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Daboll. Draft. QB's an O-line

Well it's official Brian Daboll will be our Offensive coordinator. While it's hard to get excited about a guy with hardly any creditability. I am excited we don't have to see Dan Henning calling plays for Miami anymore. Even though word from Browns fans have him sounding like Henning 2.0. Which has fanned our excitement on the matter.  We'll just have to wait and see what Daboll does with better talent and hope he's not Henning 2.0.

Daboll two biggest issue to get squared away is the Oline and QB. He will also have to figure out the RB deal. But serviceable backs aren't hard to find these days IF you have a good Oline.

First off there's the QB. 

Note: A lot of said Daboll good with QB's. That must be inside info. I don't know of a QB he's groomed that is successful in the NFL. Pennington was good prior to Daboll and Fave already retired 100 times before Daboll coached him. So I'm not buying the myth being spread around the web that he's a QB guru. That has yet to be proven.

Chad Henne: I really would like him to develop. But he doesn't have "IT" and it's time to move on. However, Henne will likely get his last chance this upcoming season. Unless we bring in a proven vet. 

Tyler Thigpen: There have been rumors saying we will spread the field with Daboll. I think this is a scheme Thigpen will excel at. Unfortunately, Thigpen enters FA and word on the street says he's gone. Some fans say Thigpen sucks. But my gut tells me otherwise. If you judge Thigpen from the Bears game you're "a smart one".

Tom Brandstater: Journeyman. enough said.

Chad Pennington: I have nothing but respect for him. He wants to come back, but I think he should retire.

That likely leaves us bringing in two QB's. I'm prefer drafting them. However I don't like the top QB's. (click on their name to see their stats) I'm not a fan of FA QB's. We've been there done that. 

My favorite of the Top QB's is Blaine Gabbert. But he's a one year wonder so that's nothing to bank on. Cam Newton is just like Pat White, just bigger. Amazing in college but will likely struggle in the NFL. Especially for the first couple of years. Ryan Mallet has great stats. But he has a problem with ball placement. I also think he needs speedy WR's to be successful. Something we don't have in Miami. Jake Locker, regarded as the best athlete of the top tier QB's. Here's the problem. His completion average was  55.4 %. His fans will tell you he played with inferior talent. So did Thigpen in Kansas city. Are these the same people who say Thigpen sucks? hmmmm. Anyways, there's a rule saying you don't draft a QB in the first two rounds with a below 60% completion ratio. Expect his stock to drop, especially if he doesn't excel in the senior bowl. I'm all for spending a first round pick on a QB. Hell I promoted selling the house for Luck if he entered the draft.  But these guys scare me. Strangely enough I like one mid-round QB way more than than the first rounders. Andy Dalton. He's accurate with a good arm. Puts the ball where it should be. He's mobile, a leader, and a winner. A knock on him is his size 6' 2". Another mid round QB i like is, Scott Tolzien. Not the biggest arm but highly accurate. Ricky Stanzi,  is a one year wonder, but a late round pick unlike Gabbert. He's untested though, he faced easy defenses.  [Thanks to the Duke I'll add Pat Devlin.]

 

Oline

How many holes are there? After some shifting around and getting a healthy Nate Garner back? one? <Jake Long, Nate Garner, Incognito, ?, and Cary>  Listen I was the first to criticize Cary for his lapses. But unless we find an actual upgrade it will be difficult to replace him. Nevertheless, we need to find some good prospects to battle with the starters.

Looking at the draft. A list of Oline men the fit our size requirements (over 300 lbs) in the projected first three rounds according to. http://www.cbssports.com/

Guards: names; rounds height

  1. Mike Pouncey; late 1st round. 6'4"
  2. Orlando Franklin; 2-3              6'7"
  3. Benjamin Ijalana; 2-3              6'4"
  4. Stephen Schilling 3                6'5"
  5. John Moffitt 3-4                      6'4"

Centers: names; rounds height

  1. Stefen Wisniewski; 2     6'3"
  2. 2 Kristofer O'Dowd; 3-4  6'4"

Tackles: names rounds height

  1. Derek Sherrod 1          6'5"
  2. Nate Solder 1-2           6'8"
  3. Anthony Castonzo 1-2 6'7"
  4. Gabe Carimi 1-2          6'7"
  5. DeMarcus Love 2         6'5"
  6. Jason Pinkston 2         6'4"
  7. Danny Watkins 2-3      6'4"
  8. Marcus Cannon 2-3      6'5"
  9. Marcus Gilbert 3          6'5"
  10. James Carpenter 3-4    6'5"

In conclusion. I hope there's football in 2011. Win or Lose, I love to see this team play.

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rec for having similar viewpoints 54!

You mentioned Andy Dalton. He would be a great pick if we don’t land a guy like Locker or Newton in the late first or second rounds. Dalton is a winner and I think he’s got a chance. I’m not too concerned with Locker’s completion percentage, and here’s why: Look where Parcell’s rules for drafting a quarterback got the Dolphins with Henne. But, having said that, maybe Parcells wasn’t wrong about Henne. Maybe with a new OC and a new QB coach he proves all his naysayers wrong!

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you.

now read this. It’s a great read about trying to predict a QB’s success.

http://www.scoresreport.com/2010/04/20/can-we-predict-a-quarterbacks-success/

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Very interesting stuff.

I think the most important part of drafting a quarterback is what happens AFTER the draft. Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for years, developing in a tremendous coaching environment. Brady has been with Belichick since day one. Bill Polian created the Indianapolis Colts as we know them today, and Peyton Manning had the luxuries of Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James in his early career. I just don’t think that Henne had a good situation in Miami. I’m glad that David Lee and Dan Henning are gone, and I hope he can turn it around. If that’s the case, we could be looking at having a Philadelphia-like problem of having too many quality quarterbacks sometime in the future.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

But his leash is as short as they come. That would be an awesome and ironic after all these years.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article thanks

"The world we create is the world we live in."

by MightyHal on Jan 29, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i think if we get Henne's confidence back he should be good enough

just shore up the line and get that deep threat. I would trade our 1st with San Diego for their (2) seconds and (2) 3rds. We have Odrick hopefully coming back strong.

1. get Mankin
Draft 2-3 Offensive lineman in rounds 2-3
Resign Ronnie 3 yrs 10mil
get another running back on FA
draft a speedy WR (Shorts or Jernigan) hopefull he can return punts also.
get Owens or Miller at TE

Does Da’ Balls get to choose his own QB coach?

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Free Agency was something I forgot to talk about on my post.

Mankins is a must have IMO. He is the missing piece to a potentially elite offensive line. I’ve done a lot of research on Jernigan, and he seems to be more of a Percy Harvin type receiver than a Mike Wallace.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the odds we get Mankins?

I was going to include getting him. But i don’t see it happening.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know anything for certain.

But I believe he’s an unrestricted free agent. He is unhappy in New England. I remember at the beginning of the season he was holding out and was publicly unhappy with his situation. So I think that if Miami is willing to offer him a mega deal (and he’s worth it), he could very well end up on the Dolphins.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

we did unload some money on the OL

last year( to our detriment i might add) so i guess $$$$ will do the talking

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

We were paying a lot of money to Jake Grove and Justin Smiley.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

would 5 years - 40 mil do it?

the left side would be great and put Incognito at center.

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i think this 50 yr fat man

could run on the left side

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes, Jake Long and Logan Mankins

Is a left side that has all-time-great potential. We could be watching NFL Films Top 10 linemen duos in a few years and see them at the top.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

if we could get a line similar to 72

Evans, Little, Langer, Kuch, Moore we would be good for years to come.
Long, Mankins, Incognito, Draft, Carey(draft).

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that you mention it

I believe 8 million a year was the ballpark Mankins was holding out for. Similar to the Mangold deal.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

heck we gave

Smiley and Grove 5yr each for 25m/29m respectively. Give Incognito 5 yr for the diff 5/14m.

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Money you say?

No problem. Ross has it. Just playing for a rival team and a rebuilding team offense might keep him away. But if he’s all about the money we might as well roll out the welcome mats now.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think he may be so turned off by the Patriots

That he might actually want to stick it to them and sign with the Dolphins! Go Mankins!

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be sweet.

It would fill a Big need and would free up the draft.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope we get Mankins as well, that would be absolutely huge. But I think it all depends

on when FA will take place, if the draft comes before FA this year I can almost assure that we will draft someone rather than roll the dice with trying to bring him in. It sucks, but it’s the safe route.

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"Heaters gonna heat."

by phinnyhenne28 on Jan 19, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post 54

I think you should add Pat Devlin to your list of non-first round QB prospects. I think he can be a good QB.

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by The Earl on Jan 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks

Done!. Looks like Flacco

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and one more name to add

Nathan Enderle from Idaho. He’s another good non-first round QB to keep an eye on.

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by The Earl on Jan 19, 2011 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not so hot on him

Go to have 60% or greater completion record.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

But he's not really a 1st round prospect though

He could be a developmental player that we draft in a later round.

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by The Earl on Jan 19, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

I don’t mind taking him in the later rounds.

Kacy Rodgers Our D-Line Coach. Got to give him some credit.
Andy Dalton. My favorite QB of this draft. Look him up.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jan 19, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

you never know

there are always gems to be found in those late rounds or UDFAs.

"I likem me some UDFAs"

by Phintastic on Jan 19, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that he recently changed some things about his throwing mechanics.

He seems to be another project guy but what’s different about him is that he actually had some freedom to read defenses and performed pretty well. I’m interested in him because he is an accurate quarterback with good size and one of his strengths is his pocket mobility. And more importantly, the Dolphins might be able to pick him up as late as the seventh round or in free agency.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Just read Devlin's report at ESPN Insider

He seems to be a project quarterback with a quick release. If Daboll could clean up his footwork, he could improve his accuracy and arm strength. He’s projected to go in the 5th round, so even if the Dolphins drafted someone like Jake Locker, they could turn around and pick up Pat Devlin late.

by vincemoss86 on Jan 19, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He's played mostly in a shotgun offense

Reports from the East-West Shrine Game is that he has been struggling with taking snaps under center. His accuracy was an issue due to that.

It depends how his Shrine game, combine, and workouts go. I could see him sneaking into the 2nd round, but is likely a 3rd round pick (according to some).

aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Driving the Roberto Wallace Bandwagon
Newton, Locker, or Gabbert in 2011
Unofficial Phinsider DJ

by The Earl on Jan 19, 2011 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

doesnt throw long and wobbles passes......eh.....project version of flacco minus the arm

Just one mans opinion...
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"We will have 4 new linebackers via FA and the draft" - 2010

by MagicDolphin on Jan 19, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love Devlin on the cheap

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by Farorefox on Jan 19, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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