Highlights and lowlights from Dolphins preseason loss to Falcons on Friday night
The preseason is funny. When things are going good in the preseason, fans will talk about how "it's only preseason" - meaning it doesn't mean much. But when things aren't going good, panic sets in among many fans. No longer is it "only preseason."
I fall victim to this, too. But I also don't think you can just dismiss a team's struggles in the preseason as easily as some want to. Now don't get me wrong - I don't think the win-loss record matters. Final scores don't matter. But I think the play of the starters matters very much in terms of how ready this team looks for the beginning of the regular season. These athletes many be good - but they aren't machines. They just don't flip a switch when the regular season begins. That's not how it works.
The Dolphins have been very slow starters under Tony Sparano, going 0-2 in 2008 and 0-3 in 2009. If the Dolphins want to be serious playoff contenders, they can't start slowly this year. Their early season schedule is rather brutal. A slow start could bury this team in a hole that's too deep to get out of.
That's why many, including myself, are a little concerned with the disappointing performances out of many of the starters on both sides of the ball. Is it "CLS" (Chicken Little Syndrome)? I don't think so. I'm not sitting here saying how the Dolphins are going to stink this year or that they need to get rid of "Player X" and start "Player Y." I just wish the first-team offense and defense would have looked a little bit more "regular season ready" than they did on Friday night.
Onto the highlights and lowlights.
HIGHLIGHTS
-Cornerback Vontae Davis probably had the strongest all-around game of any Dolphin. He had good coverage on his man all night and showed the kind of tackling that we all expected to see from the physical corner that he is. Upon further review of the game, though, some of the throws in his direction might have been completed with better throws from Matt Ryan. Still, it was Vontae's tight coverage that shrunk those windows for Ryan to throw to - and he deserves a lot of credit for that.
-I was impressed with outside linebacker Cameron Wake for most of the night. Though he didn't record any sack, he did hurry Matt Ryan twice. We know Wake will be able to get to the passer, though. What was so impressive was Wake's performance against the run. He held his ground well when the run went at him. But what I really liked was Wake's backside pursuit of the ball carrier. Wake was very active and it's an encouraging sign considering his ability to defend the run has been the biggest question mark about his ability.
-Though we know defensive coordinator Mike Nolan is holding a lot back in terms of his defensive schemes, we saw a glimpse of how Karlos Dansby is going to impact this defense. He provided good coverage all game long on future Hall of Fame tight end Tony Gonzalez - the same Gonzalez that killed this team last year in the regular season opener. This is just the beginning of what to expect from our big defensive acquisition.
-For the second time in three weeks, defensive tackle Paul Soliai put together a very solid game. It wasn't as dominant as his preseason debut against Tampa Bay. But against a better team, Soliai showed that he might have what it takes to give Randy Starks the necessary breathers he'll need to stay fresh for a full four quarters. He didn't dominate - but he ate up blockers and made some tackles on rushes right at him, looking hard to move after disappearing for much of last week's game.
-Running backs Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were factors in the passing attack - something I am hoping to see carry over into the regular season. We've talked a lot about how Brandon Marshall is going to free up the middle of the field for the tight ends and for the slot receivers - as well as how the attention he's going to get should help reduce the number of defenders in the box, providing more running room for our backs. Something that hasn't been mentioned is how Marshall's presence on the field is going to free up the running backs out of the backfield, too, to become bigger factors in the passing attack.
-Speaking of Brandon Marshall, he's definitely worthy of being mentioned here. His stat line is rather plain - 3 catches for 51 yards. But this is the "chunk yardage" Tony Sparano has been talking about. In that drive right before the half, Marshall caught two passes in five plays that gained 46 yards. The first was a beautifully thrown touch pass from Chad Henne along the left sideline. The second was a bullet on third and 11 that was good for 20 yards. This kind of quick-striking ability has been an element this team has lacked for years. Now with Marshall, it's back.
-I can't leave out kicker Dan Carpenter as a highlight from Friday night. Carpenter connected on both of his field goals - the first from 53 yards (and probably good from 60+). He also made a likely touchdown-saving tackle on a kickoff return by the Falcons. Good for Carpenter. Not good for the coverage unit.
-I was impressed with the play of Tony McDaniel on Friday night. He was rarely moved off the line by just one blocker and he got into backfield a couple of times. He's probably now a lock to make this team.
-Wide receiver Marlon Moore was getting on the field with the starters as the fourth receiver - and he looked like he actually belonged there. Is he now ahead of Patrick Turner? I hope so only because he has much more speed than Turner and will produce more YAC than Turner.
-I got to mention Pat White, right? He played for the first time this preseason - and didn't look so terrible. I know it was against Atlanta's second and third team defense. Still, his throws were accurate and he didn't look as out of place as he did at times last year. Does it mean anything? Probably not - though you never know. But I still think he's the odd man out when the final cuts come around.
LOWLIGHTS
-Chad Henne wasn't terrible - but he wasn't great, either. I was expecting a better performance out of Henne on Friday night and was disappointed. But I'm also confused as to why so many Dolphin fans are so down on Henne. Yes - that was a bad decision to try to squeeze that pass into Anthony Fasano in the endzone. Yes - he didn't go through his progressions as well as he seemed to last week against Jacksonville. But man, he's been getting killed by some fans since the game. Are we forgetting that at least four of his passes were dropped by his receivers? Again, he wasn't very good by any means. But I didn't see anything out there that isn't correctable and that would be a long-term problem. He's gotten better on his touch throws and his accuracy. He still looks more comfortable out there than he did all last year. I just wish we'd see a little bit more fire and energy from him - like we did from Chad Pennington. But for those calling for CP10 to be the starter - give me a break. I'm the biggest fan of CP10 you'll find (many will attest that I might be too big of a fan of his). But his throws just float - even worse than they used to. And many are saying Pennington out-played Henne. But 7/14 for 62 yards against more back-ups than starters is not out-playing. This is Henne's team. It's time everyone gets behind him.
-I mentioned the dropped passes briefly above - and it deserves mentioning again. I was being generous in saying there were only four. If I really wanted, I could say I counted six - including Brandon Marshall's fumble that was challenged and overturned, resulting in an incomplete pass. The Dolphins now have double digit drops in three preseason games. It's not so much as worrying me, though, as it is angering and confusing me. I don't get it. These guys were sure-handed in the past. What the hell has happened?
-The offensive line is continuing to struggle. I know I keep asking - only because many seem unconcerned about their performance - are you concerned now? The one sack allowed to Henne wasn't anyone's fault. A defensive back came unblocked on a blitz. But I saw John Jerry and Richie Incognito get beat in pass protection, resulting in hurries. I saw Incognito and Jerry getting shoved back on running plays. Jake Grove and Joe Berger both failed to stand out at all. I rarely saw any running lanes for the backs. This is just not the kind of performance we are used to seeing from a Dolphin offensive line since Tony Sparano has been here.
-I'm disappointed in Lousaka Polite's performance. And that's not because he actually got stopped on a 4th & 1 play. It's because the big man didn't look like himself when he was lead blocking. Last year he was a monster, plowing defenders into the ground. He actually whiffed on a couple of blocks on Friday night.
-Twelve men on the field again? Really? I swear - if I see that called against the Dolphins one time in the regular season, I'm going to need to be locked away. Really.
-Nine more penalties on Friday night. Nine! What the hell is going on this preseason?
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Great post
My biggest disappointment has been with the O-Line. What the hell happened to our run game? That was the one thing I thought we’d be able to count on going into this season.
Grove hasnt locked up the Center position
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome post as always, worth staying up for
I agree on all your points, especially concerning Henne, I know he didn’t play so well, but you have to include the terrible play by the O-line. Give him the 4 drop passes and he doesn’t look so bad, now give him some time to make his reads and not have to rush? I bet he puts up even better numbers.
The worse part from the game has to be the O-line, I can’t believe how terrible it looks with one meaningless game left between “oh it’s only preseason”, and ‘OMG we are in a hole again". I was really hoping TS would have had this unit fixed and done with by now. Like everyone always says the O-line players need time to play together so they can ’gel’ or whatever…but that’s over, I doubt they’ll play more then 2 series on Thursday, the next time the starting O-line get’s together, it’s go time. I really hope TS can get this group playing well together before then.
As for defense, outside of the secondary I wouldn’t see much need to worry, except for the fact that when Nolan starts blitzing…the secondary is going to play a huge roll in making sure we don’t get burned time and again. I guess there isn’t much we’ll be able to go on since the starters won’t really play till Game 1 vs the bills. All we can do now is hope TS has this group prepared because right now they don’t seem anywhere near it.
Also, Matty…how do you re-watch the games? Do you DVR them?
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I agree
If the OL doesnt give him time to go through his progressions how the hell can anyone blame him for locking on to his WRs at that point?
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 30, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think that Thigpen is the odd man out ...
He has been up and down during the preseason so far. I think if he showed us enough to make us think that he was a solid backup we keep him and Pat White and we cut Pennington. I think the #3 QB is a developmental QB. If you are keeping a QB to develop, do you keep a guy that is 26 and has proven to be inconsistent and is probably as good as he is going to get, or do you keep a 2nd year player? Keep in mind last year as a rookie, the Dolphins threw Pat White in on critical game winning drives and given the situation he did not self destruct. Did he have some bad passes? Yes… But given the situation it makes sense that his arm would be a little bit live. Also keep in mind they changed his throwing motion and had him stop wearing gloves. Pat White gets another year and we either find a trade partner for Thigpen or we cut him…. Simple. We used a 2nd round pick on Pat White last year so we obviously feel like he is a developmental guy. We used a 2nd round pick on Henne and the plan for him was 3 years until he started. Stop worrying that Pat White didn’t look good being thrown in there as a rookie. He also didn’t look awful. He was 0-5, and there are many elite QBs who might do that poorly in one game if they had been thrown in there as a rookie and told to throw one pass, then sit for 10 games, then throw another pass.
when does the season start.....
I agree
Well, I kind of agree. It would not surprise me at all if Thigpen is traded in the next week. I like him a little more than you are giving him credit for but in comparing White’s and Thigpen’s ceiling you are correct. PW has a lot more potential than Thigpen has, I would like to give PW at least one more year to try and figure it out.
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well, I can recall a couple of moments when our 3rd QB actually had to play
It happened with Sage Rosenfels once or twice, and with Thigpen last year, and I would much, much rather have Thiggy under center than White—whether for an entire game or just a series.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Aug 30, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
if our 3rd qb is being used this season....it's a wash........
if we can get a 5th for thiggy i say go for it……keep pennington and keep white……i would hate for the phins to give up on white this early (and it still is early……very early)……just to keep thigpen around……in another year or two, pat white will be at least good enough to be a backup…..there is too much upside to his game to send him on his way…….pennington is all the insurance we need if henne goes down…..if they both go down…..we’re done………………….
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by MagicDolphin on Aug 30, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah this sounds right
Pennington is going to be starting somewhere next year we’re better off developing our second round pick and getting some more depth for next year.
I don't think so
I can’t see Pennington being a starter for any other team at this point in his career. He could step in and start if needed, but I don’t think someone is going to try and get him to take over the reigns.
We all know his arm isn’t the best but what keeps Pennington in the game is that he is just way smarter than everyone else on the field. His leadership and smarts will get him a starting job where he is needed.
I don't think so...
I love CP, but with his age and injury history, no team will sign him to be the starter. If he goes somewhere else, it would be in a similar role where he would be mentoring the young QB. A lot of teams could use Pennington’s wisdom and leadership, but he would be using that from the sideline.
Also of importance is I’m not sold Pennington would want to leave Miami in the first place. He has already had the chance to test the market this offseason to see if anyone would take an interest and without any regrets or concerns, he came back to Miami and has accepted his role.
not true
If the horrible happens and we lose Henne for an appreciable amount of time the 3rd qb could easily see a few snaps or even a game without the season being a “wash.” Thigpen could step in and finish/win a game or maybe two—nothing long term, obviously, but he could cover for CP10 for a short time. Pat White can’t do that. As a break-in-case-of-emergency QB White is useless.
I also do not believe he has any more upside than Thigpen—they have almost the same skill set.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Aug 30, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
in my 28 years as a Fin Fan
I have seen it also.
Why are there so many people here that absolutely LOVE Pat White, but hate Tyler Thigpen? They built a college football team for him at CCU near Myrtle Beach. He has proven to be decent. He might not have a high comp % but look what he done in the 11 games started for the Chiefs as a 2nd year qb, better than our own Henne. I would rather keep Thigpen but I do not work for the Dolphins so it is not my place. Thiggy takes chances, he throws deep, he escapes and runs good. On the right team he could be a very decent starting qb.
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I don't think the D got enough credit for the job they did.
Again, in theory with the safety on, they held a very good offence to 10 points in the half and created a turnover which put us in position to tie the game at the end of the second quarter.
We can bust on Henne all we want, but really I think he had a better overall half than Ryan. Henne’s INT came on a tipped ball after a LB made a great play. Ryan’s INT came on a “what were you thinking?” throw in the general direction of Roddy White.
That throw and several others where he flat out missed receivers – White had a sure TD on one – have to be credited to the D. The coverage was good, we were jamming routes well and while we didn’t get any sacks there was constant pressure in his face.
It seemed to me that Sparano and Nolan were actually going with two three man units on the D-line in the first half. That might have been situational but Grant, McDaniel and Soliai were rotating in a couple of series.
It’s worth noting that we played without Crowder and without Dansby for most of the second quarter.
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I think we are going to see this a lot...
As much as I want Henning to open up this offense and have 3-4 receivers on the field all the time, I know that we are a running team first. Sparano needs to lock his O-Line down right now. Give this unit what they need right now, and that’s a chance to be a cohesive unit. He’s moved players around, given people shots to earn a position. Now it’s down to the wire. We need to be able to cram the ball down any type of defense. For some reason we really struggle against 4-3’s and this stems from last year too. I think we will be a top 5 rushing team again this year, but the ball has to start rolling now, not 3 weeks into the season.
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I would hope that our running game is what most DC's are game planning.
So let’s come out passing and save the running game (our backs) for mid season or so.
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You guys think that maybe the O and D coordinators are just completely going vanilla and just not game planning and thats why team looks kinda stale sometimes. Wouldnt be surprised to see an extra spark from these guys when the games count and coordinators call plays to beat the other team instead of “hey call a play and lets see if…. Grove can push back both those DT on this up the middle play” ?
the other teams do that too
this is a player evaluation period, we’ll see how the coaches stack up when the season starts
The thing that disappoints me most -
Our O-line. Not so much our pass protection, because that seems decent, but their run-blocking. Holy cow, did these guys forget how to play or what? I’ve seen basically no lanes open up throughout three whole games, and this is a line that’s featuring three of the same starters as a year ago when we had a top-5 rushing offense.
We’ve taken it for granted this offseason that our running game will be dominant as usual, but we didn’t take into account that they may not live up to the expectations we’ve set for them over the past two years. Brandon Marshall was brought in to help our running game, but even with that extra defender out of the box, our O-line is doing nothing to help our backs. We need to fix this.
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ODRICK, DAN HENNING, MOORE/TURNER
Odrick first – 2 years ago I was one of the first people to say that Randy Starks DESERVED to start over Merling… I was right then, and Merling has continued to slip in his performance (before the injury)… Now I have to say this – Jared Odrick does not deserve to start over Charles Grant (6’3 285) GRANT has outplayed Odrick in every game – watch the tape … I watched every play of the last 2 games – LOOKING to see anything… but Odrick didnt even post an assist. GRANT is a veteran and we would be better off starting him in week one. WE HAVE TO BEAT BUFFALO … and get off to a decent start – I do think Odrick will get there, and he dose NOT look over matched – but he is not shedding blocks well, and he is just NOT making plays like GRANT… this is just like the STARKS/Merling issue years ago.
HENNING – completely SUCKS as an O-Coordin… come on man…. show me something ! WHEN are you going to open it up ? I hope he is “saving” it for the regular season, but I fear the “old guy” syndrome…same ole crap different year.
Moore vs Turner – to me is a No-brainer – MOORE WINS EASILY he is a much better WR and has better potential with more speed and quickness – I also think I would keep WALLACE over Turner… sure Turner looks much better – but who has the most potential ? Looked the best … speed that we really need ?
this team is full of HUGE players – we need a few people with more quickness than size.
Lastly – KY standout Micah Johnson deserves to make this team – his football instincts are way better than Chrowder (bench) and Dobbins should start next to Dansby, as he is also the better player…
I welcome everyones thoughts on my perspective…
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Henning
I’m only going to comment on Henning and leave the rest as it is. Henning does take too much heat and I don’t think he calls a bad game at all. He’s not doing anything special in the preseason, but few teams do. Just remember Henning helped make Miami the 15th ranked offense (22.5 PPG) last year without many threats at WR and a first year starting QB. Granted, 15th is nothing particularly special, but the 22.5 PPG is the highest Miami has averaged since 2002 when Ricky Williams rushed for 1,800+ yards.
We’ll probably see a bit of new stuff come the regular season as Miami may have made some new wrinkles with the presence of Marshall. Henning isn’t a flashy coordinator like Mike Martz, but he uses our offense to its strength, which is pounding the ball while allowing our young QB to make plays when needed. Miami has some tweaking to do on offense, but Henning is not part of the problem.
Henning
I half-agree. I recall some times last season where he didn’t seem to help us out too much…Ricky throwing an interception on the 1-yard line comes to mind.
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Well
If they thought Henning was the problem then they wouldve shipped him out with Pasquali, but they didn’t. Also Henning really didn’t have much to work with and besides switching offensive coordinators will only stunt the growth of Henne
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by Deuce Black on Aug 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Think CP10 will be our next OC. Next year if Henning fails to produce.
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by fin4three5yrs on Aug 30, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
CP10 will be a QB coach..
.. for a few years before he takes the reins of an entire offense. That is if he even stays for pro level coaching. He has stated that if he coaches it would likely be highschool, that he wants to be able to spend more time with his wife and kids.
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Lee is the favorite as Henning’s successor isn’t he?
by metalhead86 on Aug 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on board with Micah Johnson.
He looks better than Folsom and Spitler, his game speed has nothing to do with his 40 time. Looking at the game he locates the ball and then sprints to kill the guy with it. And he find the ball A LOT! I’m already a fan of this guy.
About the WRs i think the next game they should play a lot if its M & W, T & M or W & T i don’t care keep the 2 guys which are ready to play if needed and can bring something to the table during a game.
Henning I’ll wait until the season.
Odrick I think there will be a lot of rotation there.
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Keep Micah, start Dobbins, trade Crowder
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Vontae Davis is turning into a Shut-Down corner
right b4 our eyes, he is still raw and will make mistakes but he is a premiere corner in this league imo. Henne has been either too late or too early in some timing throws , so he is definately out of sync but at least were not seeing bone’headed throws for pick sixes. he’s finding the open man but the passes are either dropped or too early or late. The punt/kickoff coverage has been bad. And we aren’t sealing the edges against the run, this really worries me with CJ Spiller week 1
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bruh
I’ve been saying this from day 1, Vontae is a lockdown corner. He’s a complete player, he has lockdown coverage and lays the wood in the run game. He has pro bowl bloodlines and it’s only a matter of time before he reaches full potentiaU
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by Deuce Black on Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This time you are right in the spot Deuce
I got it wrong Tebow was a 1st rounder... Mau you won on this one... Damn!
lol
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by Deuce Black on Aug 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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Well first there is no such thing as a shut down corner and Vontae isnt there yet
Does he have the potential to be a top corner? Yes, but he’s still got some learning to do. He needs to locate the ball and anticipate the short routes better. He does a great job in sticking with his man but doesn’t turn his head around (ala TB TD)
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ofcourse he isnt there yet
but hes going to be pretty damn close this year just watch. things like looking and leaning are things that he can fix in a minute
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of course, he didn't fix it in an entire offseason...
so how long is his minute compared to mine? :)
Seriously though, we have no idea how he’ll play until Week 1 kicks off. I don’t put a lot of stock in the Preseason.
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I dont put a lot of stock in preseason either
and I didnt make that statement based off the last game, I’ve been saying this from the start.
Sure we don’t know what the deal will be until week 1 but my bet is on Vontae being a big time player this year
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Deuce...
Totally agree about Vontae – He is going to really help this DEF this year.
whats your opinion on Odrick so far – no tackles again this weeks game…. again……I’m not saying that he is terrible, He’s doing Ok – but GRANT has really impressed me from the HIT on JAX QB to his pass pressure… give me the VET all day unlesss the rookie is really making plays.
I think Odrick will get there – but this is a PLAYOFF TEAM if the defense performs – we must get off to a good start vs buffalo.
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As for Odrick
Don’t worry about his tackling numbers because run support isn’t necessarily his strength. Come regular season youre going to notice Odrick on 3rd downs. He is a natural pass rusher and theres no doubt in my mind that Mike Nolan is going to find a way to utilize it. As far as run stopping is concerned, we have Marques Douglas for that. Hes a great run stopper and he can fill that role on 1st and 2nd downs until Odrick becomes a all around player
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by Deuce Black on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant has a better pass rush than Odrick
All I know is he and Starks need to be in our nickel/dime packages
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He played well against Atlanta. But let's not put him in Canton yet.
There were still some throws that Ryan should have completed against him. He is also stiff in the hips when changing directions.
But you still need to notice something. When Smith and Davis were in the game together, the Falcons offense targeted Davis more, regardless of who he was covering. He is going to get his chance to make plays this year because opposing OC’s see Davis as the weak link in the secondary. They did last year (more targets in less snaps than Smith) and so far in the preseason it has been the same.
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I think they were just trying to throw to Roddy White heh
by metalhead86 on Aug 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
But why were they lining up White on Davis' side? Maybe they wanted White there?
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You're right there are some throws Ryan should've completed on Davis
but he couldn’t. Vontae’s coverage caused him to make some less accurate throws. Hell one of his passes hit Roddy White in the hands, but Vontae kept hustling and knocked it out. Also Vonate has very fluid hips, If anything Sean Smith is the one with stiff hips. If you’ve ever seen Smith cover Wes Welker, you’ll understand why he doesn’t cover slot. A guy like Welker exposes smith’s hips because he can’t change direction with a quick receiver such as Welker.
Also Davis mostly lined up on the left side last year which is considered the #1 corner spot because #1 receivers usually line up on that side, but anyway…The NFl is a game of matchups and when you look at some of the receivers Vontae faced last year such as Randy Moss, Braylon Edwards, Terrell Owens, etc. You’ll notice they all have a height advantage. Teams are going to line their #1 on Vontae because they automatically have an edge there, that wouldnt be the case if they lined up on Smith. Hell even before Vontae was in the starting lineup teams tended to target Will Allen more that Smith for those same reasons, but that doesnt mean Allen was a “weak link”, so that doesnt mean Vonate was necessarily the “weak link” either.
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by Deuce Black on Aug 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, Smith will have to convert to safety at some point in his career
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This is true but
Smith is nowhere near physical enough to play safety
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I watched Smith cover Welker live last year. And I don't think Welker had one catch with Smith on him.
Welker turned Davis inside out that game. It was obvious in the NE game that Brady was throwing the ball to whoever Davis was covering. Smith and Davis flipped sides that game. They both covered the slot receiver in a twins formation. Brady chose to throw at Davis. What does that tell you?
So far this preseason I am seeing the same thing. Davis looks like he is making more plays because he is getting more opportunities. He is getting more opportunities because the opposing OC’s, in what little game planning they are doing, would rather throw in Davis’ direction.
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Tells me that different Corners match up better with different recievers
Moss is a much better receiver than Welker, and Revis is a much better corner than Cromartie, but I’d put Revis on Welker and Cromartie on Moss all day.
I appreciate these insights... thanks.
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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I'm glad this wasn't on TV
I really wanted to watch this game but it looks like I was better off not seeing it. I know it is only pre-season but I was really hoping for a little more out of the team for this game, though it looks like the D played pretty well. I hope Sparano gets the offense in line before going to Buffalo!
cubman, as bad as we were and terrible on 3rd down ( we were 2nd best team in NFL last yr)
the game was very close and was a one score game for a long time, we had every oppurtunity to take the lead so i was pleases to see it wasn’t a blow out, shows we are still a tough out.
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looking at the replay...
the game wasn’t as bad as the score made it seem.
i’m not worried yet.
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by Dave.Phuller on Aug 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
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not much else to say other than what’s been covered 1000 times. Not worried about Henne in the least.
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Great point about Henne and the WRs
I think the drops are more the WRs fault than Henne’s fault. I’m kinda tired of all the flack he takes about his throws being too hard to catch. Brett Favre has been a hard thrower all his career. Its said that he his throws have broken or dislocated fingers. He threw an absolute bullet to Camarillo in that game, across the middle between two defenders. Had that one been dropped, you think the Vikes fans would have been clamoring for Brett to throw easier? Because if that was Henne throwing it, we would have too many comments saying “Henne needs more touch” or “He doesn’t always have to throw so hard”.
Of course I’m not comparing their skills as QB, but both guys are known to have strong arms and throw the football hard. At some point, the WRs are going to have to start catching the ball regardless of how hard Henne throws it. Yeah, Henne doesn’t need to throw a 95 MPH fastball to a 5 yard checkdown. But from what I’ve seen, he’s been relatively good with those passes. Its time the WRs get used to it and start catching the ball.
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Henne is actually looking like the "King of the Checkdown" this year
which means
A) Our Wr’s aren’t getting open fast enough
B) Our line isnt protecting well enough
C) Henne isnt comfortable in the offense
D) All of the above
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they just haven't been using much of the playbook
I read a tweet by Omar Kelly where he said he thinks the Dolphins should use Marshall in the slot more instead of just on the outside. That was based on what he’s seen in preseason. Yet in practice, they mentioned how Marshall had been lining up all over the place. That would seem like they are playing extra conservative offense this preseason and are waiting to dial up more just when the games count. I think we’ll see more deep passes and aggressive play calling in the regular season.
But I do agree that the line could work on pass protection. I just think that the coaches have been extra conservative and that Henne’s WRs need to hang on to the ball.
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I thought the same thing at first
but I actually think it’s because he’s really working on going through his progressions.
Preseason is a great time to play to your weaknesses, in hopes of shoring them up, and I would list “not going through all his reads” as a pretty stiff weakness of Henne’s last year, along with the well-discussed issues with his touch passes (which he also appears to be doing a lot of this preseason)
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by Brooklynfinfan on Aug 30, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Henne
Not worried at all. I have so much trust I have him as QB on 4 of my 5 fantasy teams. I believe Henne will be great. I see so much Marino/Favre in him it makes me giddy when I watch him play.
That he throws so hard is a blessing, not a curse. Very few guys can throw a ball between 2 defenders 40 yards downfield, and place it in there hard.
Despite all the CLS around here I fully expect this to be a huge season for our Dolphins.
I wonder if the book is out on Henne.
He seems to have trouble getting off his primary receiver. It is not just this game against the Falcons, but kind of goes back to last season. How many times have you seen Henne look front side at his primary receiver, recognize that he is covered, progress to the back side to a secondary receiver and complete the pass? I don’t remember if he has or not. How many times does he scan the whole field in his drop? I don’t think he does.
I think the Falcons did a really nice job taking away his primary receiver while last week the Jaguars didn’t. But just because the primary receiver is covered doesn’t mean that the check down to the RB (hence all the catches by Ricky and Ronnie) is the only option. He is a 2nd year starter now. He needs to make his progressions better in the passing game.
I don’t know the offense or see the route combinations. But he has to be able to go from one side of the field to the other and complete passes to all his weapons on any given play. I don’t see him doing that now.
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yeah I was thinking the same thing watching the game
I think right now as he grows more comfortable in what he’s doing is better than him hanging on to the ball too long. The passing game does look very predetermined though.
by metalhead86 on Aug 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the problem with all young QB's
Atlanta probably dd some gameplanning while Jax didnt. Hopefully Henne learns on the fly
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no. This is his 3rd year and 2nd year starting. When does he stop being a "young" QB?
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It sure doesn't seem like he does
but his head isn’t on a swivel per se,like a lot of QBs,so I think it just looks like he doesn’t.
He seems to be looking at the FS pre-snap and then looks at his primary as soon as he’s taking his first step back,I assume to identify coverage right?,and he takes it from there and if he doesn’t like what he sees then he scans but if he does he locks on.
On the inc.with :38 before the half he looked at no joke Marshall,Fasano,Martin,Fasano,Marshall,Fasano,Martin then back to Fasano when it was batted down,on the tipped int. he looked at Fasano,Hartline and Cobbs on that four play sequence alone and even though his head movement is subtle you can clearly see it move towards different areas. I assume a more demonstrative head and/or body turn would make defenders bite harder and maybe that will come later but from what I see he does go through his progressions when he has time.
Marino set the bar so high that it will never be equaled in Miami yet we always reference what he did in just his second year like that’s some kind of gauge to measure Henne,or anyone else for that matter, by and that is very unfair IMO.As good as I consider Aikman to have been he looked horrible early on because he didn’t inherit a great OL but the better it and the talent around him got(there were as many as 4 Pro-Bowlers per year on the OL alone during his heyday years vs. none his first 3) the better he did and I feel the same will be true of Henne…I certainly hope so.
by haildanhenningnow on Aug 31, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody notice
Anybody notice that it’s usually the ’’good’’ teams that have disappointing pre-seasons, and that it’s ’’bad’’ teams that have ’’great’’ pre-seasons?
Look at this year;
Good teams: Bengels 2 losses, Cowboys 2 losses, Saints loss to st louis, Colts 3 losses!
Bad teams : Bills 2 wins against Colts and Bengels, Brows win against Packers, Lions 2 wins, Raiders 2 wins, Rams 2 wins
Posted this elsewhere
I posted this on another blog, I really don’t care much about what happens in the preseason and part of that has to do on how the Colts do every year. I am not saying we are as good as he Colts (but closer than others would admit) but it is an example of what the preseason means.
Since 2005 this is how the Colts were:
2005 – preseason 0-5 regular 14-2
2006 – preseason 1-3 regular 12-4
2007 – preseason 1-3 regular 13-3
2008 – preseason 1-4 regular 14-2
2009 – preseason 1-3 regular 12-4
2010 – preseason 0-3 regular TBD
Maybe this team needs to be coached up like in the 1st year...
Its seems like now that the coaching staff is moving on to more complex offensive and defensive plans the little things are being skimped on. I dunno, Perhaps because the Dolphins have aquired this new Talent in various positions maybe the other players are getting the “well it’ll get done by these guys now” attitude. Or maybe Parcells needs to stick his nose in there a little bit more. I do think these problems will work themselves out hopefully sooner rather than later…..
I'm not really worried about the offense,
but I am concerned about the D, they may take some time to gel, but we may have lost too many games by the time we fix it, hope I’m wrong but we have what looks to be a brutal first half of the season.
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We may very well be so good on offense
that it doesn’t matter, lol
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by uncle finster on Aug 30, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you mean....
May give the defense time to get-it-together.
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Matty, I have to call you out on this
B.Marshall’s “incomplete pass” / fumble was not his fault. In watching the game, the replays showed that he had possesion with two feet down, and that it was KNOCKED out by the defender. Either way, it was an awesome DEFENSIVE play that warrants praise to the defender! This is after all, the same defense that caused how many fumbles last year, 4? 5? Watching this game, every tackle the Falcons made, they were trying to strip the ball!!
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great post..
but i didnt see special teams play in the lowlights.
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