Talking Dolphins with the Football Outsiders
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Many of you are well aware of the Football Outsiders. They are the guys who statistically break down every play of the NFL season and come up with some very interesting analysis thanks to their innovative stats. Every year, they put out their Football Outsiders Almanac, filled with stats and analysis on every NFL team and player. If you're like me and am a stats guy, then you won't spend a better $20 than on their annual almanac - available at Amazon.com.
I recently had the opportunity to talk with Aaron Schatz, the person who wrote the chapter on the Dolphins for their almanac. My interview with Aaron is below. Enjoy - and be sure to come back tomorrow for all kinds of thoughts and reaction on the Dolphins' first week of camp, including Saturday's scrimmage.
Q: In the Almanac, you write that "most scouts think Chad Henne will develop into a solid contributor with a nice long NFL career, but very few believe he’s going to approach superstar status." But where do you personally stand on Henne? And do the Dolphins even need Henne to approach "superstar status" in his career to be long-term Super Bowl contenders?
A: I think he's going to be good, but not great. And no, they don't need him to be a superstar in order to be long-term Super Bowl contenders, as long as they have enough other good pieces around him.
Q: You mention in the Almanac that the Dolphins used extra blockers to protect the QB more than any other team in the league, which led to having their QB hurried on just 12% of pass plays and resulting in a number one ranking in max protect. What do you take from this and do you think it’ll be important for the offense to send out more players in routes rather than keeping them in to protect if they want to be a more effective offensive team?
A: Actually, I'm not sure that's the case. Miami actually was not very good last year out of four-wide sets, when I think it is safe to assume they didn't have extra blockers. They ranked only 23rd in DVOA with 4-5 wide receivers. I think that it is more important to have the receivers who do go out on patterns get open than it is to make sure the tight ends go out on patterns too.
Q: I find it fascinating that rookie Brian Hartline led the Miami receivers last year with a 21.9% DVOA. But I just don’t know what to make of him as he enters year number two. He quietly became Chad Henne’s favorite red-zone target last year. But now the Dolphins have Brandon Marshall as their new number one and Davone Bess firmly entrenched as an elite slot and third-down receiver. So what is your take on Miami’s current receiver situation? And where do you think Hartline fits in this year?
A: Our KUBIAK projections aren't that high on Hartline, but a lot of that is about playing time. I don't think the Dolphins are going to suddenly start throwing the ball a lot more, which means if you give a lot of passes to Marshall, and assume Bess will play basically the same role (a fairly safe assumption, I think), Camarillo and Hartline are left sorting through the scraps.
On the other hand... Are you ready to have your mind blown? Based on the FO similarity scores system, there's a three-way tie for the most similar rookie season to Brian Hartline's 2009: Terrell Owens in 1996, Anthony Miller in 1988, and Ashley Lelie in 2002. That's nice company, or at least two-thirds nice company. Eric Martin, Roddy White, and Nate Burleson all show up on his similarities list too, plus Stephone Paige's second year.
No disrespect for Camarillo, but looking at those similarities as well as their respective ages, I wonder if it just makes sense to install Hartline as the third receiver (not slot, but outside when Bess moves inside) and see what he can do with 60-70 passes instead of the 40 we project.
Any idea with you guys what the heck happened to Patrick Turner? Man, does that look like a mistake.
Q: You mention that the Wildcat with Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams taking the snap (and not Pat White) averaged 4.9 yards per play with a 20% DVOA – which to the casual statistician seems rather good. Do you think the Dolphins will continue to use the formation in 2010 with similar success?
A: I don't see why not. More than any other team, they understand that this is a weapon, not a gimmick. It's a formation with very specific movement and specific play-calls. It is about power as much as trickery, maybe even more so. Honestly, I think there are only two teams in the NFL that should be running this stuff: Miami, because they do it so well, and Cleveland, because they need to figure out how to get the ball in Josh Cribbs' hands and their regular quarterbacks aren't very good.
Q: Moving on to the defense, you talk a little bit about how the cornerback position is among the toughest positions for rookies because of its steep learning curve. Considering that, what were your thoughts on how Vontae Davis and Sean Smith played last year? Though you admit "it’s hard to forecast the growth of cornerbacks based on how they play as rookies," what kind of careers do you see these two having in this league?
A: Uh, they played like rookies? I think Davis takes more chances and Smith is more conservative. I honestly can't predict their careers from here, it's been just one year.
Q: When talking about the defense, you call Karlos Dansby an "active playmaker" and highlight his 17 defeats on running plays, which was second in the league. But you fail to mention Dansby in the opening of your Dolphins section when discussing "difference-makers" on defense. Isn’t it fair to assume that Dansby will likely be the very definition of a "difference-maker" on defense because of his athleticism and versatility – especially compared to the man he will be replacing from 2009?
A: Oh, he'll be a difference-maker this year, sure, but you can't build your franchise around a guy who's 29.
Q: The Almanac has the Dolphins with a 2010 mean projection of 9.2 wins. Where do you see the Dolphins ending up in 2010 – on the high end of the spectrum with 10 or 11 wins or closer to a .500 season?
A: Actually, I see them ending up pretty much at the mean projection. I think this is a 9-7 team, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them win a wild card or go 7-9.
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thankfully something new to read
I was about to jump into the Sheets twitter feed out of desperation, lol
Appreciate a generous owner, accomplished VP, strong GM and fair coach
This league will soon fear the Fins
by special agent wildcat on Aug 8, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL Check out a library sometime. They happen to have all kinds of reading materials.
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 8, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid read, very informative
Actually there’s been some nice things said about Turner recently by the media. Hopefully Turner presents them with a good problem to have once it comes time to carve out the roster.
Appreciate a generous owner, accomplished VP, strong GM and fair coach
This league will soon fear the Fins
by special agent wildcat on Aug 8, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
When we got Turner, Yeah, I was a little shocked at how early he got drafted..
But he was suppossed to be a project type receiver… bring em’ along slowly..
Now as we have a chance to look back a little including his play this training camp I’d say our big reciever is coming along nicely
after the trade for Marshall they obviously were dead set on that big target
They tried to answer it the year before with Turner but it seems he’s benefiting from having access to Marshall. If Turner can make this work and get on the team I’d be interested to see Marshall and Turner together on the field. It’s not easy to defend that height especially if there’s two of them. If Haynos at 6-8 can get consistent then that’s an interesting three players to send out and cover.
Appreciate a generous owner, accomplished VP, strong GM and fair coach
This league will soon fear the Fins
by special agent wildcat on Aug 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely...That would be just one more specialized set for the offense..
That still might be a year away though… m-a-y-b-e towards the end of thes season..
Or, if they are all active in the redzone?
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Humbling...It's nice to keep your feet on the ground just a little.
thats what i got from it personally.
yeah agreed
very humble honest and unbiased opinion on our squad.
too bad he has no CLUE, MIAMI 19-0 FTW!!!! CHAMPIONSHIIIIIIPPPPPP lol
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I disagree about Dansby.
I think you can and should build your team around a playmaker in his prime. Young guys can watch him and learn from him as he nears the end of his career. 29 isn’t 36… He should still have a few strong years left in him!
Tom Brady,
You're coach is a cheater, your rings are a lie, you backup from Michigan!
by Juck the Fets on Aug 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hopefully he can take the next step
with a great, borderline elite, d-line in front of him.
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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Tom Brady,
You're coach is a cheater, your rings are a lie, you backup from Michigan!
by Juck the Fets on Aug 8, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was pumped about this interview, but disappointed
that almost all of his answers were so short!! C’mon Aaron, I’m a huge fan of your work, open up a little:)
Seriously, though: good, reasonable analyses, and probably a good basis upon which to ground our expectations. As a fan, though, you always hope to be the stat-busting surprise success, and that’s what I’m wishing for.
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Who in the hello is Schatz, stats don't lie but Dansby not mentioned as a defensive
playmaker says all i need to know about him. 22 yrs of age is the average age of a Nfl rookie, so that will put Dansby a 8 yr vet at most. If that is too old then Ray Lewis must be a dinosaur. Amazon.com can keep that book or donate it to the lie bury.
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did you mean to mis spell library?
It just seems like you are mocking them…..
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by fin4three5yrs on Aug 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well, he didn't say he was too old,
he just said you don’t BUILD around a 29 year old—which to some extent I agree with, if by “build on” he means “expect top-end production for the next 5 to 10 years.” But we he’s going to make a huge impact on the short to medium run—which is what you expect from a FA acquisition, and which will hopefully pry open the championship window we all believe is almost unstuck.
We are DRAFTING guys that we can build on, that can get us over the hump now and keep us there long after Dansby’s skills have begun to decline.
Will this season just start already?!!
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by Brooklynfinfan on Aug 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
For example we can build around our secondary and line on D.
And our line and WRs on O.
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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Weird, we are great in the tranches and on the outside but lack the middle
LBs and the offensive back field.
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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What?
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by stonecoldcory on Aug 8, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
our offense backfield is fine
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""It only ends once. Everything that comes before is just progress"
Pot Dansby is in the middle and Sparano solely gave him praise.
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by fin4three5yrs on Aug 8, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That is one of four LBs
both our OLBs and Crowder can and should be looked at as “solid”. If clemons steps up and SS and KSE progress, our secondary is elite. Our D-line is great as it is. Our o-line is great as well. We have three really good WRs as well. but the R&R train is aging and Henne is only “solid”.
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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The "pm striker king"- WZB
I'm more talking about who to build around, rather than what we
should see as weaknesses. Our OLB are ?s so far though, except for wake’s ability to rush the passer.
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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The "pm striker king"- WZB
Brooklyn, you don't pay somebody that much money if you don't plan on building around
him. The post stated that Dansby was not mentioned as a defensive playmaker and when Matty asked about his omission, Schatz acknowledged Dansby was but………………
THE 70,S ARE FINALLY BACK. WELCOME TO THE FINS NEW SB ERA, 2010-
by fin4three5yrs on Aug 8, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I am Pot, history is His story.
THE 70,S ARE FINALLY BACK. WELCOME TO THE FINS NEW SB ERA, 2010-
sorry Pot, so mad, I should of put this as a reply to the lie bury question.
THE 70,S ARE FINALLY BACK. WELCOME TO THE FINS NEW SB ERA, 2010-
by fin4three5yrs on Aug 8, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
mad? why should you be mad?
Note to self: Read the fanshots!
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Driving the Evan Royster and Allen Bradford Rock 'N Roll Train!
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The "pm striker king"- WZB
Nice read
All this guessing what are guys are gonna do, in a few long days we bet to see first hand. I’m going to be going to the third preseason game and that will be a good gage on where we are. I think we are gonna be a balanced offense and a risky defense. If the rookies work out and Nolan’s knowledge of the 3/4 hybrid it’ll be “Very Interesting!!!”.
Wow, talk about underwhelming
Not saying he needs to set the world on fire, but some more in-depth commentary would have been nice besides “they play like rookies” and one is a republican and the other a democrat (joke).
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
If people are going to say the Jets have a shot at a superbowl
then the dolphins do too. I think they’re better than the pats, and probably tied as far as talent with the Jets..and better at the QB position. I think they’ll go 10-6 if nothing major goes wrong. If BM, Jake long, dansby and henne stay healthy, I see no reason why we can’t go 10-6. If we exceed expectations, Henne making strides, and bmarsh comes in and instantly dominates I think it’s possible to go 12-4

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