Anybody know who is better between Clifton Geathers 6-7 300 and Robert Rose 6-4 291 who are suppose to back up Jared Odrick at RDE OR will they just use a rotation of Langford, Odrick, McDaniel to cover the DE positions? This was one of the biggest surprises of the cuts where Ryan Baker, Charles Grant, and Marques Douglas (who all have NFL experience) was cut in favor of signing Geathers and Rose.
Here's what I would do:
Start Langford at LDE and McDaniel at RDE (who looked very impressive in preseason, btw) and bring Odrick in at RDE in passing situations for pass rush. Use Clifton Geathers, who is better at stuffing the run than at pass rush at the moment, as the back up to Langford at LDE. Here Langford and McDaniel play heavy minutes with more substitution from Odrick and less substitution from Geathers (McDaniel could also help back up Langford at LDE)
My D-Line depth chart would look like:
LDE Langford 6-6 290, Geathers 6-7 300
NT Starks 6-3 310, Soliai 6-4 345
RDE McDaniel 6-7 305, Odrick 6-5 304, Rose 6-4 291 (Inactive?)
What do you all think? What would you do?
Here's some draft information that I got on Clifton Geathers and Robert Rose:
video of Geathers from a fanshot by KDog92
When South Carolina's Clifton Geathers entered the draft, it was greeted with little more than a groan.
He's a physical talent at 6-foot-7 and 299 pounds. But Geathers had a down year with just three sacks. He also served a one-game suspension after being charged with disorderly conduct, drunkenness and resisting arrest.
Geathers didn't have to leave South Carolina after his junior year. His coaches insisted if he returned he'd be a first-round pick.
But that's exactly the reason Geathers is a player to watch. His potential is limitless. He could be a star as a 3-4 defensive end. Or, he could be like his cousin Jeremy Geathers.
Jeremy Geathers, the son of Jumpy Geathers, entered the 2008 draft a year early and didn't get picked. He hasn't played a down in the NFL.
It's this kind of intrigue that makes the draft so fun to follow. Clifton Geathers could be a star. Or he may never suit up in the NFL. But today at the combine, he can go a long way in determining his fate.
Measurements: 6'8, 307 lbs
Summary: Clifton skipped his senior season after doing spot duty in 2008 and starting for most of 2009. Clifton had a very solid 2009, registering three 41 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 3 sacks, and a forced fumble. Much of his best play came late in the season. Gamecocks fans were disappointed that he chose to forego his final year of eligibility, as his late-season improvement sparked hopes that he would be an all-league performer in 2010.
What the Pros Have Right: Clifton is rightly prized by scouts for his tremendous upside. He is tall, wide, strong, and fast, and his large frame suggests that he can put on even more pounds without losing much in the speed department. His steady improvement suggests that he can come through on his potential if given time and opportunity.
The pros are also rightly concerned over his lack of experience. Clifton doesn't have a ton of experience and has only shown flashes of brilliance on the field. If Clifton were to bomb after being taken high, it wouldn't be the first time a player didn't pan out after being taken based solely on physical tools. Scouts know that.
The pros are also probably right that he should have stayed one more season. I'm not saying this because I resent his choice to leave, although I certainly think we'll miss him somewhat. I'm saying this because he now has everything riding on a great combine. That's not an enviable position. If he does well, he'll be an early round pick. If he bombs, he risks not being drafted at all. If he had stayed for 2010 in Columbia, he would have likely been our sack leader and an all-league performer. That would have guaranteed him a first- or second-round selection, meaning he wouldn't have to be worrying over his status as he is right now.
What the Pros Have Wrong: Some scouts have expressed concern over Clifton's behavioral issues. I think they should be a non-issue. Clifton's run-in with disciplinary problems at the beginning of this season were a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Clifton comes from a good background, has generally been on the up-and-up, and will continue to be so in the NFL.
Fun Fact: Clifton is from a family of NFL talent that includes his brother Robert, father Robert Sr., and uncle Jumpy, the latter of whom was a star defender for many years. His brother Kwame plays for Georgia and also has a bright future.
Are the Mocks Right?: The mocks show little consensus on Clifton, which is to be expected with a player who is something of an unknown quantity. Most mocks mention how much he has riding on his combine performance, and I'd say that's right. He needs to prove his freakish athleticism there, because if he doesn't, teams will hesitate to take him based on his on-field performance.
Defensive end Robert Rose looked like the monster in the forty. He measured 6-foot, 4-inches and 294-pounds then ran as fast as 4.75 seconds. His other numbers included a 27.5-inch vertical jump, 9’2’’ broad and 24-reps on the bench. Rose looks brilliant on the field at times but cannot remain healthy. We’ll have a full scouting report on him later this month.
Defensive lineman Clifton Geathers was also impressive. The 6-foot, 7.5-inch prospect weighed 296 pounds and while his arms measured 37-inches long. His short shuttle time was 4.73 seconds and three cone 7.2 seconds, the latter being a big improvement over his combine mark. Geathers also did well in position drills though he’s a bit rough around the edges. Scouts feel he’s a player with a great amount of upside and a prospect whose best football lay ahead of him. Geathers performances at the combine and today could cement him as a third round pick.
Robert Rose School: Ohio State Position: DE Bio: Started five games as a senior finishing the year with 10/3/2. Posted similar numbers of 10/3/1 as a junior. Positive: Impressive physical specimen who flashes ability on the field. Plays with good knee bend, gets leverage on opponents and shows power at the point of attack. Immediately alters his angle of attack, loses no momentum changing direction, and fluid moving about the field. Fights with his hands throughout the action, slides laterally to make plays and nicely redirects to ball-carriers. Makes a lot of athletic plays on the field and shows ability in back side pursuit. Negative: Lacks great lower body strength and will be pushed off the line on running downs. Does not display great quickness and explosion in his game. Marginally productive at Ohio State. Analysis: Rose looks the part and has occasionally played to it the past two seasons yet never fully transferred his athletic abilities onto the football field. He's worth bringing into camp and offers a great degree of upside but must pull it together quickly to have a career at the next level. Could find a home on a practice squad for team that's willing to be patient with the hopes of developing him.
Clifton Geathers School: South Carolina Position: DE Bio: All-Conference selection last season after breaking into the starting lineup then posting 37/8.5/3.5. Sophomore totals included 29/3.5/2.5. Positive: King-sized defensive lineman with a tremendous amount of upside potential. Displays good movement skills, fluid changing direction, and keeps his feet moving on contact. Can bend off the edge, collapses down the line in pursuit, and works hard to get involved in the action. Plays with good lean and uses his long arms to get off blocks or bat away passes. Negative: Shows a limited burst of speed. All too easily turned from the action by a single opponent. Marginally instinctive and slow locating the ball.
A South Carolina native, Geathers is the younger brother of Cincinnati Bengals defensive end Robert Geathers and the nephew of former NFL defensive tackle Jumpy Geathers.
As a junior at the University of South Carolina in 2009, Geathers totaled 40 tackles, three sacks, and a forced fumble for the Gamecocks. He subsequently declared for the NFL Draft with a year of eligibility remaining.
Geathers was selected by the Cleveland Browns in the sixth round of the 2010 NFL Draft and signed a four-year deal with the team on June 28. He appeared in all four of the Browns' preseason games in 2010 and totaled five tackles, including three in last week's finale.
A mountain of a man at 6-foot-7 and 300 pounds, Geathers possesses good speed for his size and is a powerful force on the defensive line. He projects nicely as a 3-4 defensive end and will likely back up rookie Jared Odrick on the right side.
A Cleveland, Ohio native, Rose attended Glenville High School and played under head coach Ted Ginn, Sr.—father of former Dolphins first-round wide receiver Ted Ginn, Jr.
Although he played four seasons for the Ohio State Buckeyes, Rose was limited to a reserve role his entire career. He finished his collegiate career with 26 tackles and 7.5 sacks in 43 games.
Signing with the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent in 2010, Rose appeared in all four preseason games with the team and totaled three tackles.
Rose appears to be an extremely borderline NFL prospect and probably doesn't belong on an active roster right now. He has the size for a 3-4 defensive end at a 6-foot-4 and 290 pounds, but he's simply lacking in the talent department.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Rose kept inactive for the Dolphins' first game against Buffalo, and then waived and re-signed to the practice squad as the team brings back either Marques Douglas or Charles Grant on a non-guaranteed salary.