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Shorter Ross: Championships? Who Cares?

Of all the disheartening things we've heard and read about our team this season, this is the most disheartening of all:

"This isn’t the north, where you want to just take it 4 yards and a cloud of dust," Ross added. "I think I look for a different brand. Seeing the Dolphins, how fans want to see them, how we win, we’re going downfield, the days of Dan Marino, the days we all want to go back to."

That's a man who wants to sell tickets, ads, and merchandise, not a man who wants to win championships.  It's so wrong-headed, I hardly know where to start.

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I love Dan Marino.  I think he's the best passer to ever play the game -- and by a wide margin.  I still get goosebumps just thinking about watching that guy play.  But I do not want to go back to the days of Dan Marino.  We won zero championships in those days.  None.  Not one.

Ross needs to acquaint himself with some basic geography and a calendar.  Miami may not be in the north, but the AFC East most definitely is.  And NFL football is played in the fall and winter months, not the spring and summer.  You go into it with the mindset, "Hey, it's warm here!  Let's just play fair-weather football!", you are going to lose.

The very Dan Marino days he speaks of are proof enough of that.  Those were days when we perennially faltered in November and December, and could not win a road playoff game to save our lives.  That is not a championship formula.  Let's not repeat it, I don't care how many jerseys it sold.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not saying this year's offensive approach is the right one.  Not at all.  But "let's go back to the days of Dan Marino" is swinging way too far in the other direction.  We'll win just as many championships with the one as we will with the other: none.  So how 'bout we do neither, Mr. Ross? 

At such a pivotal moment for the franchise, this fan, at least, does not want to hear the owner telling the world his goal is to repeat the glorious futility of the past.  That's part of our problem as a franchise -- we think of the wrong era as the glory days.  The days we want to go back to are the Csonka days, not the Marino days.  I don't want to hear that my owner is in a mindset where he thinks of the latter as the era when this team was a winner.  I want to hear that he's clear-eyed and focused on winning what really counts.

Championships, Mr. Ross.  Championships.

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If we play like the Marino days

Only on the passing plays , we will be fine, remember Marino never had a running game or even much of a defense. We now have a good defense and if we can pass that will open up a good running game ,,, and the playoffs will go thru Miami.

by dolphan63 on Jan 15, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

I hear ya.

But there’s a name for exactly what you’re describing: the Csonka era (or Griese era, if you prefer). Strong running game. Tough defense. Ability to throw the ball to open up the field.

The reason I bring any of this up is I’ve come to the view that the Marino era is a huge distraction for this franchise. (Heck, it was a distraction while it was happening; part of the reason we never developed a running game is because we never committed to it.) It was so much fun to watch, and it was so great to have a guy who was so much better at what he did than anybody else, we’ve lost sight of what a real winning team looks like.

As long as we think first of the Marino era — rather than the era when we actually won championships and were the most feared team in the league — as the franchise’s glory days, it’s going to be hard to do what needs to be done. Especially when the owner is caught up in that mindset.

This franchise’s identity needs to be the teams of the 70s, not the 80s. When the owner thinks of When This Team Was A Winner, his first thought shouldn’t be Marino; it should be the Csonka/Griese/No-Name era, because that’s when we actually were a winner. And not just a winner, but the biggest winner in the history of major pro sports.

Those 70s Dolphins are who we need to think of as who we are, if we want to get back to winning Super Bowls.

by urbino on Jan 15, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The rules were different then

The game has changed in the past 4 decades. And it now favors the passing game. Either way we need a decent passing game. Not a mediocre.

by esco6781 on Jan 16, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again, ...

I’m not talking about a playbook. I’m talking about a mindset — understanding and being focused on what real winning looks like. It’s not the 1980s. It’s the 1970s.

Also, I’m not sure why you guys are talking as if needing a vertical passing game is some kind of recent development. You needed one in the 1970s, too. We had one. (Paul Warfield, anybody?) Every dominant team from that era had one — us, the Raiders, the Steelers, the Cowboys. You couldn’t win championships without it.

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post agree with you all the way, the game is 3 sided now, Run , Pass, and Defense!!!

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by 21Dave on Jan 17, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

with the rule changes

a Dan Marino passing offense would be unstoppable.

but thats not the point.
obviously Ross is not saying to dismantle our defense or abandon the running game altogether. Ross is saying we need to be more aggressive which IS how you win.

yall love makin mountains out of molehills.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 15, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

He’s saying he wants to play “the beautiful game”, to quote Pele, and if people know who he is……sorry.

by sirdolphin on Jan 15, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We did that this year...we kicked all the time.

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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 16, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Point's be points let's keep them cumming!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 16, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen to that!

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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 16, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Last I checked...

Peyton Manning has 1 championship to show for his Marino-esque numbers. One is certainly better than none, but it’s worse than what we had in the 70s.

by urbino on Jan 15, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is...

yes, it’s necessary, but it’s not sufficient. It wasn’t in the Marino days, and it’s not today. Ask New Orleans.

Contrary to Mr. Ross, those were not the days when we won. Those were days when we lost. The days when we won were the Csonka/Griese days.

I’m not talking about returning to that offensive scheme. I’m talking about having the right mindset — the right definition of what “winning” is.

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The Patriots also...

run the ball successfully, and play excellent defense (I still haven’t figure that one out).

People think of last year’s Saints team as an example of passing your way to a championship, and it certainly was a pass-heavy offense. But they’re running that same offense this year, and without a healthy running back they struggled all year and got sent home in the first round.

Like I said in my post, I’m not saying he’s wrong about our offensive scheme being too predictable this year. I’m just saying he, as the owner, shouldn’t be talking about schemes — and certainly not about Dan Marino. It’s not what this team needs from him. It’s short-term and short-sighted, and it makes him sound like a lightweight. It’s bad leadership.

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

ROSS..It stands for....

R=really
O=out
S=selling
S=seats

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by zero13 on Jan 15, 2011 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Even without turnovers

we still have a better D than nearly every year throughout the Marino era. Ross just means that we will see a much more vertical, explosive and entertaining pass attack. And probably a better Running game too.

We've gone from Socrates to Snookie- Ducky

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by Farorefox on Jan 15, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

The owner should not be talking about ...

being entertaining. Even if that’s what he’s thinking, he shouldn’t say it. He should be talking about winning Super Bowls.

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

his offense stunk it up in 2010.....he's talking about having an exciting offense....

he’s a fan too…..and there’s no better way to sell tickets and whatnot than winning a superbowl….

Just one mans opinion...

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by MagicDolphin on Jan 16, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

the csonka days were also the griese days......

Not so exciting….

Just one mans opinion...

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by MagicDolphin on Jan 16, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Super Bowl 8

Miami ran the ball 53 times for 196 yds. Griese was 6 of 7 for 73 yds…no TDs no Ints.

We beat the Vikings 24-7….beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 16, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a dolphins SB win, so it's beautiful!

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Like "entertaining"?

I don’t care about “exciting,” just like I don’t care about “entertaining.” I care about winning. I want to hear things coming out of the owner’s mouth that tell me — and more importantly, the team — that he’s focused on winning. That winning isn’t the most important thing in his mind; it’s the only thing.

We were exciting and entertaining in the Marino days, but we were also infuriating, disappointing, and futile. In the Csonka/Griese days, we were methodical and boring (Although, I loved watching Csonka run over people. It’s what made me a Dolphins fan.), but we won Super Bowls.

Those are the days I want to see come back. Not the Marino days.

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

ya know i find it really interesting.....

that people like to blast Dan Henning for his “old ways” and “ancient offense”. Then in the next breath they call for us to play like the Csonka era. uhem…..2010’s-1970’s= 40 years, or 4 decades, or 480 months, or 14,600 days. GIVE A BREAK! why dont we say we want our team to play like the 2011 Dolphins and let them make a name for themselves!

im not as think as you drunk i am occifer.....

by frostyphinfan on Jan 16, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

You're missing the point.

I don’t want to see us run a playbook from the 1970s. It wouldn’t work. But neither will one from the 1980s.

I’m not talking about playbooks. I’m talking about mindset. I want to know the owner has the right definition of “winning.” Winning is what we did in the 1970s. What we did in the 1980s was not winning.

So when I hear the owner leap immediately to the Marino days when he thinks about what winning looks like, that worries me. It’s the wrong mindset, and it sends the wrong message to the team.

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

"why dont we say we want our team to play like the 2011 Dolphins"

I did:

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying this year’s offensive approach is the right one. Not at all. But “let’s go back to the days of Dan Marino” is swinging way too far in the other direction. We’ll win just as many championships with the one as we will with the other: none. So how ’bout we do neither, Mr. Ross?

by urbino on Jan 16, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The formula is simple.

If you win, everyone’s happy.

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by Tunaflipper on Jan 16, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Ross believes more exciting football will put more butts in seats.

It came up again and again when he was courting (or not) Harbaugh.

Dolphins officials believe they need to make a splash and land a coach who can have the team play more attractive football than Tony Sparano — who’s still employed at the moment — and make Miami more riveting in what can be a fickle professional sports market. – Jason La Canfora

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d7b484/article/stanfords-harbaugh-draws-heavy-interest-from-49ers-dolphins

Based on that I’d have to agree Ross is more concerned about what Dolphin football looks like than the results.

As Alnold Palmer once said: “It ain’t how, it’s how many.”

(Soccer and Golf in the same thread??)
Touchdowns, ultimately, lead to both winning and attendance…more TD’s + more wins and more fans in the building.

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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 16, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

That would be Arnold Palmer...%#^@!!!

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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 16, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'M SURE LOWERING TICKET PRICES WOULD HELP FLORIDANS, TOO!

Don’t know how much a ticket costs in Miami but I’m sure you guys with families and girlfriends would like to have an extra $ or two in your pockets.

by Cutie on Jan 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He wore bellbottoms back in the day!

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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WERE?

How old are you? (Excuse me for asking). Oh, I remember those.

by Cutie on Jan 17, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He's 19.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 17, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, my goodness.

I have shoes older than that. Does he know what a wrist-watch is? Or a wall-clock with “hands”? A “landline”? “The Twist”

by Cutie on Jan 17, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think so but maybe not the twist. I am not sure I was even alive for that

and I am not that young.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 17, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I in no way think that one equates the other.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

I totally agree, but

you lost me when you said we have to go back to the Csonka days, we have to MOVE FORWARD, I agree with everything else.

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by uncle finster on Jan 17, 2011 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Lets give our guy's sum playoff exsperience. like Atlanta, I think with that playing at home edge that they have. They will turn the corner!

Yes they did draft the QB that we could of had but………………………………..

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 17, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

ROSS IS CAUGHT UP WITH STARDOM.

He fancies Hollywood glitter and glamour and orange carpets and stars and starletts and music and Landshark Beer then something else. THAT’S all the man cares about. Football is amusement to him.

Maybe it SHOULD BE the north. Pittsburgh. Green Bay. New York. New England. Chicago. Even Indianapolis.

Look at those “northern” teams. Solid and sound football. Blue collar football. And where are we in all of this? NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.

Maybe we should play like the North plays. . . .

by Cutie on Jan 17, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

Not disagreeing with you but...

Buffalo and Detroit are in the North too.

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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 23, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

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