The Friday Five: "Inexperience" the key word regarding Miami Dolphins coaching staff
by Matty I on Jan 28, 2011 5:00 AM EST
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PrintWe've reached the close of another week. Anybody having Senior Bowl or Pro Bowl parties this weekend? Didn't think so. After all, Pat White was the Senior Bowl MVP a couple of years ago. That tells you all you need to know about the Senior Bowl. In fact, most of the scouts go home today - choosing not to even attend the game itself. It's the practices that people want to see - not the game.
On to this week's Five.
1. This is quite the coaching staff that Tony Sparano put together this week. Could the staff be any more inexperienced? Everybody seems to be making a big deal out of Tony hiring his son, Tony Sparano Jr, but overlooking perhaps the biggest problem with this coaching staff. As far as "Junior" goes, he is only the offensive quality control coach. Does anyone know what an offensive quality control coach does? It really isn't much. It's an entry-level coaching position. They break down film for the offensive coaches - often times their own game film used for internal scouting/breakdowns and statistical breakdowns of upcoming opponents. They assist with the organization of practices. So let's not make the hiring of Tony's son a bigger deal than it should be.
The biggest issue I see with the new offensive staff is inexperience. Brian Daboll has just two years experience as a coordinator. New TE coach Dan Campbell is a former player who has never been a position coach before. New WR coach Steve Bush has never held this position at any level of football. New WR assistant coach Ike Hilliard has never coached at all except for in the UFL. And the biggest decision of them all? Promoting former WR coach Karl Dorrell to QB coach despite having no real experience teaching quarterbacks before.
Sure, Dorrell has been around this team for a few years now. He was an offensive coordinator at the college level - as well as UCLA head coach. But does he really know anything about developing a quarterback? He better. That's his most important responsibility and the entire regime's future could depend on it.
Considering Sparano himself is still a rather inexperienced head coach in this league, you have to wonder about his decision to not surround himself with some experienced assistants on the offensive side of the ball.
2. What a ridiculous move by Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams. What else is there to say about his decision to fire head coach Jeff Fisher after the other 31 NFL teams all had their head coaching situation figured out. Maybe I'm reading too much into the firing. Maybe we'll learn that there was some kind of incident between Fisher and Adams recently. Or maybe this move will just reconfirm what many league insiders think - that Adams might be losing his mind a little (a la Al Davis).
Of course, for us Dolphin fans, you have to wonder if Fisher would have been on owner Stephen Ross' radar if he had been available a few weeks ago. Marc Kohn seems to think so. With Fisher now likely to either sit out the 2011 season or take a coordinator role with a team that has an opening (like the Eagles, for example), it's probably safe to assume Tony Sparano now has another reason to worry.
3. Everybody made a big deal out of Jeff Ireland giving Chad Henne a small vote of confidence this week. But the most important thing he said was that the Dolphins are clearly looking to trade down out of pick 15 and recover the second round pick they had to give up to Denver last offseason. The statement from Ireland shouldn't come as any real surprise. But trading down from the 15th overall pick in hopes of picking up a second rounder means the Dolphins will have to move pretty far down into the bottom of the first round - essentially eliminating the Dolphins from having a shot at the five big names that most fans want to see the Dolphins draft: the four top quarterbacks and RB Mark Ingram.
4. Will you watch the Pro Bowl? Do you even care that the Dolphins sent four players to the Pro Bowl for the first time since 2003? When Randy Starks got added to the Pro Bowl as a "Super Bowl replacement" this past week, he joined Jake Long, Cameron Wake, and John Denney - giving Miami four Pro Bowlers for the first time since 2003. Think about that - the 7-9 underachieving Miami Dolphins have four Pro Bowlers. And they expect people to take this game seriously? Trivia question for all of you: name the four Pro Bowlers from 2003. First one to get it wins...well, nothing.
5. I have to give Mark Sanchez some props for his performance on Sunday. No, not for his play - though he does deserve some respect for leading that second-half rally. But how about his ability to wipe some snot on another grown man and not get knocked out. What was Mark Brunell doing? How did he let Sanchez get away with that? Or maybe it's just me. Maybe I just don't have any close friends that would be willing to act as a human tissue. That must be it.
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Surtain, Thomas, Marion and ¿Williams?
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
One of the best sayings "Play to win" I can't find fault if you do.
by 54 on Jan 28, 2011 5:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I really liked Marion
One of the least appreciated Fins of that era if you ask me.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Jan 28, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was one of the first in a long line of ex-Cowboys to play on the PHINs.
Miami Dolphin fan since 1971. Still the only UNDEFEATED team EVER!
And one the best
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Only because he wasn't really a legacy Dolphin
Over the past decade, most well known Dolphin defenders were Thomas, Taylor, Bowens, Armstrong, Madison, Surtain, and Marion. It’s easy to overlook Ogunleye.
Especially Since Miami stupidly didn't keep him
Thanks Wanny!
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by gridiron_mike on Jan 28, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
... he didn't do that much for da Bears.
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Can you remember what the guy did for us that replaced him?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 28, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
We did get Booker and Crowder out of him...
I was never high on Booker, but Crowder has at least been solid, yet unspectacular. It could’ve turned out to be worse.
I kinda like this Friday Five
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
by Neo on Jan 28, 2011 5:51 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
i agree i think
that this is a very clever idea.
by civwarbuff on Jan 28, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
rec'd
Just one mans opinion...
Phinsider member since '07
"We will pick 2 corners within the first 4 rounds" - 2009
"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
good read as always except
I will say this and sure I will catch backlash but being a WVU and Dolphin fan for 30+ yrs am really tired of everytime a mistake in the draft is brought up so does Pat Whites name. Call me a homer but so few Mountaineers get drafted and especially by Miami that I knew he could be special and whether you agree or not this regime ruined him…I for one hope we draft Newton just so he falls on his face and he can be the one instead of White thats the but of jokes.
by dupont85 on Jan 28, 2011 6:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
They should have just let him play with the damn glove.
He has small hands, I’m sure it really helped his grip.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
Whaa, whaa, a freakin whaa..!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Dude, get some tougher skin
Face it man Pat White is a total bust. He was given every opportunity to succeed here. He got put in and he couldnt even complete a damn pass. He ran the WC, he sucked. He got in at QB, he got hurt.
Ireland an Co. took forever to give up on the Pat White experiment since it only makes themselves look bad on taking him so high.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
He was not given every opportunity to succeed lmao
I don’t want him back, just like Beck, but you can’t say he was given opportunity. He never started once, he was only allowed to attempt FIVE PASSES and he was forced to throw without his glove. He probably needed it to grip the ball with his small hands or maybe his palms sweat a lot. I can’t believe they forced him to take the glove off like it was going to improve him.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
I actually agree joel311
But everyone should know Ireland got shutout on the PW decision. It was all HenningLeeParcells. That was the big divide on our team. The dinosaurs vs. the mammals. Hopefully our mammals are gigantic grizzly bears and not gerbils…
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
Why I knew he would FAIL
In college, when he faced defenses with speed, he was shut down. In fact, USF had no problem containing the White/Slaton combo. Well guess what? Once you get to the NFL all teams have speed AND power. Why do you think teams don’t run the option more in the NFL? The defenses are too good, and can’t be beat on the outside as much. Case in point, it only took half a season to solve stopping the Wildcat.
I wouldn’t even consider him much of a bust. He was doomed from the get go.
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?"
-Vince Lombardi
The Wildcat being "solved" is such a misconception.
In 2008, Ronnie Brown was injured. In 2009, Patrick Cobbs was injured in Week 5. The Wildcat became especially ineffective when Patrick Cobbs went down with an ACL tear. He was as vital to the previous success of the formation as Ricky and Ronnie were. Then we ruined our great run blocking O-Line last offseason which of course was going to impact the WC negatively, plus Cobbs never fully recovered so, again, of course The WC wouldn’t be good.
The WC wasn’t as “tricky” as a lot of people like to claim. It was all about putting an extra blocker on the line and saying “We are going to run it, just try and stop us.” Most of the runs went up the middle for big gains. THE MIDDLE. Yes, Ricky running to the outside was huge too but that was mostly effective because most of the runs went up the middle. It’s a formation that requires a lot of push up front by your O-Line + TEs. When you can’t run the ball in the standard formation, you aren’t going to be able to do much more from The WC.
Basically, The Wildcat can’t simply be shut down if you have the right talent up front, and 3 strong healthy backs.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
exactly
the wildcat formation is essentially a numbers game, if the right formations, talent on the field and blitzes are executed it becomes much harder to run effectivly, but it has in the past taken up opposing teams time in practice and gameplanning rather than against our convential offense. Especially in 2008.
Good read indeed
I dont have any clue as to Ross’s and Ireland’s intent this offseason. I dont think anyone does, including Ross and Ireland.
Of course, Ross, being a businessman may just be hiring this coaching staff on the cheap, or, if he’s not afraid to spend megamoney on building a winner in South Florida as he claims, then his decisions are just stupid. The biggest decisions I questioned were the hiring of QBoll, Tony’s extension and Karl Dorrell as QB coach which I commented on yesterday. Ireland’s extension I can probably understand because he undoubtedly has pictures of Ross…..
As soon as Jeff Fisher was let go I almost cried. I’d be willing to bet we could have had him….Timing is the key to success in life lol.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
Here is the thing
No one really knows these guys,and that includes our opponents. You can say all you want about this teams innexperience on the coaching level,but I’m kinda hating how everyones thinking that we are throwing away next season with these hires.
Look,outward appearances aside,I am not even going to speculate until we have an idea of what these guys are going to bring. You see,we said we needed fresh faces,well we got them. They weren’t the faces you wanted,so now were going to suck.
So much negativity,without even a single snap,its sad really.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jan 28, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to appear optimistic
But the way I’m seeing it is we already have seen what these new hires, especially QBoll the OC, are capable of. Judging from the Browns’ assessment of QBoll, we could have a younger version of Henning here and could have done much better. I’m sorry but I cant believe anything Ireland is telling us until I see some proof. The man’s proven to be distrustful.
I’ve been a Dolphin fan since Joe Auer and Rick Norton were the mainstays of a putrid offense and I’d much rather wear my Dolphin Colors as we’re getting beat 50-0 than pull a Jets jersey over my head if I were freezing to death. By questioning these offseason decisions I dont consider myself less a loyal fan than anyone else.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
Where i disagree with your outlook-
We HAVEN’T seen what Daboll is capable of. He was working for a lame duck Mangini, everyone knew that guy was on his way out. He wasn’t given freedom to implement his ideas. Now he’s here, motivated, and has instructions from Tony to be aggressive.
The truth is he COULD be the next hot young OC (that sounded weird when you picture him, but you know what i mean)
Ireland being ‘distrustful’. Overboard. He is a smokescreen master, and yes he lies. That’s the only way we got Marshall, the only way we got Dansby. It’s all done to make our team the best it can be. We can all question his transactions, but no one seems to take Belicheat to task when he drafts a Ron Brace in the 2nd (whom EVERYONE here wanted), and that guy has been a flop. It happens on every team.
Folks act like Ireland hangs out with Rex and Belicheat and plans ways to torpedo our team. He is a good GM IMO.
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
by Red Dog on Jan 28, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's working for a lame duck again,
so I don’t understand how the previous situation is any different. Do you feel Sparano will give him more freedom to change our scheme than Mangini did?
'Phins phor Liphe!
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
I do think it's different
We don’t KNOW he’s a lame duck. EVERY coach, really, is on the hot seat every year. IF Tony gets us to the playoffs and we look back on next season with satisfaction, and happy about where we’re going, I don’t think he’ll be fired. If he was a lame duck it wouldn’t matter.
In Cleveland they had just gotten Holmgren, and his offensive philosophy completely clashes with what Daboll learned under Belicheck’s staff. Here, Ross and Ireland and Tony are giving Daboll the green light.
It’s the same for any of us who hold any leadership positions. You can’t do your job if your boss doesn’t let you use the methods you’re comfortable with.
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
One doesn't have to assume they will do poorly to recognize the reality of their inexperience
at every position.
Does that mean they will definitley be bad? No.
Is experience everything? Henning proves that it is obviously not.
I agree that we can’t just go by Daboll’s track record, but I would have more faith in him if he was a) working for an HC who we knew could guide him in the right direction and/or b) had position coaches under him who he could rely on without having to spend time mentoring them on how to do their jobs.
In either case a bit of experience would have gone a long way. His own relative inexperience and track record don’t give us much to go by either. Therefore this is a big question mark, and bigger than if he were just getting a second chance on a different team in a better circumstance
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
True
My overall point I guess is that there ARE reasons to think we could be going in a good direction. I don’t agree that what has transpired dooms us to sucking forever.
Your approach is balanced, I appreciate it.
I got my start in construction being an unproven dude who worked my way up. I was just like Sparano at one point assembling my young unproven (but loyal hard working energetic smart) crew. We were soon outbidding our former bosses!
If it can happen for my dumb ass, I’m rooting that it can happen for our Dolphins. I have not seen many people as driven as Tony Sparano….
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
Nice story. Red Dog lives the American Dream!
(I am not being sarcastic at all)
We’ll see though how it works. I am excited about what Sparano can do. The whole offseason drama got me really worked up for 2011
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Do you honestly think Mangini would have been fired if he made the playoffs?
'Phins phor Liphe!
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
And for the record,
I do believe it possible that Sparano gives Daboll the green light, I’m just disagreeing with the lame duck HC theory. Mangini wouldn’t have been fired had they made the playoffs which is much the same situation Sparano is in.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
Oh yeah Mangini was done the moment Holmgren came in
Everyone was shocked he was retained as long as he was. There was no intention of letting Mangini really do anything. He was keeping the seat warm while Holmgren assessed things much like Parcells did for us (although it was towards the end of Cam’s season)
I guess time will tell. I HOPE we make the playoffs (like the rest of us). If we do, I’d think it would be proof that we have gotten over the hump and we weren’t really that far away, and our current leadership is legit.
On that note, I don’t think Ross will fire Tony, but what the hell do I know?
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
by Red Dog on Jan 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It really is sad
there is just too much negativity around the Dolphins. thats why i stay off this and the radio waves because im tired of it. Football season is over for us on to the next. you guys act as if we were going to win the f*cking Super Bowl next year. I DONT WANT TO GO TO THE PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR AND LOSE. I WANT MY DOLPHINS TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL. fans who have no credibility or qualifications to say anything about a professional franchise acting as if they know sh*t is getting annoying. YES i wanted Josh McDaniels but we aint get him so i moved on. this is my team even after im dead so im gonna stick it out till we get back to the top. I didn’t even know that before the Super Bowl era that the Steelers were so bad that they kicked them out the NFC. the were horrible for 40 years i think i heard. Now look at em, 6 RINGS PLAYING FOR #7. Our time in the sun wil come back.
And for all of you fans who crying for Henne to be like Marino, i guess you all want another stat filler instead of a Super Bowl winner. Marino aint win us a Super Bowl so i dont want another one of him. I want a Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers( i pick the Packers to win) and most of all Big Ben.
I guess you find fans with different points of view having a discussion frustrating?
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"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Somehow my point lost its edge by the copy fail ...
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
It was quit crusty of Brunell not to jack him in front of god & everyone!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 28, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Good Read Matty
My initial reaction to Fisher was “What could have been” but 5 game L streaks in 5 of their last 7 seasons, I’m not sure that would have cut it with us, and the man is bound to benefit from a break after 16 straight years.
Nervous about this inexperience thing. How do we develop a top QB prospect with that coaching resume? I guess it points to two conclusions – a) we won’t – as we’ll be trading down, and b) Tony Sparano will have an awful lot more control this year – so we should be holding him even more directly accountable!
Re the pro-bowlers … Swap out Williams for Adewale Ogunleye and you’re there 54. He had a bumper year benefitting from the attention paid to JT! That was a sweet pass rush combo huh?
Ahh yes I believe you’re right.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
One of the best sayings "Play to win" I can't find fault if you do.
by 54 on Jan 28, 2011 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Fisher??
Like most people, my initial reaction was, crud, we could have had Jeff Fisher, but instead with the team is stuck with Tony Sparano. However, Jeff Fishers regular season record is just a little over 50% and his playoff record isn’t much better. However, still I would feel more comfortable with him over Tony S. But then again, I would have preferred Harbaugh, Gruden or Bill Cohwer. But we can no longer cry over spilled milk.
But on a more serious note, I am seriously concerned about the choices made by this group of leaders. Outside of Mike Nolan, all the rest, the OC, the receivers coach and the QB’s coach are all VIRGINS!!! And since the problem with this team is OFFENSE, it seems rather assinine to bring in rookies to try to fix the problems.
The team gets Mike Nolan, a top DC, who immediately once he was fired from Denver, he was scarfed up as the media indicated that it was a stupid move given his expertise. He fixed many of the Phins defensive problems and salvaged a D-Line that lost 3 starters!!
Now the brain trust here hires a bunch of novices to try to fix a QB who was a disaster last year, revive an O-Line and get RB’s after the 2 starters are free agents.
Pretty Dumb moves IMHO. But then again, it seems to be the M.O. of the leadership. I dunno. When the problem is your offense, and you are competing against 31 other teams, you would think that you would like the staff to have every advantage possible and not be a bunch of novices who will learn on the job!!!
Petty stupid plan IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Well, Another move to head us in the direction to draft Andrew Luck in 2012!!!!!!!!!
Jeff fisher isn’t a good coach anymore. I’ll take Tony over Fish right now.
Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
One of the best sayings "Play to win" I can't find fault if you do.
by 54 on Jan 28, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll take Tony over Fish right now.
yeah….didn’t we just thankfully lose a fish off our line anyway…..
Just one mans opinion...
Phinsider member since '07
"We will pick 2 corners within the first 4 rounds" - 2009
"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Just another Fish story
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
But think how appropriate!!
Jeff FISHer?? coaching the DOLPHINS??
Oh, wait…we’re a mammal. nm
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
Yeah, but look at how all those "Tuna Safe" jokes turned out
caught in the same damn net only the Tuna escaped early!!
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
LOL!
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
Something smells like tuna...
… I can’t quite put my finger on it….
lol
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
maybe you put your finger in it…..ewww
Just one mans opinion...
Phinsider member since '07
"We will pick 2 corners within the first 4 rounds" - 2009
"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Now how is it a 'petty' stupid plan?
All we did this year is what Belicheck does every year. Dorrell is known as a ‘great communicator’, and has been around a while and I respect the hell out of the guy. I’m proud to have him on our team and I’m happy we’re not discarding the coaching talent we’ve developed. He’s moving up the chain, that’s how every good OC in the NFL today got there.
Yes, I understand concern for our ‘virgins’. But I think their energy and open minded approach will more than make up for it. And they are not all that “inexperienced”. It’s not like one of us schlubs just got hired. THAT would be inexperience.
Also, Sparano has a lot of respect among players and coaches. Nolan, who i consider an elite coach, LOVES working for him, and was already planning to go to Dallas if we canned Tony. So no, these guys aren’t as bad as everyone makes them out to be.
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
by Red Dog on Jan 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
friday 5
Not sure Fisher is someone I would have wanted to coach this team, however looking at this ridiculously inexperienced and inept coaching staff, Fisher would be the 2nd coming of Shula. Next season is looking to be a complete washout.
What are you doing to our team Mr. Ross?
OK
Inept? How do you know?
Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......
how do I know?
because nothing has changed, except “LESS EXPERIENCED” guys who have never coached in these positions are now on our team. And Sparano is still HC. THats all I need to know-Inept.
What are you doing to our team Mr. Ross?
Uh??
And what did Dan Henning bring with all that experience?
by Douglas M. Scalzo on Jan 28, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Henning was mailing it in
Looking at retirement and hoping that the wildcat would get him through the season. His experience was valid at a point in time but the game passed him by.
I’m hoping that there was something in QBoll that Ireland and Sparano saw that eluded the rest of us because that choice for OC just deflated my expectations for ’11.
It is what it is. Go Dolphins.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
I agree Henning was mailing it in
The O was not crisp, those guys were not being trained hard. If you’re old, you better be like the mean old codger in Rocky. Henning seemed like a great guy to drink with and hear a bunch of stories, he should go into broadcasting…..
But Daboll career path does not show ineptitude, it shows some promise, some concern, but this year will be a deciding year.
All I’m saying is too early to declare the I word mi amigo!
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Were did people find that Daboll worked at UCLA? Cuz I dont see that he worked there at all
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I have my Ninja's hunting for Henning as we speak. The official KS-22 clan leader.
I thought Dorell worked at UCLA
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
not a great win loss record but won some big games, two sun bowls and was pac10 coach of the year in '05games too
but who’s counting?
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
games too
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Too much mojitos?
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lol great post its
Adewale Ogunleye. Patrick Surtain. Brock Marion. and Zach Thomas.
by civwarbuff on Jan 28, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Actually I think Armchair QB got it first
He just didn’t spell it out the same way – he wrote as follows at 8:04, nearly 50 minutes before finhead
“Re the pro-bowlers … Swap out Williams for Adewale Ogunleye and you’re there 54. He had a bumper year benefitting from the attention paid to JT! That was a sweet pass rush combo huh?”
Meaning he assumed 54 as the baseline and than changed williams to Ogunleye. So he is the winner. Sorry Fin.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
You're actually correct
I didn’t notice Armchair even responded to it, but he did indeed post it before me. No need to apologize, Strange.
LOL
and its ok, I am sorry for calling you Joel. I will never insult you like that again :)
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
I guess I will shamelessly plug my fanpost from yesterday where I go into the inexperience issue
I really wonder how the situation came to develop in terms of experience.
Was it just that back to back 7-9 seasons mean that no one wants to work for a guy that is very possibly out the door (extension notwithstanding)
Is it that Sparano is too loyal?
Did these guys all interview really well?
Was it the offseason fiasco making other coaches not want to come here?
Some mixture of all of the above?
The main issue for me is mentorship and trust. Ideally an inexperienced guy at the top has people under him who are experienced who he can trust (Henning though was a bit TOO experienced), or inexperienced guys have mentors they can look to for guidance. In this case it seems like neither.
Another point – Ireland’s comment on the Jo rose show (check fanshots) indicates that Daboll will be involvedi n the QB development process, but that will take some time away from his reworking his offensive game plan to be more explosive.
I am less worried about Campbell as he will have Sparano to help him, who has some TE coaching experience, but the WRs coach is a question.
We’ll just have to wait and see if the players feel they are being supported because that is a big concern
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
I immediately thought of your post when I began reading this article.
Matty, give this man some props!
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I see he listens to you... lol
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It's probably a mix
But I think the biggest theme is Tony is finally doing it his way. I think that can be a good thing. If everyone were to take a breath and look at this calmly, doesn’t our progress the last few years look like there’s too many cooks in the kitchen? I think that’s been our problem, and by cooks I mean Parcells.
I think a unified coach staff with energy and open minds is what we’re getting…
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by Red Dog on Jan 28, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I assume many people are looking at it calmly (I thought my post was pretty even handed actually)
One of the biggest problems in hirings in general is solving a problem by going to the opposite extreme. If the intention was to make it Tony’s show, I get it, but it still seems very odd that they would have gone a route where almost no one will be completely comfortable doing any offensive coaching job because of lack of experience. They can all do wonderfully, but it isn’t CLS to be concerned about it.
Also, there is a decent amount of plausibility to the negative side of this situation. With a calm head and a true love of the team a reasonable fan can still wonder if we went with this route is because no one wants to take a job here.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
As a UCLA alum,
I can’t exactly give Dorrell a vote of confidence when it comes to developing QB talent. He set that program back 10 years with his ineptitude.
Next up, the Dolphins get setback for another decade!
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by gridiron_mike on Jan 28, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
This is why I think you guys are trolls lol
You’re literally laughing at the thought of us sucking, it seems as if you want it to go there.
I agree there are concerns, but you can just as easily put together a case for the fact that we may be on the cusp of being on top for the next decade.
Overall this team is real tough and competitive. We’re moving to fix the problems IMO, and they seem like legit moves to me.
The media has twisted you guys into bitter-dipped pretzels. Out here in SF there was radio guys who were saying that all Ross was trying to do was convince Harbaugh not to jump right to HC, come and be OC for us, get his feet wet. We don’t know half (if that) of the why and how.
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by Red Dog on Jan 28, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Red isn't a fan of gallow's humor, joel
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by Tunaflipper on Jan 28, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am when we're in the gallows!
Which we are not, which is what I’m pointing out….
Humor is great, but if you go back and read some of these posts, they honestly could be mistaken for a trolls contribution. Offer up something solid we can debate and I’m game! I welcome all to shoot holes in whatever I’m saying, that’s the point. Exchange ideas to promote thought. Endless empty trashing on the team drives me nuts!
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I think it's less funny when it's assuredly true.
And funnier when it seems a bit overboard at the moment. After all, humor is in the ridiculous.
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And please don't judge me on a post that simply said "haha"
and immediately lump me into a group post-season media cynics. It was a funny joke, it deserved a little recognition. Whether he was being serious or not, humor should always be rewarded IMO.
I have stated time and again that I will hold out on speculation until we are playing in the regular season.
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No judgement amigo
guess i missed the humor!
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Next up... bitter-dipped pretzels served at the "Sunshine" stadium...
The San Francisco Treat!
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by Alpha6 on Jan 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think 4 players from our 7-9 team is a knock on The Pro Bowl,
but more a credit to how much talent we actually have on this team. It’s not like we have a slew of offensive players, and who is going to argue that Jake Long does not deserve to be on The Pro Bowl squad?
Even with our ineffective offense routinely giving the ball back to the other team, our defense finished 6th in the NFL. With an offense that actually has sustained scoring drives, we would easily have been Top 5, so why is it surprising that we had 2 pro bowlers from defense? One of which lead the league in sacks up until Week 15. Yes, Randy Starks did not belong and is a make-up pick from last year, but Langford could have made it as an alternate or even Dansby. We have tremendous talent on this team and I think our 4 Pro Bowl selections indicate a problem with coaching and not talent.
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i agree....
with this:
I don’t think 4 players from our 7-9 team is a knock on The Pro Bowl,
but more a credit to how much talent we actually have on this team
to add to it….we have a representative from every side of the ball as well….defense, offense, and special teams……not to shabby for a losing team…..
yeah we lost some games to terrible teams……but we beat some great teams too……we should have ended with an 8 and 8 record (i didn’t think it was possible for me to hate the steelers more than i already did, but low and behold) you know what i mean there……and we were in the same division with the jets, patriots and an improving bills team…….cut our team some slack…..really
.
with that being said i agree with this: (with a little specification)
We have tremendous talent on this team and I think our 4 Pro Bowl selections indicate a problem with coaching and not talent
i think the problem was less of a coaching problem, per se…..(no one is complaining about the sparano’s handling of his defensive coordinator….nolan was great)…….but more of a offensive playcalling problem which, of course, comes down to the control of the head coach…..which has been addressed with the firing and hiring of offensive coordinators……(see my reply post below)
so hopefully we will be better next year……..however, we are still in arguably the toughest division in football so we should keep our expectations realistic….not lower…..just realistic
if we want to make the playoffs next year we will have to knock either the patsies or the jests out………..
and that, my friends, is a lot easier said than done…….at least we know the head coach has much more control of the offense this year……..so we will see if offensive improvement comes to fruition……
our defense is set (much to the chagrin of some of the fans on here) because of the choice of defensive coordinator, draft picks, and free agent signings of………………yep, ireland and sparano……let’s not give the tuna more credit than he deserves shall we??…..especially considering he bailed out the same year our defense was one of the best in the league……
so three cheers for our 4 pro bowlers……..
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"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
this was not a "direct" reply just to you joel.....more of an expounding
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Even if it was just a direct reply,
it was well said. No worries mate 8)
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miami had a bunch of pro bowlers in 2003
i think they had like 7 when they went 10-6. it was williams, jason taylor, zach thomas, surtain, madison, brock marion and i believe tim bowens
about the inexperience thing......
with sparano having two one more year to make things happen………perhaps the lack of experience on his coaching staff ensures that he will have full control of the team……..which obviously he did not last year…….without question this is his team and his staff this year………sound reasonable??
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"We will pick 2 corners within the first 4 rounds" - 2009
"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
it's the only reason i can come up with.....
a lot of new guys doing new things……?? who knows??
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"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Tony kicked out all the other cooks....
It’s his kitchen now!
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he is italian after all......let's he does more than pizza
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"We will pick 2 corners within the first 4 rounds" - 2009
"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
…..let’s hope…..
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"We will pick 2 corners within the first 4 rounds" - 2009
"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't he hire Nicky, then?
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by Tunaflipper on Jan 28, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
nice.....where has nicky been btw.........??
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
He was lurking yesternight
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by Tunaflipper on Jan 28, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
He was going to until he found out that Nick could not see over the Gatorade bukets on the sidelines.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 28, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Last time he cooked, he blinded himself
Let’s hope he doesn’t metaphorically splash grease in our eyes.
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hopefully "da bull" has one of these......
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"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
No... one of these!!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
heyyyyy.....my fourth grade teacher had one of those........lol
not kidding……except bigger and with holes in it……he called it “bid bertha”
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"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
this is scary as all getout!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 28, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Farorefox I was going to go there
But I deleted it knowing someone here could slam it home! good work!
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That just seems to be going to the opposite extreme IMO
I am not in their shoes but I would think the best thing would have been to keep Dorell where he was and hire a QB coach (maybe a former NFL OC who lost a job?) who had solid experience with it. That would mean that there would be less micromanaging of those aspects by the HC and OC and more ability to implement their gameplan.
I am not an NFL expert. Maybe the shift from WRC to QBC is simple. Maybe being a WRC to begin with doesn’t require too much experience. Maybe neither requires much mentorship from above, but if they are like most other intensive jobs, you are much better off with experience and/or guidance.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Watch the senior bowl? That'd be fun.
Oh wait. I can’t. The NFL wants me to pay them to watch college ball.
Dicks.
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the Bastards!
You’d think it was a business or someting…
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I always felt like the NFL really screwed up trying to charge for TV viewing in general
I think in the long run, it’s better to make the games accessible to all. Yeah, they make $ now from all of us paying to watch the games, but the only reason we’re paying now is because we grew up watching (free) games on TV. Younger generations won’t have the connection the NFL that we do now…
Good business or greed? A fine line. Along with a lockout, the NFL could go the way of the other major sports leagues.
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The NFL made 8 billion last year.
And they’re projected to make 9.5 next year…
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That's still short-term.
He’s arguing long-term.
I think their most profitable business plan is to maintain a mix of free games with only a few requiring the purchase of their premium channel. That way the die-hards (the only people who would pay for all the games anyway) still spend extra on the premium channel and NFL still gets loads of advertising revenue from the network/basic cable channels.
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Also as long as the popularity of Madden stays so high it will continue to stir
interest of the younger generations even if in turn it ruins the way that they look at the game as a whole.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 28, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think the team trading down might mean we will be looking for an O-lineman in the first.
Quick question. Am I the only person who does not like Mark Ingram? He seems like a guy who will be running a 4.8 forty in about 2-3 years. Am i blinded by my hate for Nick Saban and anything Alabama?
Well saban is a prick yes
But high mileage is high mileage IMO, pros or college. We all know Saban’s not trying to keep that dudes legs fresh for the pros…..
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No. He cares little for his players futures as he is one of if not the most selfish, self serving
coaches in big time college football.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jan 28, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Ingram either.
But I also carry the hatred for Saban. What a failure that guy was.
I’d rather see the Fins try to address the broken O-Line… Trade picks for proven commodities. Lets get Mankins, and give the Pats more draft picks.
Rec'd for #5...!!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I'm personally glad Fisher wasn't available
I have always felt he is one of the most overrated coaches in the game. There were stretches in his tenure that on any other team would have gotten him fired long ago.
We are almost at .500 now, Fisher isn’t much better than Sparano at going farther, truth be told.
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Jan 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agree
I really dig your sig 717! Also agree!
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especially this:
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
hahaha!
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is genius!
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jan 28, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well thank you
I try
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Jan 31, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd
Fisher isn’t much better than Sparano at going farther, truth be told.
the only thing different is that fisher’s mediocrity is very well established in the nfl……sparano has a lot more 8 and 8 seasons to reach the likes of jeff fisher status…..woo hoo
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good Read
Matty, although I often disagree with you, I found your story clear and to the point.
I agree on Sparano Jr……He will make no impact one way or another.
I did question every single move that The Dolphins have made with their coaching musical chair. It is silly, unprofessional and obviously out of touch based on the needs of this team. I get the sense that Ross’s deep pockets, don’t mean a hill of beans if he is clueless about the direction he wants this team to go. Ireland is either a total “YES MAN” looking for a pay check or a total idiot. I know they have found some quality players..but also some not so much, which tells me that Ireland’s choices are hit and miss, and we can’t afford that at this point. But..It’s not in our hands..we are just the fans.
Snot rag
If they were willing to pay me millions to be a snot rag, By god i would be the best snot rag in the league ! Tell me Brunnell doesnt have a great job. Each game he cashes a paycheck, maybe with a little sore arm from running the second string, last i checked they had someone to clean and sanitize there uniforms. I’d be human toilet paper for millions ! Cmon now , ya think Brunnell gives a rats ass ? Joe
has anyone seen mark sanchez's new mexican practice jersey for mark brunell???. . .viva la raza !!!
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but seriously…..here’s the real story and quite frankly…..it sounds like the real story
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/mark-sanchez-booger-wipe-explained/
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"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010
by MagicDolphin on Jan 28, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
What a joke!
I would be amazed if this bunch of want-a-bes turns out to be anything other than pathetic. We could very well end up being the worst team in the league next year, if there is a next year. But I doubt the fins will be smart enough to be the worst. They will probably be the 2nd or third worst, not quite bad enough to land the top draft pick in the draft the next year. It looks like they will trade down and pick up a couple of offensive or defensive linemen. They will probably resign slow ass Brown for running back. I also expect them to get McNabb or some other over-the-hill QB instead of drafting a good one now. They just don’t have enough brains to address the fins core problem—lack of leadership at QB. We have become the Chicago Cubs of football.
Way to stay positive!!!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 28, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
What was the straw that broke the camel’s back on Fisher leaving was that the Titans have a strict rule against hiring family members on the staff.
Fisher wanted to hire his sone to be the Titans’ offensive quality control coach.
You know, like Tony just did with Tony, Jr.
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I kinda think Bud already made up his mind to dump Fisher
Fisher had also extended contracts for his coaches and didn’t tell anyone, and they just found out and made him fire his DC, and then his D-Line coach left.
I was left with the impression that Bud didn’t let him hire his son because they knew they were going to fire him, and they didn’t want to pay him to coach a rival. That’s why Bud waited until all 31 teams had HCs already I guess……
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maybe this is part of the plan
lets stink up the joint and be first in line to grab Andrew Luck next year.
or so you would all beleave last year we traded away a top 12 pick & got a 1st albeit late Then picked up a second really high!
we can trade a top 15 this year for said 1st pick & a high second rd. pick just we wont see that first rd. pick till next year. Kinda like loseing our 1st rd. pick due to injury… Then next year we ues said pick to put with our first pick we then move up to secure the top pick & get LuckY!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 28, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if teams plan that far ahead
With the ever-changing landscape, I could see how a plan could be obsolete in a month if not less. Plus, what if Luck goes the way of Locker?
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Maybe we dont move up at all & then still take luck!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 31, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Since Ireland made our wish to trade down known,
maybe he wants that 2nd rounder for Orton. Since we obviously need a lot of help at QB, Orton is the best vet on the market IMO.
Either that or it’s a big smoke screen in order to keep people from trading up in front of us to grab a QB that they think will fall to them if we are not picking at 15.
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With all this picking.... where's Snachez..?!
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I'd love to question this "all-star" squad of newbie coaches we've assembled
…but then my loyalty as a Dolphins fan would be questioned here. So I’ll keep my mouth shut and let the results speak for themselves.
Nah its more things like saying "I am done with this team" that will get your loyaties questioned.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 28, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
You sound like my 4 yr old niece
Wade in buddy! Don’t be afraid! It’s just printed words, they don’t hurt too bad!
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Is it me or is Da-Q-ball trying to look buff in the pic......
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
on the matty point of experienced coaches. sparano was surrounded by ex head coaches and OC's -- henning, parcells, and we still have former head coach nolan. tony can say, 'look how that went.'
maybe tony is going to make this team and the team of coaches in his own image (literally in the case of jr.) and he will succeed or fail on his own terms.
About time we win at home. Work the problem.
yes but since parcells left
actually sooner in his more "limited role’ outside of the Mike Nolan hire this is the direction we have been going as a team. Its tough to decifer where Tony is coming from with these hires but they all seem very strange from the outside looking in. (no offense to the user Strange lol). Brian Daboll is a guy who obviously knows his football, he worked under Belichick, Saban and Mangini as well as coaching excellent receivers in NE and favre and pennington in NY.
With that said though he has only had one other stint as an OC. In Cleveland and didnt have tremendous success. i understand the situation yes, but i worry that Tony has made a hire of someone he is comfortable with rather than someone who will push his buttons and come at things from a different angle. Saying things like " I chose someone who shares my offensive philosophy’ seems to reinforce that thought to me. I hope im wrong in that observation.
None taken :)
And I agree completely.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
kiding aside we need sum sum that think's out side the box a bit more!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 28, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I must say I like what I read from Jeff Darlington's tweet
“Dolphins QB Chad Henne has been spending significant one-on-one time w/ new OC Brian Daboll at the team’s training facility lately.”
On the "get Jake Locker in the draft no matter what it takes" bandwagon
It's a start
Maybe Daboll will actually let Henne and Marshall practice together.
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If Henne is going to be our starter (by the sounds of it, it might be Henne's to lose........again)
someone has to bring these two together. It is the only way the Phins offense will work next year, they need to get on the same page.
On the "get Jake Locker in the draft no matter what it takes" bandwagon
I am concerned though how much
Chad Henne will effectively cooperate with a guy in Karl Dorrel who has never taught QBs at any level. For both our franchise and for Chads future anywhere, if he is to remain our starter it is extremly important that he works intensely on some of his shortcomings. Im really happy about what Jeff Darlington has said though when talking about henne and Daboll. Brian Daboll is a very experienced guy as far as coaching QBs and has worked with some great ones. A new face and coaching style may benefit Chad alot. But from an overall offensive standpoint Daboll still concerns me.
I didn't come at it exactly in the same way but I would have liked Darlington's twitter to have included Dorell in those sessions
That would give good mentoring to both Henne and dorell.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Thanks but I just like to think about things
I don’t know much.
But it makes sense right? If there is an issue with QBs, and Daboll is the one who has the experience in that arena, than the mentoring should be for both the QB and the inexperienced coach?
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
and that might (might) help deal with the issues of trust if Dorell and Henne are working together at this stage
and Daboll is facilitating the right type of relationship.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
But is that really the most beneficial scenario for
this franchise? And no dont worry you know as much as i do. haha. Im no savant. And your grammar is better lol.
No. The most beneficial would have been having an experienced QB coach
who Daboll and Sparano could trust to do a good job without having to micromanage (which looks exactly like what Daboll is doing right now – assuming our assumptions are right).
Barring that, the inexperienced guy needs mentorship. Let’s take an analogy. If a lead psychiatrist is mentoring a newer Dr., he will go along with him around the ward. Viz the new guy, he needs to educate and show him how things are done. But, viz. the patient (Henne), he needs to build trust that the new guy can be very good at what he does. It’s a balance, but not insurmountable.
That’s my thinking on it. Of course, I am talking out of behind as I have no idea what these sessions are actually about.
I was thinking that your grammar was better than mine. I usually don’t check.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
me too.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Where are we headed?
How does a head coach who have shown the need to greatly sharpen his coaching skills surrounds himself with coaches that are placed in positions to be OJTed on their respective roles? Man, keeping hope alive is trying about now.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
you know its funny
because at the end of the season how many would have guessed that there would be a change to every major coaching position on the Offense except the ofeensive line positional coach.
1st things 1st...
Good read Matty. I agreed with most of what you said, normally I do. But about the pro bowl…I’m on the fence. I personally never watch this game because I feel like it’s a half ass played game. I do however think it’s pretty cool that we have as many players as we do on this years roster. Despite our weak record this year we had some pretty great players on our squad. Good to know that they are recognized by somebody other than my nobody ass.
by WvFinsFan1 on Jan 28, 2011 9:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Between Denney Carpenter and Fields, we are set at special teams!
And our offense played to our strengths, that if punting and FGs
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
that *is punting
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Considering how atrocious our coverage unit was, and how close Fields was to the lead in kicks
I wouldn’t hesitate to call him the best punter in the league right now.
You think Cleveland's cool? I've never heard anybody say "I'm going to Cleveland on vacation." What's so good about Cleveland?- Joakim Noah
Oh & about the Pat White comment towards the top.
He was NOT given every chance to make it. He threw a handful of passes & thrown to the lions on the WC. Every D knew that if he was in he was either gonna hand off or run. Wasn’t hard to figure out with that being the only thing he ever got to do really. Of course by seeing my handle on here it’s obivious that I’m from Wv. But not a WVU fan however. I’m just stating the facts.
by WvFinsFan1 on Jan 28, 2011 9:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If recent crappy PFT "journalism" has any ring of truth I am deeply disturbed
There is a fanshot about it, but PFT suggested that the reason for the Dorell is move is that he found Marshall ‘difficult’ to deal with.
If that is true than it would say too much of the wrong thing about our coaching moves.
Of course, being that it is PFT, it is likely just them being dumb
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Florio's speculation is almost always bullshit
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"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
you mean because of all the hot air comin outta his mouth?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 31, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
methane gas
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
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