The Dolphin Churn

by Phintastic on Sep 5, 2010 9:52 PM EDT

With the latest turn of events since the final cuts, we now have 20 new players on the team since last years final cuts. Does this seem excessive to you or are we still in the rebuilding phase of the 3 year project? I know we were just 1-15 just 3 short years ago, but i thought we had a good necleus last year, we just happended to be bitten by the injury bug, imho.

Of the 20 new players, 9 are offense and the other 11 on the defense side of the ball. I can understand the turn rate on the defense with our trouble last year, but that is almost half of that unit being replaced. Is that something to worry about. I think so. Will these guys take time to get used to each other, do we have the time to let this happen?

We now have (10) Rookies and (10) 2nd year players on the team. That is pretty young...

Roster
NO	NAME	POS	HT	WT	AGE	EXP	COLLEGE
2	Brandon Fields	P	6-5	245	26	4	Michigan State '07
5	Dan Carpenter	K	6-2	225	24	3	Montana '08
7	Chad Henne	QB	6-3	230	25	3	Michigan '08
10	Chad Pennington	QB	6-3	225	34	11	Marshall '00
14	Marlon Moore	WR	6-0	190	23	R	Fresno State '10
15	Davone Bess	WR	5-10	190	24	3	Hawaii '08
16	Tyler Thigpen	QB	6-1	224	26	4	Coastal Carolina '07
18	Roberto Wallace	WR	6-4	225	24	R	San Diego State '10
19	Brandon Marshall	WR	6-4	230	26	5	Central Florida '05
21	Vontae Davis	CB	5-11	203	22	2	Illinois '10
23	Ronnie Brown	RB	6-0	230	28	6	Auburn '05
24	Sean Smith	CB	6-3	214	23	2	Utah '10
26	Lex Hilliard	RB	5-11	240	26	2	Montana '08
27	Benny Sapp	CB	5-9	190	29	7	Northern Iowa '07
28	Nolan Carroll	CB	6-1	202	23	R	Maryland '10
29	Tyrone Culver	S	6-1	210	27	5	Fresno State '06
30	Chris Clemons	S	6-1	210	24	2	Clemson '09
32	Jason Allen	CB	6-1	200	27	5	Tennessee '06
34	Ricky Williams	RB	5-10	230	33	10	Texas '99
35	Reshad Jones	S	6-1	214	22	R	Georgia '10
36	Lousaka Polite	FB	6-0	245	28	6	Pittsburgh '04
37	Yeremiah Bell	S	6-0	205	32	7	Eastern Kentucky '03
38	Patrick Cobbs	RB	5-8	205	27	5	North Texas '06
51	Tim Dobbins	LB	6-1	246	27	5	Iowa State '06
52	Channing Crowder	LB	6-2	250	26	6	Florida '06
55	Koa Misi	LB	6-3	251	23	R	Utah '10
56	Charlie Anderson	LB	6-4	250	26	7	Mississippi '04
57	Micah Johnson	LB	6-2	258	22	R	Kentucky '10
58	Karlos Dansby	LB	6-4	250	28	7	Auburn '04
59	Ikaika Alama-Francis	LB	6-5	290	25	4	Hawaii '07
64	Jake Grove	C	6-4	300	30	7	Virginia Tech '04
66	Joe Reitz	OL	6-7	320	25	2	Western Michigan '08
67	Joe Berger	C	6-5	311	28	6	Michigan Tech '05
68	Richie Incognito	G	6-3	324	27	6	Nebraska '04
70	Kendall Langford	DE	6-6	290	24	3	Hampton '08
71	Robert Rose	DE	6-4	297	22	R	Ohio State '10
72	Vernon Carey	T	6-5	340	25	7	Miami (Fla.) '04
73	Jermey Parnell	OL	6-6	290	24	1	Mississippi '09
74	John Jerry	G	6-5	328	24	R	Mississippi '10
76	Lydon Murtha	T	6-7	315	24	2	Nebraska '09
77	Jake Long	T	6-7	317	25	3	Michigan '08
78	Tony McDaniel	DE	6-7	310	25	5	Tennessee '07
79	Pat McQuistan	T	6-6	319	25	5	Weber State '06
80	Anthony Fasano	TE	6-4	255	26	5	Notre Dame '06
82	Brian Hartline	WR	6-2	186	23	2	Ohio State '10
86	John Nalbone	TE	6-4	255	24	1	Monmouth '09
91	Cameron Wake	LB	6-3	250	28	2	Penn State '05
93	Quentin Moses	LB	6-5	260	26	4	Georgia '07
94	Randy Starks	NT	6-3	305	26	7	Maryland '05
95	Clifton Geathers	DE	6-7	300	22	R	South Carolina '10
96	Paul Soliai	DT	6-4	355	26	4	Utah '07
97	John Denney	LS	6-5	255	31	6	Brigham Young '05
98	Jared Odrick	DE	6-5	304	22	R	Penn State '10

Poll

Do you feel we have just started the rebuilding process or do we have the necleus to be a great team this year.

We needed a major overhaul, keep the faith

48 votes

Wow, Are we that bad? I thought maybe 10 players but not 20.

9 votes

WTH, What is the FO thinking

13 votes

70 votes | Poll has closed

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I like that the front office recognizes mistakes, we won 7 games last year so its not like we had a perfect roster…

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 5, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

they definitely have made their shares of mistakes

but at least they move on when needed. 40 % of the team is new, it will be pretty amazing if they all come together.

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by Phintastic on Sep 5, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

It's a foxhole mentality.

They come together because they all want to keep their jobs.

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 6, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Lol; there we go "thinking outside the box" ya got to love it!

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by wild zion beaver on Sep 6, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions

rec'd!

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by wild zion beaver on Sep 6, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Beave, there are days when I can't even see the box.

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Lol; but i do no what u r saying about the seeing part anyway!

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by wild zion beaver on Sep 6, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Trifecta

This regime is sending the message that they’re running out of patience. If you’re not a solid starter on this team, you’d better be on notice. As Sparano himself said to his team after last season, “7-9 is not good enough”. This team is going to constantly need to upgrade and frankly, none of the guys waived broke my heart. The way I look at it, if you weren’t good enough to start for a 7-9 team let’s get some other bodies in here who can compete. It’ a cold business but that’s the way it is. I’ve been a loyal fan since 1966 and it kills me that we havn’t won the big one since the ‘73 season. So I say let’s keep the turnstyle turning down at camp until we find the guys that can win.

by Biggest Dolphin Fan on Sep 6, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions

Im with you man um This ^

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by DPL3 Rollin on Sep 6, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions

I don't think they're running out of patience..

They never had any to start with.

That’s been their SOP from day one. Work hard, show total commitment and above all produce or “see ya.” This team will always run a little scared because they will always know if they don’t cut it on the field they’re gone.

We can debate the pro’s and cons of this approach as a motivational technique but the FO is entirely committed to “churning” the roster. We’re going to see this every year…maybe not 20, but I doubt of the number of new faces will ever dip below 10.

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 6, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions

I would hope they were better at player evaluation

so that doesn’t happen, normally good teams don’t change that many players.

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by uncle finster on Sep 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions

If you look at the 49rs under Walsh

And even the Patriots in the last 10 years, they were both pretty ruthless about their personnel decisions. The turn-over is higher than you’d think. It’s an approach some good teams have used effectively.

The difference is they don’t think of the players they release as mistakes, just parts they no longer need or can upgrade.

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 6, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

i thought the average roster changes were from 10-20%

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by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions

depending on the FO and if they are rebuilding it will increase dramatically

by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

20% of 53 is 10 +/-

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 6, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions

yep

by PotM on Sep 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Those teams were definitely not known for huge changes every year,

yes they were ruthless but they weren’t changing out so many people, they didn’t need to.

by uncle finster on Sep 6, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Just an example - 1988-1990 49'ers

In 1988 the 49’rs went 10-6 and won the Super Bowl

That offseason they replaced 14 players on their 57 player roster

In 1989 they went 14-2, won the Super Bowl and then replaced 17 players from their 57 player roster.

In 1990 they went 14-2 and lost the conference championship.

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 6, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions

that's interesting

maybe we arent so far off track. Maybe all the new guys come in hungry and push the starters to even higher expectations. It would be interesting to see how many injuries the 49ers had in those years.

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by Phintastic on Sep 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions