Dolphins Red Zone Troubles - NFL Looks at Red Zone Efficiency Compared to Winning
It doesn't come as much of a surprise, but if you are efficient in the red zone, you typically win - at least that's what a study by the NFL released today shows. It really shouldn't surprise fans of the Miami Dolphins, given the team's 0-4 record, and inability to move the ball when it's inside the opponent's 20-yard line.
Bill Belichick, head coach of the fifth most efficient redzone team this season, the New England Patriots, states, "After turn overs, the red zone is probably the number one statistic that correlate with winning and losing."
Fellow AFC East head coach, and leader of the most efficient red zone team in football, Chan Gailey agrees with Coach Belichick. " I can give you all the coaching clichés about that we work on it, we spend time on it, and all that, says Gailey, who will face the second most efficient red zone team, the New York Giants, this upcoming week. "The bottom line is execution - being able to defeat the defenses that you play each week. The guys have done a good job of understanding that we need to score touchdowns down there. We've done it a variety of ways. If you can score touchdowns instead of field goals, it helps you win games."
Miami Dolphins head coach Tony Sparano needs to learn something from his fellow AFC East coaches - especially that field goals part (although, to be fair, Dan Carpenter has not attempted a field goal from inside the opponent's 20 yard line yet this year).
The top five teams in red zone efficiency so far this year:
TEAM POSS PTS TDs TD% 20 120 15 75 New York Giants 14 76 10 71.4 16 88 11 68.8 15 79 10 66.7 New England Patriots 26 135 17 65.4
The players with the most passing touchdowns insider the 20-yard line:
PLAYER TEAM MOST TD PASSES New England Patriots 12 Buffalo Bills 9 8 8 8
And, the players with the most rushing touchdowns inside the 20-yard line:
PLAYER TEAM MOST RUSH TDs 6 Adrian Peterson 5 New England Patriots 5 Cam Newton 5 Buffalo Bills 4 4
Inside the redzone so far this year, quarterback Chad Henne was 8-for-21, with 4 touchdowns, and 1 interception. New starter Matt Moore has gone 1-for-1 inside the red zone, for 8 yards. In the rushing attack. Henne added one run for nine yards and a touchdown, while Reggie Bush has run the ball twice, for no yards, Lex Hilliard has 4 runs for 7 yards and a touchdown, and rookie Daniel Thomas has 4 carries for 11 yards.
As Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk says, "Red zone efficiency is imperative and determines outcomes of games. It's so important when you get into the red zone to put touchdowns on the board. The struggle is the field gets smaller, defenses get stout and they understand they only have to defend so much and the windows for opportunity are smaller.
"When you are efficient in the red zone, teams understand that defending 80 yards of the field becomes extremely important," says Faulk. "Because they know once you get inside the 20-yard line that points will be put on the board especially if you are a team that is efficient in scoring touchdowns."
Until the Dolphins solve the efficiency issue, they don't stand a chance this season.
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38% completions in the red zone...dismal for sure, but
How many of those incompletions were drops?
How many of those were throwaways to avoid a sack?
by DrJay32 on Oct 11, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And how many of them were caused by having Reggie Bush as the go-to back?
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this is exactly the point of contention
between henne lovers and people that don’t think so much of him.. the henny lover see all the yard he has put up and say what a great qb, others like me see how few points he has points he put up and say he will never make it
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 5:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think anyone is saying Henne is a great QB
But, he has improved. That’s what people are seeing.
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That is like saying...
…the 22 NBA teams that are losing money are doing better on the bottom-line because they aren’t losing any money during the lockout. Does it meet the definition of better…yes. Is it good enough…no.
There are a lot of other problems on this team besides Henne. Henne being better still amounted to 0-4. better? Yes. Good enough? No.
Didn't carpenter attempt a FG from inside the 5 in the texans game? It was blocked or missed I believe
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by GEtSICK13 on Oct 11, 2011 5:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I thought the exact same thing.....
But it’s not listed in the stats. So far for the year, he is showing 0/0 from inside the 20.
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by wild zion beaver on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a 22-yard FG
The ball was originally inside the 20, but the kick wasn’t. It’s still considered a Red Zone failure though.
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Does the stat refer to field goals of less than 20 yards? or just inside the 20?
The ball would have to be inside the 3 yard line then to be a 20 yard or less attempt. The line of scrimmage was the 5 yard line against the Texans..so it was a 22 yard attempt. So it must be on attempts of less than 20 yards right?
yes he's improved
he’s gone from almost the worst, to just fairly bad. 34 games, 33 td’s, 37 int’s. those numbers speak for themselves, were never going to win any games with henne. it’s time for a new qb, and front office.
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well if you are trying to point out that a guy is just as bad as he has always been would you not compare his more recent
numbers vs. his previous numbers? I am not saying that your wrong or that he is all that great but by taking his numbers as a total you can not measure any improvement unless of course you are trying to paint a biased picture.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well if you don't like those numbers
show me some you like better. perhaps if you have to try that hard find improvement there wasn’t much.
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not my point at all. He made a statement about "improvement" and you debated it with career stats. See my point?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yes his career stats for the phins suck
38.1 percent completion in the red zone,, I guess shows just how well he’s improved. Or perhaps you have some better numbers you’d like to put up.
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Talk about missing a point. I was not disagreeing with you on your base point and I am not going to go look them up. I was making
the point that your methodology was poor at best. If you are going to make a point at the very least use the proper stats to back it up. Showing a guys life time stats have no bearing on his current state if one person is claiming he has improved and your claiming he has not. Its not that hard to understand.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't put up his lifetime stats
those were his stats as a starter with the phins. I also put his current completion percentage in the red zone, 38.1
if you have some other stats that show this improvement please put them up.
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL I will give you this your stubborn if nothing else. You know the point I was making. Good luck!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
people say how much he has improved
0 and 4 just look like much to me. but if anyone has some stats showing this improvement that I keep hearing about, would you please put them up so I can see just how well he was doing.
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am not impressed with his improvement on the whole either. STILL NOT THE POINT I WAS MAKING!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
does your point include any stats?
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well no of course not but why would it? I was NOT arguing that your point was wrong. In fact I fucking
agree with you. I was making the point that your methodology was shit. There are no stats to back that up.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
we'll resign him at the leauge minium retain his rights!
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by wild zion beaver on Oct 11, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thx for the speedy reply!
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by wild zion beaver on Oct 11, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yw
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
they promised us competition for henne
they brought in matt moore, now we get to see what he can do, and I hope it doesn’t cost us luck as much as I’d like to see us win a couple of games, I don’t wanna see a loose luck.
by JImbo111 on Oct 11, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
the nfl has confirmed what should be common sense
Red zone scoring leads to winning.I wrote before the season on here that IMO the most important improvement that would lead to more wins is the td/fg ratio in the red zone.This is not a new problem for the dolphins, last year it was the same.The year before what helped them in the red zone was the use of the wildcat.
a td is 4 more points than a fg
kick 3 fgs instead of score 3 tds you lose 4+4+4=12 pts even if you score on one of those trips in the red zone that is a 4 point difference which only a td will trump
Almost every team in the NFL gets, on average, 4 possession in the scoring zone a game.
The Red Zone is considered the 20 yd line going in. The scoring zone (FG range) is the 30 yd line going in.
The teams that score more TD’s in that zone are the really good teams. The teams that kick FG’s are the average to bad teams. The good teams score 2 TD’s for every 1 FG. That 2/1 ratio is essential to scoring points in the NFL. The Dolphins last year were 0.86 TD’s to every 1 FG. That’s why they were 30th in the league in scoring. This year isn’t much better.
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scoring in the endzone leas to wins?
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