Latest rumors regarding Miami Dolphins head coaching situation
by Matty I on Jan 4, 2011 11:59 PM EST
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To answer my question from this morning: no, Tuesday is not the day we receive any clarity on the situation in Miami. In fact, if anything, things are as unclear as ever. So let's get to the latest reports (aka the most recent rumors and/or speculation).
While current head coach Tony Sparano is left twisting in the wind, the Dolphins are reportedly reaching out to some potential head coaching candidates. The two names most heavily being considered, according to most reports, are Jim Harbaugh and Bill Cowher.
However it's looking less and less likely that Cowher will be the guy. Reports from multiple sources (yesterday it was Jason La Canfora, today it's Jeff Darlington) claim Bill simply wants too much control. He reportedly would want to clean house in Miami and bring in his own coaching staff and his own personnel people. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross, however, wants to keep GM Jeff Ireland and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan at the very least.
So for now, things have cooled on the Cowher front.
Harbaugh seems to be the top target for Ross and the Dolphins. Multiple reports, including this one from the Sun-Sentinel, claim that Harbaugh and the Dolphins have had "exploratory talks" already. But the Dolphins will have heavy competition for Harbaugh's services.
The 49ers reportedly promoted Trent Baalke to general manager. And now Peter King, as well as others, believe that Harbaugh will join Baalke in San Francisco by week's end at the latest. Jason La Canfora adds that Harbaugh is indeed Baalke's primary target.
Others in the media, though, question whether or not Harbaugh would be willing to work with Baalke over, say, Michael Lombardi - who was the other finalist for the GM gig in San Francisco. Local reports do claim that the Niners got Harbaugh's consent before officially promoting Baalke to his new GM position.
If that's true, then all that Ross and the Dolphins could do to lure Harbaugh from the west coast would be to open up their wallets and overpay the man. With a potential lockout looming, I'm no so sure Ross would be willing to do that.
One name that we can cross off the list is Jon Gruden. Jeff Darlington was told by his source that "he is not going to replace Sparano."
As far as a timetable goes, this situation could drag on for quite a bit more. Darlington was told that Ross is "approaching this process with a day-to-day mentality - it is not an hour-to-hour situation." So that means we all should prepare for at least a few more days of rumors and speculation, with anonymous sources being the center of attention.
My two cents
At this point, I'm getting pretty bored of this entire situation. I really don't think it's fair for Ross and the Dolphins to treat Tony Sparano like this. If they want to fire him, then fire him. If not, tell him he's staying for one more season. But making the guy just wait it out is completely ridiculous.
Sparano isn't stupid. He knows he's just their "fall back option." I can only imagine the awkward situation down at the team's facility in Davie right now. Sparano should be pissed. Hell - I'm pissed and it's not my job hanging in the balance.
One thing I really don't understand is why Ross is so committed to Jeff Ireland. I don't see how Sparano is more to blame than Ireland for the team's struggles these past two seasons. They share equal responsibility. If anything, Ireland deserves more of the blame.
Sparano didn't ask for Chad Henne. He didn't ask for Pat White. He didn't sign the numerous free agent disappointments that the team spent money on these past few years. You want to blame him for the mess along the offensive line? That's fair. I blame him for that, too.
But I don't see how Ireland should be a sticking point here - particularly regarding Bill Cowher. If Ros really believes Bill would be an upgrade over Sparano, I don't see how he could pass on him just because he would get rid of Ireland. Is Ireland really worth passing up on a head coach that you see as an upgrade?
I'll end this with a final tweet from Jeff Darlington:
Finally, Miami is still leaving itself open to cleaning house entirely, including Ireland. But Ireland is "most likely safe," source says.
Leaving themselves open to cleaning house? I'd imagine that has to mean Ross is still considering Cowher. And like I said, if he truly feels like Cowher is an upgrade at head coach, I don't see why letting go of Ireland along with Sparano is such an issue.
One thing I think we can all agree on, though, is that this drama needs to come to a conclusion as soon as possible.
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Maybe they're trying to get Harbaugh
With Cowher as option 2. Maybe they don’t really want to clean house, but they will if they can’t get Harbaugh….I don’t know….
Man I can’t help but feel bad for Sparano….all the hatters gonna do what they do with that comment, but he brought some good things around here….guess he should have replaced both coordinators last year….he got one right, hopefully Nolan survives this mess…
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Just not excited about a coach that will come in and hire his own guys...
God forbid that defense has to learn a new scheme. Nolan has to stay…has too or this will be a big mistake regardless or coach. Anyone want Gruden? I like his offensive mind…..his true love and grit for the game and passion. He might ruffle some feathers though….and he is soo wishy washy on QB’s….never once drafted a QB. Always brought in the vet. Did I just answer my own question?? I just don’t see harbaugh doing well here. I really don’t…. I"m not the most optimistic guy in the world but talk about a hand full coming out of the college. It worked for his brother because he already had a veteran leader in the clubhouse. Ray Lewis. Hell thats another coach. We don’t have that…all right boys we’re off till wednesday. Stay off South Beach!! Watch the film…be ready to go on Wednesday. Ray lewis prob. hunted those guys down in Baltimore. I just wish Miami was a real football town. LIke Pittsburgh, NE, or GB.
by Phins4life2334 on Jan 5, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
gotta agree with you here
I hope it’s sorted out soon, it’s a long offseason for Miami and I think Ross needs to just keep Sparano and worry about bringing in a stud Off Coordinator. Unless this is some sort of plan to steal some hype back from the blazing hot Miami Heat…
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I agree with you about Ireland shoudn't be a sticking point but I Still don't agree with
I don’t see how Sparano is more to blame than Ireland for the team’s struggles these past two seasons. They share equal responsibility. If anything, Ireland deserves more of the blame.
Got a question for ya
Sparano didn’t ask for Chad Henne. He didn’t ask for Pat White. He didn’t sign the numerous free agent disappointments that the team spent money on these past few years.
Did Sparano ask for Cameron Wake? Devone Bess? Brandon Marshal? How bout Karlos Dansby?
Yes/No?
Did Ireland lose home games to far less talented teams like Browns, Bills, Lions? Lose this team to a 38-7 embarrassing score. Ireland did that bad of a job to share responsibility for this? Is it Ireland’s fault that while we were still in the playoff picture we fell flat on our face and lost 2 straight games to end the past 2 season. I seriously doubt it Matty.
C’mon Man!
I really don’t think it’s fair for Ross and the Dolphins to treat Tony Sparano like this. If they want to fire him, then fire him. If not, tell him he’s staying for one more season. But making the guy just wait it out is completely ridiculous.
I kinda agree with this, but if someone was paying me millions and I had to wait and see if I was gonna get paid millions to take next year off, they could take their time to be honest.
One thing I think we can all agree on, though, is that this drama needs to come to a conclusion as soon as possible.
Yup. I’m not getting paid millions and still have to work.
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 12:43 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Excuse me
lost 3 straight games to end the past 2 seasons.***********
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As much as I'd like to feel bad for Tony Sparano....
He knows how the NFL works. You can’t play the sympathy card when you work in an industry that demands results. All that matters is Wins & Losses and so far he has put too many L’s out there. He put himself in this situation by not making adjustments and having his QB / OC make sure no changes were made to plays on the field even though they would benefit our team.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jan 5, 2011 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
Did Sparano ask for Cameron Wake? Devone Bess? Brandon Marshal? How bout Karlos Dansby?
Yes/No?
Did Ireland lose home games to far less talented teams like Browns, Bills, Lions? Lose this team to a 38-7 embarrassing score. Ireland did that bad of a job to share responsibility for this? Is it Ireland’s fault that while we were still in the playoff picture we fell flat on our face and lost 2 straight games to end the past 2 season. I seriously doubt it Matty.
I agree. If anyone remembers my last fanpost it said Ireland deserves one more year. I guess Ross is looking at it from our point of view.
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by 54 on Jan 5, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a question. How much say has Sparano had when it comes to Players?
At this point I want both Sparano and Ireland gone. Ireland shouldn’t be allowed to skate on his grandpa’s shoelaces. You seem to loss touch with the fact that Sparano has to form a team with the player that Ireland is giving him. You want to know why the special teams suck? Maybe it’s because Ireland has been looking for to many accorns. An I know you weren’t one of the guys that pointed out the heavy roster churn at the begining of the season? Maybe you were? I believe everyone was saying they were just second stringers or depth.
It’s funny because I was calling for Sparano’s head after I saw what he was doing with the offensive line. An I know you’ve been callin for his head for a while. We should maybe step back and look at what really is the problem. I always seem to attract weasels like Ireland in my life. Their the guys that are your best friend until the chips are down. They seem to always throw blame on the other guy. I think Irelands hand has shown sense the final 53 cut down. That’s when Parcells up and leaves throwing stones about draft pick as he goes. Now we find out that Ireland has connections with Peterson. WTF. Go figure. Jeffy Boy is driving the bus. YOU KNOW WHAT IS REALLY NICE? I bet if Tony Sparano resigns he doesn’t get paid. They are hoping Sparano resigns due to pride. How would u feel being placed in this position. Gee Thanks Jeff old buddy. Yeah Sparano should go because his team didn’t step up. So should Ireland.
Brian Billick is the last option in my book and could be the best option if Ross wants to keep Nolan and Ireland. Even Billick is going to want some say in Player/Personel. Jeff Ireland is not Ozzie Newsome. Look at the great Franchises and you will see a Top Notch GM. GM could be the most important position we are hiring for not QB and not a HC.
I still find it hard to believe that Sparano
has NO SAY in the guys he coaches as Matty (i guess) is suggesting.
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a safe bet none of us are getting paid millions...
But just because that the pay scale for NFL coaches, doesn’t make it right. You’re paying for a man’s time and tallent, not his soul.
I agree with Matty…tell TS he’s the man now, or fire him…but hanging him in the shed while you look for a fatter hog is not the way to do it.
What gets lost here, and Matty’s aluding to it…is this looks bad on Ross and the upper management. How they treat Sparano now is an indication of how they’ll treat any coach they hire.
If I’m Harbaugh, who presumably is getting millions at Standord, thinking about more millions from San Fran or Denver, I’m looking past the millions (which I’m going to get regardless) and thinking about who I’m going to work for. For NFL head coaches it’s not about the $$$ it’s about control, stability, support and security…it doesn’t matter if it’s Cowher (who came from one of the best and the stable ownerships in the history of the NFL) , Harbaugh, Fisher, Rodriguez or even Nolan…..Ross is not currently demonstrating the behaviour a coach would be looking for in an owner.
Let’s just say the Phish don’t find a better option and TS comes back and finishes his contract next year. If we have a good year and make the playoffs the shoe will be on the other foot….it will be Sparano looking for a better option and Ross who will have to convince him to stay. How many millions will that take?
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Standord??? Stanford ..I hab a colb.
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you had a Kevin?
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
If only....
He’b be a debinit ubgrabe.
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You’re paying for a man’s time and tallent, not his soul.
His soul? Really?
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry...too metaphorical?
To be literal…NFL owners own franchises, not the people who work for them…they’re employees, not property.
Tony Sparano signed a contract to work for the Dolphins, he didn’t make a deal with the Devil which requires him to be happy about the fact he’s apparently on the shelf waiting for Ross to find a shinier toy to play with.
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Then you know what?
Do your job so your not put into this position. Beat lowly teams at home, make changes in your staff that you need to make.
If Sparano don’t like waiting on Ross, he can always walk away. Of course, he’ll be walking away from millions, but if Sparano doesn’t like how he is been treated, do what what other employees do, QUIT!
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you awake?? Did anyone read or hear JT, RW and BM????
I agree with much of what was written. Of the few remaing Henne fans, they blame Henning and Sporano for Henne’s failures and although I may not agree with that completely, there is definately some validity to those comments!! Henne has clearly gotten progressively worse as a QB!!!
All 3 players stated Sporano is rigid and micromanages everything. Players aren’t having fun anymore and are so afraid of failing, they are incapable of playing loose and WINNING GAMES!! No wonder this team falls apart at the END OF EVERY GAME and cant pull out a WIN!
After listening to 3 top players comments, Ross has 2 choices. 1) keep Sporano and GUARANTEE FAILURE or 2) Move on and get another coach!!
Anyone who wastes their time reading these posts (I am including myself) knows the scoop! I don’t think I need to reiterate the comments of JT, RW and BM.
HOW CAN ANYONE STILL WANT SPORANO AS THE DOLPHINS OR RATHER THE DULPHINS COACH????
by davebuc on Jan 5, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see Ricky Williams as a good barometer of anyone's ability to motivate.
Not too many dope-smokin naturalphathic yoga-rollin downward dawgs in the coaching world.
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Keeping Sparano is a guaranteed failure? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
We were 7-9 this year. We were not 1-15. We did that with a genuinely bad QB. Not to mention we were screwed out of another win by bad officiating, and a few of our losses were from close games. Our other biggest problem was offensive play calling, which is something Sparano will probably do something about now by getting a new OC. To say that we just couldn’t possibly pick up a couple more wins and a playoff spot next year if we avoid the injury bug (especially on the O-line) is just being a downer for the sake of complaining. He may not be the best coach in the NFL, but he still does have a winning record as a head coach after taking over a pretty bad team.
I would like to see Henning gone after this season, but for those of you calling for Sparano's head, I have five words for you: Johnson, Wannstedt, Bates, Saban, Cameron.
Totally agree Neo, took the words right outta my mouth.
Which is good. I really wasn’t feeling up to replying.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
re: latest rumours
have been hearing that ireland and sparano made a very good impression with ross, that and having to pay sparano for his last year of his contract, should mean he is safe for at least one more year….?
If Sparano is here next year its like Matty said
because he couldn’t get that “upgrade” coach. They can say what they want, if he made that much of an impression he would just cam out and said Sparano was staying. Instead we seem to have all this backdoor stuff going on. I find it interesting that Ross hasn’t come out and said Ireland is staying, even though that is word of mouth.
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My deepest fear is this...
With all that’s gone on already, this puts Sparano on very thin Ice….meaning that if he starts next season 0-2, he’s immediately fired. That in itself sets our team up for the first draft pick in 2012 which is not where I think this team needs to be.
If Ross isn’t convinced that TS can get the job done, then he needs to move on and get someone who can. If he does believe TS can make the changes necessary to draw fans and win games, then give him full support and prepare the team for next year.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jan 5, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
If they let him go its true they are on the hook for his salry but he will have a job before next
season and then the Phins would only owe him the difference if any.
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Is Ron McGill still a candidate should Sparano get the ax?
He’s no Harbaugh or Cowher, but he definitely knows his Dolphins.
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by JP 23 on Jan 5, 2011 12:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
My Idea
I think for the most part, if we bring in an offensive coordinator who can bring some firepower to our pop gun, dink and dunk offense. With Nolan still as our Def coor, we could be fine. Now there is a need for someone to distibute the ball and most importantly. FIX the offensive line!!!Never was a fan of Henne, but most of all, i’m a dolphin fan no matter who is on the team.
Sparano brought this on himself.
I don’t feel bad for him and he should be feeling the heat. I like the way Ross works. Brilliant guy from what I can see.
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I feel bad for us
because Sparano didn’t fire Henning when he was clearly a major problem in our offense. It cost us any chance at the playoffs. Which leads me into agreeing with:
Sparano brought this on himself.
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
If he stays I hope he learned to stand up and take action. That whats it takes to be a head coach. Fiddling his thumbs and cheer-leading doesn’t get it done.
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by 54 on Jan 5, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
When I wake up I shall expect a resolution.
Thursday is the day I’m expected to put out the trash (here in Nashville).
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Just Remember, New coach = New system
And if there is a lockout, that is less time for the team to learn the new system. This reason alone is why coaches Like Kubiak, Del Rio and Coughlin have not lost their jobs this year! So if this is the case what makes everyone calling for sparano’s hean NOW think that it will be beeter for the team? Lets say we hire Harbaugh or Cohwer and they install a completely new offense(going to assume that Nolan stays on) Come next year the team finishes 6-10 is everyone going to be calling for the new coaches head the new QB? Nobody seems to want to address the fact that with a lockout comes no free agency, no OTA’s no draft signings( we may draft players, but what happens if the whole year is lost, does the team still retain the rights to those players? I’m playing devils advocate here, but these are serious things to think about, that even MATTY has negleted to mention in his wishing for Sparano to be gone!
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This is how NFL football goes.
For better or worse.
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You have a point, but
Alot of people on this site calling for all this change thinking that it will automatically fix everything and get the phins into the playoffs do not understandthe big picture going on these days
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Alot of people on this site calling for all this change thinking that it will automatically fix everything
Thats not true. We just see things that need to be fixed which isn’t being fixed. If you leave things that need to be fixed unattended, they usually get worse. We want someone that can fix these things.
Lets say we hire Harbaugh or Cohwer and they install a completely new offense
Saying we are gonna have to get a new QB and probably a fresh set of RBs, NOW would be the best time to implement this “new offense”.
A couple of PSs-)
Coughlin kept his job because he didn’t deserve to be fired. And you trying to tell me that the NFL is gonna throw away Billions by not playing the entire year of 11? Lets keep this real.
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I am keeping this real
How much did Baseball throw away by cancelling a world series over a CBA with players? How badly did the NHL suffer by locking out players and cancelling a season +??
I agree that there probably will be some football in 2011 if not the whole season, but you are not “keeping it real” if you just assume that there will be an agreement in place by March 4th.
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You should read this posting Neo
and tell me that a new coach, a new QB, new RB’s and a whole new system are a great idea at this stage??
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Yes I have read that
I also know there is gonna be alot of going back and forth. I’m not into letting 1 article into dooming the upcoming entire NFL season.
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
To answer your question, yes
immediately, right off, nope its not gonna help. In the long run absolutely. If we are all wanting a 1st rd pick “franchise QB” we are accepting that it is gonna take time for him to grow. Meaning we aren’t expectin to do much anyways. So why not?
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Never said it would be in place by March 4
just said we weren’t gonna miss the entire 11 season as you implied.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
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by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I said "If the whole season is lost"
In that I was refering to the fact that a drafted player that goes unsigned for a year can re-enter the draft the following year.
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I keep hearing about a "fresh set of RBs"....
but don’t we have Kory Sheets in the wings? Plus you have Cobbs and Hilliard who never really get much of a chance to play. I’d like to think that Sheets could be that home run kind of guy with his speed as long as he stays healthy. I would love to pickup Mark Ingram in the draft though.
According to Bmarsh, I say stick with Thigpen – Pickup Mark Ingram and patch up the O-line (bring back Donald Thomas for run blocking!).
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jan 5, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
k
You would feel completely safe going into a season with those guys at RB?
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
by Neo on Jan 5, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Barry Sanders...
…has a son. He’s a RB and will be in college soon…….. www.ImJustSaying.com
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Ya...Walter Payton had a son who was a RB too...
Doesn’t always work that way.
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True but Barrys kid looks to be the real deal but of course you do not know
until they hit the next level. That being said the video on the kid is amazing even if it is just HS.
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I really like Tony ...
Hard for me to condone treating this guy like sh*t. I like his grit, style, way of dealing with people. Now Ricky is saying he didn’t like his full on training pedantry nit-picking. Damn, weren’t we all asking for a ball-breaker after the cam-cam crash.
Pogue Mahone Rex Ryan
true that.
But times change bro. I completly agree with Matty that parting ways with Tony but keeping Jeff Ireland on is extremly unfair. Id also question Jeff Irelands character if hed be willing to do that. As for Tony its gut wrenching. Leaving him waiting like this, especially as Ross looks for other options is unfair as well. Personally i want Tony back. I agree with you about his character, and most importantly, even though he does carry blame this season, both in personnel decisions that havent panned out most notably on the O-line and possibly Chad, i feel as though hes earned alot of credibility throughout his tenure as well. That he is capable of fixing some of these deals and help our team moving forward.
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does anyone know
if we did sign Bill Cowher, and he did clean house. who might he bring in to fill the FO?
im not as think as you drunk i am occifer.....
Yea!
That’s what we need. Sparano! I personally think, if he just showed a little more energy on the 3 pt. fist pumping, that would do it. Maybe he cpuld learn to do a running flip, what do you think?
I said last night to my brother...
The Dolphins should trade 3 first round picks to get Andrew Luck at #1.
I know I will get ripped for this by those who treasure draft picks like they are a chest of gold but if you KNEW Luck was going to be a franchise QB like Sam Bradford became this year… wouldn’t you trade 3 first round picks for him? Only question is do we know Andrew Luck is going to be an absolute stud?
On top of that, if the Dolphins traded to the top pick to get Andrew Luck… don’t you think Jim Harbaugh would follow? If thats what we want?
In reality, this isn’t going to happen. Everyone knows that Jimmy Clausen is absoluely horrid (wasn’t hard to predict that as I am getting a free Thai food lunch because I bet the panthers would have under 4 wins). The Carolina Panthers aren’t going to trade out of the top spot and they are going to take Luck (if he comes out).
I just said a lot but, would YOU trade 3 first round picks for Andrew Luck? I would. Then again, I would prob trade a first round pick for Doug Fluie because he would have been more valuable than Jared Odrick this season.
If I were convinced that he would turn in to a top 5 guy after I watched all the film and had
all his workouts to look at then sure. The thing is that you had better be damn sure that he is that guy or you just set the franchise back by trading picks that each should (in theory) turn i to a starter and thus an upgrade at some position. Its all a gamble and a very difficult decision to make especially if your the guy making it and your job is on the line.
I agree that it will not happen as officials with the Panthers have already stated that if he comes out they will take him. Now it could all be a bluff to drive up the price of the first overall pick.
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Would you still make that trade if Henning was going to be the OC
for the next 2 or 3 years ?
by firedanhenningnow on Jan 6, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Nolan
I noticed that every post on here, treats Nolan as the savior of “D”. The “D” collapsed many times during the season. Allowing teams to complete 3rd down plays no matter what the yardage was. Was the “D” better last year than before? Yes ! Was it the best “D” I’ve ever seen? Not by a long shot. If Nolan has to leave in order to get a coach with some credentials, I think that’s a good trade. Is Nolan a bad coach? No way, but he is not the savior everyone thought he would be before he came. Me included.
Is anyone here awake??? Havent' you heard or read comments by Jason Taylor, Ricky Williams and Brandon Marshall????????????????
I agree with much of what was written. Of the few remaing Henne fans, they blame Henning and Sporano for Henne’s failures and although I may not agree with that completely, there is definately some validity to those comments!! Henne has clearly gotten progressively worse as a QB!!!
All 3 players stated Sporano is rigid and micromanages everything. Players aren’t having fun anymore and are so afraid of failing, they are incapable of playing loose and WINNING GAMES!! No wonder this team falls apart at the END OF EVERY GAME and cant pull out a WIN!
After listening to 3 top players comments, Ross has 2 choices. 1) keep Sporano and GUARANTEE FAILURE or 2) Move on and get another coach!!
Anyone who wastes their time reading these posts (I am including myself) knows the scoop! I don’t think I need to reiterate the comments of JT, RW and BM.
HOW CAN ANYONE STILL WANT SPORANO AS THE DOLPHINS OR RATHER THE DULPHINS COACH????
by davebuc on Jan 5, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mornin' boys
I’m a tad slow – not enough caffeine just yet this morning.
CEO and Founder of the Draft Ryan Mallett bandwagon.
Jeff Ireland
IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!! HE HAS PROVIDED THIS TEAM WITH THE TALENT TO BE CONSIDERED “UNDERACHIEVING” A MERE 3 YEARS AFTER 1-15. THIS TEAM WAS BANKRUPT BEFORE HE GOT HERE. NOW WE HAVE JAKE LONG, CAMERON WAKE, KALROS DANSBY, BRANDON MARSHALL, VONTAE DAVIS AMONG OTHERS, ALL OF WHICH ACQUIRED BY IRELAND. TONY SPARANO IS THE PROBLEM!!! i CAN’T STAND THE WAY MATTY DEFENDS THE PERSON HOLDING THIS TEAM DOWN WHILE CRITICIZING THE ONLY ONE DOING HIS JOB CORRECTLY. BEING A GENERAL MANAGER IS A HIT OR MISS JOB. EVERY ONE OF THEM MAKES MISTAKES, IT IS A MATTER OF DOING MORE POSITIVE THEN NEGATIVE, AND MAKING SMALL MISTAKES BUT NOT BIG ONES. HE HASN’T MISSED ON ANY FIRST ROUND PICKS, HE HAS FOUND 3 OR 4 STARTERS IN EVERY DRAFT, AND HE FOUND AN ALL PRO PASS RUSHER OUT OF THIN AIR.
YES, HE HAS MISSED ON A FEW FREE AGENTS, WHO GIVES A S***??? EVERY TEAM MISSES ON FREE AGENTS BECAUSE IT IS A CRAPSHOOT. THE REASON THEY ARE FREE AGENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE LAST TEAM GAVE UP ON THEM, UNLESS IN THE RARE CASE A GUY IS TOO EXPENSIVE ALA DANSBY. I DON’T FAULT IRELAND FOR ATTEMPTING TO UPGRADE POSITIONS THROUGH FREE AGENCY WHEN THAT WAS THE ONLY OPTION. HE ONLY GETS SO MANY DRAFT PICKS. HOW ABOUT THIS? WE GO BACK IN TIME, DON’T SING JAKE GROVE, AND DRAFT ALEX MACK INSTEAD OF VONTAE DAVIS? DOES THAT MAKE THINGS BETTER. HE DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO FOR A TEA,M THAT WAS SHORT ON TALENT.
YES, HE HAS MISSED ON 2ND ROUND PICKS. THE PAT WHTE PICK WAS AWFUL. HE ALSO GOT 3 STARTERS IN THE SECONDARY IN THAT DRAFT. AND AS FAR THE MISTAKES MADE DRAFTING ALONG THE INTERIOR LINE, WE ALL KNOW TONY HAD A HAND IN DRAFTING JOHN JERRY. JEFF IRELAND HAS BROUGHT THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS TO THIS TEAM VIA FA, TRADES , OR DRAFT
LOUSAKA POLITE
BRANDON MARSHALL
DAVONE BESS
BRIAN HARTLINE
ANTHONY FASANO
JAKE LONG
NATE GARNER
RICHIE INCOGNITO
RANDY STARKS
TONY MCDANIEL
JARED ODRICK
KENDALL LANGFORD
KOA MISI
CAMERON WAKE
KARLOS DANSBY
SEAN SMITH
VONTAE DAVIS
CHRIS CLEMONS
DAN CARPENTER
GIBRIL WILSON, AND PAT WHITE ARE THE ONLY TWO MISTAKES THAT I FEEL WE CAN RIGHTLY CRITICIZE JEFF IRELAND FOR. OTHER THAN THAT, I CHALK EVERY OTHER “MISTAKE” TO TRYING TO FIZ A BROKEN TEAM WITH INJURY PRONE VETERANS THAT ARE BETTER THEN WHAT YOU HAVE ALA JUSTIN SMILEY, JAKE GROVE, OR MISSING ON A FEW DRAFT PICKS EVERY YEAR JUST LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. HE HAS NOT FOUND A QB YETTTT….THAT IS HIS JOB GOING INTO THIS SEASON, AND I NOW THINK HE KNOWS GOING THE SAFE ROUTE WON’T WORK. WITHOUT BILL PARCELLS AND TONY SPARANO BREATHING DOWN HIS NECK, JUST LIKE THE MARSHALL MOVE LAST YEAR WHICH WAS IRELAND’S OWN, I THINK HE WILL DO WHAT IS NECCESARY AND GO ALL IN ON A QB. IN SUMMATION, I BELIEVE IN JEFF IRELAND, I DONT BELIEVE IN TONY SPARANO. SPARANO IS HOLDING THIS TEAM BACVK WITH HIS CONSERVATIVE PHILOPSPHY AND MICROMANAGING. HE IS A GOOD MOTIVATOR, BUT HE IS A POOR FOOTBALL MIND. WE NEED A CHANGE AT COACH, NOT AT GM
Nate Garner? Really? We're praising Ireland because he signed a quality back-up (who missed the entire season by the way)?
I’m not disagreeing with you, I just find it ridiculous that you added Nate Garner of all players to that list.
The only thing I would argue with you is, how many of these moves were made by Parcells himself?
Writer at MockingTheDraft.com. Does this make me a "Draft Expert"? lol.
by JP 23 on Jan 5, 2011 10:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hartline is a good player
if you don’t see that you are blind, and as far as Nate Garner goes, I give the FO praise for scooping Garner from the Jets as he has become at worst a solid, versatile backup. And at best, he could be a future starter as he has shown potential as a pass blocker. I understand the critique of Garner’s inclusion, the Hartline thing I just don’t get? Just another case of fans not even knowing who is good on their own team. Do you think it is a coincidence Hartline draws a pass interference call nearly every game? It is because he is a great route runner with above average long speed, with better qb play and a better sytem he could be real productive in this league.
I'm glad that
you fixed your BILLY MAYS KEY. I think it was stuck on your first comment up there.
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by mullertime on Jan 5, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BAHAHA!!!
Billy Mays Key…“whadaya yellin’ at?!?!?!???”
CEO and Founder of the Draft Ryan Mallett bandwagon.
by DolphinNation on Jan 5, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree in part but some flaws in your comments
I agree there are some good players on that list and I agree Sparano is to blame for the way he has handled the teams in some aspects. But the real major issue here as far as the coach is offensive philosophy of Parscells, which the same as Sparanos. . Its the philosophy of the head coach that influences how the OC runs the game plan for the week.
Now as far as Ireland/Parcells they brought in some nice talent via draft and free agency I give you that. But what position have they failed miserably to address? QUARTERBACK!!!!! Just like previous regimes. I noticed QB is not on your list there. Until that happens they’re are going no where as a franchise. I really don’t know what Ireland said to save his job (for now) and maybe he pinned it on Parchells on the failure of bring in a QB. But I have to go back to 2008 when Management passed on Matt Ryan for Jake Long and wasted number one 2nd round pick on that underachiever Philip Merling and then few picks later followed that up with the Henne pick. They could’ve picked a franchise QB in Ryan and traded both seconder rounders to get back in first round and draft LT Ryan Clady from Boise State who by the way made the Pro Bowler his first 2 years. Remember Quarterbacks building franchises not offensive linemen. That is why I blame management and that’s why there as much to blame as coach Sparano. Fix the QB issues Miami and everything else will fall in place.
I don't think you can give him credit for Jared Odrick just yet
The guy hasn’t played yet. Let’s see if he can stay healthy first
2011 - The Year of the Dolphin
Chip Kelly -Oregon head coach for next Dolphins coach Bandwagon
You should do your research and not just name the good picks. There are 2x-3x as many fails that all cost money and time.
Here is are two paragraphs from a piece Mando did DEC 24.
All six draft picks made the team this year. In fact, on the day teams set their initial 53 man rosters this season, the Falcons had 31 of their own draft picks on the team, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. That was fourth highest in the NFL.
The Dolphins had 21 of their own picks on their roster which was tied with the Jets for the league’s second lowest total.
The Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins – organizations that have often set the standard for how to mess up in the NFL – had the league’s lowest total of draft picks on their respective rosters. They each had 17.
that is because they don't
have a single player left on the roster from the 2006 or 2007 draft besides brandon fields and paul soliai…not because of jeff ireland or this organization. do your research!
Roster Churn? Look it up.
The Falcon’s give you a good baseline to compare to. Similar change at the same time as the Dolphins. What your saying is because we can’t compare what our team drafted before 2008. Maybe you should realize that 60-70% of our current scouts worked for the Dolphins before Ireland came in. So you have the same people evaluating talent. An thats pro and college scouts. I believe we turned 19 player in the first 3 week of the season. That was the highest in the NFL at the time. Those weren’t injury replacements. An that is not a FO putting the final touches on a playoff team. That to me is a team in constant rebuild or up-grade mode. You can’t have a team with that type of turnover.
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEE’S OUR DRAFT’S BEING OUT OF SINK WITH THE TALENT IN THE DRAFTS THE LAST 3 YEARS. AN PLEASE DON’T MAKE A LIST OF JUST THE GOOD FAs WE’VE PICKED UP. THERE ARE PLENTY OF MISSES OTHER THEN THE 2-3 YOU LISTED. TAKE THE AQUA COLORED GLASSES OFF BROTHER.
The more we drag this out the worse it becomes.
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I'd hate to see Nolan get cleaned out...
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"Let's kick their ass and get the hell out of here!" -- General George Armstrong Custer
For all the vouching Sparano did to save the face of Trifecta has come to a crashing
halt. Ireland and Ross sat and watched our season together and both agreed on all fronts that Sparano lacked the necessary game management skills and an ineffective and unchanging conservative gameplan. Sparano will be judged largely on the way he handled the qb and oc situation, a situation he chose not to handle.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
Make a Decision Already!
If you are going to fire Sparano do so ASAP already It is not fair to the guy to keep him hanging.
I think Ireland is more to blame and should be fired as well. He should not be the reason not to hire Cohwer at all. Let Cowher bring in his own, even if that means getting rid of Nolan. I am OK either way with Nolan, he has been good, but not that good!
it is totally fair to keep the guy hanging
he is under contract; he has been paid; and for the good of the team it would not make sense to let him go UNLESS and UNTIL we can find someone better.
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(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 5, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody Will Go To Sun Life Stadium........
Ross doesn’t want to dump Jeff Ireland? The same Jeff Ireland who called Dez Bryants mother a whore? Ireland should have been fired when he made this remark. Ross needs to dump the whole regime. I bet Cowher would come to Miami and accept Nolan as long as Ireland were gone.
Then you write, Sparano isn’t stupid! - OH YES HE IS—— you must not have watched any games to come up with that comment --He’s a nice man, but nice guys finish last…and out of the playoffs….
Sparano is in over his head…clearly Ross sees it, all of South Florida sees it, Dan Marino sees it, all of America sees it, Rick Williams sees it…….Sparano should just resign………….
Ross didn’t pay $1 Billion to put this product on the sidelines………you can buy all the best ingrediants for a meal, but if you have a lousy chef, the meal is going to taste like crap………….
the name of the game is win and put rear ends in the seats……..if sparano and irleand remain—— then the only people at Sun Life Stadium on Sunday afternoon’s will be Ross, Ireland, the Williams sisters, Mark Anthony and Jennifer Lopez………..the Dolphin faithful would rather have all their teeth extracted opposed to going to a game or watching a Dolphin game on TV…..
nobody is going to pay $185 to sit in section 112 or $90 to sit in nose bleed section 437 with Tony running the show……so for 8 games…..about $50 + million in ticket and concession revenue iost
this year was 10 times as painful as the 1-15 season because of the stupid play calling……….this year it was mental anquish week in and week out……this year was hell, i haven’t missed a Buffalo game in 17 years, not until this year…..sure enough, it was ugly, just like the detroit and cleveland games…….the cherry on the cake was the masacre in New England…..
the games are painful, frustrating and stupid……Tony and Ireland need to go……
by put butts in the seats on Jan 5, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions
TONY
THIS IS NOT FAIR TO TONY, TONY HAS PUT THE SPRING BACK IN THE STEP HERE. HIS ONLY BIG MISTAKE IS NOT GETTING RID OF HENNING ABOUT HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON. TREAT HIM BETTER I SAY KEEP HIM BUT IF YOUR NOT LET HIM GO HE DESERVES BETTER
Please stop yelling!
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Billy Mays key syndrome.....
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Again Speculation and lots of Drama
As you can see Harbaugh is not interested in Miami and this story is simply a wash to lead us away from the real talks. Harbaugh fits the 49r’s well and will be declared HC in the next few days.
I must agree however about Cowher and control. He wants absolute control and he does not want Ross’s boy Ireland in the way, and this is where they are stuck at.
The other issue here is Parcells. Parcells hates to be second guessed and knows that Cowher will remove some of the things that Parcells had done. Ross and Parcells are very good friends, besides The Tuna is still in Ross’s pocket. That is what is holding this up. I am sorry for Sparano, but it now looks like this will go to the deadline. Nolan has never been an issue, as Cowher wanted him to stay. Henning however was not even a thought or issue…he is gone. Todd Bowles is also reading the sign on the wall and is securing his departure and rightly so. Cowher would not keep him either.
So Matty, it is not about anything other than CONTROL!!! and Cowher wants total and complete control.
At the end 3 things can happen:
1. Cowher will get his way and we will have a new look Dolphin Team next year.
2. Parcell will convince Ross to keep Sparano and he will come in as GM
3. We will hire one of the fallen Head Coaches and suffer 3 more years of pain and suffering.
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