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2010 Miami Dolphins Pre-Season Perspective II

Tonight marks the final round of the meaningless games.  I, for one, cannot wait until next week and games that really matter. 

But, as we all know, to include Tony Sparano, this Miami Dolphins team needs a lot of work.  The pieces are there, but they aren't working together yet.  Hopefully with getting some reps in tonight's game, the team will gel - and be ready for a trip to Buffalo in 10-days.

The bonus there?  Well, it's Buffalo.  Come on.  Apparently the Dolphins' schedule utilized the college football model - put the puff team at the beginning to gain confidence and make yourselves look better.  Hopefully the Bills aren't AppalachianState.

But, in getting ready for the season, it's time to spark debate.  At least, that's what ESPN's John Clayton did this week, publishing his ranking of all 32 starting quarterbacks in the league, breaking them into three divisions (Elite, Chad Pennington, and Hit or Miss).  Obviously, my focus is mostly on Chad Henne, but there's more to it than that.

Star-divide

Somehow, Clayton sees 14 quarterbacks as deserving of the "Elite" title.  How you can have nearly 50% of a population listed as "elite," I don't know, but he did.  His Elite Division includes the obvious with Peyton Manning (1st), Tom Brady (2nd), Drew Brees (3rd), Brett Favre (5th), and Aaron Rodgers (6th), but he also includes Matt Schaub (14th), Matt Ryan (13th), and Joe Flacco (12th) in his "Elite" class.  I don't see any of those three as elite.  Maybe solid with high potential, but not elite - but I cna'targue with their rankings in the high teens. 

But the guy I have the most difficulty justifying his rank is Ben Roethlisberger.  While, I agree Big Ben is a great quarterback in the league, and he has two Super Bowl rings, can you really say that Roethlisberger is the fourth best quarterback in the NFL?  Number 4?  Ahead of Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and Philip Rivers?  Yes, Roethlisberger can lead his team.  Yes, he does some great things.  But I don't see him as the 4thbest quarterback in the league.  In my opinion, he's on par with Tony Romo (8th), Carson Palmer (10th), and Eli Manning (11th) - but not a Top 5 QB.

Moving into the "Chad Pennington Division" (is that an insult or a compliment to CP10?), Clayton added a percent chance that the QB would become elite.  This division included guys such as Jay Cutler (15th - 95% chance of being elite), Vince Young (18th - 10%), and Matt Cassel (22nd - 0%).

And then comes the "Hit or Miss Division" - and no Chad Henne before this.  Interesting.  I guess I can see Henne as "hit or miss" still, but not in the Top 22 QBs in the league?  That puts Cassel, Alex Smith (21st - 0%), and David Garrard (20th - 0%) ahead of him.  Henne has to be ahead of those guys, right? 

But, it seems like age played a huge factor in Clayton's rankings. 

At 23rd, Clayton ranks Mark Sanchez, with a 50% chance of being elite.  Discussing Sanchez, Clayton states:

"The additions of Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes at wide receiver and LaDainian Tomlinson catching passes out of the backfield should allow Sanchez to be a 60 percent thrower. Another ally will be the motion packages offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer can install now that Sanchez has a year of experience in the offense. "

I can see that.  As much as I hate the Jets, Sanchez has some upside.  I, personally, don't think he will succeed - but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

At #24, we find Kevin Kolb- a guy who has seen action in 12 NFL games.  A guy who has 79 completions on 130 attempts for 885 yards, along with 4 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. 

Meanwhile, at #25, we finally find Chad Henne.  With experience in 17 NFL games, Henne has gone 281 for 463, 2,945 yards, 12 touchdowns and14 interceptions.  While his QB rating is below that of Kolb (75.2 to Kolb's 88.9), the season of experience as a starter, and the huge difference in passing yards should mean Henne gets the nod ahead of a guy who has two starts to his name - right?

Plus, are you seriously telling me that there are only 7 quarterbacks in the league who are worse than Chad Henne?

Kolb also got a 50% chance to become Elite.  Chad Henne, only a 45% chance.  So, it is more likely that Sanchez and Kolb each become an elite QB over Henne.

And that's not even the elite odds that drive me crazy.  It's the 30th ranked QB, with an 85% chance to be Elite.  How does Sam Bradford have an 85% chance to be elite, with not only his shoulder history but the fact that he is playing for the RAMS! THE RAMS!  Come on.  85% for him, but only 45% for Henne?

But, back to Henne, here's Clayton's write up:

"Henne has a strong arm and a flair for fourth-quarter comebacks, giving him a chance to be a top-level quarterback. It did seem as though defenses figured him out in the second half of the season, but Henne is smart enough to adjust. Plus, he now has Brandon Marshall as his main target. "

Well, that's my rant for this week.  Once we get back to real football games, my Perspectives will once again focus on "on-the-field" things. 

Targets of Opportunity

  • That #99 guy on the Jets is just wrong.  WRONG!  I watched the Redskins/Jets game last night on NFL Network.  Hard to not watch him, but so very wrong for him to be in green. 
  • Colin Cowherd and Trey Wingo both are picking the Dolphins to win the AFC East this year.  I like it.
  • In why he picked the Dolphins, Wingo pointed out that no one really knows how to stop the Wildcat yet.  He also pointed out that many teams are trying to add wrinkles and make it a flashy part of their offense, but the Dolphins, who he stressed run it the best, especially with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown in the lineup, just run the ball down your throat out of it. 
  • Does anyone remember we signed Karlos Dansby?  It seems like he is the forgotten addition to this team.  I love what I see from him, thus far.  Suddenly, we have a LB who seems like he can cover a tight end.  It seems like he is in on every single play.  He's easily the best LB we have had since #54 became #55 in Dallas. 
  • The USA Today is reporting the Jeff Ireland plans to seek out Dez Bryant today to apologize again, this time face-to-face, for his questioning during the Draft Combine.  Seems like a classy step.
  • Somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 Dolpohins stayed for a couple of hours after practice no Tuesday, looking to find something missing from the team.  Chemistry?  Working on a specific play?  Timing?  No.  Apparently, Kendall Langford forgot to take out his 2.5-carat diamond earrings before practice - losing one at some point during the day.  So, Langford and a bunch of teammates stayed after practice, combing the two practice fields searching for the earring.  Eventually they were forced to give up the search due to a team meeting and the grass being cut.

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That quarterback ranking deal is bogus though. I’ll take Rivers over Roethlisberger any day, and I’d take Henne somewhere around 10th maybe. Sam Bradford having an 85% chance of being elite without an offensive line or any weapons? I wonder what they’d say if he had an awesome O-line, an awesome running game, and an awesome WR in Marshall. 20%?

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by Dolphinole on Sep 2, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Roethlisberger may be a rapist but he is the definition of a playmaker

I agree that he is the 4th best QB in the league
All he really does is make plays and you cant argue with 2 superbowl rings

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by Gamer2102 on Sep 2, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahead of Aaron Rodgers?

Are you freaking kidding me? There is no way that I take him before Aaron Rodgers. It isn’t even a close call. You are just beginning to see the talent of Aaron Rodgers, Rapelisberger isn’t going to suddenly start learning new tricks. The guy is the best I have seen at throwing after contact but he was also a product of an extremely good defense and running game when he won his two Superbowls. I would honestly rate Big Ben around the 7 or 8 spot. We see that he really struggles with a shakey OL (something Rodgers has never not been subjected to) .

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 2, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

That’s how everybody seems to rank quarterbacks.. by Super Bowl wins. And look at the compraison; 2:0.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 2, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can very much argue with 2 super bowl rings.

when Trent Dilfer has one.

Being a championship QB doesn’t necessarily make you a great one—look at how many great QBs never won one (ahem).

Look at replacement value—on either of those super bowl winning teams any number of QBs could have stepped in and brought home the win (lets not forget the god-awful stats from his first win)

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by Brooklynfinfan on Sep 2, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I don't read Calyton

I think he hates the phins. Probably because he wrong 90% of the time.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.

by 54 on Sep 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

spot on predictions. he's really good LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bknro0X8QA

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.

by 54 on Sep 2, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although people don't quite realize it

Roethlisberger is one of the best QBs in the league. Aside from his legal mishaps, one could fairly easily argue if he sustains production he’ll have a chance at Canton. I’d say he isn’t quite as marketable as Manning, or flamboyant as Brady, so he’s often overlooked.

by Farorefox on Sep 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's a great qb, no doubt

He’s really clutch, I think that’s his claim to fame. It’s the same reason a lot of people would take Brady over Manning – Manning is undoubtedly the better pure QB, but Brady is a better winner when it counts, which obviously is the postseason. Roethlisberger is the same way – he won his second Superbowl in what, his 5th year in the league?

Roethlisberger is top 10 in my opinion, but I don’t think he’s better than Rivers or Aaron Rodgers, hell even Favre (at least judging by Favre’s 2009 season.) But I can respect it if people think that, because rings DO count for something.

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by Dolphinole on Sep 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen Fins

For years I had to watch you dig out holes (with Cam it was almost our grave) dug at the beginning of the year. You have a good team to finally go 1-0 to start off on the right foot.

DON"T BLOW THIS FOR US!

If you go up there and pull what you did against ATL the other week, I will be waiting for you at the ariport to personally sh*t kick everyone of you as you step off the plane.

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by Neo on Sep 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Was looking for something else and stumbled on to this....

I like it….

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

777

Jackpot

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by Neo on Sep 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats Mike Hart too

loved that guy

Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Sep 2, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he still with Indy?

I thought he would have been a little better in that offense.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

never really got a chance. that guy was a maurice jones drew bowling ball type runner

Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Sep 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the FP Matty!

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by Mosul_DolFan on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I laughed when I saw the Bradford lovefest

He already had questionable arm strength before the shoulder surgeries. That Ram’s pick was so poorly thought out its kinda sad in a way. There is no way he can live up to the kind of money he is making.

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 2, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I will personally wait 3 years before judging a QB

Especially when the supporting cast is as bad as Sam has in STL. He did look good against the Pats.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 2, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd as usual

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by Weecho85 on Sep 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Appalachian State... Awesome!

September 1, 2007. Greatest College Football upset ever!

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by The Earl on Sep 2, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hate looking into numbers.

I judge from what I see and what I see is, Henne having much more potential then these other QB’s rank in front of him. The thing with these writers is that they dont take the time to actually look at film and judge on that. They just look at numbers.

Anyone with common sense and isnt blind, would definately see Henne getting better in the near future. The guy has poise, and is not affected by a bad performance. AKA The Robot. I saw times last year where he would go on streaks and just was on the money with his throws. Times where he threw the ball in tiny windows. Times where he led a comeback. That alone should put him over these other guys.

What I saw in Sanchez and these other guys? Poor consistancy!

I can’t wait until the season start so finally silence all these dumbasses. Geez.

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Sep 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I read this and have no idea what Clayton was smoking.

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by BSerious72 on Sep 2, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I kind of agree with the list.

Henne has had a couple of moments as a starter that were really good. But I don’t think he is an “elite” QB yet or even a top 20 QB yet. He still has a lot to learn.

He has the tools to become a top 12 QB in the league IMO. But he also has an anchor that he has to overcome. That anchor is the Parcells / Ireland / Sparano offensive philosophy. I don’t know if they will ever take the reigns off Henne and just let him run. The offensive philosophy as much as anything else could keep Henne from becoming “elite”.

Well done Mosul. Rec’d

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by ct1361 on Sep 2, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

interesting points

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I don't even think that Henne

needs to become elite in this league. I don’t truly believe Henne has better than a 45% chance to become a Brady-esque football hero, but he could be very well turn into a top 5 or (more likely) top 10 in his prime.

It’s a production issue, it’s a system issue; we’ll probably always be a running team so long as the guys up top are still here. Henne will get his stats, but not enough so to warrant being considered in Tom’s level.

But again, he doesn’t need to be. He could just as easily win (a) Super Bowl(s) as the 10th ranked QB year after year.

So essentially, I fully agree with you.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 2, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's been a while since we have agreed Dave! =)

Let’s see if I can get back to normal. lol

I do wish that this FO and Coaching Staff weren’t so focused on the running game. I really believe that is an anchor on this offense, especially since the Phins don’t have a game breaking, chunk yardage RB. The passing game should be used to set up the running game, not vice versa.

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by ct1361 on Sep 2, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's do better than Clayton, then

My QB list would be:

Elite:

1) P. Manning
2) D. Brees
3) A. Rodgers. I believe he has passed Brady in the past couple of seasons.

4) T. Brady. Last year was a down year, and there have been too many rumblings this year to have him a lock at two anymore

5) M. Shaub. Has been putting crazy numbers up the past few years, and finally got the Texans over the 8-8 hump last year. I expect big things this year.

6) P. Rivers. Has shown his ability to take over games, late. Has lost talent around him, dropping him below Shaub, and Brady.

7) B. Favre. was going to be in the level below, because I don’t believe he will do nearly as well this year, but I can’t ignore what he did last year.

8) T. Romo. Has to prove that he can be more consistent.

9) B.Roethlisburger. Good QB, though decision making at question, on, and off the field.

Chad Pennington:

10) E.Manning. Left on his feet, is quite dangerous. Doesn’t have the line to stay on his feet anymore.

11) J. Flacco. I rate the next three as almost indistinguishable, but Flacco gets the edge, because of his success in the playoffs

12) C. Henne. Started to turn it on last year, but has to make better decisions, to change that abysmal TD/INT ratio.

13) M. Ryan. Matty Ice has done well here in ATL, but I am looking for him to take the next step soon. Can the two above him keep up?

14) C.Palmer. Would have put him above the prior three, but I feel he has been on a steady decline the past few seasons. Maybe TO changes that, maybe TO takes 85 off his game. We will see

15) A.Smith. Started out shakey, but has turned it around, and has a deadly receiving corps, to go along with that bruiser behind him.

16) K.Orton. For all he was lambasted in CHI town, the guy won games. He is the quintessential example of this group.

17) J.Cutler. Talented player, who can’t seem to get his head right. Makes stupid decisions that lead to TO’s. In a system where he will be POUNDED into the dirt. may not last half the season.

18) V.Young. Had a shaky start, but showed what he can do last season, and has been balls out this summer.

19) M.Stafford. Has the tools, has the weapons. DO SOMETHING with them.

20) K.Kolb. Would be ranked higher if he had ever PLAYED.lol. Two games don’t tell the whole story. Show me what you got, kid

21) J.Campbell. Got a raw deal in Washington, fell into a situation with better talent around him.

22) D.McNabb. Couldn’t get it done with better talent, how will he do it with less?

Hit or Miss:

23) M.Sanchez. Call me a homer, but he hasn’t shown me anything.

24) S.Bradford. Won’t put a rookie on the worst team in the league higher, until I see something.

25) J.Freeman. I actually like this guy, and think he will do well. I just can’t move him up until I see it.

26) D.Garrard. Better than his receiving corps let him be. Gotta have more than MSW, and MJD to pass to.

27) M.Cassel. Given a lot of praise by a last place team. Show me you belong in the NFL

28) M.Hasselbeck. His last season as a Starter, if he doesn’t turn it around

29) M.Moore. Here’s your shot, kid. Got a first rounder behind you, looking for your job

30) D.Anderson. AKA Not Matt Leinart. Skelton will start next year

31) T.Edwards. Got benched last year

32) J.Delhomme. He did too.

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by Tree2691 on Sep 2, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with where Eli is.

he isn’t top 8, AKA top 25%.

Rivers could go down if his other WRs don’t step up

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by PotM on Sep 4, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we are looking at the rankings wrong.

I think the numbers aren’t true rankings. If you look at the guys in the Pennington ranking all of them are either past their prime or not a game changing, sexy quarterback. That is other than Cutler. To me Cutler should be in the hit or miss. This section is for guys that could jump past the Pennington and become elite or flop and become busts. What I would, and am pissed about is having Sanchez above Henne in chance of elite status.

by redteg02 on Sep 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

henne definitely has what it takes but he needs to prove it in a season like the upcoming one. that's simply realism in a

comparative analysis like this or these. the nfl website today has us playing the most difficult schedule this year, something we’ve talked about already. chad will have some good seasoning.
just managed to watch the replay of pre-season 3 w/ hawks and while i take it that we “stunk,” it didn’t seem quite as unpromising as i was prepared for.

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by a1a on Sep 2, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this the same article I read where Clayton argued that

Henne’s detractors bring up his inexperience and youth when stating that he’s a big question mark this season?

What the hell is wrong with people? Is Mark Sanchez not years younger and far less experienced on a football level as a whole (not to mention a whole year’s worth of NFL seasons)? Are media not smoking his pole? I do not understand how Henne is too young and unseasoned, and this makes the Dolphins too big an “if” to pick to win the division.. yet Sanchez is just right and looking poised to lead the Yets to a SB berth.

Am I the only one who’s seen Mark’s awful decisions this preseason?

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

ganja smoke gets in their eyes

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember that the Pets play in the #1 TV market

The Pets, and the Patsies will always get better hype than the Phins, until the Phins start dominating. If you want to really get pissed, check out Pat Kirwan’s “Surprising” list of teams that will contend fir the next decade, on the NFL website.

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by Tree2691 on Sep 2, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

You saying that this list exists alone makes me angry, regardless of the fact that I haven’t checked it out.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 2, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave, It is a silly list...

regardless of whether you are dolfan or not. Clayton has this daft “criteria” for so-called Elite QB’s.

by Natalya on Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to do a QB list...

practically speaking I think it is best to just have groups rather than have individual rankings.

I mean essentially guys like Stafford, Freeman, Henne, Sanchez, etc are really all in the same group….iow, young guys who have potential but who are very early in their careers. It Although we all have our opinions, it is silly to say one guy or another is conclusively better based on not even 16 games worth of experience. Clayton should know better.

Then there are just a large group of QB’s that you’d say are mid-tier….serviceable QB’s that can play competently, even brilliantly for short stretches, but will never be able to carry a team…Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, Hasselback

by Natalya on Sep 3, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Buffalo game is not in the bag

After watching some of our issues this preseason, I’m concerned about going to Buffalo and laying an egg. Remember, they beat us the 2nd time around last year. Spiller appears to be the real deal, and our line is not creating holes right now — and Buffalo’s lone defensive strength is their secondary, so it might come down to Henne airing it out and our defense containing Spiller and company. I certainly think we should win this game, but I also could see us losing it in the 4th quarter

by rintintinsoldier on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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In reallity, we should have won 2-3 SuperBowls Late 80's early 90's
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Some clarity on Peyton's injury
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TE....Problem Solved???
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"Peyton, Peyton, Peyton!"
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Is there a reason Don Strock is not being considered for head coach
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Ricky Ran Ricky Ran
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Football Withdrawal

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