I Love How All the Fans Chanting for Orton earlier....

Why not agree? We have plenty of holes on the team and a Coaching Staff that seems like it doesn’t know how to use Personnel to the upmost abilities.

And I admit that he has struggled more than i expected this season, and likely isn’t the answer to either Miami or Denver.

Now, I’m not going to sit here and pretend that I expect Luck to come out and be spectacular right off the bat, but what I do expect is a quarterback with all the tangibles AND intangibles to come to Miami, learn the system, and progress… Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers and some of the other elite or borderline elite passers in the game right now did now absolutely excel in their first seasons, and hell, they had the luxury of sitting for a couple years behind solid starters… Luck will come in, and maybe he won’t be an immediate upgrade, but he will be a long term franchise quarterback.

That said, I do agree with you, it takes 53 guys to win games. We have tons of holes to fill, and one guy is not going to do the trick, but I’ll tell you what, having a quarterback and building around him is much easier than building a team without a quarterback.

One last point.

but usually it’s never more than 5-8 yards down the field and Welker does the rest

About a month or month and a half ago, Mosul wrote a post responding to someone about deep passes with a bunch of statistics referencing the best QB’s in comparison to Henne. There was a ton of debate about explosive offenses, Daboll’s aggressiveness, etc. etc…

Here’s my point:

Most productive, explosive offenses are “explosive” and have long yardage plays because of what players (receivers and backs) do when they have the ball in their hands. It is NOT necessary to throw beyond 20 yards to get big plays… It IS necessary to call a creative offensive game plan where players are not only running good routes, but in position to block for others who may be targets in that play.

So ultimately… There are a lot of holes, including at the head coach position. But a QB is the primary hole in my honest opinion. Many things can fix themselves with a good quarterback.

but was the solid base to contruct the answer…

in this 21 Century NFL, the QB’s are the base to contruct the team…
take the Colts like example…

Its all well known the Colts offense was contructed around the Peyton Manning abilities… but the defense was contructed in same way… what you need of the defense with the colts? a prevenetive defense to can mantain the advantages created by the ofense… can have frontline agresive, but the defensive back was conservative and almost all time play safe…

whats happens this year? with out the offense production, the defense was forced to be more agresive… and have trouble with that… the spend 10 year playing in other way…

For one, I only liked Orton if the price is right (4th rounder and no big contract). I wasn’t big on him and I’m still not.

Now, as far as Luck, I hate how people try to say we shouldn’t put all our hopes on him. Nobody is doing that, but that doesn’t mean you pass on Luck if you have the chance. No, it doesn’t guarantee you’ll win anything with him, but if he pans out, it will be easier to win with him than say a top notch WR, RB, or any other position. Elite QBs do that to a team. Miami still has flaws, much like New England and Indy has flaws, but elite QBs can help conceal them. You mention Miami has major holes and they do. QB happens to be one of the major holes. Henne is hurt, is in the final year of the contract, and hasn’t proved to be a franchise QB despite his improvement this year. It’s sad and I like Henne because he does have potential, but so far it is the truth.

Now, as far as schemes, I am raising the BS flag on this one. Yes, schemes help. It can either make a player shine brighter or put them in a bad position where it is hard to succeed. You can’t pin everything on scheme. If that was the case, Miami could just go out and hire someone from the GB or NO staff and be a top offensive team. It doesn’t work like that. It is why people from the Belichek branch and other elite coaching staffs go out and fail. They try to bring the system, don’t have as great of players, and look bad. Josh McDaniels anyone? The Denver offense actually regressed even though he came from the high octane New England offense. Scheme alone did not work. Otherwise if it was just the scheme, teams wouldn’t pay the Welkers, Johnsons, Bradys, or Mannings so much money to stay on their team. They’d just take the next average NFL player and plug and play.

You want to know why Welker is one of the best WRs out there? Partly because of scheme, partly because he has an elite QB throwing to him. Want to know why Calvin Johnson now looks like a complete beast and perhaps the best WR out there (yes, he always looked great, but he’s on a differet level this year)? Because he finally has a healthy, good QB throwing him the ball. Look at those who are considered the best WRs in the NFL. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, and Roddy White. Outside of Larry Fitzgerald, they all have competent QBs throwing them the ball, but even Fitzgerald’s TDs were cut by over 50% with poor QB play last year. How’s Reggie Wayne doing in the same system without Peyton Manning throwing him the ball? He’s on pace for for 70 receptions, 1,062 yards, and 3 TDs. That is a far cry from the the previous 5 seasons where he averaged 97 receptions, 1,317 yards, and 8 TDs.

So, finally, I’d like to say I do agree with you. Andrew Luck himself is not the answer. Nobody truly believes that. But he will get us closer to where we need to be than someone like Matt Kalil or Trent Richardson will. He can also do it faster. QBs tend to do that. After all, what was the main reason the Colts were able to consistently score over 400 points per season from 1999 until now? Was it Edge? No, they’ve been scoring that much without him. Was it Marvin Harrison? They were scoring less with him and still scored 400+ after him. It’s probably not Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne either. The Colts have scored 400+ points ever since Peyton Manning’s second season when he matured as a QB.

I don’t disagree about the QB position being one of the most important on the field. It is without a doubt. Players have to execute schemes. I am simply pointing out that either our guys aren’t good enough in getting open or they are running poorly designed simple routes. And our offensive formations are way way too predictable. Unfortunately, I don’t have the luxury to sit on my couch & isolate the tv screen on the WR’s routes and see what types they are running and how open or not they are. I wish there was a better way they could actually show that on TV to get a true idea. BUT what I do know is that IF I can sit here on my couch and predict their offensive plays (particularly and especially) in the RED ZONE what do you think the opposing defensive coordinators are doing?

By the way, I think we do have a “Welker” in Brian Hartline but he’s not used in a similar role. Once again, this is philosophy and scheme and putting your talented guys in the right roles and positions to make plays.

I’m getting way off on a tangent here and I apologize it’s just that I get so frustrated when I hear so many people clamoring for that ONE GUY.

I like you like Henne. The biggest reason I like him was that he is a class act, never bitched or complained and was always, I repeat always about the team first! That alone is the types of personaities I would want to build an organization around. I know personalities alone don’t get you to the Super Bowl, talent does, but right now fans need to come to grips that we are still lacking more than just ONE guy.

Orton is no different than any other QB when faced with pressure,they become just average and if Tebow couldn’t run he would be in the same boat in Denver.Behind every perfectly placed bomb,the QB has all day to throw the large majority of the time but it seems this goes unnoticed.

Just a quick search at PFR and you’ll see that teams who are good year in and year out have OLs that have been together for quite some time.I only checked Pitt.,SD,GB,NE,NO,Atl,Balt.and Det. but it sure seems most of the good teams have stability on the OL..the same holds true for the Dynasties of yesteryear.