For Better or Worse, the Season's Coming!
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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Back before the start of Dolphins Training Camp (has it only been a month?), we looked at the team's upside potential; at how the new players most likely will contribute and who would end up as the starters at each position (given what we knew at the time); and some things that could go wrong and end up throwing a monkey wrench into the team's plans.
With camp in the rear view mirror, and only twelve days left until the season opener, I thought it would be interesting to recap that topic and see how many things have gone right - and how many things have gone wrong.
Listed below are the proposed "Upside (best case scenario)" starting lineups from the "Upside, Downside, Most likely" stories, for both Offense (part 1) and Defense (part 2), along with summaries of the "Most Likely", and the biggest potential issues/concerns/question marks heading into preseason.
I must say in advance that, after watching the last game against the Falcons, I was feeling a touch of "Chicken Little Syndrome" (CLS) myself. But after looking at where we were a little over one month ago, and where we are now, I'm feeling better.
What do you think? Are the Fins looking better, or worse, than you hoped they would be rolling into the season opener?
OFFENSE
Projected Upside Lineup:
O-Line – (LT) Jake Long, (LG) John Jerry, (C) Jake Grove, (RG) Richie Incognito, (RT) Vernon Carey
QB – Chad Henne, RB – Ronnie Brown, FB – Lousaka Polite, TE – Anthony Fasano, WR1 – Brandon Marshall, WR2 – Julius Pruitt
"...it doesn’t have to be Pruitt, but as the #2 wide receiver, it would ideally be someone who can stretch the field. That means that, right off the bat, Camarillo and Bess are out. They are more reasonably #3 type slot receivers anyhow. So if we are hoping that a developmental guy will step up as a speed guy, Pruitt has the best combination of size and speed. He is 6’2", 206 lbs, with 4.42 speed. Of course Roberto Wallace has better size at 6’4", 223 lbs, but reports of his speed come in around the 4.53 range. And Ryan Grice-Mullen, running a 4.44 40 is about as fast as Pruitt, but smaller."
Most Likely:
"The chances are slim that an actual undrafted or practice squad guy will step up and become a legitimate #2 speed WR. So we are probably looking at Hartline or Camarillo being the #2 WR, with Bess in the slot. Still, with Marshall as the #1 WR, this will create more opportunities in the passing game and the run game."
Potential issues:
- "Development of players is always unpredictable. John Jerry may not even get into the lineup this year. Or a #2 WR with speed might not emerge.
- A bigger concern than either of these two spots would be QB. If Henne does not develop over last season, or actually regresses, there is no guarantee that Pennington’s shoulder is going to be ready to go, or that Tyler Thigpen will prove a serviceable option.
- ...injured veterans not getting back to 100%. Ronnie Brown; Jake Grove; Patrick Cobbs; Greg Camarillo, all are still question marks coming into training camp. Of these, Grove and Brown are the two most important, and both have replacements that are adequate, but their talent would be missed. The bigger concern would be Brandon Marshall. While no one talks about it much lately, he IS coming off of hip surgery, and for him to have a setback would be devastating. With Marshall out, the offense could quite possibly regress from last season, depending on the status of other developing and recovering players."
Where are we now?
- Okay, seriously... did ANYONE see Marlon Moore coming??? Well, it looks like we may have found our WR with speed, and it ain't Pruitt. Now we will see if he can help out in the return game as well.
- Boy did we luck out by re-signing David Martin! We lost Joey Haynos, but I think we still managed to upgrade the position over last season.
- I also didn't see the prolonged position battle at Center, but since Jake Grove is actually healthy, this just means that we have TWO good players at the position.
- Brandon Marshall, Ronnie Brown, and Patrick Cobbs all seem 100% healthy.
- The O-Line is still a question mark. What was assumed to be a major strength of the team going into camp has turned out to be rather mediocre and appears to be struggling in the run game. Hopefully this will work itself out quickly after settling on the starting lineup. John Jerry is turning out to be a pleasant surprise.
- Henne looks good, but he is going to take some more time to gel with his new receivers. I expect him to round into form quickly, and am not seriously concerned about him regressing at this point.
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DEFENSE
Projected Upside Lineup:
DL - (DE) Jared Odrick, (NT) Randy Starks, (DE) Kendall Langford
LB - (OLB) Cameron Wake, (ILB) Channing Crowder, (ILB) Karlos Dansby, (OLB) Koa Misi
DB - (CB) Sean Smith, (SS) Yeremiah Bell, (CB) Vontae Davis, (FS) Chris Clemons
"... Tim Dobbins [could] come in and win the starting spot next to Dansby; you could have another rookie in Reshad Jones come in and light up camp and start at FS; you could have the coaches decide that Odrick needs to be eased in to the role, and start Marques Douglas instead…the only truly established positions are Starks at NT, Langford at one DE spot, and Dansby at ILB."
Most Likely:
"Crowder and Dansby will play most of the season at ILB. Dobbins will get some reps. Edds will only play in garbage time, or if Crowder and/or Dobbins get injured.
Both OLB spots are in question, but I think Wake will be okay. ...we will just need to rotate guys at both OLB positions, and I think Nolan can do that effectively between Wake, Misi, Moses, Anderson, and maybe Walden or McCoy.
Starks will excel at NT. ...he will be above average and solid at least. And Nolan will also probably give Soliai some opportunity to improve.
The D-Line is solid, even without Odrick. Just starting Langford, Starks, and Douglas in a 3 man front does not look bad. And you have Soliai, Ryan Baker, Lionel Dotson, and Tony McDaniel who can rotate in at either DT or DE. Odrick will play...
Potential issues:
- Randy Starks doesn’t work at NT. The risk is not just that Starks will be inadequate at NT; it is also that by moving him we degrade the DE position.
- Our young CBs run into a sophomore slump. We are counting on Smith and Davis to take a step forward, because they were good for rookies last year, but NOT quite good enough to be a starting CB tandem in the AFC East this season, without improvement.
Where are we now?
- The rookies look good! Not great... but good. When you think about how often a rookie, even a high round pick, doesn't get in the field immediately, it just highlights the fact that these kids are really doing well just to be in the starting lineup 12 days before the first regular season game. And the fact that Ikaika Alama-Francis is pushing Misi means more about how well Ike is playing than how poorly Misi is playing.
- Charles Grant looks like a keeper! Randy Starks is playing at a high level and should just get better with experience at the position. And who left a wake up call for Paul Soliai? The D-Line, that had so many questions entering camp, is now looking like a core strength of the team.
- What's up with Crowder? Well, who cares? Looks like Tim Dobbins is filling in just fine, so Crowder may be losing his starting job even if he gets healthy and gets back right away. And with A.J. Edds going on I/R, Micah Johnson has come out of nowhere to look like he might be a great rookie Free Agent find.
- But the Secondary is still looking like a concern. Vontae Davis looks like he is ready to take the next step in improving over last season, but Sean Smith just doesn't seem to be making that same progression. It is still early, but let's hope the light bulb come on soon for this kid. The Fins really don't have anyone else on the depth chart with his level of talent, and with Will Allen STILL out from what was purported to be a "minor" procedure, the Dolphins are thin at CB. Luckily they got Benny Sapp in the trade with the Minnesota Vikings for Camarillo, but Sapp is a marginal starter at best, and the preference would be to keep him at the nickle position. If Will Allen gets back, things should be okay, but that is starting to look like a BIG IF.
- Clemons looks okay. A few rookie mistakes but considering how little playing time he got last season, it's understandable. If he continues to improve he will be serviceable back there at Free Safety, at the very least.
Overall, this team needs experience! But they actually appear to have even MORE talent at more positions than *I* expected in July when we first looked at how we hoped to see the team shape up. They aren't bad now... the have actually flashed excellence at times. And with the starting positions pretty well settled, I expect to see this team continue to make substantial improvement over the first part of the regular season as the players get more "in sync" and the coaches can start to open up the playbook a bit more.
So what do YOU think? Do you feel pretty good about your Dolphins rolling into the Buffalo game opener, or are you still feeling a little "CLS" hanging over your head?
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Lil CLS LCFF
I do think we beat last year’s win/loss record and I feel the FO has a couple of more roster moves when teams start cutting away. Can’t help but think, “what if Miami would of kept JT and Goodman?.” Anyway great post and reflection and here’s to hoping.
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I see "greatness" in this team, they just need to show "consistency".....
I remember last year when we were whooping the Saints, our team looked like it was running on all 22 cylinders. Then once we lost that game, it seemed that we lost the sync in team.
I see the same flashes of excellence and a really good team but if they can show consistency, then we will be set. I don’t think it’ll be easy for the first 4 to 5 games, but if the sync jams in during those games we might be happy come week 10.
I was pissed at Dan Henning more than anyone last week against the Falcons but since there wasn’t any game planning I give them a pass until the season starts. I feel like the game planning tends to play towards too many factors (playing down to teams and up to teams) rather than going out and executing the way we know how to and making teams have to play at our level….which is balls out!
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Sep 1, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's JT?
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Ah... Turn-coat Taylor...
(Psst: I knew that…)
lol
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he should have used the sarcasm box
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Im excited
But I am Every year. I wish Marshall would stop dropping the ball. That drop against the falcons was a fumble i don’t know what the refs we’re looking at. I think the defense will be alot better. Nolan is not going to show his poker hand in the preseason. Ok don’t kill me for this but for some reason, and i have Nothing to back this up, I have high hopes for Pat White. Why is everyone so concerned about the #3 qb spot. How often does a #3 qb play? Never. For that reason we should keep White if steps up he could be a big X factor. I dont like him running draws up the middle, but spread the offense and have him roll out for short throws or run the ball. But what do I know.
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
Henne please don't be good be Great
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He might be the missing piece for the Vikings though...
I’m sure Favre will like having him around…..I’ll be cheering for him except for week 2
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps Miami scrapes out a win in Buffalo in some kinda ugly Pre-Season #5 game
but that alone will make this team better, especially the offensive line which like some steels get tougher the more their pounded on. The Dolphin Brand of football is pounding the ball and playing together as tight nit team. That takes 4 quarters of dedication, I believe we the fans will start seeing this Band of Miami football come Reg Season.
LOL!!!
Buffalo is officially our 5th Pre-Season game! ;^)
I love it!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
Never rule a rival division team as a gimme. The Patriots nearly learned that lesson on opening night last season.
it's funny tho!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
As well as we learned against Buffalo
Didn’t they kick our asses pretty handily in the second game?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait... we play them twice?
... that's two wins...
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Yeah we thought that last year as well
That’s what we get for thinking.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
there ya go
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i was talking to my friend last night, a U MICH Alum and I said how lucky we were...
to have Jake Long and then I went on to say that I have 2 problems with the Dolphins right now:
Brian Hartline
Channing Crowder
Do you guys realize that Brian Hartline wasn’t even an elite WR in college? He had 0 catches in his last game as a college athlete and he had 90 catches TOTAL IN HIS CAREER AT OSU (21 in his last year). And college football is a joke. I think that Brian Hartline has seen about as many double teams as McLovin. I cannot stand him and I am seriously distraught that we had to “settle” on this guy going into 2010. Why couldn’t we get a better #2 WR? Why couldn’t we draft Dez Bryant? Why couldn’t we draft Golden Tate? Do you guys really see the huge dividends on taking Jared Odrick over Dez Bryant? Seriously? Dez Bryant is a feeak athlete, do you realize that if we took him in round 1 we would have one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL, not even the AFC, the NFL.
Now i know you guys are going to respond OH WHAT UPSIDE HE HAS. What upside? Seriously, what upside? The games he performed in last year we were down by 21 points and he was catching, let me call them CONVIENENT PASSES that made him look better than he actually is.
The other problem Dolphin player was Channing Crowder but I don’t even think we will have to deal with him much this year whereas Hartline I can see myself dealing with a lot since Brandon Marshall is going to have two guys on him and now we have to throw to Brian Hartline on the other side of the field.
Sickening.
Yeah, I just ranted but I just got to work and I needed to stir up some controversey before I started my day with an iced coffee. Moral of the story:
Briant Hartline v. Dez Bryant
Jared Odrick v. I am pretty sure we could have found someone else capable (and I am not ripping on Odrick because I have not seen what he can do yet).
Let the fighting begin.
wow- opted for the double-double expresso moggo gotte' sumthin or other...lol Dez has yet to play
There are lots of Freak athletes out there, but this team doesn’t really need those type recievers to opperate effeciently. Yes, I would love to have one too but look around most team are tryin to find the next Wes Welker.
As far as Crowder, I myself am on the fence with. but i do think he will get better as the year goes on working with and in the “new” 3-4…. thats all I got to early no coffee….
I think that
Dez Bryant has proved he’s going to be an elite WR in the NFL. I just don’t see the reasoning behind Jared Odrick over Dez Bryant when large D-linemen can be found in any number of places whereas NFL WR Talent is slim pickens.
Like i said its not that I dislike Odrick at all, I just think Brian Hartline is a CLE Browns WR.
Dez Bryant has proven he's going to be an elite WR?
Is that the same Dez Bryant who has yet to play a single PRESEASON game, let alone regular season? I have nothing against Dez but I think that’s an unfair assumption
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
Nope
I wouldn’t. Considering we haven’t seen any significant playing time from Odrick yet and zero playing time from Dez, the only thing you can really go by is scouting reports. And by all accounts, I think the front office did their research and liked Odrick more than Bryant. Since they’re also really high on Hartline, I’m gonna have to say that I’d much rather have Odrick and Hartline than Dez. That could change for all I know after a year or so, but as of now: no.
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
He's pretty much won the starting RE job
aka "The Duke"
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He started camp in the starting lineup
And he’s held onto it since then. Even after guys like Grant and Douglas have made a push. Those guys didn’t do enough (so far) to knock him out of the starting lineup. I personally think they’ll run a rotation until he gets used to playing the 5 technique. But so far, he’s been the most solid rookie.
aka "The Duke"
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Grant should start over Odrick
And without a deep threat rcvr, Henne’s strong arm is a waste and relying on his short touch passes makes me cringe. I do feel that Bryant should of been our 1st pick, especially after letting Ginn go.
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by fin4three5yrs on Sep 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that sounds good
I’m gonna throw 4 40times at you, you tell me which one is Bryants
4.57
4.52
4.49
4.64
Take a minute… Here’s the results
Brandon Marshall – 4.57
Dez Bryant – 4.52
Brian Hartline – 4.49 (pro day)
Davone Bess – 4.64
Bryant would just be “more of the same” on our WR corps. He is nothing like Ginn as far as speed goes
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i wanna play
4.51
take a minute…
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Polamalu?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
=)
marlon moore
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
so Brian Hartline is our deep threat?
DRoyce won’t be happy….
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
…. just sayin’
;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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Not quite
Though his 40 may blend in with the others, Bryant is a deep threat and wouldve been one hell of a #2 option next to Marshall. I’m not saying he is a fast as Ginn but he damn sure aint more of the same with what we currently have. You see Bryant has deceptive speed. He is able to create down field separation and most of all he uses his 6’2" frame to box out defenders. So even if he’s draped he’s still coming down with the ball. His long speed, and explosiveness is what allowed him to be successful as a punt returner in college.
So like lefty pointed out Marlon Moore is also deceptive with his speed. It might not show on the stopwatch but it will on the field
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by Deuce Black on Sep 1, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the biggest concerns about Bryant going into the draft was his deep speed
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Driving the Roberto Wallace Bandwagon
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Not so much
The biggest concerns about Bryant was about Bryant himself
If it wasn’t for all that off the field nonsense Bryant is taken a lot higher, because no one could deny his talent.
Michael Crabtree had questions about his speed and he ended up not even running a 40 yet he is still taken in the top 10
"And who are you to tell me how to conduct myself? Why don't you practice safe sex and go f@#! yourself." -Loso
"Randy Moss is still victimizing teams that passed on him in 98', and Dez Bryant will do the same." -Deuce Black
"2010 is Year of the Ginn" -Deuce Black
"Marlon needs Moore playing time" -Deuce Black
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by Deuce Black on Sep 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See my comment below...
I watched the nfl.com video of Bryant’s pro day. Mike Mayock said Bryant’s 10 yard split, his broad jump, and his vertical indicated that he should have ran a 4.40 or a 4.42. He ran a 4.52, which led Mayock to question his concerns deep speed.
But here are some others:
Not very fast. Lacks deep speed.
Lacks elite speed or a breakaway gear
The injury kept him from proving his speed at combine, something of a question by scouts as he is not regarded as particularly fast.
These were just a few of the scouting reports I read about Bryant before the draft. He was known for his physicality and open field ability, not deep speed. His expertise was getting YAC. There were questions about whether he could eat up the cushion CBs would give him and whether or not he’d learn the pro route tree fast enough coming from a spread offense.
Bryant is a play making WR, but he isn’t a deep threat. And we have Marshall as our play making WR.
aka "The Duke"
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ok
I never said Bryant was known specifically for his deep speed.
My point is Bryant plays faster than he times. As far as being a deep threat is concerned he can make deep plays on his frame alone. Bryant is 6’2" 225 and has a 40 inch vertical, he is able to out leap and box out defenders for the ball. As far as the route tree is concerned I don’t think that’s been an issue for him so far in camp and anyway scouts said the same things about Fitzgeralds speed but hey we’ll see the regular season is a week away
"And who are you to tell me how to conduct myself? Why don't you practice safe sex and go f@#! yourself." -Loso
"Randy Moss is still victimizing teams that passed on him in 98', and Dez Bryant will do the same." -Deuce Black
"2010 is Year of the Ginn" -Deuce Black
"Marlon needs Moore playing time" -Deuce Black
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by Deuce Black on Sep 1, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we can just agree to
…. let it go…..
???
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And lets look at how that is turning out
Attitude of having to carry pads for his teammates…now I am sure that no other player has ever had to do that in the history of preseason football so someone must be targeting Dez.
Or wait, could it be that he is such an egomaniac that he felt he should be the only rookie not required to do that.
Sorry, but 1+1 = 2 to me. And 2 means no thanks, as appealing as it sounds to be able to party like a rock star every night, I don’t want the hang over in the morning.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he's not going to play tomorrow (or so its being reported)
aka "The Duke"
Proponent of I-AA Football
Driving the Roberto Wallace Bandwagon
Unofficial Phinsider DJ
So I am sure that the Cowboys are extremely pleased
They have to love the looks he has given that at how is going to perform in an actual game situation.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he would have a been a deep threat
Sitting his broke ass on the bench all preseason!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
DB, you got my point...
about MM’s speed…. nice.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
"And who are you to tell me how to conduct myself? Why don't you practice safe sex and go f@#! yourself." -Loso
"Randy Moss is still victimizing teams that passed on him in 98', and Dez Bryant will do the same." -Deuce Black
"2010 is Year of the Ginn" -Deuce Black
"Marlon needs Moore playing time" -Deuce Black
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by Deuce Black on Sep 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
well, it was:
1) somewhat unusual, and
2) missed by everyone else (seemingly)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Well they say great minds think alike
So I’m guessing that’s what occured here
"And who are you to tell me how to conduct myself? Why don't you practice safe sex and go f@#! yourself." -Loso
"Randy Moss is still victimizing teams that passed on him in 98', and Dez Bryant will do the same." -Deuce Black
"2010 is Year of the Ginn" -Deuce Black
"Marlon needs Moore playing time" -Deuce Black
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by Deuce Black on Sep 1, 2010 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but... but.... we have MOORE!!!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a little of both
He’s been “silent” in games so far, failing to record a sack or tackle or even an assist. As I’m sure you know though, the 3-4 DE isn’t necessarily supposed to have his name called much. He gets double-teamed occasionally and seems to shed his blocks pretty well, so I’d say he’s coming along.
"Every island has a beach and mine there will be called Beast Beach."
both Hartline and Odrick will be fine
and the good news is that we actually have reasonable depth at both positions.
As for the Dez Bryant stuff, we got Marshall and that is good enough for me, for this year.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Hartline...
He plays with swagger
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me too
i think he will be fine when the season starts. I think the passing game has yet to find it’s rhythm.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The debate on Bryant vs. odrick is stupid since Bryant went before Odrick
trading down from the 12th pick was the right move since we recouped a 2nd round pick that we lost in the Marshall trade. I’m not sold on the Misi pick and it looks like we could have used Kyle Wilson more than Odrick this year but it still was the right call in trading back
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Now here's some good logic!
And btw, I see no issues in using Misi and Ike all game long.
I’m on the side of true love…and a good running game.
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I agree
I don’t understand why we are even debating it other than DRoyce has Hartline as his offensive guy that he loves to hate (replacing Ginn) and it has sparked this discussion again.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some subjects are best ignored.
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"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
(slowly walks in wearing a #6 jersey)
(looks around……walks out)
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wow
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL... Little Heater
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A DE in a 3-4 isn't going to be a beast
It’s the OLB that gets the “Beast” stats.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
That’s a joke right? Right? Oh you were serious?
I mean really, what has Bryant proved at this point in his PROFESSIONAL career? He has proved he is a punk and won’t carry another players pads (when EVERY player does that) He proves that he brings some sort of drama. He proves he can be injured. He…….He…..He……
Umm….has he played a REAL NFL game yet?
Pardon me, but I have to challenge your comment DRoyce, Bryant hasn’t proven anything in my opinion.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
LOLOLOL!
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
really? this now?
season is about to finally start…who cares about what “could have been” Heck there are what ifs in everyday decisions…what if you had real coffee instead of iced coffee this morning?
by allstarphinfan on Sep 1, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hatter^^^^
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 1, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he sounds a little ticked off.... more like a mad hatter to me
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on previous comments from him
He sounds like a Wolverines fan, which would cause him to hate anything to do with Ohio State.
a "mad" wolverines fan
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Brian Hartline
Based on how much distaste you have for Hartline and OSU in general, I am guessing you’re a Wolverine fan. So what if Hartline didn’t put up 1,500 yards in a season in college? He did show promise last year and it was enough for the coaching staff to give him the #2 spot.
Guess who also finished with an average-at-best college career? Mark Clayton. That’s right, the WR who has the best Dolphin numbers finished college with a total of 1,100 yards receiving. But being that he’s not from OSU, I’m guessing it’s ok.
Hey just remember
DRoyce made a post earlier in the offseason that he always picks two players to beat up.
He stated back then that his choices were Hartline and Crowder this year now that Ginn and Wilson were gone. At least he is consistant and true to his word.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand the Crowder beef but certainly not the Hartline one
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I can to a degree too
Crowder definitely disappointed last year after a relatively strong year in 2008.
But I don’t get the resentment at Hartine….but hey, we are all entitled to our opinions. I will just reserve my judgement until at least 2 games into the year before I start picking targets. Last year Gerbil was really my only complaint, followed by offensive nature of our play calling and our swiss cheese defense as a whole.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
really? lets get dez bryant! ugh
cmon man you gotta fill needs not just be al davis and pick the fun picks. hartline played well. Huge touchdown against the pats last year (i was there)
even stretched the field surprisingly well. this guy is a player watch your gonn abe eaten those words soon
trust.
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I think the Fins are going to be just fine this year...
I think we have the offense to keep up with high powered teams that we are going to play this year. I’m pretty sure Nolan’s defense will be able to create plays and be a hard defense for opposing offenses to crack. I predicted 11-5 at the beginning of the year, but I would definitely be okay with 10-6 and a wildcard birth.
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well said. i agree with this ^^^
and except for the string of playoff teams we have to go through to start the season, I would think 11-5 would be attainable as well. But that is even doable if the team gels quickly.
just a thought here, but i am beginning to think that Sparano teams spend too much time in “evaluation mode” during camp, and not enough time with the starters settled into their roles and starting to build continuity as a “team”.
Could this be part of the reason for the “slow starts” over the past couple of seasons?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how to judge...
It’s tough because we’re technically in the last year of our rebuild, but sparano’s goal has always been to win a division championship. It seems like 2 very tough things to balance. Would be a good topic to discuss because who knows where the line is to evaluate, and where it is to develop roll players. I can say, “Sparano spends too much time evaluating players.” But the counter to that is we wouldn’t have players like Bess, or Clemons if we didn’t spend all that time evaluating whether they could play their positions. I see where you are going with this.
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Interesting thought Lefty
I am going to have to think about that for a while. You may very well be right.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you Lefty
This is one of the reasons I blamed Sparano for Fridays Misfires. Each year we have started slow and had to dig out of a hole. I have high hopes for this team. I just think a run to the SB is a year away.
I understand during a rebuild you have turn your roster. I think we turned to many starters on Defense though. Have we up-graded? YES. Football is a team sport though and u have to learn to play as a team to win. I think the O-Line is a good example of Sparano evaluating to much. This is the one unit that needs to be playing as a unit. ATL threw alot of Blitzes at our O-Line and these guys did not pick them up. A good O-Line would have picked them up more fluidly.
by FinFanFromCA on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes our worries with the shuffling of the O-line seem to have been warranted
It seems like you want to settle on your line in the 1st week and then let the cross training position battles begin. Incog’s, Thomas and Jerry were lining up in both guard spots which didnt let Long or Carey get used to them. Now that its basically settled its gonna take more time for them to gel. Doubt this happens in time for the regular season
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The Center Battle also
Your center calls most of the O-Line blocking assignments. I think most people are mad that Fasano had a bad year last year. He was kept in to block more last year and cover the faults of the O-Line and the fact teams loaded the Box with defenders. Against ATL. my center should have known Abraham has Jake Long’s Number. Hense adjusting when possible to help to help out.
Abraham had/has Jake Long's number
Its up to the OC Henning to shift a TE on his side to help him out. Its more on Henning than Grove from my understanding
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about Henning shifting a tight end. Preseason though. Jake was on his own.
If you go straight up 5 on 4 no blitzes then the center needs help out. Jake Long is a great LT. But every dog has a day and every day has a dog.
by FinFanFromCA on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Great post
I’ve wondered the same thing but then again would you take a chance on not putting the best players on the field by not evaluating every player as thoroughly as possible?
Chemistry is very key but I’d rather have the very best I had gel eventually rather than take a chance with lesser players who gel sooner just because I settled on them earlier…the slow start would be a concern but I’d rather dominate mid to late season than jump out fast only to falter when it counts more.
by haildanhenningnow on Sep 1, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
To droyce
I dont know if your a moron or just dont pay attention but hartline made alot of tough catches last year did pull through for us and he did well on special team.With everyone used to noodle arm and having trouble catching henne’s passes, hartline came through..I am a bit concerned with his drops this year and B-Marsh as well,but to pretty much say that he should be on the sideline on the bench licking lolipops is just a retarted statement…Pay attention a bit more and you wont sound as….well for a lack of a better word….DUMB
are you related to Marcus Pollard?
the former Colts Tight End?
At no point did I call you dumb. I said I wasn’t crazy about a player… Brian Hartline. Keep the insults to a minimum please.
Mr. Pollard
There are no morons in fin nation and there are no dumb fin fans, just diverse people with differing opinions. Please respect our fellow fan.
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by fin4three5yrs on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
DUUUDDEEE
seriously? dez? thats who you would have picked over odrick? let me tell you that this would have been a disaster. this is a run first team brah. that means were not goin to be airing it out 35 times a game. if you think you can find good defensive linemen in the draft, then you can say the same about WR. we may have just found our gem in marlon moore.
dont forget that tony sparano and company coached the senior bowl and odrick was there. they got plenty of looks at odrick and if they were unsure about him at all they would have gotten some one else.
If you remember before the draft, the FO said they wanted a wide open offense
and Ricky commented on how Marshall will open the field. Nobody saying that Hartline isn’t a good recvr, but is he the true#2 to help Marshall?
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by fin4three5yrs on Sep 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not but its the best option we have right now
In terms of need drafting a WR wasnt high on the list after getting Marshall
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially with the performance of our defense!
If you can’t stop a team from scoring, a potent offense doesn’t mean crap….Just ask Dan Marino, Mark Duper, & Mark Clayton!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Our offense wasn’t the biggest reason we lost so many games last year
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just hoping the O-line gels
and gives R&R some running lanes, and El Roboto some pass protection. Can’t say I have huge expectations from the D, but if it can be at least decent, O-line could hold the key to our season.
Ok here is the skinny.
First off Camarillo is a Viking and making play after play for them already. Good luck Cam and thanks for the memories.
O-Line. Upgrade over last year and we were good then. Jerry is looking good I don’t see him having too many problems. He is big and strong and when he locks up with the man in front of him he wins the battle way more often than he loses it.
D-Line. Upgrate over last year the rookies are looking good. Even with our veteran losses I feel we will be putting pressure on QB’s. We did not rush any more than 4 this entire preseason and we put good pressure on with just 4! The d-line gets off the ball fast and has good size and power to rush the passer and shut down the running lanes.
Secondary. A little bit scary. This is our teams weak spot. We will be as good as our secondary makes us. I hope that with the Nolan blitzes our front 7 makes our secondary look like superheros.
Running game. Same as last year. If we stay healthy we will turn some heads.
Passing game. Henne is just fine. IMO he hit almost every pass he threw so far and made it a catchable ball. His receivers are letting him down. Henne looks very good to me and I expect he will have a very solid year.
Tight ends. Thank goodness for David Martin. But even with him I think our TE’s are the weak spot of the offense.
Special Teams. I don’t know what to think yet. But from the looks of it our special teams will be solid as well. DC$ will hit his kicks and Brandon Fields is really booming punts. The protection and coverage will improve once our starters are in there for special teams and the coaches are not trying out new people to see how they look.
So I feel that we just may have a playoff contender here. We have more bright spots than dark spots. Finally!
well said.
i especially agree with this:
Secondary. A little bit scary. This is our teams weak spot. We will be as good as our secondary makes us. I hope that with the Nolan blitzes our front 7 makes our secondary look like superheros.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Careful about the TEs
Fasano was listed as one of the top 2 blocking TEs in the league last year. Your value of TE and Sparano’s are probably different. Are we stacked at pass catching threats at that position…hell no. But when you have arguably the best blocking TE in the league according to profootballfocus.com I am not going to complain, especially in light that we are a running team.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
TE has to block and catch.
I still hold fast on my opinion…TE is the weak spot of our offense. Put up against our O-line, B-marsh, and the R&R express, blocking alone is not gonna get me to place our TE’s infront of any of the other positions on our offense. I am going to have to see some offense generated by catching and route running before I can consider them as good or above the other offensive postions on our team.
Thx lefty.
I disagree...
When Fasano and Martin were asked to run routes and get open we went 11-5 and won the division. When Fasano, Haynos, and Nalbone were asked to block we were a top 5 rushing offense. I think our TE’s are efficient at doing the jobs asked, and they are definately not a weak spot on our roster. I feel confident that Fasano and Martin can do well this year.
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Thank you!
How many TDs did Fasano have in 08? We are more than solid, especially with Martin back (he brings the ability go get deep for a TE) as a pass catcher. While we don’t have a Gates, or Clark, we have guys that execute extremely well from the TEs perspective. But I guarantee you that Gates and Clark are horrible blockers and wouldn’t help us on most of our running plays unless you split them out to take a defender off of the Line of Scrimage.
I understand that you would like to see us be a more offensive group from the TE position, but I don’t think that’s what Sparano and the rest of the FO are looking for.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice POST Lefty...
I appreciate your solid effort looking back, and it shows that you were right on with most assumptions… In defense of DRoyce – he makes a valid point…… Odrick is about to lose his starting job (now he is a good player) but if he loses out to GRANT like I think he will – then was this a good draft pick ? ODRICK has not even registerd an assist in the preseason – and dont give me that crap about 3-4 DE’s statistics….simple truth is that Odrick is still learning the game at this level, and not an impact player – HE’S AVERAGE………….DEZ teamed with Marshall would have given us a 1-2 punch SECOND TO NONE………. and Yea DEZ will be a STUD mark it down DROYCE is correct…… I still believe this is a PASSING LEAGUE NOW….
SO where is this team now ?
Well, lets face it – this team is NOT where we expected it to be ! Not yet. We have been plagued by dropped passes, poor blocking, weak against the run, and bad coverage (not you Vontae) add in some “rotten play calling” and complete lack of practicing (during games) any of our blitz packages – and YES – I am really worried about this team RIGHT NOW. Its not CLS syndrome – because I REALLY BELIEVE in this team – we are much improved from a talent level – but lets not kid ourselves… we have NOT shown it on the field… so now what ? Do you play your starters vs Dallas, risking injury ? I wouldnt do it for more than a series or two if at all. so we go into Buffalo completely out of Synch – great…Most of this is on the COACHING STAFF too. Its thier multi-MILLION DOLLAR JOB to prepare this team… and they are NOT ready period. Did you watch that stinker last week ? I did – twice… not much to like..(props to Marshall, Vontae & Micah)
Hopefully our TALENT is so much better than the Bills that we beat them week one – and gain some “MO” going into a difficult stretch (vikes, Jets, Pats)
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gotta call no homo when you say stuff like that...
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Why?
The phobic stuff needs to stop.
There’s all kinds of love. I, for one, do not associate homo to anyone here professing affection on another of the same gender. When presented in a mature manner, there are no fears, and no cockamamie jokes should be directed.
Just sayin…
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was directed as a joke...
no disrespect was intended..
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I know you're cool bro...
… just sometimes others get a litlle bent on stuff like this. Glad you said so tho.
I was just gettin a little off there, huh? Didn’t mean no harm either…
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haha...
I got a good taste of this argument when I posted the “Who’s your fave AFC East Man-Crush”. No harm at all Alpha.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
did it?
got some elbow room now do ya?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How is Odrick about to lose his starting job?
I’ve read nothing to support that supposition. As a matter of fact, I’ve read that Grant may not make the team.
Though Charles Grant has had some good moments in practice as a pass-rusher, he’s due a $250,000 bonus if he’s on the 53-man roster for the opener. That — plus a $755,000 salary — is a lot to pay for a team’s seventh defensive lineman; Ryan Baker or Lionel Dotson is cheaper. Skilled run-stopper Marques Douglas, due a $145,000 bonus for being on the roster in Week One, is needed as depth behind Jared Odrick.
Randy Starks had a Pro Bowl caliber year (snubbed IMO). He averaged 3.5 tackles per game. A Pro Bowl effort from a 3-4 DE equates to 3.5 tackles per year. And that’s from a guy who has been in the league for 6 years. To expect immediate results of that nature from a rookie at a new position is absurd. I know we want to have all of our rookies become Pro Bowlers, but that isn’t going to happen. If Odrick got 3.5 sacks and averaged 2 tackles a game AS A ROOKIE 3-4 DE, then I would consider that success. If he stays there, then I’d be worried.
As far as Dez Bryant goes, we are still a run oriented team. We aren’t going to turn into the Pats or Colts. We aren’t going to be like the Cardinals when they had Fitz and Q. We got Marshall to be our big time, play-making WR and paid him a king’s ransom to do it. We would have had to draft Bryant at 12 meaning we would have to pay him 12th pick money. That’s a lot of money to spend at one position. Plus we would still need a DE or NT depending on what we did with Starks and all that without a 2nd round pick. Hartline may not be great and there’s a few people on here who don’t like him. I personally am not completely sold that he can be a good starting WR. I want to see him improve in a lot of areas. But like it not, Hartline has proven he can play in the NFL. Bryant has not yet. Does Bryant have more talent than Hartline? Absolutely. Does Bryant have the potential to be an elite WR in the NFL? Absolutely. Can be certain of this? Absolutely NOT! For all we know, he could go down as just another 1st round WR bust. When people talk about Pat White on here, the subject of college production not equating to NFL success keeps coming up. The same principle applies here. No one can anoint Dez Bryant as the next best thing since Moss or Fitzgerald when he hasn’t played even a single down against pro competition. Just like White was last season, Bryant is an unknown commodity. You can expect greatness from him, but that doesn’t mean he will ever become great, or even good. He could end up as one of the greatest that ever played. But he just as easily could be a colossal bust and be out of the league in a few years.
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by The Earl on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You rock Earl...
nice rebuttle…rec’d…
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the Duke!
I’m on the side of true love…and a good running game.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL... Several Phinsiders call me "Duke"
So I figured why not adopt the nickname?
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hahaha I know
sometimes I’m in CKC’s lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't been in a while...
I’ll start back more regularly in October.
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No excuses. You need to show up.
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If there's one tonight, I'll try to show up...
My life will settle down in October.
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No I understand. My schedule will probably change in the
next few months and I will stop being around during the week as well.
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"several"??
i thought it was me
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You have..
Tex, Alpha, and maybe a few other like Fr8.
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fine...
but i said it 1st….
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure about that Lefty?
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I would dispute that but I don't have the energy right now.
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i also think Starks was snubbed last year. He should have made the ProBowl
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Odrick
IF Odrick was getting 2 tackles a game and “some” pressure I would be HAPPY – he is not, and really hasnt been close. He just kind of stands up his man and is always late to the ball carrier…. What do you see on tape ?
My comment about GRANT starting is completely my prediction/Opinion – there has been nothing written on this – If they cut him it would be a HUGE mistake. Grant is much better (now) than Odrick. … By your comment on Grants salary – if they keep him is it and indictment of odricks play > Personally $1 mill is nothing for a good DE … but you make it seem like it is…
Listen – I like Odrick – but he is progressing very slow right now. I had more worries about MISI – and now they are looking at benching him – I feel THIS IS a mistake – I feel like he has been getting better each week – better progression than odrick. But I do think IKE has looked pretty good out there so I am OK with this if it happens.
but where is the scrutiny of ODRICK ?
I stick by what I said on DEZ he will be GREAT …. until we win at least a PLAYOFF GAME this run… run… run… with short passes “game plan” is not validated…COLTS, SAINTS, PATS anyone ???? or do youjust want to be a 9 win team.
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The comment was not about his salary...
The report said that money was too much for a “7th defensive lineman”. He’s a back up DE. And Odrick hasn’t played in any games but preseason, which mean nothing. I have not read anything about Odrick getting benched or anyone even close to knocking him out of the starting lineup. Misi, who has run with the starters, was put with the 2nd string in practice this week. So I doubt the coaches would just sit on their hands and wait if Odrick was struggling.
Plus, it appears that Grant has played on the nickel team which moves Odrick inside and has Grant lining up as a 4-3 DE, where he has played his whole career. So Grant has potential to see time as a pass rusher in nickel sets, but I doubt he’ll win the starting job from Odrick. If anyone gets over Odrick, it’ll be Douglas, since he is a proven run-stopping 3-4 DE. Grant is the 4th DE right now. If he was outplaying Odrick, then we’d have heard about it before now.
And about Dez Bryant. If this FO wanted to go pass happy, then they could have very easily. They could trade for VJax (better than Bryant right now) if they really felt like it. They could have traded for Santonio Holmes if they wanted to. They could have drafted more WRs. They could have gone after Stallworth or Boldin in FA. But they didn’t do any of that. This will continue to be a run oriented team. We got Marshall to be our playmaking WR.
And another important thing about Bryant. Whoever got the idea that he is a field stretching deep threat? His 40 time was a 4.52 at his pro day. Mike Mayock reported that his 10 & 20 yard splits indicated that his 40 time should have been faster, leading Mayock to state concern over whether or not Bryant could hold deep speed. Here are some pre-draft scouting reports about Dez Bryant and his speed:
Not very fast. Lacks deep speed
The injury kept him from proving his speed at combine, something of a question by scouts as he is not regarded as particularly fast.
The biggest complaint about Bryant is his playing speed. Unlike Randy Moss, for instance, he probably won’t time especially well. Fast cornerbacks can stick with him down the field and edge him over to the sideline.
Lacks elite top-end speed or a breakaway gear
So adding Dez Bryant would not have given us greater speed at the WR position. Bryant was known for making plays in the open field and getting YAC, which is exactly what Marshall does. Except Marshall does it at an All-Pro level while no one knows how Bryant will play against pro competition. Not to mention that WRs coming from a spread offense in college take time to adjust to a pro route tree.
You also forgot to mention that we would have to lock up a ton of money at the WR position, while ignoring more pressing needs like defensive lineman (either NT or DE) and OLB. The truth is we didn’t need Bryant once we got Marshall.
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by The Earl on Sep 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i also tend to believe that had we drafted Bryant
we would absolutely NOT have traded for Marshall, so it was one or the other… not both.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'll take Marshall 100 times out of 100 in that decision
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^This!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You are so correct Nicky!
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And I for one would rather have Marshall for two 2nd round picks
Than an unproven commodity like Bryant. You know what you get with Marshall. I guarantee Bryant isn’t anywhere near the blocker that BM is. In fact I would say there are only 2 WRs in the same breath when it comes to that….Hines Ward and Boldin.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yano Earl, i had this bud that play football in collage he was so good that the WR. got drafted in the first rd. By the Miami Dolphins & did not play football his first year in the NFL!
You might remember him, (O.J. McDuffie) he was a sure fire answer to the wow’s at wr. before
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 1, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to pick one word to describe OJ
it would be Crafty. He found ways to get open, and he was one of the best 3rd down go-to guys to come along in a looong time. I feel like Bess could have a similar career, which would be great.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree about the coaching staff
but the final assessment will come at the end of the season. Remember all those years that we had fast starts and last season fades? Heck, we practically expected to start out 4-0 or 3-1!
I am concerned that the coaching staff spend a little too much time “tinkering” in training camp and pre-season, and not enough time building unity among the starters, and THAT results in slow starts to the season. But if they gel early and finish strong, that might actually be a winning recipe. You want to be playing your best ball at the END of the season, but you still can’t put yourself in a hole at the beginning.
Now, i think the play calling was about stressing the Defense this preseason. I think they were putting the CBs on an island and seeing how they did. And I believe that some of the deficiencies can be covered up a bit with the addition of pressure packages during the regular season. But Smith and Davis NEED to improve… period.
Most of the problems I see with the team right now are about timing and chemistry. Both sides of the ball, and even STs should improve with consistency among the starters.
The Buffalo game will be huge for us. As cdizzy said above, it is like our 5th preseason game, except we will be playing our starters the entire game, and trying to win. =) If we can pull it together for Buffalo, we will have a shot at the vikes. Otherwise, it is going to be a brutal opening stretch.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I might believe Dez is a stud when he actually plays
Until then show me something to back your claim. At least Odrick is on the field. You can’t contribute sitting on the sidelines.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
and before you jump on me.....
I do LOVE the DOLPHINS !……. as much as anyone…. I will be there week 1, at the local sports bar with my group of Fin Fans …. the ones that stayed together thru the 1-15 season… every week supporting the team until the end of every game … am I critical sometimes of the MGT and coaching decisions yes sure, its america we have that right.
STILL THINK WE WILL BEAT BUFFALO – but worried about NYJ & NE in short order…..
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yes sooner the better
should be interesting with the cuts coming up. I expect the FO to go after at least 2 players to shore up some of our injuries already.
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How big is having picked
up Jerry in the 3rd. Should be a nice draft class for us i believe. And then of course we have our UDFAs….
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solid post Lefty, I always enjoy your posts. cheers!
100% with you on “Who Cares?” re: Crowder. When he’s healthy, he’ll be a solid back up.
Having Will Allen back would alleviate a bit of my doubt about the secondary, but I have absolute confidence in Davis & I have to believe Smith will follow suit.
All-in-all, I like our chances against Buffalo. One week at a time…
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i didn’t mean for it to sound so glib. ;^)
I am also worried about W. Allen getting back. i think we really need him, but i don’t think he makes it back soon. =(
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
you cant say that! we gta all wish rly hard together and maybe it'll happen lol
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
wzb rubin offenya?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
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never terrifying us with these hi-tech word’s, never the nearve shredding disapointment, shell of a man that we now see befor us. Or the spectaculer entertaining version of the humpman, that we can picture on the other end of these key’s. Oh i ment that in a good way!
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 1, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
how else cud one tak it?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
8 in the box?
Right now, Spiller seems to be about all the offense has going for it. If I had to choose, I’d say stop Spiller and the running game and take my chances with Captain Checkdown Trent Edwards trying to beat us.
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yup
I’d load up against Spiller because if he gets in the open field, just wave bye-bye. 8 in the box, roll the FS over Lee Evans (who always seems to kill us) and put a ton of pressure on Edwards. Shut-out
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Vontae is going to be waiving the #2 sign at Trent...
for 2 pick sixes!!
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hahaha that'd be nice
I think Dansby gets two dropping right into the hot routes when Edwards sees the blitz, and Smith will get one because I think Vontae and our FS will be on top of Evans. Smith one-on-one with Joe Whothehellcares on the other side will result in an INT.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We just have to careful against draw plays
If we start blitzing too much, then a well timed draw play could result in a big gain for Spiller.
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true
that’s why I don’t think I would run overload blitzes, just bring guys through each gap
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yea the bills are going to be a thorn in our backside.
We better be ready for them and play discipline.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
by 54 on Sep 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know Earl.
Look what Lee Evans has done to us over the years. That guy absolutely KILLS us!!! I agree that Spiller is there best weapon, it just seems that Lee Evans has our number for some damn reason!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Double Coverage
Put our best CB on him and let Clemons roll over to him in double coverage. Then they will throw to…?
If we get beat because of Edwards throwing to James Hardy, Roscoe Parrish, and whoever else they got, then we deserve to get beat. Stop Evans, and the running game and we SHOULD win.
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Easier said than done
Evans has been a thorn in our side for at least 3 year, 4 if I remember correctly. You would assume that we would have learned by now. So either it still doesn’t work, or we have had the dumbest DCs on the planet.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we have a new DC now
Plus he’s not as big of a thorn as we think. Here are his career stats against the Dolphins:
2004:
2-32
4-110, 2 TDs
2005:
3-65
5-117, 3 TDs
2006:
2-19
3-67, 1 TD
2007:
4-65
2-79, 2 TDs
2008:
7-116
3-23
2009:
2-60
2-40
That’s 12 career games against us for 39 receptions, 793 yards, and 8 TDs. That averages 3.25 receptions, 66 yards, and less than a TD a game for a career. That’s not great from our end. But he did most of his damage before 2007. We weren’t exactly good then. In that 3 year stretch, he had 19 receptions, 410 yards, and 6 TDs. In the next 3 year stretch, he had 20 catches, 383 yards, and 2 TDs. You can throw out the 2007 season since we were turrible. He had one great game in 2008, then played average. He had decent yardage totals in 2009, but that was against rookie corners. One thing you notice though, is that isn’t consistent against us. He can blow up for 5 receptions, 117 yards, and 3 TDs or disappear like 2 receptions for 19 yards.
All in all, I think he’s the ONLY threat Buffalo has on the outside unless they split Spiller out as a WR. He’s inconsistent against us and hasn’t been much of a threat in the past few seasons. Our corners are better and Clemons is at least average in coverage. Since Buffalo doesn’t have anyone else and there O-Line is questionable at best, hopefully our pass rush can force Edwards into checking down (which he loves to do) or force throws into double coverage to his one reliable WR.
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Parrish's speed could burn us.
Just read that on one of the fahshots but I can’[t remember which one.
So credits to ALL fanshotters!
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That's true
But he hasn’t produced much, so he’s a guy who’ll have to prove whether or not he can be a reliable threat.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah last year TO got us in that 2nd game
All I know is that as “talentless” as the Bills were during that time, they beat us fairly regularly with a crappy QB and it seemed that Lee Evans was always the one catching the TDs to beat us.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans had TO last year.
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by fin4three5yrs on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait for this season.
Marlon Moore was a player Omar “raved” about from practices lol. Guess he was right this time.
I can’t wait for this season to start. Center, ILB, Sean Smith, ST, and o-line depth concern me.
Center: Grove is great but an injury waiting to happen Berger struggles against the bigger opponents
ILB: Dansby is great. CC is good but has the injury bug. Dobbins is a downgrade of CC. Micah Johnson shows great promise, but lets see if the rookie continues to shine in real games.
Sean Smith: loosing his swag err sorry lefty lol. Looks like he’s in a sophomore slump. Will Allen needs to get healthy
ST: coverage units are stinking it up. Allowing drives to start from the 45 will cost us.
O-line depth: wow hopefully we find some upgrades off of waivers.
*Hopefully we get rid of the case of the drops. That drives me crazy!
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
Smith has been thrown at very little this preseason
same as last year. He’ll be fine, he’s once again the best CB on the roster
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I understand he's usually all over his man.
But, when he gets beat it’s a mental mistake and for a big play. A couple of those a game wipes out the good stuff
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
by 54 on Sep 1, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
of course
gotta remember it’s only his 4th year playing CB, and the fact that he only makes 1 or 2 mistakes a game is a good sign. Everybody makes mistakes, especially when you are on an island out there at CB, and I think he does a much better job in coverage than people like to give him credit for.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
These mental mistakes seem to happen at bad times. Especially when opposing teams have the momentum. I want to see him shutdown that momentum and not contribute to it. Then he’s gets the credit from me.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
by 54 on Sep 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw Marlon Moore coming all along
you go ahead and believe those guys are the answer im no fool
those players arent the answer we need to bring in a undrafted kid like Marlon Moore.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I just thought it was worth mentioning, since Left brought it up
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well I still want to take credit for Bess
totally called him being a stud lol
I will say this.. I still have no idea who Marlon Moore is other than the fact that he’s on the Dolphins
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Well since he looks to be a lock on the roster right now, youll find out who Marlon Moore is eventually
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Agree, and he needs time with Marshall.
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by fin4three5yrs on Sep 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicky
That’s why you should listen to your west coast friend. LOL. Moore is good very similar to Bess when it comes to potenial upside. Fresno State has had a weak QB this year and last year. Moore’s numbers and Seyi Ajirotutu’s numbers sucked last year becuase of the QB. Seyi plays for SD and also went undrafted, but, he’s a stud. David Carr’s little brother should be starting and he should have started last year. He’s got that “IT” factor. AJ jefferson who plays for the Card’s and also went undrafted is the guy if he finds the right team and position. He is the guy to watch for. Pure Athlete. Amazing football speed.
Question for you about Moore and Fresno State:
What type of offense does Fresno State run: spread, pro-style, WC?
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Pro-Style
Pat Hill (Head Coach Fresno State) coached for Billicheat when he was in Cleveland. Academic standards are lower for state univ as compared to most of the pac-10 schools. So we pick up alot of kids that have talent. We also recruit heavily in the Central Valley of CA. The green V on the back of the helmet stands for the Central Valley. Basically not to let the top recruits out of the Valley.
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WRs that play in a pro-style college system tend to pick up the pro route tree quicker (for obvious reasons). Sounds like we could have picked up a real gem (not yours Langford, sorry).
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LMAO
There’s 50K down the drain! Too funny Earl
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah right some lawn guy just got a nice little bonus
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully it is the 65 year old guy that's been doing it for 30 years
That would be a nice gift for him.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 2, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
link it or it didn't happen
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn Lefty. Great post!
Rec’d..!!
Well worth the late night……..
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Odrick (Earl)
Look, if Odrick was actually MAKING a play I wouldnt say this – SURE I would take a 3.5 sack 2 tackles per week year from him !!! I understand the 3-4 DE position – but he hasnt made a single assist or tackle yet and he has played a lot !
He’s just late to the ball carrier…. I do think he will get a lot better because he has the frame and tools – but he is NOT better than GRANT right now….. Are we rebuilding – or putting the BEST players on the field now ???
Its just my prediction that GRANT will wind up starting over him – when he gets no pressure at all – Buffalo should be a great chance – if he dosent play great against them – (weak ass OLINE) he’s just not ready to be a starter.
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the point was that Starks was probably our best player at any position last year
and should’ve been a pro bowler with those “mediocre” stats. He also hasn’t played a full game yet. In 3 partial preseason games, you have decided that Odrick can’t get the job done as a rookie? Because he hasn’t equaled Randy Starks’ stat line from last season? I’m sorry, maybe it’s just me, but I don’t expect every single rookie to come in and be a world-beater… Have a little patience
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Young D holds the KEY
I’m new here and this is my 1st post. Having said that I’m a longtime Fin Fan over here in CA. Since Sparano/Parcells came into town I’ve never been this excited in this Org. each & every season with this season being no different. With B. Marsh on board now, R+R healthy in the backfield, And Roboto Henne having another training camp under his belt, I honestly have a good feeling about our O. Obviously, as have been stated many times in this forum, the defense of 2009 was not cutting it to the tune of 390 pts against or 24.3 per game! OUCH!!! SO Out with Paul P. and in with Genius NOLAN! YES!
This could very well be the make or break draft that will tell the story for upcoming seasons in good ole Miami-land! I was in the minority with my other “Fin-Freinds” when I said DEF, DEF, DEF last April, but seriously! We needed to upgrade.. All Defense except John Jerry! I say Excellent move and with Dansby in FA! I truly believe with genius Nolan, we will shore up our Pass Def starting with The front 7! Ok, so we lost, umm whats those two guys names again? Anyways, I like Odrick, Misi, Ike, Dansby we will get the much needed coverage help from our LB’s to help out our young 2ndary! Remember how the Fins opposing TE just seem to have a field day last year!! Cant wait to see all the changes on this side of the ball! Hey if they can force a lot of 3 n Outs! The Fins can play with ANYONE!
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you are FinFanFromCA?
wait… what?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Stalker....
lol
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I was definitely not thinking DT and DE with out first two picks, I can tell ya that!
But I was hoping we would grab a FS and NT, so I was still thinking D. But after thinking about it for a day or so, it started to make sense. I was also primarily jazzed about Mike Nolan. I didn’t think our D was as bad as the 4th Q breakdowns suggested, and I really laid the responsibility for those losses to Indy and especially N.O. on Paul P and poor D play calling.
So my expectation for the team’s next steps going into this season were all about incremental improvement on Offense, exponential improvement on D.
And i think we are there, talent-wise. My only concern now is about the time it will take for the team to mature and develop. Can they get it done quickly enough to be contenders THIS season, or will we be too far in the hole by the time they get it together?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But I was hoping we would grab a FS and NT
How did you feel after the draft when we didn’t take any player from those positions?
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But after thinking about it for a day or so, it started to make sense.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
nice area. i relatives up there.
not really close to any football stadiums tho…..
=)
-LCFF
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(under protest)
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 1, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland bound on 11/28
I got tix to see the Fins kick the snot out of the Raiders! The nice thing is my seats are right behind the Fins bench…3rd row 40 yd line!
by Phintastic feeling on Sep 1, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol; light year's of improvement have brought us to this!
wopper "the king" computer
by wild zion beaver on Sep 1, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd go
but i am scared of raiders fans
-LCFF
DotJPBW
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You are smarter than people give you credit for Lefty
Like the master said…“Be afraid, be very afraid”
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Welcome new guy!
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nice job lefty Little
I think when the TunaPhish team took over… the smart ones said … based on the talent level/age of the team that this would be a 3-5 year project… i’ve seen little to dissuade me of that as we enter year 3… the talent is younger and better. there is a focus and the core positions are being built on a yearly basis… o-line/d-line/CB and now Wr and LB…
that said the team is a mess right now due to it’s inexperience and as a result it will struggle with inconsistencies this year…
Johnson has been a nice find … but he is out of position a lot… smith needs a wake up call and davis looks like the real deal but i suspect he needs another season before he actually plays to a probowl level.
but next year … they will focus on safety and pass rush and a rb… all signs that they have done a good job rebuilding the team because the list of needs is getting pretty dang small.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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