A Cleveland perspective on new Dolphins offensive coordinator Brian Daboll
The hot topic in Miami right now concerning the Dolphins is obviously the hiring of former Browns offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for the same position with the Dolphins. I do think that yesterday's post sparked some good debate amongst us Dolphins fans regarding the team's new offensive coordinator. But I felt it was important to also get some thoughts from a different perspective - from the point of view of a Cleveland Browns fan.
Daboll spent two seasons in Cleveland as their offensive coordinator. So I figured I'd be crazy not to get some thoughts on the move from Chris Pokorny, the main man at Dawgs By Nature - SBN's Browns blog.
Below is what Chris had to say about his team's former offensive coordinator:
Brian Daboll was the Browns' offensive coordinator for two seasons, each of which were slightly different. In the first year, Daboll seemed lost, although who wouldn't when you have Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn under center. Neither quarterback could complete a pass, so then for the final four games of the season, Daboll deployed a new strategy: basically forget the passing game, and do nothing but run the football and use Joshua Cribbs in the Wildcat. Cleveland won their final four games of 2009 after a 1-11 start.
In 2010, even though the thought of Jake Delhomme doesn't exactly spell"upgrade at quarterback," that is what Daboll treated him as. It was clear the Browns did not have the receivers to support an aerial attack though, and to begin the season, Cleveland failed to run the football very much, costing the team several games. Mid-way through the season, the commitment to the run under Peyton Hillis became a little bit better and fans were warming up to Daboll a little bit.
What happened next cost Daboll dearly: teams began loading the box and run blitzing Hillis right off the line. No adjustments were made. The playcalls would run Hillis right up the gut even if the entire defense was there. If we weren't going to run it, we would line our quarterback up in Shotgun, making it too predictable that we weren't going to run. On top of that, there was a stretch where the routes on a 3rd-and-5 were always designed to go between 1-3 yards. The Browns would not take many shots down the field until they were behind by two possessions late in the game.
Daboll's strength is that he seemed very good at scripting the first offensive series or two of the game. His weakness is that he didn't utilize the team's personnel very well, and after the first two possessions, particularly in the second half of games, there seemed to be 'no method to his madness' in terms of playcalling.
I was surprised to see him get another offensive coordinator job right away. He might have been at a disadvantage in Cleveland though, where he had to work with five different quarterbacks over two seasons and some of the worst starting receivers in the league. Best of luck to the Dolphins - hopefully you don't end up as frustrated as we did with Daboll.
Thanks to Chris for his take on Daboll.
Thoughts?
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i just watched him on the presser
Henceforth, he shall be known as “Brian Q-Ball”
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions
LMFAO!!!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
or Brian Da-Q-Ball if you prefer
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love it.....
REC’D
"And my head I'd be scratchin' While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain" --Henning
"Just because I'm presumin' That I could be a human, If I only had a heart" --Henne
"But I could show my prowess, be a lion not a mou-ess
If I only had the nerve."--Sparano
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 20, 2011 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
That review doesn't exactly inspire confidence, now does it.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions
Well this is just like duh...
It was clear the Browns did not have the receivers to support an aerial attack though, and to begin the season,
Ok so you run the ball.
Mid-way through the season, the commitment to the run under Peyton Hillis became a little bit better and fans
Fans are happy.
teams began loading the box and run blitzing Hillis right off the line.
Naturally
we would line our quarterback up in Shotgun, making it too predictable that we weren’t going to run
At least you did that. It allows the QB to see the defense better.
The Browns would not take many shots down the field until they were behind by two possessions late in the game
No sh*t. You just got through saying:
It was clear the Browns did not have the receivers to support an aerial attack
His weakness is that he didn’t utilize the team’s personnel very well
The fact of the matter is he didn’t have much in personnel talent to utilize. The Browns were pulling and putting ‘Int Prone’ Delhomme and ‘Rookie’ McCoy in like Came did Beck and Lemon.
Bottom Line:
I appreciate his contribution, but it just sounds to me thats just the NFL. Teams realized how good Hillis was and how sorry their QB and Wrs were. So they stacked the box just like any team would and dare them to pass. They couldn’t pass and so he just tried anything to move the ball. What else could the guy do?
Now he might come here and do the same thing, we’ll see. I’m just taking this with a grain of salt.
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
What you just described sounds eerily familiar......
That’s right. That’s what happened to us in 2008. Once teams realized we had no deep threat they stacked the box and forced CP10 to make throws he was incapable of. The failure to make second half changes also sounds too familiar. It was our defense in 2009, and a little bit of both this year.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
I agree
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Kinda like the Broncos last year when they folded after the great start
We've gone from Socrates to Snookie- Ducky
You think Cleveland's cool? I've never heard anybody say "I'm going to Cleveland on vacation." What's so good about Cleveland?- Joakim Noah
Was that last year?
Seems like every year….
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I sincerely hope Daboll can start anew with you guys…because to be quite honest Daboll was hands down the absolute worst OC in the NFL. He made Henning look like Bill Walsh.
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 19, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Now this is really DEPRESSING...
I sincerely hope Daboll can start anew with you guys…because to be quite honest Daboll was hands down the absolute worst OC in the NFL. He made Henning look like Bill Walsh.
just WOW
DRAFT:
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by DolphDallas on Jan 20, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Well, obviously that is a bit of an exaggeration, but I can’t figure out why the dolphins would be interested in an OC who shares almost all of the negative traits Henning had. And THEN some. Oh man, and THEN some….
I was reading some of the Miami’s heralds editorials and they seem to see Dabolls positive traits as 1. hes not Henning 2. He’s ‘energetic’ (as evidenced by the Joe Thomeas ‘chestbump fail’ I guess…although he seemed to show more energy arguing with our QBs and RBs after they slammed their helmets to the ground after another 3 yard route on 3rd and 6) 3. He ‘knows’ the AFC East and is of the Belichick tree (is that a good thing?)
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 20, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
they are looking for the positives
but finding it slim pickins

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
TCP on a rocket..! lol
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
LOL
just to clarify:
it’s a nuclear bomb, but yes, that’s TCP
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
You bastards!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 23, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I remember watching you guys several times and thinking
thank god our OC isn’t that bad. Well, now he is :/
Amazes me that people will try to find positives to spin out of this. And the belicheck line? There’s a laundry list of horrid coaches from it. Virtually no success as HC.
We've gone from Socrates to Snookie- Ducky
You think Cleveland's cool? I've never heard anybody say "I'm going to Cleveland on vacation." What's so good about Cleveland?- Joakim Noah
Sorry, but if you are an OC and you think your only options are run or long ball, you suck.
I am withholding opinion on Dabal, but I have to rebut the logic here.
Saying if you can’t throw the long ball, you have to run and have no response to run blitzing is a really, really bad false dichotomy.
You can design running plays out of the shotgun to at least keep the defense guessing, you can design screens to punish the run blitz. You can run short timing patterns and dink and dunk them to death. You can run pitches and sweeps instead of slamming into the blitz. You can do a million things. What you don’t do is give up and do the same thing over and over because you don’t have the personnel you want.
The long ball isn’t the only counter to the run blitz, or even necessarily the best one. Running your back into a brick wall every down is a massive indictment of whoever is calling the plays. Also a good way to prematurely lose your best player.
Side note:
“On top of that, there was a stretch where the routes on a 3rd-and-5 were always designed to go between 1-3 yards.”
Massive pet peeve of mine. Henning loved to do this. You could bet on it… if we needed 10 yards, the pass was thrown 5-8 yards. Every damn time almost. It was infuriating. And every defense we played knew that was exactly what we were going to do.
I am withholding judgment on this guy, but if this article is accurate, then I am underwhelmed. I would at least hope there was a better justification in the interview then “we didn’t have the talent.”
Well said notamarin.
As a Browns fan one thing that was maddening was Dabolls inability/refusal to implement any type of constraint plays.
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 19, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
No method to his madness......sounds like henning. Unable to adjust..
sweeet. As long as he comes in down here. Figures out what he has, and uses each player that works for the player. Not drive some philosophy and blame players for not executing. Hopefully we bring in some speed. Saw the mock draft by Kiper yesterday. He has Ingram coming here. Just a mock and we all know what type of curveballs we get from this organization come draft day. I’d hate to have ingram…he’s another big back with out any top speed. NO break away ability. Just keep Ronnie and find somebody that can take a screen or a shotgun draw and make somebody miss.
by Phins4life2334 on Jan 20, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Which, of course, is not this post at all
Never mind
Could be he's just pissed because the Browns
have almost zero talent.
Miami Dolphin fan since 1971. Still the only UNDEFEATED team EVER!
True.
…but when you are almost continually outmatched talent wise across the board i would think you would have to be more creative in your playcalling…not go into a shell and simply bang your head against a brick wall, and run 3 yard patterns on 3rd and 7-8. These were by DESIGN…NOT simply a checkdown option. It became a running joke amongst fans and media how often this happened. It was, quite honestly, without fail.
Daboll/Mangini’s gameplans seemed to revolve around “well, we cant do this, this or this…so lets just keep it very conservative and try and manage the game.” You LOSE alot more than you win with that attitude. He DID call an excellent game against NE when he had time to prepare, and the dolphins are definitely better talent wise, so hey, maybe he’ll improve. I just still can’t fathom why the ‘phins would be interested in Daboll’s services.
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 20, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
As former Browns coach turned local radio/TV host Sam Rutigliano said…“Daboll’s ability level isn’t even acceptable for college, much less the NFL. He needs to be coaching in high school somewhere…and not as the head coach.”
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 20, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
ewwww..... ouch
as Fin Fans, we like to hope for the best… but this is going to be a tough one.
All i can say is that Daboll will only get one season to fail, and then we will likely get a new coaching regime. Not that I say that with any sort of glee… just pretty much a fact. Either he succeeds, or he and Sparano are gonzo.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think management is already gonzo for the hiring and PA spectacle...
Gonzo = Insanity
I don’t give Q-ball my trust until he gives me something I can trust in…
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I think Daboll qualifies as a ‘headscratcher’ coordinator.
You know, some coordinators make decisions and call plays where you have some concept of what they were attempting to achieve based upon the players, gameplan, down and distance, and the defense. If it fails you kinda ‘see’ what they were attempting to do—right or wrong. Daboll, on the other hand, has a ‘turn your head slighty at an angle like a dog hearing a dog whistle’ effect. It’s like, “wha…..what…was…um…what the f*ck. Was. THAT.”
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 20, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
wonderful, what's that now, three in a row?
we had that with Mularkey and Henning….
Like “WTF??? Why are you calling a HB option pass on the one yard line?”
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yay!!
let’s go Dolphins, we love Brian Daboll, rah rah reh!! now we’re sure to win the superbowl with the best players and now the best coaches – the miami dolphins are the best.
yippee.
by Don't hate on Yeremiah on Jan 19, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions
I'm confused....
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
and this is news?
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... shut it.
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Does we mean we have to score in our first 2 possessions to have a chance?
hopefully with better talent, he’ll open up the game plan. Hopefully we can get more talent during FA and the draft to support this effort.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
Sounds like he tried with what he had.
The fact that he realized neither QB was working in 2009 and just said “F*** it, we’re going wildcat” leaves me with some hope. I’m not expecting great things, just hoping for a decent offense.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Driver of the Make-John-Beck-HC Bandwagon! (Come on guys, give him a fair chancE!!!111!)
Sign Ortonomus Prime!
It is what it is.
Only next season tell us for sure. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. And the Advil close by.
Advil? How about Jack and a sack of Lortabs.....
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I thought that was your breakfast every morning.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
his midnite snack I hear
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
LOL Sounds like a nice round meal.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jan 23, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I guess there will be continuity of Offensive philosophy
Henning wasn’t that adept at end of game strategy either.
But then again it will be hard to be worse than 0-8 with 4 ints during last 2 minutes of the games!!
Eh
We’ll see
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
I just hope
the offense is not as predictable as last season other than that anything has to be better that henning
Short of large signs being held up from the sideline giving the defense the plays...
Not sure what else you could do to be as predictable as last year….
"And my head I'd be scratchin' While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain" --Henning
"Just because I'm presumin' That I could be a human, If I only had a heart" --Henne
"But I could show my prowess, be a lion not a mou-ess
If I only had the nerve."--Sparano
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 20, 2011 6:40 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter
Different team, different players, coaches, schemes etc. I mean it’s all about the players, Dick LeBeau had the worst D in the league at one point in Cincinnati (1991) and was run outta town, Gary Stevens got run outta town, Mike Mularky couldn’t win a game coordinating for us and now had Atlanta in the playoffs. Dom Capers was the reason our D sucked in 07 and now has GB playing lights out. So, if we get the players, I think this guy will succeed.
by phinhead on Jan 19, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Right on the money
Who the heck does Cleveland have on their offense. Joe Thomas is really the only guy who has ProBowl potential. That offense sucks. Nice analogy w/the Packers. Doesn’t take a genius to coach Woodson and CO.
Miami Dolphin fan since 1971. Still the only UNDEFEATED team EVER!
Thoughts?
After reading Chris’ comments how about this? We get Daboll and Henning to take DNA tests to prove they aren’t related!
I got a bad feeling about this...
... and what's to keep them from, um, getting together later?
lol
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
just as long as we don't hire their Jabba the Ryan type mutant offspring . . .
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
GIVE HIM A CHANCE GUYS!!
Apparently finishing 29th and 31st in the league in offense the only 2 years you are a coordinator isn’t a red flag for some of the Susie Sunshiners here. I mean it wasn’t his fault at all, he had no control over the situation. His team must have had the 29th and 31st-ranked offensive talent those years. Obviously we can’t judge the guy until we see what he can do with an all-star, pro-bowl offensive squad that will allow him to showcase his coaching skills. Duh! I mean did you really think it is a coach’s job to use creativity and imagination to get the most out of the personnel he had???
Tough to be worse than Henning!!!
But this team may have found THE GUY!
May be with good personal, he can improve to 25th or 26th!!!
What personel did he have exactly?
I think what he said was basically they didn’t have the personnel to showcase anything. He was making due with what they had.
"And my head I'd be scratchin' While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain" --Henning
"Just because I'm presumin' That I could be a human, If I only had a heart" --Henne
"But I could show my prowess, be a lion not a mou-ess
If I only had the nerve."--Sparano
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 20, 2011 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
just like to congratulate Daboll, hope he does well
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"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
oh yeah
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No half-time adjustments, haphazard playcalling, no vertical game
Sounds a lot like someone I know!
It is Deja Vu all over again!!!
We need a DNA sample!!
"Daboll seemed lost, although who wouldn't
when you have Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn under center." Is that the same Derek Anderson that went to the Pro Bowl when Chudzinski was OC? [sorry, I don’t know how to work the ‘blue box’ thing]
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
by Flip-her on Jan 19, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yea give him a chance
I’m pretty sure we’re better or equal offensively in every area, except maybe receiving TE than the Browns. Give the guy a chance to use his new weapons. Maybe hes got that fire now after being canned and hopefully he reads these blogs : ) haha
Lets go 4 or 5 wide, let Henne take it out of the shotgun and get the ball out of his hands early. But a complete offensive scheme change is in order. I mean did we see one post pattern completed this year? How many slants? ( I can only remember a handful and I watched 15 out of the 16 games start to finish.)
Ughhh what a disappointing season! Also, lets trade down in the first round and get that 2nd rounder back! Just my humble opinion….
Henne doesn't work well out of the shotgun
That’s why they didn’t run it that much, it forces the QB to take his eyes off of the Defense (to get the snap) and Henne doesn’t like to take his eyes off the Defense, so shotgun might not be our best option.
but thiggy does
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Fly in the ointment!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Yea
From what I gathered I think we are really gonna go after another QB
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
I guess i would go
Cam Newton, if you can’t look good against the Pac-10 (i don’t care about his team) I’m worried. Cam won the Heisman in the SEC and has better mechanics than most running QB’s.
And where do you hear the stuff from?!
Wait, you don’t wear a yellow poncho, do you?
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
I have no idea what that means :)
It’s been written a few times on twitter by @OmarKelly and there was an article on the fanshots a few days ago about Henne’s completion percentage on play action passes and it mentioned how that play forces the QB to turn his back on the D and that Henne is not comfortable taking his eyes off the D.
No I told you I was going to buy them all up.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
in both the presser today and the interview where Jeff ireland talked with the FinsidersBoth were asked about the quarterback posistion and neither on brought up Chad in any manner.
Daboll was asked about what he needs to see in a guy for him to have the right material to improve to the level he wants to see. He named ALL things Chad is well known to struggle with. All of his points. And when Jeff Ireland was asked it was essentially we will assess our options and not make an emotional decision.
which makes it just hilarious that they made him run playaction all the time
forcing him to take his eyes of the D even longer.
--the artist formerly known as Phillyfinfan--
by Brooklynfinfan on Jan 19, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
This staff is genius
We’re lucky they all got fired—— oh wait….
We've gone from Socrates to Snookie- Ducky
You think Cleveland's cool? I've never heard anybody say "I'm going to Cleveland on vacation." What's so good about Cleveland?- Joakim Noah
Gotta wait and see
Hopefully Ireland and Sporano will give him some players to work with. Good players make coaches a lot smarter! So i sit with my fingers crossed hoping we are not slowly devolving into the Chicago Cubs of the NFL.
well
he isn’t Josh McDaniels but anything over Henning is fine by me. all you so called fans who base your lives off the Dolphins every move really need to find some help bcuz you might kill yourselves. but if we get Sproles, draft my boy Pouncey out my favorite college Florida( GO GATORS)
Ok , the cleveland fan just stated everything we are trying to get away from lol,
but i will give him a chance and i wait to see a sample of his plays here in Miami b4 i judge him.
aka: SEX PANTHER
This instills confidence
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Jan 19, 2011 5:41 PM EST reply actions
you forgot to use the sarcasm box
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
This is shit.....
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Henning redux...
…is how I look at Daboll. He didnt generate a whole bunch of interest from other OC-seeking teams… Another ‘shrewd gambit’ by Ross and Ireland.. ..This tells me they just looked for some guy that Tony could handle. Tony, I believe, was cowed by Henning to some degree and deferred to his play calling..
Ireland’s introductory press conference lauding Daboll was just trying to put a positive spin on a dismal season.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Maybe
They are hiring Daboll to have someone in the OC slot while they go out behind his back and look for another?
Just a thought. :)
I think we made a mistake here. Thank you Chris for confirming it.
Here’s to another year of mediocrity ! Cheers !
Jimbo
All I am saying is..
if you give Henning the weapons that Daboll had last season, he would have been lucky to score 7 ppg. Give the guy a chance. We have much better offensive players than the Browns. He had no personal to utilize well so I don’t understand that critique. Let he and the FO hand pick a QB and see what happens. We are not that far away from contending, we just need to fill a few holes. Everybody needs to relax
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"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
I want them to draft a QB in the 1st...
in all likelyhood that QB will not start right away. So we give Henne a few games in case he somehow develops (unlikely) before inserting the rookie. I think that is the best way to go.
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Parcells recommended Rex to Jets?
Off topic, and forgive the trolling LOL. But did you guys read Ian O’Connor’s article on Bill Parcells recommending Rex to the Jets in 2008? Thanks Tuna!
http://fanaticvice.com/big-tuna-recommended-rex-ryan-to-jets-while-running-the-dolphins-in-2008/
by FanaticViceSports on Jan 19, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions
I hope it was because he thought Rex
was a fat A hole who would screw things up. Otherwise……
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Say what you want about Rex's weight...
but he is a very good coach. I would much rather have him right now than Sparano. And I have meet him outside of a football setting and he is a really nice guy.
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
All i'm sayin is...It wasn't known then! hopefully
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
When ya met Rex did he look ya in the eye?....
…or did he kinda just stare at your feet?
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-LCFF
DotJPBW
(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
How long was the Daboll press conference?
Was the 9:42 video the only available? Sorry I know I asked this in another post but I’d just really like to watch the whole thing. It seemed that 9:42 version was clipped
I was unable to watch it from the beginning...
but I think I only missed a few minutes. So, 9:42 seems about right. I might be wrong though
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
So less than 10 minutes for Ireland, Sparano, and Daboll combined?
Oh well. I guess they didn’t want to discuss their game plan too much.
Here we go again
Honestly the new OC seems as clueless as Tony Field-goal Sparano. I know he had weak QBs but he didn’t know how to adapt when other teams took away his main plays. I hope I’m wrong, but here’s how it looks like it will play out. The brain-dead fins will be too stupid to draft a good QB. They will get some leftover hasbeen to compete with Henne. The new OC will have the job of making Henne into a good QB which is impossible because he runs like my grandmother and is too brain-dead to throw an accurate pass. The players will be out of the playoffs by mid-season and will quit on the coach again. We will go 4-12 or 5-11. Sparano will get get an extention. The Defensive Coordinator will quit along with a number of defensive players who will asked to be traded. We’ll be back at square one with no offensive or defense. Believe me, I hope I’m wrong and the fins go to the playoffs. But I haven’t seen anything to make me think that’s even a remote possibility.
Yikes.
Add me to the “This Sounds Distressingly Like Dan Henning” chorus. I mean . . . well . . . yikes.
Can somebody tell me how much input Daboll had on signing Jake Delhomme to the Browns? If he was pushing for that, I question the guy’s ability to evaluate QBs.
we shall see
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""It only ends once. Everything that comes before is just progress"
Hey Matty....I understand your being pissed
at fans who are upset over this pick because of W/L and ignorance. However, am I sensing a shift change? Seriously….lets look at the resume’.
I am asking you…do you really believe Daboll is a better choice than Chudzinski?
Chudzinski… an unbelievable “OC” at UM! Only in the position for 2 years….first year, undefeated. Second year breaks the record for passing yards gained…rushing yards…rushing TD’s…etc.
He also had so many players, that were coached perfectly, winning top awards.
Chud has coached key positions in the NFL, INCLUDING OC [where the QB went to the PRO Bowl. But you know this]….so how do you endorse Daboll over Chud?
What are his credentials that superceeds Chuds….or are there personal issues that weren’t made public?
Just wondering!
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Some "No talent" Browns
Yup, not much you can do with Josh Cribbs, Brian Robiskie, Peyton Hillis, Mohammed Massaquoi, Chansey Stucki, Joe Thomas, and Ben Watson. Yep, absolutely no talent whatsoever to work with there…no wonder he finished 31st in the league! Those are all horrible players that wouldn’t make a single NFL roster on another team. eye roll
Be afraid...
… be very afraid…
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
You guys got it all wrong
It;s not doom and gloom. The Cleveland guy said it, They didn’t have a good QB under center that was the reason that teams stacked the box. But we have HENNE ( You know, the future Dan Marino ). I bet the D wouldn’t dare stack the box with HENNE in there. It should be easy for Daboll to plan his offense with HENNE in there. I can see it all now, 50 and 60 yard completions, oh boy I can hardly wait.
please people! the sarcasm box is there for a reason - use it!
Otherwise, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not
-LCFF
DotJPBW
(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
It does not inspire confidence.
One thing that continues to crack me up is people say that he is so great with QBs. How come he wasn’t able to make Anderson or Quinn better? Delhomme and Seneca Wallace didn’t look that great either. McCoy looks promising because he is a good QB. He will be better next year too if given the shot. When he was the QB coach with the Jets he worked with Pennington (had been the starter since 2002 and pretty good before Daboll got there) and Farve (first ballot hall of famer). I really do not think that Daboll mades these guys any better then they already are. The funny thing is Pennington’s best statistical season was when he ran Dan Henning’s offense in 2008. Ironic isn’t it? Then look at the receivers that he worked with in New England. Deion Branch, David Givens, Chad Jackson, Andre Davis and Troy Brown (who rapidly declinedin his years coaching there). The only receiver that really turned into something was Branch.
I will reserve judgement until he actually does something but Daboll sounds just like Henning based on his past actions.
What happened next cost Daboll dearly: teams began loading the box and run blitzing Hillis right off the line. No adjustments were made. The playcalls would run Hillis right up the gut even if the entire defense was there. If we weren’t going to run it, we would line our quarterback up in Shotgun, making it too predictable that we weren’t going to run. On top of that, there was a stretch where the routes on a 3rd-and-5 were always designed to go between 1-3 yards. The Browns would not take many shots down the field until they were behind by two possessions late in the game.
Bold sentences 1 & 2-Shows the same problem that helped turn the wildcat into the mildcat this past season. Also the biggest issue with the coaching staff we had in 2010: No asdjustments were made.
As for the shotgun thing, Henning didn’t try to make it obvious when we were passing, but he thought it made sense to call a playaction pass while trailing and looking at 3rd and 10+. I think I’d rather have an OC that says here’s what we are going to do see if you can stop us as opposed to one who says you won’t believe how dumb we can be.
Daboll’s strength is that he seemed very good at scripting the first offensive series or two of the game. His weakness is that he didn’t utilize the team’s personnel very well, and after the first two possessions, particularly in the second half of games, there seemed to be ‘no method to his madness’ in terms of playcalling.
Does use personnel very well? You mean like continuing to alternate RBs even though one is averaging 4+yds per carry and a TD while the other is struggling at less than 2 yds per carry?
Like I said, I won’t call this another absurd hiring but Da-bum is gonna have to deliver or he will never see employment again at anything above a position coach (Just like Sparano and Ireland). This hiring is so questionable that if Daboll and Sparano don’t get the job done in 2011, it’s gonna make Al Davis look good.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
This would be funny if it wasn't so painful
This hiring is so questionable that if Daboll and Sparano don’t get the job done in 2011, it’s gonna make Al Davis look good.
-LCFF
DotJPBW
(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
"I laughed, I cried, I died a little inside." - The Fin Reaper
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I knew something crawled up inside you and died....
lol
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Totally wrong direction there. LOL
Maybe I should have said “I laughed, I cried, I threw up a littel bit choking on Bill Parcells’ bullshit”
In the words of Dave England-“It’s so dry”
In the words of Austin Powers-“It’s a bit nutty”
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
In the words of Prince Philip, "a poor, frustrated, beard"
;^)
-LCFF
DotJPBW
(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
LeftCoastFinFan
I have been a vocal supporter of Thigpen for 2 years now, how could it be anything but sarcasm. Also, whats the sarcasm box?
by Truth Warrior on Jan 20, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
the sarcasm box is what I put around my statement that I couldn't tell whether or not your comment was sarcastic
i was being sarcastic
isn’t that ironic?
;^)
-LCFF
DotJPBW
(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
You and that d@mn sarcasm box ^;^
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