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Is Koa Misi's starting job at risk?

It's been basically assumed since training camp began that the starting strong side outside linebacker job was going to belong to rookie Koa Misi. He's worked as the starter in basically every practice and has started all three preseason games at the position. But the situation might be getting a little bit more complicated than we all might have anticipated.

On Sunday, the team's first practice since their loss to Atlanta on Friday night, Ikaika Alama-Francis was working with the first-team as the strong side outside linebacker in Miami's 3-4 defense. Misi, though, did also get some snaps with the starters. However, you have to wonder if the coaching staff was hoping to see a little bit more out of Misi during the preseason.

After practice, head coach Tony Sparano addressed the situation - though I'd say he wasn't exactly very clear here. Asked about whether or not a change was made, promoting Alama-Francis, Sparano said:

"We’re looking at him there right now. Not necessarily a change. And it might even just include that Ike was in that group and we’re maybe looking at Koa as well. So, not really a change, but, he was in first group today.

"I would say that it’s about trying to line your—in some situations—maybe with the emphasis of the day today trying to line your ducks up in the right order a little bit."

It's important to keep in mind that this isn't the first time Ike has taken snaps with the first team. He replaced Misi on a couple of drives in each of the three preseason games. And when you read more about how Sparano felt about the defense's performance on Friday night, I think it's easy to see what the situation really is here.

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Talking more about Friday's performance, Sparano was asked about how he thinks his defense played:

"I thought on the defensive side of the ball that the interior part of our group, I thought Atlanta kind of maybe on the surface got after a little bit, but it really wasn’t that. So when I watched the film I thought that was positive—like we were knocking them back pretty good. The ball spilled out on the perimeter a couple times and when the ball spilled out on the perimeter they made some yards and that’s a concern. Can’t happen, but, the interior—the integrity of what was going on in there I thought was fine."

Just like that, it's clear as crystal why Alama-Francis is getting first-team snaps over Misi. The Dolphins are looking at IAF as more of a situational run stopper because of his ability to set the edge. Ike is a converted defensive lineman, after all, whose strength is stuffing the run. Misi, meanwhile, isn't as physically big and strong - but is more athletic and versatile.

This means Koa could be losing snaps on early downs this year to Alama-Francis until he improves his ability to set the edge and stop the run.

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Are going to see a defense by committee, this year?

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by Tunaflipper on Aug 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting a little motivation into the youngster

Don’t worry folks…we will see a whole new level in two weeks. Like I said before, the Dolphins are using the preseason to evaluate talent and not to practice schemes, remember the wildcat was held in the dark, but it was unleashed it was well tuned! As Miyagi say: “preseason, win lose no matter!”

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by phatfinfan on Aug 30, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I know this was supposed to be about Misi...

But man I cant wait for Ronnie’s breakout season. This is it! Bring on the Canadian Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by phatfinfan on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But man I cant wait for Ronnie’s breakout season.

Great now Ronnie’s fibula is going to break out of his leg. Way to jinx things

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was thinking "break out or break down" season...

it will surely be one or the other

;^)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leon Washington?

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 31, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you trade Cobbs or Hilliard for Washington?

I wouldn’t, although Washington is a good return man.

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by phatfinfan on Aug 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would

in a heartbeat

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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS x 1000^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 31, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by texascowpunk on Aug 31, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Washington (when healthy) is exactly the type of change of pace running back that the Phins need!

Cobbs and Hilliard would both be gone if I could get Washington.

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by ct1361 on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hells yeah I would

Preferably Sexy Lexy, I like Cobbs versatility in the WC…but I would give either of them up!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

its fibia, not fibula

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wax on... wax off...

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by Alpha6 on Aug 30, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh grasshopper

you are wise beyond your years.

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by Phintastic on Aug 30, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you pluck the pebble from my hand...

… it will be time for you to go…

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by Alpha6 on Aug 31, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misi

Sounds like Ike may just be our new Matt Roth on early downs.

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by Matt27 on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

let's hope

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't really make Misi bigger or stronger right now...

So enter Ike to set the edge on certain looks. I don’t have a problem with this. Give Misi 1 more year in the weight room and Ike may be looking for a new position. I think Misi is that good.

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by Heater OsE on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

This is my opinion

We seem to forget fairly quickly that Misi played a lot of end in college, and if I’m not mistaken, even some interior/nose. Ike has been in this league a little while longer. We can’t just expect Misi to be 100% ready to assume the role and handle it all by himself.

Besides, we don’t need him to. We don’t expect him to. It’s a good “problem” to have, to have Alama-Francis fill the Matt Roth role and have Misi take over on pass-rushing and coverage—that is, until (like you said, Heater) Misi can put on new strength and learn more from this wonderful coaching staff.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Aug 30, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

not worried

doesnt matter if misi starts or not…. IMO hes starting a new position and he really needs to work on that. whether hes starting in game 1 or not, it doesnt matter. what i care about is whether hes starting on game 16. that will show us how much progress hes made.

by crf163 on Aug 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

If Ike starts playing

you better pray he never drops back into coverage. He will get straight lit up in coverage. I have seen Misi have trouble setting the edge. But it isn’t like Ike hasn’t made the same mistakes. The 30 yard cutback run by Jennings was Ike’s fault. MJD has a 10 yard run where Ike got sucked in. The falcons ran a sweep where Ike got sucked in. Not sure what people see in him.

by vaneasy2338 on Aug 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

this is because misi got baited inside by Michael Turner on that one play, misi bit and Turner

bounced it outside, thats the most important task misi has is to keep that RB inside, misi had him contained but at the last minute fell for the juke inside. Turner’s a pro and misi is a rookie, so its to light a fire, send a message whatever cliche u want to use, also to reward IAF for playing well. Not worried at all about misi.

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by sonnycrockett on Aug 30, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought we drafted him for his size/strength ?

Look – I was against the MISI draft pick – thinking there were better options with more speed and experience playing OLB. but I thought based on what I saw on tape- that MISI looks pretty good…. I have no problem with him starting, but yea he needs a lot of improvement – thats what you get with this type of draft pick – someone who has a lot to learn….On the other hand – ODRICK has show much LESS so far, he is around the ball but never makes the tackle… and not much pressure either…. which shows 2 things – 1. 3-4 SUCKS and (2) CHARLES GRANT deserves to be the starter for now – keep working Odrick in but, Grant has OUT PLAYED HIM… I think he will be much better in the future, but we need to get off to a fast start in buffalo.

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by 62Lou on Aug 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

misi was drafted for his versatility, he did everything well but nothing "gamechanging",

misi looks good from what i’ve seen odrick has a good motor but its like he’s a step late from getting pressure or stopping the RB in the backfield he’s had a lot of “almost” big plays

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by sonnycrockett on Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Misi is a Jack-of-All-Trades, which is what is desired from your outside linebacker position in a 3-4. He doesn’t have to be game-changing to be a strong fit in that position. Doesn’t mean he won’t be, but it’s all about finding the right “fit” for your defense.

Channing Crowder isn’t a game-changer, but next to Karlos Dansby, he will be extremely productive. It’s a very good fit.

Same with Misi. Across from Wake, who I think will have a Dumervil-esque introduction to households this year, and especially with the aforementioned ILBs between them, Misi’s do-everything ability will be enough to make this a very strong group for years to come.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Aug 30, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will everyone stop with the Matt Roth comparisons

Roth was released because he wasn’t any good. Matt Roth doesn’t start on good defenses so why would the Phins want anyone to play like Matt Roth?

Aim higher than Matt Roth.

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by ct1361 on Aug 30, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roth was a good SOLB,

and he was getting better, he was dependable, finished the year very strong with Cleveland.

by uncle finster on Aug 30, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only team in his division that Matt Roth would start for is Cleveland.

There are 6 OLB’s in the AFC North better than Roth. What am I missing here? Nam another teams fans that would be clamoring for an OLB like Matt Roth?

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by ct1361 on Aug 30, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is that

if a Roth-type run-stuffer was our back-up SOLB to Misi, the do-it-all guy, that’s a damn strong back-up.

I’m not saying the guy (IAF) should be starting. I’m just saying to have that guy who can set the edge, alternating with Misi while the latter learns his position and bulks up.. how is that not a great setup?

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Aug 31, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because you can't rotate every position based on every situation

What happens when Misi is in and they run at him? Or when IAF for pass plays? That is why Taylor beat out Roth last year. He wasn’t as good against the run but more than made up for it in the pass. A 3-4 OLB has to, let me repeat, HAS TO be able to rush the passer. Roth can’t.

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by ct1361 on Aug 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Misi isn't miserable against the run

But let me ask you this: if teams know that Misi struggles against the run, and they try to run at him often, is it not an interesting concept that we can indirectly “control” their game plan and then counteract it?

Truly a question, I’m wondering. Couldn’t this be a positive?

And to be honest, I think we’re interpreting this issue differently. I think you’re looking solely at Roth as a player whereas I’m commenting more specifically on the rotation and development of Misi and IAF. I’m merely comparing IAF to Roth in that they had very similar strengths at this point in the game. IAF has been an SOLB for how long; a few months? I’m sure if they had any significant long-term plans for the guy, a lot of pass-rushing work would be done with him over the course of the next year or so.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Aug 31, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Misi isn't terrible against the run.

And yes if the game plan is to run at the weak player, the DC can somewhat counteract that. But he has to be careful because if he counteracts too much he can leave the defense vulnerable to something else.

Roth was thrown into a position in ‘08 because the Phins had no one else who could play it. That doesn’t mean he was good. He was simply there. To be a good OLB in a 3-4, whether SOLB or WOLB, you have to be able to rush the passer. And Roth couldn’t. Neither can IAF.

Think of it this way: the only difference to the SOLB and WOLB is where they line up presnap. Once the play starts, they are the same. The play itself and the defensive play call dictates which one of the OLB’s rush the passer along with the NT and two DE’s.

It is because of the nature of the 3-4 scheme that Roth (and IAF IMO) that he didn’t fit into what Parcells and Sparano want to do. He simply does not possess the pass rush skills and frankly the quickness to be an effective OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

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by ct1361 on Aug 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

IAF can't now, no

but would it be ludicrous to say that in the future he can become at least an average pass-rusher?

Also, I don’t know that I agree with the SOLB/WOLB comparison in their duties post-snap. I believe somebody like Dumervil rushes the passer something like 70% of the time or so. Is that not the case for the majority of WOLBs?

I was always under the impression that the SOLB focused on doing all three jobs (coverage/pass-rushing/run-stuffing) whereas while the WOLB was asked to do all three, he focused mostly on the pass-rush. I guess that’s incorrect?

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Aug 31, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are partly correct.

Sometimes OC’s can formation a WOLB out of a pass rush position. Sometimes DC’s will adjust their defenses to try and make sure that the WOLB is a position to rush the majority of time. But to do that, you technically have to do some “unsound” things that can open up other areas of weakness.

For example: if the offense comes out in a running formation with a TE and a FB, and it is a pass, most of the time the SOLB (over the TE on the LOS) will be the designated pass rusher because the WOLB will most likely line up off the LOS. Now in the same formation, the WOLB can walk up to the LOS and put himself in a pass rush position. But doing that makes the quick slant to his side wide open.

It is all part of the chess game that OC’s and DC’s play on every snap.

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by ct1361 on Aug 31, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah.

Well thank you, sir.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Aug 31, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that SOLB or "SLOB"??

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by IEphinfan23 on Aug 31, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...

… that’s what I would say…

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by Alpha6 on Aug 31, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

What if the SOLB was actually a SLOB??

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misi is still looking better than the majority of OLBs around his draft area

Kindle has all kinds of injury issues, and Jerry Hughes is getting womped by 4th string TEs. Spikes and Angerer have been looking good. Haven’t heard anything about Dunlap, Cunningham, or Lee (which means they are probably doing a Meh-job). Honestly, Misi was one of the better picks out of these LBs/DEs thusfar. None really look spectacular.

by Farorefox on Aug 30, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misi should be ok.

I too said what? We drafted who? But after watching him play I think he is going to be decent. Odrick is another what who IMO. We will just have to see how it all fits together.

by labrat3105 on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Misi may be the LB that finally invokes the spirit of Jackie Shipp!

2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
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by phatfinfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

See...

… everyone can say they know Jack Shipp….

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by Alpha6 on Aug 30, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous to even ask

Misi has one of the few defensive bright spots this year. He’s gotten a lot more reps than Ike, but Ike has played well in the time he’s been on the field. The team needs to cut a lot of players in the next week (77 down to 53), and they have a logjam at OLB (Moses, Anderson, etc).

The only way to really evaluate Ike is to give him some time with the starters. I don’t think that anyone annointed MIsi a lock to start anyway, so explain to me why we are having this discussion??

Let’s talk about important stuff, like the cuts we have to make tomorrow, and what positions the Dolphins will look to bring in some guys off the waiver wire.

There are no articles in a couple days, and this is what we get???

by BigJLovesYou on Aug 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You complain alot

There are dozens of other forums you could go to, if you don’t like this one, so much. No one is forcing you to be here.

by Farorefox on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freedom of speech

If you don’t like my posts, then don’t read them. Are you a masochist?? Is that word too big for you?? I am here because I like the Dolphins, not to be your new boyfriend. I am sure your old one is working out just fine.

by BigJLovesYou on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's up with all the @ssholes the last couple of days?

I apologize on behalf of the rest of the members here if we seem insular or uninviting. I’m sure it’s not intentional but please just show some common courtesy. It’s not asking to much, in my opinion.

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by kdock on Aug 30, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know I find myself saying that too

Every couple of days

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by Red Dog on Aug 30, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since this is the internet, you may be asking too much

People can and will say whatever they please when behind a computer screen. Not that they should…but they will….

by Ham420 on Aug 31, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is BigJ!

and he Loves You!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 30, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

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by Alpha6 on Aug 30, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet the "J" stands for "Jetfan"

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by phatfinfan on Aug 31, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless your opponent is in the hurry up offense

you should always put your best defensive players on the field w/regard to down and distance. me thinks that’s what TS is up to. keeps players fresh and hungry at the same time. feed the beast! would assume this will happen with both OLB spots and even w/crowder on passing downs.

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by madcitydave on Aug 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

nice read, i was waiting for something on the big alama

Koa did look a little weak when the runs got to the outside, but i like having this problem. Have no problem splitting snaps between the two depending on the situation at hand. This is a good problem.

by ricenbeans82 on Aug 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting...
Sparano said OLBer Koa Misi is presently being training to play both spots – weakside and strong side.

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by The Earl on Aug 30, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, Misi's future is at ILB

He just doesn’t have the frame to be a great OLB in a 3-4. He played better at Utah when he was 15 lbs. lighter. The added weight we asked him to gain may be a factor in why he isnt playing all that fast in coverage or the edge. Hopefully our coaches realize this because he can be a good ILB along the lines of a James Farrior

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he isnt playing

fast in coverage? Did you see that pass break-up? I don’t think we have ever had a SSOLB make that pass break-up. Generally if you don’t hear about him in coverage it’s a good thing.

by vaneasy2338 on Aug 30, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a piece on this very subject on ESPN...

and the conclusion of that article was that Alama-Francis remains an intriguing prospect, though there’s not necessarily a statement on Misi.

My own impression is that this is, at least for the moment, a wakeup call /“gut check”/motivating ploy. Mind you, if Misi can’t improve parts of his game, namely his ability to stop the run, then I’ve no doubt that the staff would play IAF. From what I’ve read of his play, I get the sense of IAF being something along the lines of Roth.

by Natalya on Aug 30, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Another Roth would be just what the doctor ordered,

and it is certainly a fair comparison, both guys went from DE to LB, both were stout DEs, both adapted very quickly, and I think Francis moves a little better, but if he can dependably set the edge on obvious running plays that would be great.

by uncle finster on Aug 30, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree: T'would be a fine proposition

Roth was excellent against the run and even contributed more than a couple of sacks too in his last full year here.

by Natalya on Aug 31, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wake - WLB, Misi-WILB, Dansby-SILB, Crowder-SOLB...

Multiple D in Madden is killer!! not that it matters, just saying…

Wake – 3 sacks Misi – 2 int’s Dansby – 1 int Crowder – 1 sack in last game I played

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by Heater OsE on Aug 31, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve read of his play, I get the sense of IAF being something along the lines of Roth.

^^^This!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 30, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Are we at 75 yet?

And is tomorrow the cut?

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by Tunaflipper on Aug 30, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so. Haynos was waived this AM.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 30, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply button please...

lmao

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by Alpha6 on Aug 30, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK ... there is really nothing to worry about with Koa Misi...

Misi is doing fine for a rookie. What we have here though is a guy that converted from DE that is looking really good at OLB. He is a run stopping specialist and he is really what we need there at this time. It is not a bad thing to have many talented people. We can figure out where to put them for them to be effective. If Ike is that good maybe we can move Misi inside. I am not worried about having too many talented LBs. I am worried about not having enough talent up front though. If we don’t start playing better in the front 3 we are going to have a tough time this year. I haven’t seen enough out of our front 3. We are constantly getting pushed back and making plays 5 yards deep. I know we are not running our schemes and all, and hopefully there is something really good in store for the front 3, that helps them to actually get in the backfield and cause problems. I think if we start by surrending as much as 5 yards we will have a tough season.
Misi did let himself get sucked in a few times in the game, but it wasn’t like he was getting blocked. He just underestimated the ability of those NFL RBs to get outside fast.

when does the season start.....

by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 30, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont know

I was talking big before preseason but I have been watching new england,buffalo and the NY yets and i have to say all of the look better than us….i hope we can pull it together

by Danny Pollard on Aug 30, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

lol not the jest

Seriously they have been looking extremely pathetic this preseason
If anything I’m scared about the Patriots he is looking like 50 TD brady this preseason…

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by Gamer2102 on Aug 30, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with the "not too much to see here" crowd

My only question is, did anyone else notice Ike gulping for air after every play? He looked wiped.

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by Red Dog on Aug 30, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Soooo Omar was right?

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by joel311 on Aug 30, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

CORNER

Misi is not our issue and neither are the bills. What the hell are we going to do when pro-style offenses lineup not 2 but 3 quality receivers. Smith? He needs to step up so Sapp can be the number 3 guy. Will Allen is a real concern after TS stated no timetable on him. We’ll be leaning on Culver and Ness which scares me. Big plays were a huge problem last year and I’m not sure we’re much better this year.

by fishfan54 on Aug 30, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dansby IS a huge improvement against the TE position

Which was a huge part of the big play problem last year. This year for TE’s, we’ll see, Shiancoe(MN), Keller(NY), two rookies in NE, Gresham(CIN), Miller(PITT), Sciafe(TN), Finley(GB), Sheffler(DET) Heap(BAL). If Dansby’s role against T. Gonzalez was an indication of things to come, then big plays up the middle could be a thing of thee past.

Let’s just get through the Dallas game fully healthy and then start the season strong against the bills!!!

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by IEphinfan23 on Aug 31, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't read much into it

Through how many years and even this offseason alone has Miami rotated players through first team repetitions? We’ve seen Cory Procter with repetitions at LG and we’ve seen Micah Johnson on the field with the first team against the Falcons. This is probably just a coach’s tool to determine how good Alama-Francis can perform against a first team unit while sending a message to Misi that he needs to set the perimeter. When we line up against Buffalo, I’d still be surprised to see IAF starting in our 3-4 package instead of Misi.

by Finhead83 on Aug 31, 2010 2:02 AM EDT reply actions  

remember awhile ago when this ESPN or NFLN reporter

announced this while watching the gme rewind?

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by PotM on Aug 31, 2010 4:31 AM EDT reply actions  

that's...what...she...said???

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by Heater OsE on Aug 31, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

lmao

Rec’d

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by Alpha6 on Aug 31, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Heater OsE on Sep 1, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

#55

I just remember watching jacksonville game and there were several time when he just couldnt contain the run… one instance where drew was able to just speed right past him…

by dolphin#99 on Aug 31, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

We'll find out real quick...

Test #1 – CJ Spiller/Marshawn Lynch
Test#2 – Adrian Peterson
Test#3 – Shonne Green
Test#4-Mauroney

I hope he can make it through the Bye week.

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by Heater OsE on Aug 31, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem isnt with the backs its with the tackles

Misi is only 250 lbs. He giving up nearly 80 lbs. to his opponent.

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Aug 31, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he need's 8 - 12 more lbs. of knowage.

This year can get worse, is if (our destaney) is the same. Injuries cum to often, & alway’s at the wrong time!

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by wild zion beaver on Aug 31, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Week 4……Mauroney….LOL….a test.

The Pats don’t even know if he will make the roster!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 1, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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