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Where did all the depth go?

by Jared Nagle


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There is an overwhelming feeling of concern for the Miami Dolphins football team heading into week 1 at Buffalo. Among beat writers, columnists, and the fan base there seems to be a lack of the same optimism for this team that characterized the off-season leading up to training camp. I wrote a post on thephinsider.com about 3 months ago in which I basically broke down the team’s roster and explained how this team had unprecedented depth and how good this team could be (hopefully one or two of you remember it.) Well, since then the shape of this team has changed dramatically. The general feeling for this team is concern and my theory is that the comfort of quality depth is gone.  

 

This team heading into training camp had what appeared to be great depth at nearly every position. Aside from a few pleasant surprises with un-drafted free agents and the emergence of Ikaika Alama-Francis (who I characterized as “a player to watch” 3 months ago ), there has mostly been negative outcomes for this team since the end of July. The team has lost a lot of that apparent “depth” due to injuries and team transactions.

 

The fact is this team hasn’t lost a single starter to injury in training camp. For example, the Patriots have lost starters G Logan Mankins, T Nick Kaczur, DE Ty Warren, and CB Leigh Bodden since the beginning of camp. But what this team has lost, however, is a slew of talented backups and role players that made fans feel comfortable if and when a starter is lost to injury. Let’s take a look back to last season…

 

In my mind, the biggest reason the Dolphins failed to make the playoffs a year ago was that they were unable to makeup for the inevitable injuries that every team faces in the NFL. Unlike other playoff caliber teams, the Dolphins were unable to overcome the losses of NT Jason Ferguson and CB Will Allen because they didn’t have players ready to step in and fill their shoes. Of course this team is better for it now with the development of young players like Vontae Davis, Sean Smith and Paul Soliai; but the fact remains that the biggest reason why the defense fell apart last season was for those three players being thrust into key roles.

 

Back to the present, heading into training camp this team seemingly had the type of depth that is usually only achieved by playoff teams. Aside from QB, RB, LB and S, it appears as though this team is less deep at every other position then they were when training camp started back in July. Let’s go position by position:

 

WR

 

Don’t get me wrong, I am very excited that the team found a couple diamonds in the rough in Marlon Moore and Roberto Wallace. Also, it is clear to me that the Dolphins are vastly improved at wideout with the addition of Brandon Marshall. Still, the trade of Greg Camarillo left this team without a proven no.4 wide receiver. What happens if Marshall, Davone Bess or Brian Hartline get hurt? Are we really confident that Moore or Wallace can step in and consistently contribute?

 

TE

I wasn’t even thrilled with the team’s depth behind Anthony Fasano heading into camp. However, after bringing David Martin back to the club I felt much better about it. Between Martin and Joey Haynos it seemed like the team had quality experience behind Fasano. But after Haynos’ season ending injury and Martins surprising release the team is left with just one backup TE, 2009 fifth round pick John Nalbone. I am not saying Nalbone isn’t ready to step in, but it is concerning to me that we are counting on a player who has never played in a single regular season game to play in the two tight end sets. What do we do if Fasano goes down?

 

OL

 

When camp started I thought this was perhaps the team’s greatest strength. Obviously we have a great pair of tackles with Long and Carey. Also, we HAD plenty of viable candidates at guard and a good battle at center between Joe Berger and Jake Grove. Though I am satisfied with John Jerry’s ascension into the starting lineup, I have to say nothing else has exactly “gone to plan.” Nate Garner, the team’s most versatile lineman and proven starting guard, has been lost for the season because it seems as though this regime refuses to bring an injured player into the regular season no matter who he is or what he brings. Garner loss is huge because at the very least his loss created a void at backup RT, LG and RG. Donald Thomas, who once had the makings of a really good player in this league, has been waived despite the fact he is a proven commodity as a run blocker. Cory Proctor has also been waived which wouldn’t be a big deal if the team hadn’t already lost Garner and Thomas. And on top of all that, Jake Grove has been injured nearly all preseason with minor injuries that seem to always plague him. Grove is a really good center when healthy, but he is now backing up the inferior Joe Berger. Berger is solid, but Grove is a difference maker.

 

The team added Pat Mcquiston and a few developmental tackles, but at the end of the day this team is no longer deep along the offensive line. Joe Berger can play the guard spot so I am not panicking about the interior line depth, but I still have reservations as a whole. I felt much better about Richie Incognito as a starter when he had Garner, Thomas and Proctor behind him. Now we need to count on this head case!

 

DL

 

I still think that the defensive line is a strength of the team. Randy Starks, Kendall Langford and Jared Odrick should make up a formidable front. Still, with the losses of Phillip Merling to an Achilles tendon injury and Jason Ferguson to retirement, the talent level as a whole is not where it was a couple months ago. As opposed to last year, Tony McDaniel is now the top backup DE, and after that it is just unproven rookies just poached off the waiver wire. I like Paul Soliai, but can he start if need be at NT? I know Ferguson could of after his suspension.

 

 

 

 CB

 

Wasn’t it nice a few months ago when you could say to yourself “I really like Vontae and Sean, and in case one has a sophomore slump, I know Will Allen can be counted on”. Well, that’s all over now that Allen is done for the season. Nickel corner is an important position. Nathan Jones did a very good job at that spot last season and his loss should not be discounted. Either Benny Sapp or Nolan Carrol needs to be able to play this role successfully. Jason Allen is a boundary corner so no matter how much better he has become at CB he is unlikely to help out at nickel. Sapp needs to be the guy and if he’s not Carrol is going to have to grow up awful fast. I am concerned especially with Sean Smith’s struggles in camp.

 

In total, since the start of camp this team has lost the following players:

 

Greg Camarillo

Joey Haynos

David Martin

Nate Garner

Donald Thomas

Cory Proctor

Jason Ferguson

Phillip Merling

A.J Edds

Will Allen

 

None of the above players were likely to start for this team this season. But injuries are going to strike this team, and now they are without many of the top backup players that would have made those injuries much easier to stand. I still have high hopes for this team, and as talented and young as they are, I am now unsure of how deep a team this is right now. Many guys are going to need to grow up quickly again this season. That is a good thing long term, but short term it can land you on the outside looking in at a playoff berth.

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Good Post!

Though I would disagree with the Dline concerns. I think we’re pretty stacked there.

To me the biggest area of concern re: depth is the interior line. Losing Thomas and Smiley from last year’s fourth ranked rushing offense may come back and hurt us, even if they were just backups. Secondary could be a concern too if our nickle guys and FS don’t step it up. And as much as I like the guy I’m not too worried about losing camarillo. I think Moore and Wallace are going to step up and I mean face it, if you have to rely on your fourth wide receiver your team is already in trouble regardless.

by dude abides on Sep 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice post but

I can’t say I agree with it.

Aside from QB, RB, LB and S, it appears as though this team is less deep at every other position then they were when training camp started back in July

Nah, we are just very young. Remember (and I know nobody likes hearing it) we are only in year 3 of a rebuilding year. We constantly cutting players and bringing new ones in. All offseason its let this one go, try this one out.

I think they are trying to put the best solid team they can on the field. TBH I can’t think of one player they have let go that I questioned. They have brought in one though.-)

Honeslty I like what they have done. We got alot of players that can come in and play alot of different positions, especially on the lines. Thats a good thing.

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by Neo on Sep 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

thats why i say appears

because we don’t know what we are going to get from these younger players. Hopefully they succeed and all of our reservatons are unfounded. I just think from a being comfortable with our roster standpoint, the fan base as a whole isn’t where it was say a month ago.

Also the Dolphins signed LB Bobby Carpenter and waived Charlie Anderson.

by JaredN on Sep 6, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why we are the fanbase and they set the roster -)

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by Neo on Sep 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good writeup

I feel the same way honestly. Just hope the starters stay healthy

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by kazam92 on Sep 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't even have to read the article and I said the same thing.....

Teams take time to come together and with all the new people we now have for the start of the season, we can only hope they turn a switch and that develops during real game time……

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Sep 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Tunaflipper has one really big, big concern

8 OL?
Who we gonna pick up?

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by Tunaflipper on Sep 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I kind of feel the same way, but looking back...

I don’t think we had a tremendous amount of players that could start, but rather a tremendous amount of players that could be backups. Now we have 30 less players, so that comfort level isn’t really there anymore.

One things for sure, I am glad that those injuries all happened before the season started.

by GoPhish13 on Sep 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

OK, so with the latest, we're at 10.

Let’s what Tuesday brings?

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by Tunaflipper on Sep 6, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Very good write up,

but you forgot the DL losses of Douglas and Grant, proven quality depth, and Grant was actually getting a rush going, cut in favor of bad teams cast offs??? Definitely not the sign of a good team.

by uncle finster on Sep 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

The biggest, and most stupid moves of the summer have all come this weekend.

The loss of Marques Douglas, a reliable run stuffer, and Charles Grant, a solid veteran, while placing Will Allen on the IR when he would only be out a month is beyond me.

This team seems more inclined to let younger players prove themselves instead of racking up proven players to give depth when needed.

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by dolphin341 on Sep 6, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

bruh

There is nothing wrong with our depth. We are a young, unproven team so the skepticism will be present, but that doesn’t mean we are doomed

But I will add that this passing game runs through Brandon Marshall. Not Davone Bess and Brian Hartline. So if Bess or Hartline get injures we’ll live but if Marshall is injured then were back to square one.

With that being said we are a run first team so our) depth is crucial.

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by Deuce Black on Sep 7, 2010 9:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Dude just sayin here
There is nothing wrong with our depth. We are a young, unproven team

If we are in fact a young unproven team, then how, may I ask you, can you say that our depth is fine.

Unproven means “we don’t know yet”, lol.

by uncle finster on Sep 7, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have depth but its just young and unproven

we will know if we are in trouble after this year

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by Deuce Black on Sep 7, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what I said

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by Deuce Black on Sep 7, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I share your concerns

3 months ago I could not be more excited coming into this season. I feel we have taken a step or 2 back since then in several areas. I really thought we had the potential to become an elite team this season. Now I am not nearly as optismistic going into week 1.

Regardless I will still break out the Sunday attire for the males in my household—-my young son, myself and my dog will be in our Aqua fin jersey’s for opening day.
We will be yelling, screaming, and barking for our beloved Fins on sunday at 1pm

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by MDPHINFan on Sep 9, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Always an issue -- BUT

There is always a concern with the quality of backups and it is even more so when they are young and unproven but it is also a concern when they are older and have wracked up recurring injuries. This problem is never solved. As I see it though the Trifecta has a strategy we are testing. Their strategy was basically to – regardless of talent – dump every malcontent, half-hearted effort, over-the-hill or near over-the-hill, complaining or chronically injured player and replace they with healthy young athletes. The bet is that healthy trumps injured, high motor trumps experience and that they could train the young players to the right habits fast. It is a gamble but I think it is an intelligent one. Even young players can get injured but as anybody who has lived a while knows, you heal a lot faster in your 20s than in your 30s. I think the gamble will work and its success will be evident more and more as the season progresses.

by student1776 on Sep 16, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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