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Miami Dolphins' Coach Tony Sparano's View on Roster Moves, Cornerbacks, and Season Expectations

Miami Dolphins' Head Coach Tony Sparano held a press conference on Sunday, discussing several of the roster moves, both Saturday's cuts to get down to the 53-man roster and the subsequent waiver claims.  The press conference covered a lot of the same questions brought up here on The Phinsider when reviewing the roster moves.

Lasting just shy of 16 minutes, the press conference was simply a question and answer session for the media with the Dolphins' Coach.  The questions ranged from why roster moves were made, to the difficulty of sending Will Allen to the IR, and when the practice squad would be announced (Monday).

Answering the initial question about the Dolphins' seeming very young, Coach Sparano responded that he feels they have a good mix of young players and veterans.

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"I always thought that those 5-6 year guys made up, really, your varsity.  You know, they were those guys who, kind of, grew up in your program a little.  We've been fortunate now here, because, you know, we have a good group of 3-year guys on the team now, too - you know, Jake Long, and Henne, and Langford, and those people here.  So that's a real positive group for us too.  I like the makeup of the team - the strengths are good.  There's youth and then there's some, you know, certainly some veteran leadership there."

A truer statement couldn't have been made by Sparano.  Currently, Miami has 20 players with2 or fewer years of NFL service, along with21 players with 5 or more years of experience.  Even as the team looks to move into the playoff contender level, there's still an obvious youth movement as well.

When asked exactly that, if it was a concerted effort to get young, especially with the additions of Clinton Geathers, Jermey Parnell, Joe Reitz, and Robert Rose, couple with the release of Marques Douglas, Charles Grant, and Cory Proctor and the placement on IR of Will Allen, Coach Sparano replied that it was merely coincidental.

"I think one of those things, within the defenisve area, is that you do have, you know, a couple of young, developing players there...We thought highly of them in the draft.  This was an opportunity to get a couple of players who were young and developing.  What we're finding out is that these interior guys, you know, they're the guys what play the most plays.  At the end of this whole thing, it isn't the receivers, it isn't the running backs, it isn't those people; these guys go out there and they're playing 75-80 plays at the level that they have to play, from a physical stand-point, you just don't have enough of them and you would hope that they would be young enough and have enough stamina to do what you need them to do."

So, even if it is a coincidence that the Dolphins released or placed on IR older players while placing claims on younger players, it also seems like it was a deliberate move to ensure the team constantly has fresh talent, ready to enter the game, especially late in the year.  There really is no way to argue that logic.

Some of the questions Coach Sparano was asked focused on the bigger names released by the team.  When speaking about quarterback Pat White, Sparano stressed that the Dolphins originally drafted White as a quarterback, looking to develop him.  That, while the options he brought to the Wildcat formation were, "icing on the cake," it was not the primary reason for his addition.  But, he said, that even with the good developmental skills White does possess, the stride Tyler Thigpen had made, along with what Chad Henne and Chad Pennington brought to the team, made Pat White the player who had to be released - basing that decision more on what the other three quarterbacks did, more than what White didn't do.

Sparano also spoke about the difficulty of making cuts, specifically being asked about tight end David Martin.   He responded that it's always tough, especially when it comes to guys who have done things he's asked them to do, and guys who have done things for him.  He stressed that Martin was one of those guys, and he appreciates everything Martin had done for him, but that he had to make the move. 

But, Sparano also spoke about the good part of the day:

"It wasn't a good day, and yet, it was a good day.  It was a good day in that once the decisions were made, you know, we were able to move on and really get a good look at this 53-man squad right now.  You have excitement and enthusiasm about what lies ahead with this 53-man squad right now.  You know, I like the makeup of it." 

Matching with that line of questioning, Coach Sparano was also asked about the decision to place cornerback Will Allen on Injured Reserve, rather than waiting to see if he recovers - and if the experience of Vontae Davis and Sean Smith from last season played a role. 

"Obviously, knowing more about Sean and Vontae, and seeing the progress of Jason Allen, makes these decisions easier.  Getting a surprise - I shouldn't have said that, it's not a surprise - seeing the progress of Nolan Carroll, throughout this whole camp, those kind of guys make that decision a little easier.  It certainly isn't an easy decision, though, to be able to do that with a ten year guy."

Just before that question, Sparano had been asked about his comfort with the five cornerbackson the roster.  His response, besides stressing the depth that he sees the team has, adds fuel to the rumors that Sean Smith may have lost his starting job to Jason Allen.

"Vontae had a really good camp, so I feel comfortable there.  I thought Jason Allen had a really productive camp.  I think Sean's gotten better and I know Sean had a couple of rough go's at times in a few ball games.  But, I feel the guy's gotten better.  He's another one of those 2-year players.

"From that end, and with the addition of Nolan Carroll, I think is going to be a good addition for us there.  And Benny.  I think those people all help us a little bit.  They give us jobs at the game and at the same time, are competitive corners. 

"I can remember coming in here my first year, being able to look around at some of those - some of those names we had at that time, and now where we are right now.  I mean, we have five corners I feel like can go in a game and compete.  We'll see.  I mean, I know they are young - but they were young last year too.

Before moving on to Coach Sparano's comments about the offensive line, he was also asked about the 2009 draft, and how just about every pick from that draft is off the team now.  He stressed that, while every decision and move is analyzed by the team, they also can't dwell on the what ifs.  They are looking at what worked and what didn't through each of the picks, but he also pointed out that they found Chris Clemons in the 5th round of that draft.  Stating that they recently felt they had to go out and make an expensive move to find a free safety, Clemons has now made them realize, "maybe there's one there and we got him in the 5th round."

One of the biggest discussion points here on The Phinsider over the last 24 hours has been the moves along the offensive line, specifically the release of guard Cory Proctor, along with the addition of two tackles, Jermey Parnell and Joe Reitz.  It was a major focus of the questioning to Coach Sparano as well.

"We're still looking for the right combination of people [for the offensive line].  I think we are a little closer to the right combination of people certainly and the additions of the people we're - that we just added here recently, I think will help us, you know - with Parnell and Reitz....So, from my end, position flexibility some of those things, maybe.  Guys who can do a few more jobs, you know, help a little bit.  Now, Proctor was one of those guys, he can do some jobs, but, you know, I think there's some other guys here, including a couple of the ones we just brought in, that we feel like can do some of those jobs."

Coach Sparano continued, stressing that he sees both Parnell and Reitz playing both guard and tackle, even comparing Reitz to the injured Nate Garner.  When adding in recent trade addition Pat McQuistan, who Sparano pointed out played four of the five line positions (not getting in as a center) during the pre-season, the team feels like they have a good amount of line depth.

Sparano was also asked about several other players, including the keeping of undrafted free agents Roberto Wallace and Marlon Moore, Quentin Moses, and Channing Crowder.  When answering about Wallace and Moore, Sparano spoke about the experience of keeping and developing Davone Bess as to a big part of why they kept the two rookies.  Stating that Bess came in, working hard during training camp, never seeming to let the NFL training camps be too big for him, and making plays in the preseason games - Sparano added that the two rookie receivers came in the same way as Bess.

With regards to Moses, Sparano stressed that Moses adds a big run-stopping capability, along with Ikaika Alama-Francis and Koa Misi, as well as some pass rushing capability.  He did, however, point out that Moses needs to improve his special teams play to be a big part of the team.

In the humors moment of the press conference, Coach Sparano was asked if he could give more of an update on Channing Crowder's status.  The coach responded

"No more information I'm going to give you today.  I believe Wednesday's the first time I really have to do that."

Finally, Sparano was asked about his expectations for the Dolphins' this season.  My final comments before allowing Coach Sparano the final words, is that I agree 100% with his expectations.  This Miami Dolphins team isn't an elite, Super Bowl contender.  But, giving yourself a chance to get there by being in the playoffs, that's reasonable.

According to Coach Saparano:

"To me, the expectation are really high going into the season, no question about it.  I think, for us, we want to be in the playoffs.  So those are the expectations.  Now, some people can stand up there and talk about it, and not really feel like they have a chance to do it, but that's the right thing to say.  I really believe we have a chance to do this.  So, this football team, walking in the door on Monday knows the expectations clearly.  They aren't going to back down from the expectations and that's what I would tell you.  The expectations for us are that we continue to improve here and that we get to the playoffs and give ourselves a chance." 

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Great write up

I still find some of the moves made today a little weird but they still have to name practice squad players tomorrow so we’ll see once it’s said and done.

It seemed like he was answering very vaguely and trying not to give very specific answers, I guess we should be used to it by now though lol. I wish he would have addressed smith being benched for Allen, I know he blew it on every preseason game at least once(except maybe the cowboys) but to loose his job as a starter after starting all games last season just screams sophomore slump. Ah well we have less then a week to go before we see how this team is shaping up.

by Maguss on Sep 6, 2010 5:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it has to do with overconfidence and him thinking his job is safe....

I think Sparano is doing it to let him know that he needs to get better. He was better than Vontae at the beginning of last year and this year Vontae seems to be on the verge of being a legitimate shutdown corner while Sean Smith looks like a whipping boy right now for even 3rd string QBs.
     Jason Allen scares me as the starting CB, but it looks like Sparano is putting Sean Smith in soon after the first series. He is telling him you are not my best CB, and you are not a starter. Sean Smith has the tools to be good, but he is making some dumb mistakes. We will see how he takes it.

when does the season start.....

by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 6, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is just an idea

maybe we should go after Clowney? He’s got the spped and can make the catches. I don’t know…can he return kicks and punts?

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by Kdog92 on Sep 6, 2010 5:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I think I like Marlon Moore and Roberto Wallace better than Clowney.

Other teams bring in young receivers and they do just fine. Why haven’t we been able to do that? I think the addition of a young veteran superstar in Marshall has helped us be able to do that. Everyone wanted that speedster to compliment Marshall, Bess, and Hartline. I see 2 guys that fit that bill. Having Marshall in that meeting room makes our WRs better. I like where we are now with WRs. Now our TE situation …. is there someone out there we can pick up? Is there someone we can trade for?

when does the season start.....

by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 6, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just not sold on the rookies...

untill they prove me wrong…I still say we bring in a vet.

As for the TE option…I would love to trade for Greg Olsen.

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by Kdog92 on Sep 6, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

You don’t trust the rookies because they need to prove they’re worth it. The odd part is Clowney has had a few years to prove he was worth it, but never did show it.

As for Olsen, he has struggled a lot in preseason and I don’t think he fits Miami’s offense as a #1 TE. The asking price is probably too high for a #2 TE. The option I’d like to see, as I just posted in a fanshot, is Miami signing Chase Coffman off the Bengals’ practice squad to be Miami’s #3 TE and compete with Nalbone for #2.

by Finhead83 on Sep 6, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i counted 10 "ya knows...."

the dolphins will need 11 wins to make the play-offs, ya know. they really need to win the AFCE, ya know. b/c with teams like baltimore, cincy, tennesse, new england, NYJ, all poossibly playing for a wilc card spot, ya know. it’s going to be ya know….interesting. it would be great ya know to see the fins win 11 or 12 games ya know. playoffs, ya know…would be awsome…..GO DOLPHINS!!!……ya know

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by frostyphinfan on Sep 6, 2010 5:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I took out a whole bunch of you knows too.....

He uses it ALOT!

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well ya know

Why have a press conference to say nothing ya know? I’m getting less and less impressed everyday with the HC, ya know? This guy is ya know more Wannstedt then Parcells. Also, we coulda, maybe, been a well.. ya know Playoff team this year. If you know, we didn’t keep reaching on draft day and creating holes in the team. Ya know, if we had productive training camps and such we probably wouldn’t be looking so sloppy ya know? ya know if we weren’t so young then we would be old? Is Channing suffering the same mysterious illness that Roth had? Like the Bills are going game plan around a guy who like had no impact last year, ya know?

by dadsmithwest on Sep 6, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya we know

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

cls moment

I’m starting to get nervous, feeling a like “cls” is taking over. Just not sure about letting veteran depth go for some pratice squad rejects. Maybe I’m just jumping to gun maybe the trifecta has some master plan that I’m still not aware of but we have a game in less than a week and I don’t see where letting established veteran players go helps the team. GO DOLPHINS!!!

by phinphan4lyf on Sep 6, 2010 6:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Technically they weren't practice squad rejects ...

They never made it to the practice squad because we snatched them up before the other teams could put them on the practice squad. I am pretty confident with the depth we have at DE, and if it means that we can possibly move one of the guys we have to RT if our RT gets hurt, or just plain sucks, I like the move. Lydon Murtha has looked really bad to me also, but maybe he is still developing.

when does the season start.....

by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 6, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree on Murtha.

I have no confidence in him, if Long goes down.

by urbino on Sep 6, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new guys will be gone

Once the first week goes by, the Dolphins will find other experienced players. Grant will be brought back if he’s available. This is because I read, and please correct me if what I read was wrong, that if they were on the 53 roster, their salaries would be guaranteed but if after one week, they are signed, they could get a smaller salary. I’m not wording it correctly, I’m sure, so to you more experienced guys, please continue. Thanks.

by Valentine14 on Sep 6, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

You are correct. The same goes with David Martin.

Expect both to be resigned after a week or two. Both should be available for game 1 vs bills.

by labrat3105 on Sep 6, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

martin was picked up by the bills, no?

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

revis

signed his contract :( he will play

by heartherevenge on Sep 6, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

i dont remember us having any trouble

with Revis last year. If he was smoked by TG in that Monday night game, imagine what our current receiving corp is gonna do to him this year!

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by bingram on Sep 6, 2010 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully Marshall makes him his B****

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 6, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK,

it seemed to me like Sparano was dancing, it seems to me he’s unsure and trying to convince himself as well as the rest of us.

This FO have themselves to blame for the high expectations, and the consequences for not living up to them.

Also, most of the vets on this team are not starters so there isn’t a lot of leadership from our vets.

by uncle finster on Sep 6, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

THE 70,S ARE FINALLY BACK. WELCOME TO THE FINS NEW SB ERA, 2010-

by fin4three5yrs on Sep 6, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never ever felt so underwhelmed at the beginning of a season

I’m actually feeling a little jealous of the Jets. They seem loose and confident. They have turned over a lot of their roster and don’t talk like this is a whole new experience. I hate the Jets now more then ever. Sporano just keeps tinkering with the Offensive Line and the Secondary. They are making me nervous and agitated. Just make up your collective minds already, sick of hearing we need to find the right combination. What? How many months does this really take? These guys are not cohesive and not playing as a unit. Still looking at the secondary? What Leadership Coach is making decisions and then making the best of those right or wrong. It’s ALL on you coach..2nd or 3rd place is not acceptable.

by dadsmithwest on Sep 6, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have got me in a "show me" mentality now,

I need to see it work now, we can’t rebuild every year, Sparano says we’re a play off team………… OK,…. put up or shut up, don’t tell me at the end of the year that we had too many young players, ya know, lol

by uncle finster on Sep 6, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that there's too much tinkering.

I growled audibly when I read,

“We’re still looking for the right combination of people [for the offensive line].”

Why? Of all places, why in the world are we still searching for guys who can play O-line? Aren’t you supposed to be an expert on that? As far as I can tell, the FO has made only 1 clearly good decision there — Jake Long — and one probably good decision — Vernon Carey. Other than that, it’s been a parade of MASH unit veterans, and draftees who didn’t work out.

Don’t get me wrong. This FO has done great, overall. We’re much stronger at QB, WR, and D-line, and have more talent at LB and CB, though it’s still unproven.

O-line, though . . . I just need to stop thinking about it.

by urbino on Sep 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

becuze they blew the pouncy deal, that would have dun it. Then they started running around, oh no it's another second pick what to do. Throw it away like we will do later with those other 2nd rd pick's!

“Takaromucho dolphin’s” (sry FO i’m just venting) cuz i wasent aloud in the war room, to exspress my effort. Let’s “get pouncy” then take the defence head on with all these releases of player’s, FO should have seen this cumming. Now just haveing said that I do have a (gentler side), look at those red-wood’s we picked up.

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by wild zion beaver on Sep 6, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont buy it

on the Grant and Douglas cuts. The vets will spot the starters, so they won’t get the amount of plays a game he talks about, the starters will. What you want is vets who know the system (they have been here for all this time and pre-season), can play and make a difference. How are two cut rookies that couldn’t stick with the Browns, who run a 3-4 too, suddenly make us better?

Don’t get it at all

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by MoLimits on Sep 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

And for the record

its being proven more and more that the FO aren’t exactly draft gurus. Forget Pat White, it was a gamble and didn’t work, but Turner, Shawn Murphy, Merling (he was 32nd overall pick of that draft) are all examples of them NOT getting it right. I don’t feel warm about their judgement of these two cut players from the Browns.

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by MoLimits on Sep 6, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Merling

Merling isn’t a bust, he is injured and probably suspended once he comes back. I don’t remember anything about personnel issues during the draft. He had a sport hernia that scared people off on draft day. Shawn Murphy , Patrick Turner and White did not work out for us at all. I doubt the FO’s ability at evaluating G’s at this point.

I think people are over analyzing what the F.O is doing with BENCH players. We add more talent to our starting lineup and the coaching staff is tinkering with the backup’s and practice squad. If your going to be so scared about the season at least be scared about the starter’s. The only issue we have there is the secondary which we have yet to see the defense in a real game yet.

by Pirate25 on Sep 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right, aren't draft gurus.

Yet they can keep every player from their 2009 draft and the majority of their 2008 draft. On top of that, the majority of 2010 players made it. How many 5th round picks need to make our team before they get a little credit here?

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 6, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so they got 3 guys wrong in 3 years?

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think more than that not sure but seems like 8 or so

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by 21Dave on Sep 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

out of how many picks? and how many low draft picks

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you look at every team and everybody has picks that don't work out

Just for the fact that we got long and henne in the same year.is a plus and not to shabby.We are a better team than last year, you his have too know that. I believe that everybody is worried because we didn’t win some pre season games, maybe because we ve done so well in past years pre season games and this year we looked realy sloppy. Maybe that could be a blessing for us, maybe now these his will come out playing with a since of urgency come next week. Lets all step away from the edge and make judgments at the end of the season.

by D0lphins4Life on Sep 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

was also asked about the 2009 draft, and how just about every pick from that draft is off the team now.

?? Hartline, Davis, smith, Clemons, Nalbone ? “just about every pick from that draft is off the team now” – just a bit of an exaggeration? more than half of the class are on the team.

by Phins 08 AFC East Champs on Sep 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's how the question was asked....

And, when you are looking at Pat White, Patrick Turner, Andrew Gardner, J.D. Folsom, and Jason Ferguson (trade – but a part if the draft), you have at least a huge chunk of the draft results no longer off the team.

It probably is exaggeration, but still, a viable point.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ferg retired.

Gardner was a late round pick. Turner was a bust, i’ll give you that. Folsom = 7th RDer. White was a bust.

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, because they were late round picks, they dont count as not being on the roster anymore?

I don’t understand that. The point is, a good chunk of a draft 18 months ago aren’t on the roster. You can’t discount that because he was a “late round pick.”

And, the same for Ferguson. Retired or not, he’s not on the roster.

I’m not arguing that the 2009 Draft was the worst draft ever – or who was a bust and who wasn’t; but it is a valid point that a lot of the players from that draft didn’t make it on the roster in the 2010 season.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many late round picks are on the same team's roster for more than a few years?

Not many of them. Sad fact is few late round picks are on the team after two to three years, if they even make it at all. Saying a 5th round pick or later from 2008 is off the team doesn’t mean it is bad drafting. By those rounds you’re looking for depth and players to develop, to which the respective organization didn’t think the player developed enough to warrant them being on the roster.

Oh yeah, Anthony Fasano (traded for draft pick) is still on the team.

by Finhead83 on Sep 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

“on the team after two to three years”

It’s been 1.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have an exetremely high turnover rate

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

some sobering numbers for that draft

71% of players picked from that draft are still with their original team. 55% of the Dolphins picks are still with the team.

However, Chicago, the Giants, Philly, Pitt, and Washington all had the same or worse success in that draft.
It was not a very good draft, but the fact that we got 3 starters in the secondary (Sean Smith will win his job back) in the same draft, as well as a starting WR is good enough for me.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nicky

I have no problems with the 2009 Draft – not every pick can be a winner – even highly selected guys – and, we did get a LOT of talent in the guys still on the team.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on the rest of the league

we had a bad draft, considering most teams had almost all of their picks still with them, and we were barely over half, but our 08 draft might have been the best of that particular year too…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but we also let go of our picks if they do nothing and won't see white ant turner

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

we don’t hang on to failed picks trying to make them work, which isn’t how most other FO’s work. There are quite a few GM’s that won’t release draft picks because they don’t want to feel like they failed, or they don’t want the owner to feel they failed, because they can always drop the “developing” line on him and save their job. If everyone released failed picks as quickly as we did, there would be quite a bit more turnover in the GM departments around the league.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 6, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget about the free agent aspect of the FO

This has not gone well in the least. The CD & BM moves may or may not work out and only time will tell. Not to mention how many vets they have jerked around and pushed out of town. It appears most of these have been not worked well.

by dadsmithwest on Sep 6, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno.

I feel like they’ve done alright in free agency, everywhere except the O-line.

Starks was a terrific pickup. Dansby and Marshall, obviously. I still think Fasano was a good get. Ferguson did exactly what they expected him to do — give them a couple solid years at the end of his career while they transition this team to a 3-4. Thigpen (added to Penny) gives us better QB depth than just about anybody.

Given that:

a) they took over a 1-15 team that
b) was extremely thin just about everywhere, and
c) you get much better draft value if you’re not in the top 10

it seems to me a lot of veteran churn was inevitable for a while.

by urbino on Sep 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

MOSUL AND LEFTY

CONGRATS ON BECOMING OFFICIAL CONTRIBUTERS!!! (lol sorry lefty i’m a little late, it’s been awhile since i been on here)

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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Sep 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks MHTD.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOHOOO

I’m back with a vengeance

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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Sep 6, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And its about damn time!

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The FO has unique strats when drafting that is for sure.

But to say they are bad at it is just crazy. There are many draft picks that remain on our roster. Lets not forget our coaches manned the senior bowl this year. They got an inside look at players actually playing and responding to coaching earlier this year. This most likely added to the mystery picks we saw them make this draft. They know what they are doing.

Plus, don’t forget the one thing that no scout on earth can predict. It is well known that success and money changes players many times for the worse. This is the hardest thing to forsee in scouting new players from college. Many times the success just goes to their heads and they quit. These are 20 year old kids suddenly on the worlds largest stage with bigtime $$ in their hands many times for the first time in their lives. No one can predict what will come of them once their lives change so drastically.

by labrat3105 on Sep 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

well put, not too mention when these guys go from college where theyre consider superstars

Then they come too nfl everyone is at there level and better. some of these guys can’t handle the mental aspect of not being what they were I’m college. Also some made it because of there physical gifts and aren’t smart enough to make ot in the new nfl.where smarts are sometimes needed

by D0lphins4Life on Sep 6, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Damn I excited!

This team is going to stomp Buffalo flat!

All this worry and questioning guys who have been doing this (and doing it well) for years is silly.

Wait until we start running with a healthy Ricky and Ronnie. Wait until Henne gets comfy and starts pulling the trigger with his new WRs. Wait until Nolan unleashes his agressive style of defense with these young, strong and fearless kids. Wait until this O-line realizes that they’re some big nasty dudes and start beating up on the defense. Just wait! It’s coming Sunday! It’s coming like a brand new shiny freight train!

These Dolphins are gonna make it happen! And I’m gonna LOVE it!

Watch and you will be SHOWN!!!!

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by captainugly on Sep 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice write up sir!

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not worry. Your certainly one of the better writers here.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice read Mosul

I think coach has CLS with his nerves saying ya know, its like a twitch ya know..

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by 21Dave on Sep 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Some people are NEVER happy.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Lies! All lies!

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Johnson was the best at drafting

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by 21Dave on Sep 6, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and having hurricane proof hair.

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats for sure.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only cuze he acctuly played against sum of the kid's at the time he took over Dallas head coaching this & only this made him the great evaluator everone profest him to be. He needed no scout's to tell him to take!

Aikman, Smith, he new exzackly what he was getting. Hell he played against them year in & year out. Then getting lucky & trading a rb (Hershal walker) for all those 1st. rd pick also put the Jessy Jame’s, hoodwinking that said team (Vicking’s) out of a sh!t load more & the rest was history!

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by wild zion beaver on Sep 6, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that Walker trade was the trade for all times. Set Minn. back years and years.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and use male enhacement

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by 21Dave on Sep 6, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had some hits for sure.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Extremely great point!

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Extremely great point!

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter in, Charlie Anderson gone

yet more change, Anderson who had a shot to be weak side starter, is suddenly gone as Parcells brings in former 1st rd he picked in Dallas. Bobby of course failed in Dallas and was just cut by Rams, worst team in league (but they run a 4-3 )

Suprised Moses sticks and Anderson gone, maybe they see Moses competing for Strong side starter role. Just think this lack of stability will hurt us!

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by MoLimits on Sep 6, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

what we brought in Carpenter, we are streaching now.

yes bIll knows what he get from him he drafted him, but now so does everybody he has been cut and traded.I only have 1 gripe with the FO with drafting, they always seem like there trying to find a steal in every round. I just think first 3 rounds you draft the best player out there, then work on steals, but hey what do I know. I do like Odrick and Misi and Long but cant think of any other big hits we have on draft day.

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by 21Dave on Sep 6, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Well the FO knows more about his medical status than we do.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 6, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Allen/Sean Smith

I can’t say I am thrilled by the idea of Jason Allen starting. He has proven over and over again that he isn’t starter caliber. A great special teamer and decent dimeback, but not a starting corner.

Sean Smith on the other hand has the tools and I think can be great.

by Oldfinfan on Sep 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont get that move

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 7, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait.... there were cuts?

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by Alpha6 on Sep 7, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL Did you take another of your really long naps Alpha?

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by texascowpunk on Sep 7, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently

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by PotM on Sep 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

live under a rock?

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by PotM on Sep 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

live under a rock?

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by PotM on Sep 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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