Dolphins close preseason with loss to (backup) Cowboys
After a disappointing performance against the Falcons a week ago, this fourth and final preseason game was supposed to help get this Dolphins team ready for the regular season. That's why head coach Tony Sparano decided he would go against conventional wisdom and play his first-team units on both sides of the ball. Not only did he play his starters, he left them in the game into the second quarter.
And what did it do? In a nut shell, it just raised more questions about this football team and almost had a terrible consequence when Jake Long suffered what looked to be some kind of leg injury, limping off the field after needing some time to get back to his feet following a sack of Chad Henne that resulted in a turnover. It does seem that the Dolphins avoided any kind of major disaster - it's looking like Jake will be just fine.
I wish we could say the same thing about this team's play.
Let's talk a little bit about what we saw on Thursday night at Cowboys Stadium. And please note that I'm doing this all off memory. The NFLN re-air isn't until tonight and by tomorrow the team will be announcing their cuts - so there's no use in waiting to do this. With that said, here were my impressions from this game:
-First off, some injury news. Joe Berger got the start at center while Jake Grove did not even make the trip. Jeff Darlington reports that Grove is suffering from an issue with the AC joint in his shoulder. Linebacker Channing Crowder did not make the trip, either. But Darlington tweets that it is "very possible both will play week one."
-When another team's backups give your starting offensive line this kind of trouble, you can't help but be concerned. That's what we had to sit through on Thursday night - the backup Dallas defense going toe to toe with Miami's offensive line...and winning more often than they should have. Were there times when Chad Henne had a lot of time to throw? Yes. Was there one huge gaping hole for a running back to run through? Yes. But the offensive line also yielded a sack to Henne that resulted in a drive-ending fumble. On most rushing plays, there was no place for the back to run. They got shoved back into the backfield far too often. Just not a good performance - something that has become a trend this preseason. Let's hope they can just flip that switch once the games actually matter next weekend.
-I was disappointed with Chad Henne and the passing attack more so than I am concerned. They did not look to be in rhythm for much of their time out there against these Dallas backups. I would have wished to see more of Brandon Marshall. Henne was inaccurate on that one endzone pass directed to Marshall. I know we're only seeing about 10% of the passing offense that we will see in the regular season, though. That's why I'm not concerned...yet. Just disappointed. On the plus side, Henne did look good going through his progressions and finding the open man when he had time to throw. Still, 6 of 11 for 53 yards and a lost fumble against backups? Not what you want to see.
-It was nice to see those two early 3rd & long conversions - to none other than Davone Bess, of course. Who else would Henne go to on 3rd down? You could see on one of those throws how Brandon Marshall was used to clear out the area for Bess. Davone did lead the AFC in 3rd down conversion receptions a year ago, too, so he knows how to get open. I think Marshall's presence on the field is going to do wonders for a guy like Bess - something many people probably are overlooking right now when they talk about Brandon's impact on this team.
-I know some of you want to write off Brian Hartline already - and that one dropped pass last night isn't going to help his case. But I really believe he's going to be fine. And he just has a knack for getting open in the redzone, doesn't he? Nice back shoulder grab for six last night.
-That was really good coverage by Sean Smith on Sam Hurd. But a perfect throw made Smith look bad. Truth be told, most corners would have given up that long touchdown pass if the quarterback makes that kind of perfect throw. The holding penalty committed by Smith angered me more. And yes, I'm aware Sean hasn't had a very good preseason. But don't read too much into that. Quarterbacks aren't going to be facing a base defense with a three or four man rush every play once the games start to count. The different looks and added pressure is going to make this Miami secondary look better than they have these past four games.
-Cameron Wake was a force on Thursday night. He kept getting the corner against the tackle and rushed a couple of throws while also picking up his first and only sack of the preseason. I'm anxious to see how he does once Mike Nolan unleashes his real defense in the regular season. Could it be an Elvis Dumervil kind of season for Wake?
-Jared Odrick put together his best performance of the preseason, driving his blocker into the backfield a couple of times. He displayed that power that we've all heard a lot about. He looked good setting the edge and was a big part of Miami limiting Dallas' rushing attack in the first half. We also saw his speed and motor (for a defensive end/tackle, that is) when he chased down Tashard Choice 34 yards down field (thanks to a missed tackle from Jason Allen, of course) to make a tackle.
-Rookie linebacker Micah Johnson didn't have a great night by any means. But it's telling that Johnson worked as the starter in place of the injured Channing Crowder. He also was part of the first-team kickoff coverage team. It's likely Micah makes this final 53 man team when all is said and done this weekend.
-Charlie Anderson got in some more work at inside linebacker and didn't look out of place in doing so. You all know I have been hard on Anderson. But I like his versatility. He seems to read and react quickly when he's playing on the inside. He's got the speed to drop into coverage. And he was active all game long.
-The Dolphins have a tough decision to make at the receiver position. Marlon Moore seems like a lock to make the team and be the fourth receiver. He again worked with the starters when they needed a fourth receiver and he put together a very good game - showing excellent route running for an undrafted and, quite frankly, raw receiver. As for the fifth spot, I always assumed it would go to Patrick Turner. And though he had a big play last night, it was Roberto Wallace who stole the spotlight - making three big plays for quarterback Tyler Thigpen. He had that tough grab for 22 yards. Another tough catch with a corner draped over him for 31 yards. And then he used his big frame to shield off a defender and haul in the six yard score. He certainly made his case to be on this team. Will it be enough, though? Or will the Dolphins expose him to waivers in hopes of placing him on their practice squad? No doubt - this will be one of the most scrutinized roster decisions this weekend.
Those are my impressions from last night's loss. Now I open the floor to all of you...
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Great post Matty..
I seem to really trash Hartline alot. I just set my expectations for him so high after we got the beast. It’s like he never gets open, and when he does it’s a drop but…. He has alot of potential and is a threat inside the rezone for sure! Great play by odrick, starting to see why we drafted him! Oh and last but not least, and I know you guys r gona trash me for this but idc anyways! Please stop making excuses for Sean Smith!!!!!!!!!!! He’s not good … “Oh it’s only preseason” , I thought that was the only time he’s good? “Good holding penalty saved us from a touchdown” , He should of never got beat off the line! “Perfect throw good coverage in the endzone”, Good coverage??? Are u serious
by Goon305Boy10 on Sep 3, 2010 5:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good thing the coaches don't make roster decisions based on your logic
You’re right. Sean Smith is awful. He just can’t cover a man to save his life. Awful.
Oh, by the way, did I tell you I was getting promoted to Partner at KPMG the day I start full-time? Man, that Internship paid off.
Give me a break!
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
You’re lucky Fr8 isn’t in this thread right now
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I've already dealt with him in the thread :)
I refuse to waste my breath on dreamers…unless their name is DB hehe
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At least DB is making progress
We have got to give him that. I credit you with the transformation
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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Our offense needs time to gel
Same thing I’ve been telling all my buds who think the Heat are going all the way this year. Some things take time, and good for us that a lot of our starters had most of last season to get in sync. Henne needs to work on his touch, and Marshall/Hartline need to work on their drops, but all in all I’m not worried (yet).
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Chemistry is extremely important in football, however in basketball the teams with the best players usually win. Been a Fan of both teams and the sport for along time. Just picture Chris johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Andre Johnson playing a 5 on 5 without the linemen. The Heat will Destroy this year. Wish I could say the same thing about our Dolphins. Still keeping hope alive that Henne will be great.
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befor the draft even begain i was the one & only to make a point to get pouncy no one listend
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 3, 2010 7:24 AM EDT reply actions
The center is the key to the offence, it's "clearly a shame" cuz when we finely get the center. Oh & we will get a young one, but it's gonna take sum groming & the line has to play together for sum time to gell Pouncy was the closest to being autostarter!
I’ve kept my eye open for sum years, but i was not in the war room. We can do only what we can do!
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 3, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Pouncey will make an immediate impact and would be a Pro Bowl caliber center for years to come.
If only, Beav. Maybe next year we get somebody similar.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone similar? Wherever could we find someone like Pouncey?

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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Sep 3, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
touche.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
I like Pouncey, but I have waaaay more interest in Rodney Hudson from FSU
His technique is almost flawless, and he has room to bulk up even more if necessary. He’s only 6’3, but he would be awesome between Jerry and Incognito.
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Agreed
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got the worst feeling
when I read “between Jerry and Incognito”, I got the worst mental image.
Beast + Robot x Karlito's Way = Championships & Happiness
Harvey Milk called Sanchise and told him to man up
Can't wait for my Marshall jersey to get here
by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Sep 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Odrick, on the other hand.
Chased down a running back from behind 30 yds downfield on the opposite of the field.
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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 3, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hartlines catch was nice.... He worked that CB in the endzone with nice veteran use of
hands and feet spinning back towards the corner of the endzone and ball the way he did.. And Moore was not looking like a raw reciever for sure. I got a good vibe from the Defense, It seems they have been under pressure all season with the base look they have been running which is putting undo pressure on the secondary.
Not sure if it got on TV or not
but after Hartline got over to the sidelines after the TD catch, Marshall was one of the first to congratulate him. Marshalll was all over the sideline wearing his orange Dolphin hat, smiling and chatting away after he came out.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
Yep
Saw that on TV. He seems like such a good guy
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
Noticed that too
And also that Marshall was watching the game closely from the sideline. Easy to spot him on TV with the orange Dolphins cap.
its crazy how fast some of our weaknesses turned to strength and strengths turned to weaknesses.
I can defenitely see next years draft being a balanced team need draft. But a lot of these problems will work themselves out as the year progresses.
Wake did have a good game I could see him really making some big plays this year.
I can also see Offensive co-ordinators attacking Wake with screens and crack blocking, using that high motor and lack of game experience against him. But if Camerons learning curve continues that wouldn’t be a problem for long.
I'm getting more faith in Brian Hartline
He’s had some stupid drops this preseason, but if you watch him play, he’s a really good route runner and has a knack for getting open. If Henne had made a better throw, Hartline would have taken that long pass for a TD easily – he was what, like 4 yards ahead of his man in single coverage?
What worries me most is our offensive line. Sad to say it, but it’s true. Like you said Matty, they’re getting pushed into the backfield by BACKUPS. I’ve been steadily impressed with our passing game but our runners just don’t seem to have anything to work with.
And tell me please: WHY can’t we run a damn halfback screen? We’ve gotta be the worst in the league at running slip screens.
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
But why run one in the preseason
these games mean squat
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing as we really are so terrible at it why wouldnt you want to practice it in live gametime situation
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying
why would we even bother running one in the preseason. Who knows if we’re truly awful at it? If it’s a strength, we wouldn’t show it off
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
I'm just judging by the past two seasons or so
We’ve got great backs and a great offensive line with athletic guards, but why can’t we run slip screens? I can only think of one good one we’ve run, which was on MNF against the Jets. We’ve been awful at it in the past, so I figure it should be something we need to work on in the preseason. It makes sense to me that the preseason would be the time to work on something like that, since supposedly it’s a timing issue.
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
sí
and does it seem like we’ve been pretty good at giving up big plays on screens from the defensive side too? that one type of play hasn’t been our friend from what i can rememember…
jets suck!
by colinmc82 on Sep 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anytime I see us try to set up a screen I sigh because I know its not gonna work
that’s not a good perception to have
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha yes, this
Every time I see us run a screen I think, “Oh great, way to set ourselves up for embarrassment.” And then every time I see someone run a screen against us I think, “Oh sh*t, please just hold him to 20 or so.”
I’m not sure what it is about those screens, they just seem to work against us on both sides of the ball.
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
It's cuz the way our O line is 'sposes to work
every D knows that there’s no reason our guys are gonna give ground.
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Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don't know what it is. I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion. -- Col. Flagg
Disappointed with the same inconsistent poor play
Did we have too much change on this team to be effective and consistent early this season? While some of that change may make the team better in the future the team could start slowly again. Can Sporano do anything to get these guys sharp? He already played the we stunk card and that was no help. How did we get to this point and not be ready to start the season Coach? We got our butts kicked by the Dallas JV team and guys that won’t even be in the NFL this year. I have to wonder if Sporano is the right guy to lead this team. Do we have a Parcells type coach or another Wannstedt on our hands?
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My thoughts...
-Hartline, I have always liked and I agree what a knack to get open in the Endzone.
-Offensive Line. I just don’t think Berger has it. He stays healthy and he is quick. Thats the only positive I can see over Grove. If Grove doesn’t start as the Center week 1 he’ll take it over eventually.
-Pass Rush…. where was it? I was preaching it was vanilla defense base defense, blitz 1 or 2 guys that it no stunts no nothing, but 4 guys should get to the QB. On the long pass to Hurd for the TD the Fins blitz the ROLB both ILB and the LOLB rushed in once his man stayed in for protection. Maybe they got there and put pressure on the QB but for 300+ yds and only 1 sack it didn’t work the best. Plus Dallas had 5 sacks to the Fins 1.
Not all too concern it it preseason, and in 2003 Ricky’s first year he did pretty poor and ended up leading the league in rushing
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I don't see what Turner offers that Wallace doesn't also offer
Both WRs are raw and need development. Wallace is just as big a target as Turner, but faster. From the limited highlights I saw of the game, Wallace was having no trouble getting by his defender. Yeah, he dropped a pass, but he made big catches when he was called upon. Wallace plays special teams and Turner doesn’t. IMO, Turner is dead weight and needs to go.
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This FO has been quick to correct its mistakes though
Justin Smiley was the first FA signing by this FO. Couldn’t stay on the field and was traded. Ernest Wilford was supposed to be the big physical WR we needed. He sucked and was cut. Pat White seems to be on his way out and he was a 2nd round pick. Merling may get cut next season since Odrick has become the starter and we found decent depth.
Plus front offices LOVE to have successful UDFAs. Its a point of pride also that they find undrafted gems.
In the same situations last night, the team called on Moore, Turner, and Wallace to make plays against the same competition. Moore and Wallace answered the call. Turner had one play, but was silent the rest of the night. Here’s a tweet from Ben Volin during the game:
Roberto Wallace and Marlon Moore getting all the reps now at WR. No sign of Patrick Turner on the field
If we cut Wallace, hopefully it will be because we found someone better, not because they are too proud to cut what appears to be a bust pick.
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Quick on FA busts but not so much with draft picks. White and Turner could test that because they should both be cut IMO.
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PS Turner and if he gets snagged up
“Darn”
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
but, these guys have been doing this longer than i'e been alive.
I would think they know what players have a realistic chance to do what they want out of them.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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"pat white seems to be on his way out"
Not so sure…I think the FO is trying to trade Thigpen. I hope I’m wrong, because I consider him a great backup QB. Not a great first QB, but a great backup. Pat White, on the other hand…not such a great backup for now.
I guess Pat White is not trade bait. Nobody has seen him play, nobody has seen flashes of greatness. I would guess nobody is interested in him.
And as said below by ct1361…draft picks are a more sensitive subject than FA acquisitions. I do hope the FO prove us wrong.
agree pride = powerful
also agree Wallace = slight upgrade because of Special Teams play.
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
fixed*
also agree Wallace = slight upgrade because of Special Teams play.
and in general play
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL Yes and yes!
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Yea with the performance he put on last night I know the trifecta stayed up late last night and got up early this morning thinking about Wallace and Turner.
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its a tough call
Wallace is obviously playing better but then the coaches have to admit they were plain wrong on Turner
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And Turner has great hands...............
IDK if they are going to keep a Ginn type player that can’t return, but also Turner doesn’t do STs………………………………………………………….
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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But in crunch time during the game
Thigpen looked for Moore and Wallace. Turner was very quiet, save for one catch. Wallace routinely got open and had 3 receptions for 59 yards. He caught a 31 yard pass in fairly tight coverage and made a remarkable catch in very tight coverage for a touchdown. He showed me that he can make plays when needed to. Turner may have great hands, but can’t get often nearly as often. Wallace also plays ST, so what does Turner offer that he doesn’t? Slightly better hands. Not worth keeping him just for that IMO.
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It just depends on what they want.
A guy that can get open deep but has the dropsies (ginn prototype?) or A guy that will catch anything, but needs help on route running?
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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But in a game, in the red zone
Turner couldn’t get on the field. Wallace and Moore were the only WRs on the field when they scored their TDs. Turner is supposed to be this big red zone threat, so where was he? He and his hands were on the sideline watching two undrafted rookies make plays, score TDs and fight for a job. Bottom line, Wallace and Moore made plays when asked to and Turner didn’t.
Since Turner doesn’t play ST. That means if he makes the team, then he’ll be inactive on game days. Wallace may still be inactive on game days, but COULD be active for special teams purposes. That means his ST play could ALSO allow him to see time at WR. But even if all Wallace accomplished this season was a ST tackle, then he made more of an impact than Turner did as a rookie.
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But if they are the 5th WR, they won't get on the field anyway
so i really don’t care which one is on the 53. Turner will get snatched up on the PS right away, but Wallace won’t. or i could be wrong, and it is the opposite.. that might influence the FO’s decision more than anything, a both players won’t be active come game day.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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I just saw the news
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Ditto EARL.......
I am just hoping they can check their EGO’s and dump the draft pick failure… ya failure.
Turner was a mid 3rd round pick and hasnt shown he belongs in the NFL… BESS, and now MOORE and WALLACE were all undrafted – and are much better. I dont know WHY the FO wants to hang on to failed draft picks so long ? They have done a GREAT job in the FA WR market (Moore and Wallace this year) – so PLEASE keep Wallace over Turner… its no shame Tuna…and Pat White ? Show the GUTS necessary – cut our losses… we need the roster slot.
I don’t care how we aquire talent – just keep the best player ! In this case that’s Wallace – Moore is a NO BRAINER – he has earned the #4 ahead of them both.
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they don't hold on to draft picks that don't pan out.
Murphy is a good example. They have been VERY successful so far, so there isn’t many cases like that.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Did anybody else notice how much better the team was with CP10 under center? I’m surprised nobody mentioned this!
I was thinking that
Granted Penny has 10 years on Henne, he is going to look like an all star with the scrubs in there. But he looked good. I don’t think it would be a bad thing for Penny to be the starting QB for this team again, however there are a few things that make me think Henne is the better starter. First his Arm Strength gives this team a big upside. He is also learning and will get there eventually, his accuracy will never be his strongest asset, but it has gotten better. Not including last nights game he had 11 drops so that helps his number, but also wonders if he needs to throw a touch pass more than bullet. Finally, putting Penny in will just stunt Henne’s growth and for the team to get all prepared for Penny just to go down with an injury is hard to do.
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I also think Henne needs to work on throwing more of a touch pass. Sometimes, I have to think that’s what’s causing a lot of drops. But speaking of arm strength, Pennington’s arm looked much better last night than it’s been looking. He looked really good, especially considering that he did what Henne couldn’t and CP10 didn’t even have the aid of Brandon Marshall and Jake Long.
by BahamaFinFan on Sep 3, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
this is really one of the main reason's I didnt want Pennington resigned
We need to move on from Penne. He is winning a playoff game with that arm strength. Ed Reed single-handedly proved that. Henne has a ton of potential and there is no need to turn Penne into a progress stopper
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I am getting worried about the OL.
What has been a strength is looking like a weakness.
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by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 3, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, he might be a FA soon :)
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He’s looking big an healthy. Looking really nice in practice too.
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That's what I'm thinking too
Depending how well other positions perform throughout the season, I can see us drafting Pouncey to be our new center and cutting Grove. Maybe even a RT as well.
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I agree, the poor performance of OL has me very concerned.
I think the season’s success will likely start and end on its effectiveness.
I feel better about the whole thing after your write up
I missed the game last night but between Twitter and the game summary on the major paper’s sites I was starting to feel a little despair.
Anderson seems to be becoming the Nate Garner of the defense—the kind of versatile role player that defines good depth (too bad we lost Nate).
Drops and recent troubles notwithstanding, I am so freaking excited about our WRs this year. We finally have a diverse skill set to attack the field in a ton of ways. Should be fun.
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No comments on Thigpen?
His performance pleased me a lot, although the rest of the team was not exactly great during his time on the field. Very athletic, good game view. I’m not sure what’s going on with Henne, but I think we’ll be fine with the Penne/Thigpen combo. (If they don’t trade Thigpen, that is. Please don’t!)
And yes, Penne rules. Yes, he’s got more nfl years on his back than Henne, he’s got a noodle arm, yes. But he’s the man.
As for the OL…it’s funny, ‘cause you would always hear that our OL was the only part of our team that was “ready”, that didn’t need much improvement. For now, I’m concerned. But again, it’s just preseason, who knows.
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First and foremost I don’t believe this is the game you want to judge your starters with. Even if they did do some good things we must remember this was the Dallas 2nd team. So if your going to have an accurate evaluation of anyone its going to be our own backups (Marlon Moore, Roberto Wallace, O-line, Micah Johnson, Tim Dobbins, John Nalbone,etc.)
As for the wide receiver battle, we already know Marlon Moore is a lock. The last spot is a battle between Patrick Turner and Roberto Wallace. Though Turner has the edge because he’s a former draft pick, Wallace should get the last spot. Unlike Turner, Wallace actually plays like he’s 6’4". And if he continues to improve Wallace could potentially be a #2 (just sayin).
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by Deuce Black on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wallace actually plays like he’s 6’4". And if he continues to improve Wallace could potentially be a #2 (just sayin).
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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Close to the vest - It's because of the schedule
i think they are playing the pre-season so vanilla and it has to do with the schedule.
3 of the first 4 games division rivalries plus a trip to Minnesota. they don’t want to show anything and I don’t blame them.
Look this team has some question marks i understand that – but i also beleive this is a good young football team. They are going to be physical and they are going to battle.
the first 10 weeks of the season are brutal – we will know soon how good this team is – i would not be shocked if they win 8-9 games but I would love to see 10-11 wins.
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
Given that this is not a veteran, proven team...
I do come out of the preseason with some concerns. Granted a comfortable win next week would do away with that, but the point here is….how much did we see during the preseason from our young players, that make us think they can flip t he switch and walk over buffalo…..? Ok, complete homers need not respond :-)
We’re still seeing a great many of the same problems…..mediocre o-line play, dropped passes, poor timing in the passing game…
All of these things can be corrected but you’d like to see them sorted out before the games count, rather than hoping they resolve themselves when the games are for real!
Best hopes for a much better performance in week 1.
Last year Atlanta owned our O-Line
We made adjustments and improved. Maybe we’re seeing that happen a little earlier this time?
(Trying not to go full homer on you but I’m already going there….)
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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That exscudes 89% of us Nat, as far as i'm concerned "the stud's we lost" were on the Oline.
Give or take a few, moreover size is 70% of the eqation 30% smart’s is the best part!
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Secondary still worries me
My biggest concern is Sean Smith. He can play great coverage. He had good coverage on Sam Hurd last night on the TD he gave up. But instead of playing the ball and using his size to his advantage, he went for the pick and it cost us. That’s a mental error and that what worries me the most about him. That kind of stuff comes with experience, but I’d rather it not happen in a game that counts. I know he wants to make plays and get an interception since he went 0fer last year. But I hope that doesn’t mean he’ll make the wrong decision at the wrong time, like he did last night. He doesn’t seem to have the short memory that corners need and tends to dwell on his mistakes. He has the size and speed to be a devastating corner. But he lacks some mental toughness that I hope he can get from more experience.
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i share this concern - i saw this last year as well
he stays tight to the receiver – he does that well – but but even when he is right there the receivers seem to win some how.
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not worried too much....
One thing that I remember reading is that Sparano hammers Henne in the practices following games on what he struggled with. Same approach with the team and these preseason games. What were seeing is Tony putting people in situations they’re struggling with…….until they get better. They’re doing what they need to do, no worries.
Not to open the “S. FL. media sucks” box, but I seriously wonder how much Omie and Argoofdo work against the a positive Fin culture. It’s one thing to be a “no B.S./get to the truth” type reporter, but these guys just half-ass their way through whiny crap they call sports blogs.
Not to rant but seriously, wouldn’t informative and hard-working reporters covering our team make for a better “culture”? It feels like Dolphin fans are a bunch of spoiled brats walking around Walmart with no shoes and melted slushie all down their shirt, crying for their mommies (Omie and Argoofdo), who just proceed in feeding more crap and setting them off to cry around the store some more!
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I hate to say this
but in my opinion I think Thigpen gets traded, I think that is the main reason we have seen so much of him durring the preseason to showcase what he can do, I could see someone trading for him and us keeping White, honestly I could see him going to the Bills and starting right away or even the Cardinals and starting
its possible - and i am okay with it
as long as they get value – they still have a #2 that needs to be replaced from the Marshall trade.
but would would prefer it to be out of the Division personally.
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't see them trading him to the bills
at this point in the year. Upgrading one of our division rivals right before we play them isn’t a very good idea.
I dont think its worth it
even if we get a pick we’d be looking for a backup future QB next year. Penne isnt playing forever
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the breakdown, plain and simple.
Dallas’ second- and third-string guys were out there last night. Some of those were guys trying to fight to earn a starting spot, where any open camps may be (or just to show Coach that they are a better fit with the first team unit). Some of those guys were fighting to earn a roster spot, and we all know there are plenty of cuts a-comin’.
Come on guys, I don’t care if you’re a vet to this site or a rookie—we know damn well that a veteran player such as players on our O-Line or a guy who knows he’s going to be starting is not going to work his ass off in a game where most teams don’t play their starters. It’s the final preseason game, a mere tune-up, a way to settle the final spots on your roster. This isn’t a game where coaches generally have their guys gel and work on confidence heading into the season. The guys know they’re going to get banged up enough when the real games start, why would a first-team player give his all before starting a 16+ game season? Why? It doesn’t make any sense. Nobody on our team had as much urgency as their guys, and there is plenty of reason for that. None of our guys were fighting for anything, they were just going through the motions.
And that’s why our second/third teamers looked much better than our first team. It’s the most simple aspect of the preseason, and so many of you CLS-mongers are missing it.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I'm going to have to Nat, if you don't want the honors :)
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 3, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha!
you’d be proud of me Dave, i’m taking tax 1 & 2 this semester and hoping to take/pass the Enrolled Agent Exam early next year with an eye towards the CPA test beyond that…
I'm sure you'll pass it without any problems
tax courses, though sometimes dry, can also be very interesting. There’s almost too much to learn, I’m sure you’ll have a field day with your intelligence :)
Good luck! I start the CPA within the year or soon after, it’s going to be tough. My brother just completed his, lucky sob.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
Exactly
It goes under the premise that players play harder during contract years. These 2nd and 3rd stringers were playing for a contract last night. Of course they are going to try harder. The 4th preseason game is basically the last tryout. Guys that NEED to try, will. Those that don’t, won’t.
For example: would it matter if Jake Long gave up a sack to a 3rd string Dallas pass rusher? The answer is yes and no. It doesn’t matter in the least to Long. If it were the regular season, he’d crush that guy. Jake knows this. But he also knows he’ll get his check next week and the week after and the week after that and so on. It DOES matter to the 3rd stringer trying to make the team. He may not even be in the NFL next week. So he’s utterly desperate to make a play. Beating a Pro Bowl LT, even if he Long was going at 50% effort, would be great for his resume. It might earn him an NFL paycheck.
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Playing devil's advocate OK....!
but it isn’t as if our 1st team guys (most, not all) have been world beaters or are perennial all-pros that you know will come good. What’s the excuse then for them going through the motions, particularly when the head coach called them out?
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My rebuttal to that is, if your body is what made you money, would you risk it in a contest that means absolutely nothing to you because you know you’ll have a chance to win when the contests really count? You want to preserve your focus, energy, physicality for that contest that matters, don’t you?
I think we think of these guys as machines, well-oiled ones, that can just throw their bodies into the fire week in and week out and we expect them to go out and do it again the next week. We have to look at it from their shoes; I know damn well I’d go at 50% in a game that meant nothing if I knew that 10 days from now, I’d have to start playing for real over the span of four-plus months where my body would almost certainly break down and take far more physical abuse than any human being should muster.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
Fair enough...
I mean if the stakes are minimal, then perhaps it is unreasonable to expect the effort will rise above anything other than….well, so-so at best.
Yet the coaches seem to think otherwise in their expectation of playing the starters for this latter game.
FWIW< I’ve never thought of the players as machines, etc. When it comes down to it they are every bit as human as everybody else. ANd in my athletic endeavors and competitions, I know my mental state is hardly 100% the same or consistent race by race. I don’t think that NFL’ers are any different….some games/days, they are probably more up for it and others, well, others their minds may not be wholly in it.
You have the benefit of having that experience,
the exposure to the athletic mindset. Not everybody does, but of course, it’s a very big part of what allows these guys to either play like Pro Bowlers or stink up the field.
I wasn’t calling you out to be one of those people who “think of them as machines,” mind you, as I know that you compete yourself. I think it’s a very good point you make in your FWIW that many people don’t quite realize.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
Good points
But they seemed to move the ball well on the first drive and just stalled at the 10 yard line. We threw three straight passes and no running plays when we got close whereas we normally would rush at least one, if not two of those plays. That seemed to me that we tried that series and played well. After that we struggled which means the starters may have started playing with less effort.
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Playing devil's advocate OK....!
but it isn’t as if our 1st team guys (most, not all) have been world beaters or are perennial all-pros that you know will come good. What’s the excuse then for them going through the motions, particularly when the head coach called them out?
I would like to agree with you Dave but I don't think I can
This team this preseason has reminded me of the team that played the last 3 weeks of the regular season last year. Lack of inspiration. Lack of concentration. Lack of preparation.
I know it is preseason, but you would expect certain things from professionals. Knowing the snap count, where to line-up, when to be on the field. Those are the things I expect. I don’t care about the score, but I do expect to guys to consistently win individual battles and to compete. I didn’t see a lot of that this preseason.
I don’t have CLS but I see teams like GB, NO, NE, and the like not making the same mistakes as the Phins this preseason. I see a sense of urgency in most teams. The Bills have played with it for their new coach.
The Phins aren’t the Colts. I don’t think they can simply “turn it on” whenever they want. I hope they can because if they don’t the Bills will surprise them in a week.
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I understand that viewpoint
but we won’t know for at least a week, and I’m just not willing to allow myself to succumb to negativity before the regular season even starts.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
I started to get nervous seeing the play of the starters
particulalry, that of the offensive line.
But you know what? Screw it. I have faith that these guys will put together a good year, regardless of how they have played so far in preseason.
I got tickets to go see them at the Bills week one. I’m going to stay upbeat and enthusiastic about it. Until proven otherwise, Miami is a good team.
and like they all say, they are tied with the rest of the league right now 0-0.
Bring on the real games!
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Im right there with you Mike! I have always taken a “glass half-full” approach with this team. Right or wrong who cares! …I truly believe that TOO much is being made of our Fins performance this preseason. I mean c’mon all you CLS-ers! Why would a team ever show any of their Offense or Defensive schemes during preseason??!!
This, as stated many times by just about every Football coach is that this is a “copy-cat” league! Once a team gets an inkling of how you play a certain way, the opponent the very next week will game plan like mad-men to beat you where you were successful the previous week!
Over the course of 16 games teams are bound to repeat and or be limited to what and who they have on their rosters.
So, now we are done with preseason! The games are now REAL! Our 53 guys WILL be ready in Buufffalo!!!
by Phintastic feeling on Sep 3, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore
I’ve really been impressed with Moore as a rookie WR. The guy has nice speed and quickness and runs some nice routes. The one that really stood out to me last night was on his short TD reception. The DB was playing an obvious inside -out technique denying Moore the middle, Moore made a beautiful juke move to bait the DB, then STILL beat him to the inside that was being denied. It was a subtle but impressive route maneuver that resulted in a TD. It’s exactly the type of thing that you just don’t see out of Patrick Turner. Small things sometimes make the difference in games and Moore seems to me to have some of the nuances of route-running down better than Turner, to me, he’s a lock to make this team.
by Biggest Dolphin Fan on Sep 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
I hope Moore does some special things for this team.
I’m also from Fresno so I would love to have a dude from my hometown tearing it up on my Favorite Team!!!
by westcoastdolphin on Sep 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no doubt in my mind Moore makes this team
the real battle is Wallace vs. Turner
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Woot preseason is over...
Now the real worrying and complaining can start…
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