Report: Carson Palmer seeking trade; should Dolphins consider?
by Matty I on Jan 24, 2011 11:30 AM EST
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The Miami Dolphins have an obvious need for a quarterback or two. All of us are expecting that there will be at least one, and maybe two, new quarterbacks on Miami's roster when training camp rolls around.
We all know the names being talked about, too. The four top quarterback prospects in April's NFL Draft. The veteran free agents. The guys likely to be waived by their current teams. The possible trade targets. Now we can add another potential trade target to the list.
Even though the Bengals are bringing back head coach Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer is reportedly demanding a trade. The ESPN report even claims Palmer would be willing to consider retirement if his wish is not granted.
Of course, the Bengals had a disgruntled player last offseason who demanded a trade - and he is still there. So this situation can certainly change over the next few months. But you have to imagine that the Dolphins will spend some time evaluating Palmer and considering the possibility of trading for the 31 year old veteran.
Dolphin fans, though, seem to be interested in favor of making a play for the former first round pick. It's important, though, to keep in mind that this isn't the same Carson Palmer that threw for over 12,000 yards and 86 touchdowns over three seasons from '05 to '07. Palmer hasn't exactly been the same since suffering an elbow injury that nearly forced him to undergo Tommy John surgery in 2008.
Since the injury, Palmer has noticeably lost velocity on his passes and has been inconsistent with his accuracy. Palmer also has never been the most mobile quarterback in the world - and has become even less mobile in the pocket as age has caught up to him.
With all that said, Palmer still could bring a lot to this Miami offense. His experience and leadership alone has to tempt this Dolphins front office. And regardless of his lost velocity, Palmer's ability to read defenses and anticipate throws would be a giant plus for an offense that was just plain bad in 2010.
There are two other factors to consider here, though. One, of course, is Palmer's cost. What will it take to get him from the Bengals? A first round pick? If so, is that worth it?
What about Carson's insane contract. Palmer is still owed $50 million over the next four years, including a salary of $11.5 million in 2011. That's a steep price to pay for an aging quarterback.
Perhaps even more importantly, the Dolphins might not even be able to trade for Palmer - or any other player, for that matter - for quite a while. No players can be traded until there is a new collective bargaining agreement reached. Can the Dolphins afford to wait as long as it may take to trade for Carson?
Palmer is an intriguing option. But even this former first overall pick wouldn't come without numerous question marks.
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I'm personally tired of trying for aging qbs who were once great..
And Carson palmer wasn’t even spectacular, look who he had to throw to this season, and he still didn’t put up very good numbers. True he’s an improvement to what we have now, but he’s not worth it.
by Kellenman08 on Jan 24, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+2 keep scouting elsewhere.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Jan 24, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bid / Ask spread too big right now
This thing won’t get wrapped up until carson decides to sit out a few OTAs and practises. Cincy has also been through the “trade me or i quit” routine with ochocinco and didn’t budge, so would think the chance of this happeing is even more remote.
= we need to work on another solution and if he drops on our laps later on the cheap, then that’d just be a bonus depth move.
I think there is no chance he comes here
That being said, Carson will only be 32 this year, isn’t all that old for a QB. I’ll answer your question with a question. Would you rather have Palmer or Henne as your starting QB come opening day?
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that is a horrible choice
like scylla and charybdis
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 24, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Odyssey FTW.
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by phinnyhenne28 on Jan 24, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
And now some metal
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 24, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
henne ahnds down
keep chad henne
5th round picks safety bandwagon (clemons/jones)
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by ronnie brown for president on Jan 24, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its hard to say
on one hand Carson palmer is agreat player, and he offers alot things to like but as we all know with Carson Palmer comes too many question marks. And i agree with you I think there is no chance he will come to Miami as well.
I will answer Neo's question negatively...Not Palmer.
I saw Palmer once this season (can’t even remember the opponent). Cincy was on their own 10 yardline (or something), 3rd and long…Palmer throws to the flat (with some but not a lot of pressure) ON HIS BACK FOOT. This one pass had so many errors written into the QB script I couldn’t believe I was watching professional football. Terrible decision (a pick-6-to-the-flat decision), terrible execution (back foot, no velocity, lock onto receiver, etc). It was everything we all complain about Henne all wrapped up in one 8 second play.
by Doug Maxton on Jan 24, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice scout work, Doug. I am...
…also against going after Palmer. He’s more like Carson Palmer’s doppleganger. Too expensive and too not good anymore. Rec’d
Orton is worse then Palmer!!!
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as part of a clear transitional strategy only that ends us up with a 'franchise qb
About time we win at home. Work the problem.
no to palmer
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Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
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by 54 on Jan 24, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd gladly take Carson Palmer, but no way is he worth a first-round pick
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
I've never won a Matty, so I'll give myself the "Classic Marino BALLS" award. Thanks to all who voted for me.
O I was under the realization we were getting him free agent, No no no & again no!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 25, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
No
I don’t want a short term answer anything, we are not a QB away of winning the title, we have a lot of holes to fix, so I want to keep our picks to try and find long term answers (QB, but also OL, RB, ILB, CB, TE, OL , OL and OL). We won’t get all, but hopefully we can get some
Palmer comes with his own Qs anyway:
- is his arm really ok? He had the same surgery as Delhomme, who wasn’t very old when he imploded either
- is he a leader? His best game was without Ochoa or TO, so can he cope with a Marshall?
- is he a winner? Debatable at best
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Lol; just another one that could not cum back from injury!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 25, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, No to Palmer
I think we’ve seen enough post-Marino that aging QB’s on the downslope of their careers are NOT what this organization needs. I’d take a young draft pick over a ‘maybe he’ll regain his form in Miami’ older QB. And as D0lphins4life stated above, without a strong OL, he’d be on IR before the season really got going.
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This concludes my insightful response.
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by joel311 on Jan 24, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
i bet you hand-typed every single last 'no'
you’re no c&p-er
chl all that and a dime sack, where the paper at?
this doesn't count if your lefty lol
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 25, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
... grasping at a straw...
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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ooohahahahaha
at last it’s not me at the blunt side of the alpha terror
chl all that and a dime sack, where the paper at?
I've read some other message boards and
they hate him. I’ll pass. 20 INTs last year and he had about 10 that were dropped. He was really good in 2005 but hasn’t been the same
Wanna prove you are a true heatfan? Remind people you lived through the Mark Blount era
I'd take the 20 ints if it would go with his 82.4 rating, 3,970 passing yards, and his 26 TDs.
Remember that Henne threw 19 picks this year anyway without playing all the games. We threw more than 20 if you put Thigpen’s 2 in there anyway. Not to mention they combined threw only 17 TDs. You guys seriously don’t consider Palmer an upgrade?
Well, we did a good job fixing the defense in the last off-season and a decent job fixing the special teams during the season. Now let's find an offense!
This is very bad...
If the Bengals have to trade him (or he retires) that is one more team ahead of us that needs a QB
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they were prolly gonna draft a QB anyway possibly
but i doubt they take one that early, they have WAY too many holes, specially on D
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Thigpen?
I’ll pass.
He can be my backup, never my starter.
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by Neo on Jan 24, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He can be my gf...
… wait, what?
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
…………….lolz
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Yeah, Look how well thigpen played against Chicago and New England. He's definately an upgrade!!
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 24, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I dont like Orton and Palmer sucks with every other USC qb
I know VY is a big baby but i think we should consider making him compete for the job. Also, I think De’angelo Williams could be a great pickup. If we want the best player at the 15th pick, Im sorry but its not Mark Ingram. I think we need to bolster our OL only if we make FA pick-ups or if Ryan Mallet falls to us. That wont happen now that Luck is gone and I dont want to see us pick up RB at our spot unless we trade down and get a 2nd round pick. I dont want washed up qbs and Im not saying VY isn’t, but he is just an extra qb we can have…
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I meant unless Mallet falls to us… FAT CHANCE
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by GoNuckingFuts on Jan 24, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Mallet = Henne 2.0
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Mallett will likely be there when we pick, so it's a question of whether or not we want him
Me? Yeah, I can’t resist. His accuracy is just as good as his arm strength, and that intrigues me. His footwork sucks, but that can be corrected. His mobility blows, but no one seems to kill Tom Brady or Peyton Manning for their fire hydrant-like running in the open field.
Mallett’s a risk, but so is every other draft prospect not named Andrew Luck. I could be wrong about RM, but I like him.
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
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Agreed
Though, to be honest, Gabbert intrigues me a little bit more. Honestly, I am good with any of Locker, Mallet, or Gabbert. We just better draft a QB in the first round this year, or I will light my underwear on fire in on Steven Ross’ doorsteps in protest. You hear that Ross, a good ol’ fashioned underwear burning on your front porch if you dont make this draft happen!!!
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Ok,
I’ll ask the obvious question: Will you be wearing said underwear?
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I like Gabbert, too. I just worry that some stupid team will nab him before the No.15 pick
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
I've never won a Matty, so I'll give myself the "Classic Marino BALLS" award. Thanks to all who voted for me.
if it helps
make Ross ensure we draft a QB in the first round…I might just have to take one for the team. Of course I will then need to invest in fire-retardant jelly.
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Not sure if Ross lives in anything with a porch
More like balconies and verandas.
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just means
I will have to bring the catapult (aka the crapapult) with me.
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Also we have Daboll
So dont be looking to some great pass attack when he is a ground n pound guy
"Im in psychoville and Finkle's the mayor"
"Your gun is digging into my hip"
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umm hes not as ground and pound as u think
His biggest attribute is his work with QBs
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jan 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
... and the wildcat, to some extent...
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
That was because he had terrible QB play and needed to find a way to win.
He was working with what he had.
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draft a QB in the third round
And I still think we should try to nab Troy Smith from San Fran. We could probably get him for a future non determined pick. This will give us tw young QBs with chips on their shoulder,along with Henne"also with a chip on his shoulder"
Also note,Troy Smith already has a repoire with Hartline,and he was doing some okay things with Ginn,its worth a shot
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jan 24, 2011 12:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No and no
when is the last time a 3rd round QB panned out for anyone? Keep thinking….you are going to be here for a while. We need a 1st round QB, O-Lineman will be plentiful in this draft so we can nab them with our other picks.
Unless you are an Ohio State fan I have no idea why you want Troy Smith….I mean, SF doesnt really seem to want him back and to me that speaks volumes.
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Joe Montana
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
I've never won a Matty, so I'll give myself the "Classic Marino BALLS" award. Thanks to all who voted for me.
AND
how many years ago was that? 28? Oh, wait, Brady in the 6th…..so that is 2 QB’s in umpteen hundred years. I dont think a “one-time find” clearly disputes the fact that 1st round QB’s pan out way more than all QB’s taken in the later rounds.
But kudos for knowing that off hand…..and I take the kudos away if you googled it to figure it out!!
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LOL. No, I didn't google it. I am just into trivia stuff.
And it was 32 years ago, to be exact. I am not in any way supporting the idea of marginalizing the QB position, BTW. I want to get our guy right off the bat.
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
I've never won a Matty, so I'll give myself the "Classic Marino BALLS" award. Thanks to all who voted for me.
Yep
in agreement on this one. And 32 years just furthers my point. lol
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First off,Cleveland got their QB in the third round i believe,and im a firm believer this front offices ability to find things in people others seem to miss
With that being said,on to my next idea. Troy Smith hasn’t been given a fair chance. In Baltimore,they got Flacco,and in San Fran,they had Alex Smith. Notice one thing,unlike our boy in Tennessee,he’s handled his situation with class and composure.
He WILL come with a chip on his shoulder,and he’s everything we wanted Pat White to be. With Penne to teach him mechanics,and accuracy,I believe this guy could be a difference maker,and can be had cheap.
Look,when dealing with the offseason,I try to think outside the box,and obvious answers,and maybe I’m not 100% accurate,but NO ONE is looking at him,which means two things to me.
1. He will be looking to make a statement
2. He will appreciate the chance more than the other big names being thrown around here.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jan 24, 2011 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So,
you are quoting Colt McCoy as your reasoning? Last time I checked, he hadnt done anything yet other than beat out Jake….but lets be honest, I could beat out Delhomer. Not saying Colt wont be good…but he hasnt proved it yet.
As for Troy Smith, you are either Mr Smith himself or just escaped the insane asylum. You actually referenced that he had to beat out Alex Smith? Alex Smith? Yeah, about that…………..
I understand the thinking outside of the box, and kudos for trying it out….but you fell out the box and banged your head on the concrete on this one.
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If Troy gets cut and we can pick him up cheap, I'll take a look/see,...
His last game as a Buckeye he got killed, from there I haven’t followed him. The knock on him seemed to be his height if I’m correct, but Flutie, that short shit, turned out alright after some seasoning.
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Jan 24, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there, up here in Argo country we show a little more respect to Doug Flutie. ;)
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by Ray Finkle, Isotoner Glove Spokesman on Jan 25, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
QB is not the position to skimp on...
if your reasoning is that he is cheap…then there is your answer right there. For QB’s I don’t care how much money it costs, if he is good, I want him.
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You mean like
Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch?
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 24, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, I mean like
Peyton, Eli, Rothlisraper, Palmer, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Freeman, Vick, Bradford, Rodgers….
But great job disproving me with those 2 players you named.
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how about
Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, Jason Campbell, J.P. Losman, Kyle Boller, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Cade McNown?
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
O come on...
Are you really going to say that. Yes, there have been many QB busts in the 1st round. But the fact remains that the ratio of sucessful to unsucessful QB’s is better in the 1st than in any other round. If you want to wait and take a QB later that is your perogative. But don’t be suprised when you are stuck with another Henne/White/Beck
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exactly
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you are a tool
name me that amount of QB’s that you listed that were 2nd+ round picks that are successfull from the past decade. Dont even bother answering, because I know you will only come up with 3 or 4……
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I'd rather have a rb from the third round than a qb
by Kellenman08 on Jan 24, 2011 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agree
Just one mans opinion...
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 24, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I neither agree, nor disagree...
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Well
then I must presume that I can neither agree or disagree with the fact that you niether agree or disagree.
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mike brown, president of bengals, said that he is not willing to trade carson palmer. i wonder what carson is gonna do
I'm not a huge fan of bringing him to Miami however..
There are 2 facts:
1.) He is better than any QB on our roster.
2.) If we could get him for the right price it could be a good move.
It is with these two facts that i won’t rule out any possibilty and will consider an offer but I wouldn’t give anything higher than a 4th round pick for Carson. I’d rather pursue Orton..
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i don't see how man
I don’t know how can you say those two arent 100% true. The only debate on number 1 would be a fully healthy Pennington, but he will prolly not take another snap in his life. Right now Palmer is better than Henne and Thigpen. Im not saying they won’t eventually be better but as of now Palmer is a better QB. He has proven to have a successful season as a starter, the other two have not.
And number 2 is true as well. If he is dropped and we sign him for a 1 year contract at 1mil it will be worth the roster spot just for the competition alone.
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First,
to say he is better than Thigpen when Thigpen’s last season as a starter saw a much higher TD:Int ratio shines some doubt on the whole “better than all of our QBs” argument.
Second, is any price the right price for a washed up vet? He’s just not good anymore, even with a lot of offensive weapons. I just don’t see how a change of scenery is going to make him better.
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I agree
but would give a 3rd rounder for him in a heartbeat. I would even probably trade a later second round pick for him if we acquired one by trading down in the first round (which I’m a big fan of). A great interior offensive lineman in the late first round and our traded second rounder for Palmer I think would be sweet. Also, I don’t think those “facts” are debatable as the next post says. Look at Palmer’s numbers then look at the numbers of ANY of our QBs.
Well, we did a good job fixing the defense in the last off-season and a decent job fixing the special teams during the season. Now let's find an offense!
i personally think thats a bit much
but id give a fourth for Palmer no doubt.
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Agreed, Agreed.
He has a higher QB rating and more TD’s less INTs than CH7. 4th round pick or 4th and 5th round pick. nothing more.
He is certainly better that what we have here and I am not thrilled withe QB’s coming out of college now. Let’s say we draft Ingram at 15 and trade a 4th rounder for Palmer.
Mike Brown doesn't even want to trade him...
and you expect to get him for a 4th? I don’t even think a 3rd will be enough. Yes he is much better than Henne, but do you think he is capable of leading us the the Superbowl? (I don’t think so) If not, why waste 4 years and 50 million on him?
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but i wouldn’t budge on a 3rd. screw it, let them trade him to someone else, we won’t care. I have a feeling everybody will hold out on Palmer due to his age and the fact that he said he’d retire rather then play for CIN. You watch, some team is gonna get a steal and snag him late… it could be Miami.
But I wouldn’t go in panic mode, Palmer is anything but an EASY FIX and id rather be cautious with our draft picks, we have more needs than QB and if we do use that 3rd i want it on a safer choice, like Orton.
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Why is everyone so enthralled with Kolb?
He played like crap anytime that I watched him play. I just dont get the fascination with this guy. He is not an improvement over Henne IMO.
I like Ingram, but we need to draft a QB in round 1…good running backs are a dime a dozen in the later rounds.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 25, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
They only work for 1 or 2 season's, & quality for 3/4th's of a season.
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 25, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be pissed if we use the No.15 pick on Mark Ingram
I am all for drafting him, but we should try to trade down if we’re interested in him. He’s not even guaranteed to be the first running back selected (Leshoure).
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
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You think we can get Kolb with no 2nd round pick,
and yet somehow hold onto our 1st rounder? Doubtful at best.
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And Kolb isn't even close to being worth a first-round pick
He was drafted in the second round and hasn’t done anything to validate even a second-round pick!
Pouncey or Carimi in 2011!
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yes, actually
Cam is eye-balling his sister. We already know that she will play tougher than he does…and word is that she doesn’t shy away from contact. She can’t catch though…I guess butterfingeritis runs in the family genetics.
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I really don't think Palmer, at this point, is better than Henne
Actually, NONE of the veteran option are, IMO. Not Young, not Kolb, not Orton, not Palmer. Okay, maybe Orton—but that could be the effects of the system he’s in. When he was with the Bears he had the exact rap that Henne does now—too many checkdowns, inaccurate on the deep ball. Lets not forget he was benched for Grossman.
Let Henne and a a first-round pick battle it out in camp. I would have no problem with Henne starting another season for us as long as we had a first round pick developing behind him (unless that pick’s last name is Newton, but that’s another story).
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Orton played amazingly well for The Bears,
unfortunately his receivers (or lack there of) did not. I watched him consistently hit receivers deep only for them to drop the ball.
And did you really say he was a product of Denver’s system? DENVER?? Orton turned a no-name 6th or 7th year receiver into a leader in reception yards. He was also on pace to break Dan Marino’s record for passing yards in a season before he was injured. Orton does not get the respect he deserves, the man is c-l-u-t-c-h. If the right team picks him up, he could be elite. Yeah, I said it.
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McDaniels' system, yes
the same one that made Cassel look outstanding. I hate the little shit, and i didn’t want him here, but McDaniels can coach offense, and do pretty outstanding things with a QB. This also accounts for the high yardage totals, etc.
I think you won’t find many who believe Orton played “amazingly well” when he was with the Bears. Not that he was bad, but just average. My father-in-law is a Bears fan (he’s in mourning right now, LOL) so I was paying attention to a degree. And he did get benched for Rex precisely because, for all his inconsistencies, Grossman would push the ball downfield.
I just don’t see the elite skill set. I think he’s an average QB, who in the right system can be above average.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jan 24, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bears fans are a fickle bunch
that can’t see past the QB to the real issue: Lovie Smith. Orton did indeed put the ball where it needed to be, it just didn’t show up on his stats because his #1 receiver, Devin Hester, was extremely unpolished as a receiver. And what happened to Hester? He got put primarily back on kick return duties. There is a reason why Chicago is where QBs go to die.
McDaniel’s inherited a stellar O-Line, a top QB and a Top 3 wide-out, and in the matter of two seasons turned the offense from great into mediocre. Belichek was, and is, everything New England football. McDaniels was just lucky to have his name attached.
As for Cassel, the kid is good. Belichek has an eye for good QBs, as he has shown time and again. Dwayne Bowe doesn’t go to the pro bowl without good QB play.
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"bears fans a ficle bunch" haha
its true. I do like Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler. But i dont think Lovie Smith is a problem at all. Hes a great head football coach, i think the system that has been put in place and the direction the team has moved from a personnel standpoint has been excellent. Mike Martz was a miracle worker for Jay Cutler this season and credit to Jay. It has been really fn to watch his devolopment and progression in the “greatest show on turf” scheme. And the team went to the NFC Championship game.
The Bears made the Super Bowl
and then fell off the map for half a decade, mostly due to Lovie Smith’s decision to fire the defensive coordinator that got them to the Super Bowl in the first place.
Lovie has refused to shore up his horrendous offensive line unit since I started paying attention to The Bears in 2007. (My friend and I would always go to Buffalo Wild Wings and watch both of our teams at the same time.) I’ve kept tabs on The Bears and still conclude every season that Lovie Smith is the problem there. Mike Martz was a great addition to the team (just imagine what he could have done with an offensive line), but how long will he be able to stomach working under Lovie Smith? I wouldn’t be surprised if he left during the offseason.
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If Lovie called that TO on the last drive, he needs to be fired outright
That was just awful. Looked like something Sparano would have done.
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Cassel's ok
Orton’s ok. I have no opinion on Lovie, but we are going to have to disagree about McDaniels I’m afraid. Just to restate, though, I am no fan of his and didn’t want him for the fins.
I’m not a fan of Henne, either, not after the way this year went. But I still believe bringing in a proven stopgap vet this year is a total waste. There is nobody out there to be had that’s going to give us more than a win or two above what Henne will. And a win or two isn’t worth what it would take to get them. We need to start grooming our next franchise QB, not waste resources on mediocre free agents.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Jan 24, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to disagree on McDaniel's and Orton both.
I think Orton is more than a stop-gap.
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he makes alot with a little.
That being said if we can not F#%& up or O-line liek we did this year, and go back to establishing the run (maybe take Ingram at 15) just imagine what he COULD do with Marshall, Bess, Moore, Hartline and Fasano
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Look at Drew Brees
We past up on him because of his shoulder and he is now an top 5 QB in the NFL. We need a vet. (Not to old) that has proven him self. Palmer is that guy.
but
correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt Brees like 25 at the time and it was his first shoulder surgery? There is no way that you could compare the two.
I saw Palmer throw last year, and he underthrew everything. Granted he brings other stuff to the table…but not worth a draft pick or that current contract. If he was a FA it would be another story.
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Palmer still has good years left...
C.B. was a god awful team last year. The year before when they went to the play offs he had a good year. A new setting might be the best for him. But with all the QBs avaible or wanting out hes the best bet.
i agree the contractual terms
of his current deal are going to make it really tough for him to find a new team.
Moot point now
Mike Brown denied his trade request today.
CEO and Founder of the Draft Ryan Mallet bandwagon.
and
Nick Satan denied that he would be the next Alabama coach………….
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That is not the same,
what that means is that Palmer is not allowed to talk to other teams about a trade, so until that changes he is not an option.
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by uncle finster on Jan 25, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
No, what I mean is that
people will say one thing and then turn around and do the exact opposite. Rember how Sparano was “happy” with his WR’s…then magically went all in on Marshall and dealt Ginn for a sack of pinto beans? Point is talk is cheap in the NFL.
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Yes indeed talk is cheap.
but that is the difference, this isn’t talk, this was an action, he didn’t say he was going to deny it, he did deny it, formally, so he is not on the market.
But I’m sure you could get him if you wanted to overpay with a couple 1st rounders, but Palmer is not allowed to seek a trade, as a team you would have to go through the team to get him in a trade.
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by uncle finster on Jan 25, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
NO TO CARSON.....
Bringing in Palmer will turn out to be the same crap as it was to bring Trent Green… and that didnt work out well now did it??? I would much rather have Orton BY FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can't really see that happening with this staff
Even though I completely want to puke at the idea, I expect we’ll see Locker here.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 25, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I would also disagree,
but at the same time I don’t think he is NFL ready right now, he needs to be on a team for a couple years first imo.
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by uncle finster on Jan 25, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Can we get Don Strock back?
Best backup QB ever.
I'd rather try and get Hanie from Chicago
than get Palmer. Hanie at least looked good in a high-pressure situation with little to no practice reps leading up to the game. He was hitting receivers deep in stride. It was pretty impressive.
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REALLY impresssive not pretty impressive. lol.
I thought he was outstanding for the situation he was put in. He showed poise, mobility good vision and good ballplacement. It was really a treat watching him finish the game yeasterday, i think he did a great deal for his future finacially.
Yeah,
Hanie was the best part of that game. Maybe his name sounds close enough to Henne that the Henne supporters will get confused and support bringing him in.
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He definitely did.
I wonder which team will contact The Bears first.
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He moved like a vet against the Blitz
It was pretty fantastic. But he might be a one-game wonder. And his interceptions were pretty awful.
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they werent aweful to me.
Hes still just a young pup. The first one was essentially a clever play call from Dom Capers. He brought the heat and dropped and the safeties. obviously a young quarterback sees that and insta throws the quick slant, and he never saw B.J. Raji drop off the line. Lesson learned. I thought he rebounded so well from that and showed great leadership, poise and accuracy as you mentioned. On the next series where The Bears scored a Touchdown Dom Capers showed him some more convulated looks but he wasnt nearly as trigger happy and it payed off due to mobility and vision. The second one was just trying to make something happen on forth down under diress. All in all very impressive, really raised his status as a quality backup, much like what Charlie Whitehurst did in the late portion of the season.
by civwarbuff on Jan 24, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HELL NOOOO!!!......
Keep Chad Henne…let’s see how he works with Daboll and the new QBs coach…
Trade down in the draft…reacquire a 2nd round pick…like last year…and draft any of the QBs still available later in the 1st round…one or some will slip for sure…
And bring in a veteran QB to compete…no draft picks wasted…no bad contract taken…no sloppy seconds!…maybe with an improved line…and game plan…everything will start rolling!…
GO ’FINS!!!…
well heres the deal.
If this front office makes the assesement that Chad Henne isnt the longterm solution, people will be outraged if they draft someone again in the second round. If they are to draft another QB it will be at 15 or even trading up into the top 10. If they come to a different conclusion on Chad, what your suggesting, then we have far to many needs to fill to even trade down and take a Pat Devlin say in the 2nd round. But the option of trading down is appealing.
I gotcha...
But I’m not entirely sold in this QB class…as far as a franchise QB goes…trading up…more names than anything…I need an Andrew Luck to give up on Henne so soon…
I’m more intrigued to know if Henne’s light can still switch on…with the new OC and everything…(being optimistic about Daboll btw)…althought as expected he didn’t endorsed Henne in his press conference…as he was mentioning the attributes he looks in QBs I didn’t saw many in Henne…so my intrigue would end right there…
As you said…making the assesement would be critical…but I would prefer to trade down…get a 2nd rounder like last year (fill more holes)…draft a QB (I assure you that some of the QBs will still be available)…I don’t know man…
Let me ask…are you done with Henne?…don’t you think he still has a chance of being good?(sold on Daboll righting the ship also?)…sold on any of the QBs?…what do you think is our biggest need btw?…RB?(speed?)…a Mark Ingram later in the 1st?…so many ???…LOL!…
by Javier Marino on Jan 24, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ok lots of questions, and yes lots of needs where to start.
As for Chad Henne, no i am not sold that he cant devolop into a great player but many of problems are very persistant. Things that i see from Chad that need to improve at a faster rate than they have are Pocket awareness and moblity in the pocket while maintaining his vision downfield, munipulating defenders with his eyes, move faster through his progressions, avoid pulling the trigger so quickly on his checkdowns which correlates with anxiety in the pocket, improved accuracy and ballplacement, and a few other things.
The area i disagree with people on is that i do think he has improved, i really do feel as though as a whole his body of work got a little bit more consistant throughout each week of the 2010 season. Of every game Chad henne has played in in his carreer the three games i judged him to make the least amount of mental errors in were all this season and in the second half of the year (Oakland, Buffalo, Detroit). So no im not convinced that he cant be great, but ill be the first to admit he has a LONG way to go.
As for the Brian Daboll hiring i have very mixed feelings on it. i think he is a guy Tony Sparano will be very comfortable with but his style of playcalling and track record concern me a bit. But i do trust Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparanos judgement.
As for needs to me our biggest need is the interior of the offensive line, a reason why id love to trade down. This is a really deep draft on the line which is great. Im hoping Richie Incognito will make the move permanently to center and allow Joe Berger (who i think gets alot of unfair critisism) become a rotational player.
I dont like John Jerry very much which breaks my heart because id love for him to be the answer. i think his footwork is sloppy and hasnt improved much, he isnt very good in space and at the second level, and struggled heavily in pass protection form a fundamental standpoint, all things Berger is better than him at, and they both are just OK at the point of attack. Pat McQuistan is well ……Pat McQuistan (and a free agent) and Vernon Carey is very inconsistant which even more so emphasizes the much needed depth in the interior. (Jake Long on the other hand…as far as im concerned Jake Long and Joe Thomas are head and shoulders the best Tackles in the game of football, period.
As for the RBs. Well they are all free agents. I think Ronnie brown will be resigned but hopefully fairly cheap, but i actaully believe Ricky, Lex and Patrick Cobbs will all walk in free agency.
We need speed at the Wr position BADLY which is well documented and also a really good compliment to Tony Fasano in the run game at TE as well as a great pass catching TE. i think one would do wonders for Chad Henne. Im really interested in Merceded Lewis and Zach Miller for this role. I would prefer Free agency to the draft as far as TEs.
As for QBs coming out of college. Jake Locker makes more and more and more…and more nervous the more i watch him. Blaine Gabbert and Ryan Mallet are to me the most pro ready QBs, and have alot of great tape.
Lots of good points...
I agree almost completely with your assessment of Henne…basically he’s still got ways to go…but we also need to remember that he doesn’t even have two complete seasons under his belt yet…so there’s still hope with him…he’s flashed brilliantly at times…
Of the QB class…I like Ryan Mallet the most…and I think we could still get him…even if we trade down…which is what I want…
Brian Daboll…the jury will be deliberating for a while…he’s already here…we’ll see…
The RBS…Ricky Williams will always be one of my favorites…but I think he has to go…same for Cobbs (I think he’s overrated on ST…Sparano needs to cut the cord damn it!)…I would keep Lex…nothing to lose with him…give him more touches to see what he has…AND with Ronnie…man it’s tough…I don’t think he’ll come cheap to retain…and even though he was healthy this year…that hasn’t been the norm…I think he’s due for more injuries…The Wildcat is useless…only if we can find a lightning to his thunder (Mark Ingram…sorry I couldn’t contain myself!…lol)…and if his contract is cap-friendly…I would consider re-signing him…big IFs!…also we need to see who would be available in free agency…
by Javier Marino on Jan 24, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Great point with the WRs…I think we’re in good shape…but the need to bring in a deep threat is real…someone who can stretch the field…I love Brandon Marshall…I think he was underused…but I don’t think he’s a deep threat…let him man the middle…get his yards after catch…do his thing (throw him the DAMN ball)…but a speedy deep threat is a must if this offense wants to get to the next level…forget about Wallace or Moore (I would still keep Moore for competition)…the player we are talking about isn’t on the roster…
I cannot agree more with a catching TE to complement Fasano…great point…and Marcedes Lewis would be a great add…I don’t like to mention names…‘cause you never know who will actually be out there with this CBA thing…but he’s a pretty darn good speculation…
And then…the O-line…didn’t we have this thing settled in ‘09?…what happened?…isn’t this our HC’s specialty?…lot of work to do here…I think this is our biggest need…along with RB…whatever we do here…will impact the QB play…and the RB production…so this is huge…Incognito was good and I like him…I know he started in the league as a C…but I still have my doubts…taking Berger out of the starting 5…(which btw was a huge mistake to begin with)…and Nate Garner’s return will take care of the backups…Vernon Carey is starting to scare me…I would love to move him inside soon…but I still feel the need to bring one big talent…via free agency…or the draft (Mike Pouncey would be HUGE)…so let’s see…at least we have #77!…the best!…
Our defense is good…I think Nolan did a great job…I still hate Channing Crowder…but what can I do about it?…I absolutely expect Reshad Jones to breakthrough next soon…I think Yeremiah’s days are counted…love our D-line…re-sign Soliai ASAP!…Dansby was worth every penny IMO…and I really hope EarthWake is for real…
Can’t wait to start the post-Parcells era…
by Javier Marino on Jan 24, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, we're now up to 4 Dolphins selected for the Pro Bowl...
They just added Starks…not bad…too bad Long can’t play…
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110124_randy_starks_named_to_afc_pro_bowl_squad
i know im so happy for him.
Matty said earlier in the year that moves like acquiring Randy Starks are ones that cement Defenses and put the foundation in place for championships. And hes right. What a great player he has become, and shown so much devolopment. As an organization this FO has done an amazing job fielding one of the premier D-lines in the NFL.
I think we should go for Andy Dalton in the 3rd, he may be there in the 4th.
No chatter about him at all and the guy is a winner winner chicken dinner kinda player. 40 plus wins, 4 year starter. That would be my pick.
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Give some reasons.
Nah
We’ll take Holmes though.-)
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Could have had Holmes for a 5th round pick. Instead the Phins used that pick on Nolan Carrol or Reshad Jones.
Which of those players had the bigger impact this year?
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looking back although im not a fan of him
Santonio would have looked AWESOME next to MARSHALL.
But i’m glad the Jets took him, if not we wouldn’t have witnessed the worst drop in the rivalry’s history and beat the Jets at home, again.
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I don’t know if we will keep both him and Braylon.
by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 24, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Relying on him was
he got injured way too much.
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That was always the problem
Chad was a class act and was great at moving the chains. He just couldn’t stay healthy. Shame too because I always liked him, even after he became a fish. ;)
by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 24, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hate to be in your shoes
Especially with Rex Ryan there. But you can keep Clemmens (and Ryan…)
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Please, Rex rules
He’s a great HC and his record over the last two years shows that. I would rather have him than Belichick. The Jets are fun and he’s the reason for that.
by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 24, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
I would much rather have Rex than Sparano. Too bad he was our 2nd choice.
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Can any of you see Matt Flynn with the Dolphins??
…I can.
Aside from his one game against the Patriots where he did very well, Flynn played at LSU for Les Miles who used a pro style offense…AND he had a couple 4th quarter comebacks against some pretty good SEC competition which tells me he doesnt wilt on a big stage.
I like this idea better than bringing in another dead-arm veteran. We have one of those.
Let Flynn compete with Henne and grab Ingram or J. Jones in round one.
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well said.
couldn’t of said it better myself lol
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I can't tell if this is a joke.
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People are burning Jay Cutler Jerseys on the Streets of Chicago...
jusssssssst saying…..
The Fish are no longer food
it turned out to be MCL though
as much as i feel one way about this, which i do, its a terrible injury. If he and Mike Martz made the assesement that Todd Collins, or ultimatly Kaleb Hanie gives the team the best chance to win, well then thats what has to be done.
and i heard NE was upset about Tom Brady's performance.....
lol
Laces out!
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BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
No.
Maybe if it was five years and a hand full of severe injuries ago. But not now.
Palmer has the exact same competitiveness as Chad Henne does — and that is to say, not very much. He’s been the leader of the Bengals team for years and hasn’t had much success. Yeah, he’s been put in a bad position personnel wise on some instances, but so what? Leadership isn’t something he’s ever shown much of and its not something he’s going to learn at 32.
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Gawd....soon someone's going to post that we're going to coax Farve out of retirement... lol
There’s nothing really out there…we need to draft, and draft well.
no no no
no more cast off qb’s enough is enough. train the guy you have, or draft a new one. period.
I don't know how to fix the Fins, but I want it fixed NOW!
He isn't a cast off.
He is demanding to leave the Bengals; they aren’t done with him and don’t want to let him go.
Well, we did a good job fixing the defense in the last off-season and a decent job fixing the special teams during the season. Now let's find an offense!
NO
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If Carson Palmer was the QB for the Phins this year, the Phins would have been in the playoffs.
No doubt in my mind. Palmer playing QB would have given the Phins 3-4 more wins. Does anyone really think that Palmer wouldn’t have beaten the Lions, Browns, and Bills at home if he were QBing the Phins? Does anyone think that Palmer wouldn’t run a better 2 minute offense than Henne?
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Do you think he is worth 11 mil per year?
I don’t think so. Not anymore
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A quality starting QB in the NFL makes a lot of money. I don't care what a player makes, I don't pay them.
Was Jake Grove worth the $14.5 million that he was paid for 10 games?
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good point.
Laces out!
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-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Didn't he get swept by the Browns?
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How are people defending all of Palmer's ints?
Did Orton not throw the same amount of TDs with far fewer INTS?
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Come on now
you should know that stats to back up opinions are not allowed in here. It is all about “perception” and only that. Logic is clearly not allowed in here.
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this is stupid ,we have a new of and te coach let daboll do his job and develope chad henne a lot of old fins players have said it best.he looked like he was playing with handcuffs on all the time .lets start with the oline and recievers to help out henne .and heres a thought.lets get a rb that can make runs even if the oline misses there asst.and how abou a better upgrade at tight end 2 .that can help fasono,and a fullback 2
NO and Hell NO!
Daboll and palmer Hell No!
Cant we all we just agree to go draft our own?
The two best QB’s this franchise has had were both first round picks. Shouldnt we do it a third time considering were 2 for 2?
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Yes thank you...
I really do not see the problem with trying to get a Franchise QB
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neither do I
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We pick at 15
…and considering the number of teams that will probably take QBs ahead of us, I dont see too many first round quality QBs there when we draft. If Locker somehow falls to us, I’d grab him. He seems like the more pro-ready of the bunch even though his stock seems to be dropping.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
QB's ALWAYS drop
there is almost always a QB available in the 2nd half of the first round.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 25, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Dan Marino!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
exactly
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We need to start spreading bad rumors about Gabbert!
And lower his stock…
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YES
I heard he likes to look at the other guys in the shower……
Quick, now email this out to all the other NFL teams!
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... so he would know if it's true about black men....
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
and then he finds out that it is true
except for Alpha being the exception to the rule
lol
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.... the "Stallion" in Italian Stallion does have a meaning....
lol
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Does that question keep you up at night, lol
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by uncle finster on Jan 25, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Um.....
… no.
But I do have other issues… lol
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I heard his mother was a prostitute...
and that he was actually her pimp.
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Was he any good?
Considering that he was our last 1st round QB pick taken….people are acting like drafting a QB in the first round is like the dang plague or something! How many of those 2nd round+ QB picks have worked for us thus far???
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Maybe not this year,
since there are only three 1st round worthy QBs and several teams looking for QBs.
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by uncle finster on Jan 25, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
it's the same story every year though
in a 2 QB draft, Brady Quinn dropped to the 20’s. And don’t bring up “well he was a bust” because at the time, he was a highly-touted QB prospect. In a 2 QB draft, Aaron Rodgers dropped to the 20’s.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 26, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and yes
Dont know how many times I am going to keep saying it…but I will!
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please lets draft a qb in the 1st
trade all we need to make it happen, we can still build the o line in f a. carson palmer ….epic fail….. cutler hmmmm at least more intriguing.
CAN WE PLEASE GET A FUCKING QUARTERBACK THAT IS NOT WASHED UP?!?!
CAN WE PLEASE ACTUALLY USE A HIGH DRAFT PICK ON A QUARTBACK, LIKE REAL TEAMS DO?!
if the draftee busts than oh well, we are in the same position we are in now, we just lose 4 years or so.
FUCKING TAKE A CHANCE FRONT OFFICE.
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 24, 2011 8:28 PM EST reply actions
How about someone with potential to go "up"
I’d take VY, Henne, Draft pick, Orton, over palmer…hell, even Matt Flynn sounds better. No more band-aid no upside solutions…I can’t take it anymore…
Henne was unwatchable this year...
If he starts for us I’m gonna have a knot in my stomach come opening day. To say it lightly, Henne played like absolute shit this year.
Laces out!
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BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Can he throw a slant?
Ill take anyone who can throw that pass to Marshall or deep ball to Hartline. If not, PASS
Will we use slants?
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 24, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
No Palmer would rather wait for a young guy like Ricky Stanzi to develop
I hope the dolphins do not take a chance on Palmer. Though Palmer is an upgrade to Henne, Palmer has arm issues and a salary that is just too much for the Dolphins to deal with. I think that the dolphins should stick with henne and wait for a young QB in the draft to develop for a season or two it will be better for the team in general.
Depends on the cost
Of our options from Fa and trade he is clearly the best. Even not as good as he used to be Palmer is better then Henne and most of our options. I think if we can get him without losing our 1st rounder you do the deal, of course his contract would have to be reworked, but if he is serious about being traded he would be open to such a thing.
I would not give up a first round pick for him but we would be foolish to pass if he could be had for less.
God No!! He couldn't do anything there with the talent he had!
Desperate times do not call for these type of Desperate measures!! Even the Titanic had better options than this!!! Ricky Stanzi out of Iowa looked good in his first day of Senior Bowl practice… Could be a sleeper… Locker from Wash. looked like he needed one more year of College.
I wouldnt spend on palmer
He hasnt proven to an outsider(me) that he is worth the type of money that he is making
He is being vastly overpaid.
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... enormously!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
No to Palmer
Pre-injuries and I would be all over this trade. Get it done! But with his knee and arm, the way he has played……I think we would be better off with Henne. In fact, right now, I would take Henne over Palmer.
Palmer McNabb Young Kolb
Think outside the box, there has got to be better options
by The Last Shall Become First on Jan 25, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions
Palmer has been pretty invisible in some of the past few games. I don’t think the Dolphins will miss him much. Plus, the agility and power is fast fading. Perhaps they should just let him go, the team is currently string and I don’t see any shakeups if he departs.
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