, I'll be able to be optimistic bout my team too..
lol
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wake is no longer good. Can't generate a pass rush.
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Agreed
We already have them, and they are important in creating a line for our future QB, However if we don’t end up with the number one pick and whoever has it wants one or both these guys for Luck, I will pack their bags and drive them to the airport myself. No lineman is equal to a franchise QB.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How many do you win with a franchise left tackle may be small....
But I bet the number you lose without a left tackle is even bigger.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 18, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Long will be back and I would rather have him protect our new qb next year then anyone else
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Amen.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Not so sure
You can win with a solid LT, even bad one if you have a good enough QB. You can have the greatest LT to ever play the game, and he will mean nothing with a average QB.
Your chances are much better at getting to and winning Super Bowl with a solid LT and great QB then Franchise LT and average QB.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I would trade EVERYONE on your list with the exception of Long.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
So let's go by this....
Merling (7th… maybe)
Starks (3rd)
Langford (3rd)
Long (1st)
Misi (4th)
Odrick (2nd)
Marshall (2nd)
Wake (2nd)
Soliai (3rd)
Ok, so we go into the draft with 2 first round picks, 4 second round picks, 3 third round picks, and 2 fourth round picks. Plus our own little “feel good” trade of getting a 7th for Merling.
How well do you think Miami will be in the future with those extra picks? Of course, we’d have extra holes at LT, DE, NT, OLB, and WR. Who would protect our young QB? Who would be the go-to WR for him? Who the heck would stop the run?
All of those draft picks better be hits and they better hit fast otherwise we’ll look much even worse next year.
You want to move a player for an extra pick? Sure, ok. You don’t do an entire firesale though. On top of that, unless there are an injury that forces a team to make a deal (Oakland with QB), you’re not going to have many callers and you’re not going to get a good deal.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Heck no...
I was just playing his game.
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You trade Long if it gets Luck, but only if it does this.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You trade your first rounder...
And most other players, including Bell, Davis, Smith, and even Wake or even a combination of them… but you still keep Long. He’d be the last person currently affiliated with the Dolphins I would get rid of. My apologies to all concession attendants, but I would get rid of all of them to keep Long.
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If a team wants Long and Luck is the prize
You make that deal, period. You can find LTs that are good enough for the team to succeed, Franchise QBs are a premium, you make this deal. Long will never be more valuable to a team then a Franchise QB.
I like Long, but I like the team more I want to compete you don’t value a lineman over a QB.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they're more valuable
But you do everything you can not to trade your best player. You get Luck, but keep Long.
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why on earth
would you trade Wake? He’s the one guy who CAN rush the passer. But opposing offenses know that. It hard to keep production up when nobody around you is helping your cause.
The rest, outside of Wake and Long, I agree with. Part of me wishes we could keep Marshall and maybe prevent whatever is causing him to drop the balls (I think it more has to do with an “I don’t care” attitude than it does that he can’t catch. He’s a playmaker, when happy. For whatever reason, he’s dissatisfied. But he has to realize he is a big reason we’re 0-5. Dropped TD’s, dropped 3rd down passes kill on offense.
I'm not saying he would...
I was replying to someone who said he would. I was just saying that with those picks, which are still a bit optimistic in rounds, we’d have a huge talent shortfall on our roster.
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Yeah this hate on Wake is completely unjustified
How many sacks does our D-line have this year? Misi got his 1st sack on the year in garbage time. That is just pathetic when you are lined up opposite Wake
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
we would still have, bess, hartline, moore, wallace, not great but we have had worse
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by smokinjoe699 on Oct 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be painfully average for a WR corps.
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They traded with NO so the Saints could move up for Ingram.
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Like most everyone has said,
I agree with you about trading almost everyone except for Long and Pouncey. They will be very instrumental in keeping our new QB protected. As for Vontae and Sean, I would possibly consider keeping Vontae, he is definitely the better of the two and has at least shown that he can catch an effing interception. But I know St. Louis is pretty desperate for CBs right now, maybe they can be persuaded to part with a 3rd for Smith.
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by Chupathingy on Oct 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont be stupid
JAKE LONG – Has not proven to be worth his huge contract at this point…. How many games do you win with a franchise LT ? Yea… none this year plus (7-9 back to back)
I would want a 1st rounder for him though – or no deal. He can help rebuild this team…but UNTIL we get a franchise QB – it dosent matter who the LT is….
He is easily the best player on the team. He’s under 30 and is still recovering from an injury. You want Luck/Jones to get killedas soon as they get here?
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like LONG a lot... but
My point is this- with the new rookie wage cap – Long is less valuable than drafting a new LT because we would pay so much less this time around…do you remember how much we saved over POUNCY’s draft position from the previous year (around 15 mill I think)
or using the extra #1 rd pick (remember I said ONLY for a first rd pick) to move up and get ANDREW LUCK… In that case I would trade Jake…lets not anoint him the greatest ever on the Fins…..We won back-2-back superbowls with less pedigreed LT’s in an era where you ran all the time…(higher value to LT) In the PASSING ERA the OL is not as important…
Sure – I don’t want to give up Long –
but QUICK – NAME MANNINGS LT ? ROGERS LT ? BIG BEN’S LT ? BREES LT ?
yea….none are as good as Jake – but they all have SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS… the QB is just more important….like ANDREW LUCK, or almost as good LANDRY JONES…
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Did Matty Ryan get Killed his first year ? How dead is Colt Mccoy…or Dalton, or Cam Newton, Gabbertt… Ponder isnt getting “killed” sure they will take some lumps – I would just draft another BEST AVAILABLE TACKLE in round 2-3 iF I lost Jake to get ANDREW LUCK….
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When healthy Long is the best LT in the game
You dont trade players who are the best among their positions. Its that simple
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You do if it makes you better
There is no question if Luck is as good as he seems it won’t matter what LT we have we will be better, period.
Average LT + Great QB > Franchise LT and OK to above average QB.
You keep Long if you can without question, but if its a choice between Luck and Long, its a no brainer you go with Luck.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Odrick is our best DL.
Misi would be our SSDE if we go to the 43.
Davis and Smith are just fine.
Long? Are you high?
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I cannot believe Chokeland coughed up a 1 for that guy. WTF!?
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think Oakland has a pick within the first four rounds of the 2012 draft now. That sucks.
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by Kevin Nogle on Oct 18, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. Great deal for Cincinnati, though
They can use that 1 on a stud cornerback (there are plenty of them in this draft) or an offensive lineman to protect Dalton. This is how you build a winner, IMO.
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I like Palmer a lot, but that’s way too much for him. Bengals will be sitting pretty with this deal.
This is not a rumor...
but how about Brandon Marshall to the New York Giants for Osi Umenyiora?
Giants get a premier receiver and unload a malcontent
Improves the pass rush, maybe helps Wake get on track….
Osi’s a free spirit, so may not good on a sinking ship
With a new/better coach (Rob Ryan?), Umenyiora, Burnett, Dansby, and Wake would make for a potentially dominant front four.
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WR _ _SC - - - - - - - - - - - >
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ RB (Daniel Thomas/Charles Clay)
THE WILDSCAT (SC) _ _ _ _QB (Moore) _ _ _ _ _SC = Bush/Slaton/Bess
I meant front seven...
assuming the DLine shows up…put it would be a nice nickel rush line (front four)
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WR _ _SC - - - - - - - - - - - >
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THE WILDSCAT (SC) _ _ _ _QB (Moore) _ _ _ _ _SC = Bush/Slaton/Bess
by DolphDallas on Oct 18, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If you can't get some picks for him then I would do it. Just get him out of here.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I would do that our pass rush has been how does Charles Barkley say...Terible
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The only reason I wouldnt mind trading Marshall is that there are few legit #1 WR in this draft
Blackmon
Jeffrey
Floyd
Dwight Jones (I love this guy for us in the early 2nd)
Kendall Hunter is a stud but is only 5’11
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd is a beast! Watched him put it on my Wolverines.
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping his off the field stuff will let him fall to the early 2nd too
I doubt it though. He is “beasting” this year
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by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen to much of Gates, but I think a football team will do much better with a beast TE and
a stable of good WRs vs. one great WR and a few other guys. I’d rather trade Marshall for 2nd, get a beast TE and be done with all of it. Get Marvin Jones and Chris Rainey as developmental guys and go with Hartline, Gates and Bess as our top WRs.
I personally have never liked the alpha WR because of the problems it causes. I’d rather have our QB free to distribute the ball to the open WR and not have to give a certain amount of targets to one diva.
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Oh god
Please don’t tell me you actually want Rob Ryan to be the head coach of our Miami Dolphins….
One guy I was shocked to see fired last year was Tom Cable. What do you guys think about him? Obviously Gruden was my #1 pick, but doesn’t look like he’ll come back. What about Dungy? Think he’d be intrigued to un-retire? What about Cowler? Not sure if I’d want Fisher. Who else would there be? I think Cable brings that “I’ll kick your ass” type of fear this team needs. I think he shows tough love and could be a good fit.
I'd rather have Rob Ryan than Tom Cable
Tom Cable hasn’t proved anything in this league.
Rob Ryan helped a flawed Cowboys defense hold the Pats to 20 points…even got some…gasp…turnovers
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THE WILDSCAT (SC) _ _ _ _QB (Moore) _ _ _ _ _SC = Bush/Slaton/Bess
Hasn't proven anything?
Other than the fact he can break an assistants jaw?
Lol, all joking aside, Cable took a terrible Raiders team to around .500 IIRC. He was on the brink of turning that organization around before Davis fired him. Outside of Cowler and Gruden, Cable is my next choice. Rex Ryan is hard enough to listen to/watch, let alone his brother Rob Ryan. I would be greatly saddened if we based our head coaching pick off of one game. Better yet, I’d be greatly saddened if we hired a Ryan as our head coach.
For the love of God I dont want another ex-line coach as a HC
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 19, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
pass rush anyone?
anyone? anyone?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ TE LG C RG RT LT _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WR
WR _ _SC - - - - - - - - - - - >
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ RB (Daniel Thomas/Charles Clay)
THE WILDSCAT (SC) _ _ _ _QB (Moore) _ _ _ _ _SC = Bush/Slaton/Bess
if we stick with the 3-4, Osi does not fit...
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
couldn't he make the transition?
he’s athletic, 6-3 255, might even be better in the 3-4
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ TE LG C RG RT LT _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WR
WR _ _SC - - - - - - - - - - - >
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ RB (Daniel Thomas/Charles Clay)
THE WILDSCAT (SC) _ _ _ _QB (Moore) _ _ _ _ _SC = Bush/Slaton/Bess
agree opposite cam...scary.
he could make the transition, might even welcome it.
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Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the hit Yeramiah Bell put on that Jets puke....
lol
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As ridiculous as the Palmer deal is, it's actually a good thing for us
In terms of straight-up market trend, Oakland set a high precedent for today’s trade deadline. Palmer was worth a third- or fourth-round pick, so that could possibly help us if we decide to deal some players today (fingers crossed …).
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I've got my fingers crossed that we unload Marshall for a 3rd or better. I know I'm an optimist.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
after last night...I'm going to agree with you
"The more people I meet the more I like my dog."
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that's Marshall fired up??
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 18, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in... the Colts gave us Payton for Marshall, Wake and Merling...
A……. N………. D…….. I just woke up.
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"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
If we had the 2nd pick and the Colts had the 1st pick. Would you give up 2 1st round pick for Luck or take Jones with the 2nd overall?
Officially on board with Suck for Luck
if we had the 2nd...I'd rather take jones
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I probably would.
But I’d ask for another pick in return.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
definitely keep the 2nd pick
yeah I would love to have luck just as much as the next dolfan but there are plenty of QB’s in the draft that you can build a franchise around granted I wouldnt take them at #2 overall spot but could certain attempt to trade down maybe and still draft that QB and get more picks in the process
"You can do more, you can always do more." - Dan Marino
I'd still make the trade from #2 to #1 to get Luck over Jones...
But if we’re at #2, you take Jones or the highest QB on your board because you don’t risk moving down to #5 or #6 and risk losing the QB you’re targeting. It’s not worth it.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
good point
but it depends on whos picking behind us because the rams, vikings, jags, panthers wont tkae a QB so it all depends on order but I see your point as well hell maybe they might like barkley or the QB from baylor (cant recall his name) instead of jones either way its not a bad prize if we do miss out on luck
"You can do more, you can always do more." - Dan Marino
I wouldn't care who is drafting behind us...
Teams can always trade up. If we at #2 and STL is at #3, we know they’re not taking Jones. If we trade back to #4, I’m scared of a team like Seattle trading up to #3.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
i'd trade down to the 15th pick or so in that situation
hear me out, with that pick, I would get robert griffin 3, and we could pick up an extra 2nd and maybe a 5th to fill more holes.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet.
Trade Marshall NOW!!!
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Dear Reggie Bush, GTFO of miami
Vontae Davis and Sean Smith = Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain 2.0
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Oct 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate Mike Lombardi
Yesterday he said “absolutely no way no how not happening” “carson palmer is not being traded 100% i guarantee you”.
You’re such a loser, Mike Lombardi. Now I (and hopefully none of my fellow Phinsiders) will believe a word you say.
I guess Lombardi didnt expect a team to be dumb enough to offer 2 1st rounder for a 32 year old qb
Bengals had no choice but to accept that deal
Officially on board with Suck for Luck
by biggaandbadda on Oct 18, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but that's just it.
it’s the raiders. and it’s a conditional first rounder…. what does that even mean? but anyway, lombardi is just arrogant and this is the type of thing that would happen to him. he flatly guarantees something won’t happen and then it happens a day later.
by DolfanVince86 on Oct 18, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. Yeah, the Bengals look like champs right now
Hate to say it, but this has “Herschel Walker deal” written all over it.
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Not quite but still huge.
Minnesota Vikings received
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas’s 3rd round pick – 1990 (54)
San Diego’s 5th round pick – 1990 (116)
Dallas’s 10th round pick – 1990 (249)
Dallas’s 3rd round pick – 1991 (68)
Dallas Cowboys received
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1990 (47)
Minnesota’s 6th round pick in 1990 (158)
Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1991
Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1991
Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1992
Minnesota’s 3rd round pick in 1992
Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1993
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Minnesota got screwed over.
The choices you make dictate the life you lead. -Greydanus. Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost. Leading the fighter escort of SU-47s for the Lindley Bandwagon. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong for 2012 Bandwagon "pm striker king"- WZB. Good, cheap FA upgrades out there: Gurode, E. Royster, J. KirkPatrick, K. O'Dowd, D. Thomas. Dolphins not pulling their weight: J. Jerry, I. Alama-Francis, M. Columbo.
Yep! Johnson knew his chyt!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet! Captain beem me abord the luckmobil!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 19, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about you guys
But I would consider trading Reggie Bush for a Pizza Hut pizza, but only if that pizza had stuffed crust
by Guess Who's Back? on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
... with anchovies.
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
+1 on the stuffed crust
Best part? Your pizza would be delivered by Pat White.
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lol
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Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
ok kmb thats funny lmao
founding member of the dolphins really old bastards fan club GO PHINS... TO THE GRAVE BABY!
by daytonadolfan on Oct 18, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL Best laugh I have had all day long.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
what does everyone think
of that article about steven ross sucking for luck? i think it’s awesome, and who stands to gain more than him to “suck for luck”.
Raiders trading for Palmer...
Makes you wonder what the future is for Jason Campbell. You don’t trade a first round pick, especially two of them, for a QB that won’t start for you next year. It seems like this move was made to make Al Davis look smart for his moves…
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
seems like a kneejerk reaction to go 'all-in' for this year
I think they are leveraging their future with at least 1 first round pick and a 2nd rounder at the minimum.
Don’t forget to hold your hammy every time somebody beats you, Revis.
I would think his future is anywhere except for Oakland after that trade...but, the Raiders never fail to make me chuckle...
Never suck for Luck! Beg, borrow, steal, kill or sell the farm! Just get him!
Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's trades like these that give hopes for fans of teams like Miami.
But then again, if we said “At least we’re not them” we’d have to consider Oakland is 4-2. It really just makes you wonder they got there…
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
This is the first time I ever remember wishing I was a Detroit fan or a Raider fan...lol
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Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
even for all our pain now, remember it wont rain forever
our day will come again, and hopefully soon, but it will come. We are a proud organization and we’ll return to stature.
it was a joke bro...I'm slowly backing away from the edge. lol
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Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...no doubt.
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Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll have him up in the box like "Weekend at Bernie's".....too soon? lol
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Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That is an incredible idea
“Weekend of Excellence.” A story about the Raiders being controlled by their deceased owner. The tag line would be “Carson Palmer … is the greatest playa.”
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by kmb8488 on Oct 18, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lmao...
Never suck for Luck! Beg, borrow, steal, kill or sell the farm! Just get him!
Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say his future as a Starting QB
is over. Unless Carson has had a tremendous drop off from the last two years even at his worst he is a better QB then Campbell.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, they'll trade him as soon as he's healthy for whatever picks they can get.
Never suck for Luck! Beg, borrow, steal, kill or sell the farm! Just get him!
Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
"OFFICIAL SERGEANT MAJOR OF THE ANDREW LUCK FLEET"
Live with NO REGRETS!
by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Back to Washington...poor guy!!
Never suck for Luck! Beg, borrow, steal, kill or sell the farm! Just get him!
Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
"OFFICIAL SERGEANT MAJOR OF THE ANDREW LUCK FLEET"
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how many times
The phrase “What would Al Davis do” was uttered among the front office personnel in trading for CP.
I think the decision was to win now
You need a QB for that, but it still stuns me they couldn’t pull it off for less.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard the Raiders pulled out of a last minute trade for
Moore, Rosenfels ooops
Don’t forget to hold your hammy every time somebody beats you, Revis.
You know they overspent
But at least they did something, they showed some balls. We may not agree with what they paid but at least they are taking shots and trying to win and the Raiders for all their weird moves at least have had a Superbowl appearance in the last ten years.
Look at what we did when we lost our backup quality starter we couldn’t seem to move on from, while I do like Sage, we go out and sign a guy that just recently got medically cleared to play, and now we are starting a journeyman back up QB.
I am not saying we should have spent quite like that, but showing more Balls and going for it on occasion wouldn’t kill us either.
Thank god we didn't do something that dumb
Number 1 and 2 (or maybe 2 number 1’s) is crazy for Palmer. The Raiders now have no number 1, 2, 3 or 4 in next years draft (they might get a 3rd back for Asomugha). Good luck with that. That’s the kind of stuff that sets a franchise back years.
I’ll stand pat at 0-5 and keep the picks.
Well they are 4-2 and in playoff contention
We are 0-5, so yeah it wouldn’t make sense for us to do that kind of deal now. Or ever, they overpaid, no question about it (unless of course they win a Super Bowl, then it was worth it).
But we are in two completely different mindsets, we need to build and we may need our picks to draft Luck, for them if you think you can win it all what price is to high not to lose the season?
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
the dolphins are in a rebuilding
Phase and if there not,the losing will continue 8 straight and counting.The raiders apparently are planning on making a SUPER BOWL run this YEAR.That IMO is why they overpaid for Palmer
Exactly
and if for whatever reason they actually made it to and won the Super Bowl then they made a great deal. I think most coaches would give up a couple number ones for a Super Bowl win.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Former Dolphins running back Ronnie Brown
Has been traded from Philadelphia to Detroit for a 2013 7th round pick and Jerome Harrison
Sept. 26, 2010 - 2012/2013 Draft Kyle Padron Bandwagon
wow good for you Ronnie, who would've thought you'd be happy to go to Detroit....wow, times are a changin.
Never suck for Luck! Beg, borrow, steal, kill or sell the farm! Just get him!
Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
"OFFICIAL SERGEANT MAJOR OF THE ANDREW LUCK FLEET"
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by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a time being traded to detroit was like a punishment
How things change when you place some importance on QB and make some smart decisions with rest of you personnel.
by LordBishop34 on Oct 18, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
amen...
Never suck for Luck! Beg, borrow, steal, kill or sell the farm! Just get him!
Just don't SUCK for anyone or anything!
"On my signal...UNLEASH HELL!" Gladiator
"OFFICIAL SERGEANT MAJOR OF THE ANDREW LUCK FLEET"
Live with NO REGRETS!
by i bleed for phins...no really! on Oct 18, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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