Miami Dolphins: Who stays and who goes, Part 2

Moving Carey to G? His issue is speed rushers. That’s assuming we can find a tackle somewhere

Do we have cap space to make Logan the top paid G in the NFL?

The very first thing we need is a good o-line coach to coach up whoever we have and or get. JM2C.

Long and maybe Richy Incognito stay. As for Vernon if he can’t lose 30 lbs he needs to go also. Can’t tell about Jerry until he gets coached up. Nate may be a good back up or even better but ………. who really knows at this point! We need a little better and quicker pulling guard than any now on the team!

If we can get a pick for Vernon move him!

TE— Go out and get another pass catching TE in free agency. I think we have plenty of solid rookies that we haven’t really used yet. I still think we need a veteran that we know can contribute. If don’t go after either Zach Miller, Owen Daniels or Marcedes Lewis I will be upset. Although, I also believe that we didn’t really even try to use the TEs this year for anything other than an extra offensive lineman for most of the season.

RT— We need to go out and replace Carey and get a quality backup. I would be ok with moving John Jerry to RT. I think he is a more natural RT than he is a RG. I still go back to the beginning of the season where I saw him step on Henne’s foot on a few occasions(yes, that was him). I think he doesn’t play well in the limited space that a RG has and he is more natural when he has space to move and just be physical. We also need to look for a backup as soon as we get the QB, RB and WR positions addressed in the draft.

Interior O-Line— resign Incognito to play Center. Sign Logan Mankins to play LG. Nate Garner can play RG, and we need to look at a backup to the interior guys in the late rounds.

As for Carey, 30 years old for a OL man is really not this old. He played well in 09, I don’t think just because he had a down year we should just give up on him. Give the guy at least another year. At the OL position he could play out his contract and still be playing at a high level.

Agree with Incognito as well, along with the OL.

outside of the quarterback decisions to be made, the most important decisions made this offseason will revolve around Miami’s interior line.

Agreed

Bottom Line:

D@mn how boring was that my comment that time agreeing with everything? Matty lets get back to you wanting to keep CP so we can argue again. This one was a real yawner./

I’m on board with him moving to RG, which he played while at Miami (when Bryant McKinnie played LT) before moving to tackle later on. I think moving him inside, along with putting Garner at RT, solidifies the right side of the O line. Also, count me in on signing a FA to take care of the left side; IE – Logan Mankins.

LT – Long
LG – Mankins
C – Incognito
RG – Carey
RT – Garner

he is a jack of all trades but a master at none, great back up but only a ok starter, but we have a lot of work to do on the line.

Does everybody hate Vernon Carey on this site? I don’t get it, 4 million dollars is more then worth having a solid RT for 2011 and beyond. He isn’t spectacular or anything, but where are we going to get an upgrade Matty? You say we need an upgrade at backup tackle, and then you suggest releasing the starter? He is ONLY 30 man, he is coming off an injury palgued year just chill. Vernon Carey grades out when healthy very well amongst the leagues elite right tackles. I hope to god we don’t release him and create a new problem. Jeff Ireland isn’t that dumb.

Some on this site have unreasonable expectations for what an OL in the NFL looks like. Most teams OL looks like the Phins OL. There are 8 teams playing this weekend. Of those 8 teams no more than 3 or 4 have better OL’s than the Phins. What all those 8 teams have is much better skill position players, especially QB.

Here is what the Phins offense needs in order:

1) QB – Good QB play makes up for a lot of problems. A QB that consistently makes plays in the passing game loosens up a defense. That makes running the ball easier.

2) WR – The Phins need to upgrade the speed on offense, especially the WR opposite Marshall. Right now the Phins have no one to stretch the field and move a Safety back. Get that safety further off the LOS, that makes running the ball easier.

3) RB – The Phins simply don’t have a RB on the roster that can make a defender miss in the hole. Watch the games this weekend and see how many times there is the magical “push” by the OL. It just doesn’t happen very much. But watch how many times the RB makes a defender miss in the hole. That happens often. Speed at RB, quickness at RB, the ability to make someone miss at RB, is a must in today’s running game.

4) OL – A Guard or Center will upgrade the unit but it isn’t a “need”. The unit is “good enough” if the skill position players are improved.

If the Phins are going to spend money this year in FA on offense spend it on the skill positions. In ‘09 the Phins had a “good” OL and finished 7-9. In ’10 the Phins had a “bad” OL and fininshed 7-9. Maybe it isn’t the OL? It just might be the skill positions.

After all the Phins ranked 30th in the league in rushing plays of 20+ yards with 5. League leader Oakland had 27. Did Oakland have a better OL than the Phins?

The Phins ranked 27th in the league in passing plays of 40+ yards with 4. League leader Philadelphia had 15. Did Philadelphia have a better OL than the Phins?

unless they’re on HUtchinsons level, i would move carey to RG and sign a RT. Keep incognito at center or draft an offensive lineman with our first round pick like wisniewski from penn st or costanzo from BC.

LT jake long
LG incognito/jerry
C wisniewski or pouncey
RG vernon carey
RT colon (free agent)

i agree with virtually everything you said including the Vernon Carey ordeal except. 1. i thought Lydon Murtha performed very well in his tackle role late in the year. He isnt the most gifted player ever but he played smart and didnt make many mental errors. he also showed alot of heart in the Detroit game fighting through his injury and doing what he could to try to stay in the game [eventually he left with 8 min left], i think he showed himself to be a capable backup. 2. Pat McQuistan is not “versatile”. Pat McQuistan in my eyes REALLy struggled this season. i thought he wasnt good enough at the point of attack. he struggled mightily in space made coutless mental errors and didnt adjust to the shifts that he was required to make to different positions on the line well at all. it was really frustarting to me all season to think Of Donald Thomas being cut and then trading for Pat McQuistan. i really dont understand it at all. i doubt we will resign him.

Although Richie did a good job stepping into the center spot, I think he’s better suited at LG, his natural place.

LT Long
LG Incognito
C Pouncie
RG Carey/Garner
RT Stinchcomb

Of coarce the OC is a huge issue, so we need to hurry up and sign Chudzinski.

We can then try Jon Jerry at RT, where he played most of his career at Ole Miss, or draft a RT. This class is top heavy with good RT prospects.

if cam newton is still available and we dont pick him up i am disowning the dolphins

In a perfect world, the Dolphins would go out and sign an elite left guard

Mankins?

The LG or C?

… get a freak left guard please.

… leave Richie alone, and

… get a right tackle. Carey has become a vacuum cleaner….

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