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Which Dolphin disappointed you the most vs Falcons?

Like I said yesterday, the full recap of Friday night's loss to the Falcons will be up tomorrow night. Since it's the weekend and fewer people are clicking around the internet, I figured why put up a lengthy post today.

Instead, I have one question for you - and it's one that I've been pondering since late last night. In yesterday's game against Atlanta, which individual Dolphin's performance disappointed you the most? That's what I want to know.

Allow me to give you a few candidates to choose from:

  • Chad Henne - Our starting quarterback had an up and down game. He wasn't terrible. But I'm sure all of you were hoping for a better follow-up to his outstanding performance last week against the Jaguars. I know I was.
  • John Jerry and/or Richie Incognito - I know I said "individual Dolphin" but I had to group these two together. Both have been working with the starters for the past two weeks - Jerry, in fact, has been a starter since camp opened. But I saw both of these guys getting shoved back too often and letting guys get into the backfield. Not what you want out of your starting guards.
  • Jared Odrick - Upon re-watching the first half, I did notice Odrick getting shoved around far more often than he has all preseason. But I guess these are the typical ups and downs of a rookie.
  • Sean Smith - The second-year corner didn't start because he was late to the stadium, according to reports. When he finally took his spot in the second quarter, he got beat badly by Roddy White on a double-move that should have resulted in a touchdown. Luckily Matt Ryan was inaccurate all night, including on that throw. Still, White had a good five yards on Smith. That's a problem.
  • Lousaka Polite - What happened to the Lousaka Monster? He failed to convert on a 4th & 1 and he whiffed on a couple of lead blocks. He was a beast when lead blocking last year so I'm not overly concerned. But disappointed? A little bit.

Those are just some you may have been disappointed in on Friday night. But I'm sure there are others. Let us know below.

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Ronnie was the most dissapointng

8 attempts and 9 yards. That’s disgustingly bad. Marlon Moore has more yardage than him on a single run. Ricky wasn’t that good either.

by Farorefox on Aug 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

O-Line

The back can’t block for himself

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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Also what Polite did not convert that 4th and one.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 28, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put the blame on Ronnie / Ricky as well.....

I was watching the game on NFL.com with a buddy and he even noticed that there were holes open on either side of the huge MAN PILE made by the offensive and defensive line. If Ronnie would have cut left or right when approaching the huge man pile, he easily would have picked up 5 to 10 more yards and may even gotten past the safety to break a big one. It seems like our guys put their heads down and simply run straight, while other backs in the league make something happen…

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Ricky sometimes has a problem with running into piles but damn Ronnie was doing the same thing

He is usually good at sidestepping the POA if its not open

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 28, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long let Biermann come unabated twice in the backfield

Polite trotted into his blocks,as did RB,heck Polite didn’t even attempt to block Weatherspoon on a screen to Fasano and he almost took Hennes head off and other than Grove they looked mediocre at best the majority of the time.

I don’t care if Marino is under center with Barry Sanders and Jim Brown in the backfield,Rice,AJ and Fitz outside if you do not block you will look horrible yet some imbeciles on SS are calling for Penne to start…of course they’re either jet fans,12 year olds used to running rough-shod on Madden or people who watch a football game but haven’t a damn clue what’s going on.

by haildanhenningnow on Aug 29, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

My memory of the sack Biermann got was he came from Carey's side.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

So hard to pin that on Long then.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, then I'm confused

What did Bierman do that was Long’s fault?

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didnt even look at him on the Polite 4th and 1 where Biermann

just ran behind Long and hit Polite in the BF.I’ll have to scan through for the other one but it did happen twice.

by haildanhenningnow on Aug 29, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought that might be one of them.

Are we sure Bierman was Long’s assignment? that play is an inside trap and both LT and LG block down on it usually.

Seems to me either Bieman was supposed to bite on Brown going wide and didn’t (influence block that didn’t work) or someone, a TE probably was supposed to come from the other side to get him (blown assignment). Long fired out like he figured Bierman was someone else’s responsibility…maybe he did blow his assignment but that’s rare for him.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very rare indeed but since there wasn't a TE beside him

he must’ve thought Polite had that assignment but as Nat said somewhere the mistakes being made are pure mental and can/will be corrected.

Several times one missed block was the difference between a minimal or no gain play verses breaking a nice run or Henne having the time to meet our expectations,like last week,when everyone breathed a sigh of relief after a great outing.

by haildanhenningnow on Aug 29, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not impressed with Odrick

I know he’s a rookie but I haven’t heard his name called at all.

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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

He hasn't shown anything yet

I’m still holding out judgment, but he could have made a nice play on the one run, but let the guy get around him and outside, and he doesn’t get pressure on the qb, not like anyone really did for us. Wake had a few pressures, but no real pressure. I just hope we are holding off until the reg season on our blitzes

by pj521 on Aug 28, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Alpha6 on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't been watching him much...

but it sounds like he is eating the double team

by metalhead86 on Aug 28, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a 3-4 end

Your not gonna here much out of him even if he’s playing well. Odrick is a rookie that is still learning the technique. He’s probably learning that everyone in the NFLopposite him is gonna be as strong or stronger than him. I’m not worried about Odrick since he has the drive and ability to get the job done

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 28, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 28, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

well we have Rolly lumbala just so Polite doesnt take those unnecessary pre-season hits

He needs to shake the rust off now that the games will start to matter. He will

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 28, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder this as well

It can’t be easy on his body to be causing the sort of violent collisions he was last year. I don’t blame him for holding back a little bit in the meaningless preseason games. I will be concerned when I see him doing it in a regular season game.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 31, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vernon Carey

The end on that side motored by him like he was standing still, all night.

Jerry/Incognito would be my 2nd pick.

by urbino on Aug 28, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

The whole O-Line in a tie

No running lanes.

Falcons were consistently in the backfield making plays or tripping up the runners. They tightened up the pocket around Henne and forced throws, or made him throw the ball too hard, resulting in drops.

Even when things were going okay, Long commits a holding penalty that ruins a drive.

The offense will never find a rhythm as long as the O-Line continues to play like that. I hope with this game being a “dress rehearsal,” some of these guys will take it to heart and play with a little more tenacity and toughness and above all that, smarts.

Lets be honest, the O-Line has been doing this all preseason for the most part. Maybe Sparano is tinkering too much? I don’t know…but clearly there’s not enough depth to keep promoting/demoting as a means of motivation.

Remember all the success the defense has had in scrimmages as well? Those guys need to get it together.

Runner up: D-Line, tied. Forget the exotic blitzes we hear about from Nolan that will be here once the season starts. These guys aren’t generating much pressure in their standard defenses. Worrisome.

My hope is that in not trying to show too much to other teams before the season starts, it just appears that these are problems right now, but it will improve once the season starts.

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by mikem1224 on Aug 28, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Worrisome but not surprising

Despite adding Dansby and ushering Wake in the starting lineup this is still basically the same unit that lost us a bunch of games last year

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Langford – same
Starks – new position
Odrick – new
Misi – new
Crowder – same but didn’t play last night Dobbins – new
Dansby – new
Wake – new (to OLB)
Davis – same
Smith – same (but Allen stargred last year)
Clemmons – new
Bell – same.

I get six new and 5 same, with 5 of the front 7 new.

Looks like a fundamentally diffent unit to me.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The games we lost last year were a team effort.

Say what you want about the defense, we still gotta score points, make plays on special teams and also out-coach the opponents.

I think our defense is poised to be better this year. I also think the O-Line can get it together. It takes time.

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by mikem1224 on Aug 29, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our return teams

I know you asked how a specific player but man our return teams are bad – give up lots of yards and rarely gain yards past the 25. We seem to always lose the field position battle.

by ColoradoFinfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree to a point.

The team is having too many mental mistakes, which is the one thing that the coaching staff preaches against. So why are we still having 12 men on the field? Illegal formations and so forth. Stuff like that cant happen with a team of our caliber.

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by dolphin341 on Aug 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can't, and it shouldnt

But alot of these penalties/big plays allowed are occurring because of a mishap in communication on the field. Also this year there’s gonna be more offensive penalties then previous years with the new position of the ref. Peyton Manning was getting called for illegal procedures. Peyton. Manning.

by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 28, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crist was the illeagle formation, J.Long's fault? False start's were his, cuz the call's say so!

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by wild zion beaver on Aug 28, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess being a west coaster has its perks

If I was in S.FL, I’d be lured into those preseason games too!

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by Red Dog on Aug 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Seriously.

You can’t Micro Manage your O-Line the way he has done and expect them to perform as a unit. The center position calls all of your blocking assignments and is key to everything your line does.

by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

O-Lines

You have 2 returning starters in your LT and RT. You have 2 Guards starting outside of their Natural Positions. And you have a battle between 2 guys to play center. Our O-Line seems to play better with Berger. Yet, we know Grove is a better Player when healthy. This is a problem when you have a head coach playing to much with something. IMO

by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Berger

He is starting because he started last year when Grove got hurt. Berger is smart and if all is equal he should start end of story. I like Grove more, but, you have changed both guards out from last year. Richie is a natural right guard. Jerry (IMO) is a natural right tackle. You’re asking these guys to play positions that they have not played before. I saw Jerry pull last nite. Which says something about his athletic ablity, but, it is still relatively new for him. Changing one guy out from interrior line can be absorbed. Changing all three is tough to overcome. To many people think these guys should be able to play any position and perform at the same level. These guys are not on the same page. (IMO)

by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jerry as RG, Thomas as LG.

I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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by PotM on Aug 28, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas can't protect the passer. That is why he isn't starting.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find that hard to believe, as

Gs get better protecting the passer as they age, like fine wine. Also, we are not NO or IND, we use the ground game to open the passing game, otherwise we would make a move for VJ as that would put us over the top. Incognito is ‘ok’ in pass protection but it seems he isn’t the mauler Thomas is.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Thomas is a good run blocker. I believe that even Sparano has said as much.

But if he is a good run blocker, then why isn’t he starting? Why didn’t he start last year every game that he was healthy? It has to be his pass blocking.

Keeping Henne upright is the most important thing for the OL, not run blocking. IMO, Thomas not starting is the coaching staffs way of making that point.

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by ct1361 on Aug 29, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Incognito is just as good as he is in pass protection

and not as good as a run blocker. PA is crucial to Henne’s development as he put up great numbers last season doing it. PA isn’t effective w/o good running

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by PotM on Aug 29, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

thomas has been publicly

challenged by Sparano for being inconsistent…

and i agree, there are some issues in his pass protection also…. but the fact that Jerry frequently is beaten on stunts and yet just started game 3 … tells us something too….

(obviously they like the upside of Jerry enough that they are willing to let him work through his learning, because he is a beast of a run blocker)

although i wouldn’t be surprised if in week 2 the line is long, garner, grove, incognito, carey.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I guess that honeymoon is over

The silver lining is that if you think Sparano is the reason for concern then you’re past the point of thinking he’s a Parcells puppet.

Tony Sparano is well on his way to being the second best coach this franchise has ever had. Just my opinion.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

Hence the use of “on his way”

He already has a record. He tied the NFL record for the best turn-around in a single season.

What’s harder to do?: be a rookie coach who takes a 1-15 team to 11-5 or a rookie coach who wins 13 games with a Super Bowl quality team?

Which accomplishment would require more “coaching.”

The man is driven, highly organized, prepared to admit, adapt to and learn from his mistakes (see Josh McD-Ego) and straight forward about what he wants from his team and players. These are all characteristics common to most successful coaches.

Follow up question: Who is the second best coach the Dolphins ever had?

Wannstedt, Wilson, JJ, Cameron, lying #%^# who shall remain nameless? The road to number 2 is not all that long.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

got it, but the term in your post is 'well on his way" -- different than the more quotidian 'on his way.'

i think we are aware that tony and parcells, working off a no. 1 draft pick left them by the 1-15 season, and a relatively low-grade competitive schedule, turned things around.
last year, was year 2.
 i’ve read most of the longer pieces available on sparano, the move from new haven and the drive and love of the game, and maniacal attention to detail and to details of loyalty. he deserves respect, and as a fin fan i’m rooting the hell out of my lungs for him and the team, while still feeling rather free to raise issues and disagree, for all that it matters.
i’m just saying it still feels a little premature to have him well on his way to being our second greatest coach, even if that’s not saying much as you point out, at a time when the jury is still ‘out,’ if not ‘well out,’ on the question.

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by a1a on Aug 29, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't argue with any of that.

I would think, and apparently be wrong, that the significance of what he’s accomplished in his short time would have cut him more slack around here.

The Jury is always out I guess. The only time it’s dismissed is when someone retires or dies.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sparano

While I have confidence in Sparano, Wanndstedt or JJ are probably the ones that could be considered our second best coach in our history, which is pathetic. Simply put, being #2 on this list doesn’t mean much at all. Wanny had more successful seasons, but he pretty much relied on the defense JJ assembled.

by Finhead83 on Aug 30, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Sparano would be second if you ask me and then Jimmy would be third. I think

if Jimmy’s heart was still in it he could have built something here. Wanny comes in fourth by default.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 30, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah and Shula is still the king.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 30, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reason Lousaka failed to convert that 4th and 1

was because a Falcon went unblocked, and got to him before Lou knew what was happening. The line as a whole was disappointing last night, but I think this whole pre-season the run game, which is attributed to the line, is a major disappointment in my eyes.

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by dolphin341 on Aug 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ill give you one that wasn't mentioned OC Henning

i was just upset with the plays being called in certain situations, I really don’t have words to describe how frustrated I was watching this game the other night. Also can someone tell Henne he has multiple options when standing in the pocket like a statue. O and how can I forget, the interception in the redzone!!! YOU CAN NOT EVER DO THAT AGAIN HENNE!!! But I don’t blame him, even though his eyes seemed glued to Fasano. You know who’s fault that is? It is the offensive coordinators fault. It’s his job to remind Henne we have a number 1 receiver named B Marsh, and if your ever gonna glue your eyes on one player in that part of the field, it should be the beast. I completely blame Henning for that bone head play.

by ricenbeans82 on Aug 28, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

im cautiously concerned about henning and the play calling, but maybe

they’re doing recon to see what the defense reacts to in a particular formation or play, the wildcat plays have purposely been VERY vanilla, u know brown or marshall will be involved in some throws out of it, but i hate when were too conservative and ryan is taking shots down field.

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by sonnycrockett on Aug 28, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, the INT was off a tip does anyone know if it was a WR that tipped it or a defender

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Linebacker underneath

Henne probably didn’t see him past Carey. It was Mike Peterson, he went up like a soccer goalie and tipped it.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

every QB has those moments, cuz you can't see the guy

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by PotM on Aug 29, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Credit where credit is due. Peterson made a good play.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea he timed it perfectly

It was even worse because it happened right in front of me ,( i was in the 2nd row) and it all happened in agonizing slow mo.

by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 29, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chad Henne

He had a quick release, BUT not going through his progressions fast enough. Lock in on 1 WR or check down is exactly what he did. STEP IT UP. Henne

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by Stats407 on Aug 28, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Odrick was fine as well as misi

Roddy White is a top 5 WR IMO. i expect him to beat sean smith, Henne missed some open guys and Mike Peterson made a heads up play tipping that redzone pass up in the air, but Matt Ryan also missed some wide open guys. The O-Line was the most dissappointing, they gave little effort in the running game. As for the team as a whole, we were terrible on 3rd down and it was still a close game, we were 2nd in the entire league on 3rd down last yr!!!!!!! i expect alot more come reg. season when we start calling better plays, it’s almost like their showcasing how open fasano is now with the addition of marshall so teams have to worry about him and then in the reg. season they switch to marshall, just my gut feeling. so as awful and uninspiring our play was, it was still a close game, keep in mind the jets look even worse, sanchez has been abysmal and the pats just lost to the worst team in the entire league, its preseason, im holding off judgement til i see our playbook come week one and if we’re too conservative or not. Get the ball to marshall! plz!

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by sonnycrockett on Aug 28, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

these comments on polite

need to ease up. really. he was perfect last year, 16/16 3rd n 4th downs with was it 2 or 1 yard to go? i think a couple of us are spoiled by his unreal consistent reliability. this is preseason, and you can only be perfect for so long. he was bound to not convert one, eventually. this means nothing. it’s just good that it came out in the preseason and not in some critical time during the regular season. big lou (if you have an idea of his character) knows the best that he can never be relaxed. this will probably bother him much more than you’d think. i wouldn’t worry about polite he understands the trust amounted in him by the coaches/team

by berryyyy on Aug 28, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't blame him at all, the O-line was terrible,

The defender came in untouched, I’m sorry I don’t care how good you are, you won’t gain yards without at least some decent blocking.

by Maguss on Aug 28, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looooooouuuuuuu!

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by urbino on Aug 28, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could comment but

after listening to the game on radio (for the first time ever), I gots no clue.
But if the RB’s were getting nowhere I figure I can make an edumacated guess as to who’s the goat(s).

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by Tunaflipper on Aug 28, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I was POed at the line all game... was terrible

they missed blocks down the field and couldn’t control the line of scrimage.

by metalhead86 on Aug 28, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roddy Whites double move on Sean Smith

I just want to say that this wasn’t a TD thanks to Wake. We haven’t had him rush pretty much at all in any pre-season matches but he just so happened to have been rushing the QB on this play and Matt Ryan was force to throw a bit earlier than he wanted too.

Just saw Matty honing this one on Matt Ryan playing poorly the last few days and thought it’d be worth throwing out there.

by metalhead86 on Aug 28, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, that play was perfectly made for SS

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

did pat white play yet?

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by dolfinfan34 on Aug 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah he came out looking confident and ran the ball a couple times...

all in all his game time was worthless considering the level of competition at that point.

by metalhead86 on Aug 28, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on

At least give the kid credit where credit is due!! His throws looked strong and he looked confident. I was actually pleasantly surprised with PW’s performance.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 31, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember when PW meant something else..................

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by Alpha6 on Aug 31, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Sporano

There were just too many issues to blame it on a single player. Penalties, a key player showing up late, special teams kick return coverage, no run offense to speak of, an offensive line getting pushed all over, WR’s inability to catch, the defenses inability to pressure the QB, a overall lack of motivation, you get the point.

Don’t get me wrong, all is not lost. I still have VERY high expectations for this year and think Tony Sporano is the right guy to get the job done with this team. But last night’s game was not what we had hoped for, not by a long shot.

by Schwanson on Aug 28, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Chad Henne didn't play bad at all, by any means.

The one thing I’ll admit he definitely did wrong was stare down Fasano on that one red zone play. Other than that he made some great throws, he just really didn’t get any help from his receivers.

by BigPuma23 on Aug 28, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jerry and or Incognito,

were really poor in my opinion, and it’s supposed to be a strength, can’t help but be disappointed at that.

by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Jerry was solid all night

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

no just sucks

I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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by PotM on Aug 29, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

henne

neeeds to get better about touch passes, decision making, and not so many wobbly passes

by dolfanstanley on Aug 28, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Weecho85 on Aug 28, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I was not disappointed in Vontae Davis. Our kickers were solid.

Some of our drives looked good but got bogged down in penalties. I think their heart wasn’t in it and that motivation has to happen at the top. if Sparano undervalues these preseason games than perhaps the players are, too.

I’ve neither seen nor read any comments of this sort from Tony. I’m simply speculating at the “ho-hum” attitudes.

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by kdock on Aug 28, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think LOU was a reach...a big reach.

Hartine…another drop. We continue to look like we’re in slow motion. I"m not talking about producing big chunks of yards…but just being a quick team.

by Phins4life2334 on Aug 28, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Henne its time to grow up in NFL terms,

its go time for him, i think he can do it, but will he, only time will tell. He has this year and if he does not progress alot we may see some CP in some games towards the end. Maybe even a QB drafted early for pressure on his position. I think he should be fine , not a great QB , but a good one.

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by 21Dave on Aug 28, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously? one 'ok' game from our QB and you want him to get shafted?

Save the apocalyptic talk for when he throws 20 picks in a season. He did fine all night

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by PotM on Aug 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

What game were you watching?

You act like he was pulling a Ryan Leaf out there. Without Henne our record would have been worse then 7-9 last year and as much as I love Penny, he wont win that many games for you (he wont lose them either tho).

by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 29, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And i must add it was not all his fault the line was Pop Warner level last night!!!

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by 21Dave on Aug 28, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

I don’t think the starters really care about pre-season. wait till you see the difference when we play Buffalo. Have faith guys pre-season for Vets is all about self preservation.

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by Mike777 on Aug 28, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Penalties.

Stupid penalties at the wrong times killed three or four dives.

We were 2/12 on 3rd downs, which is totally uncharacteristic and penalties are a big reason.

I don’t think you can blame Sparano for the penalites. Pre-season rosters with 75 guys are not going to function like polished, well disciplined units. If they have 9 more penalties against Dallas then you can blame him for not fixing them.

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

matty you forgot misi

not that his game was terrible – but he blew contain a couple times and pushed inside on a rush a couple times too … alot like the last 55….

but otherwise, the o-line was pretty poor… i really don’t see how jerry continues to start…. he gets a nice push on run plays, but stunts on the pass plays seem to catch him off guard (he-he) far too often. And i really don’t see why the berger is still getting time with the ones… the his blocking (run – has the largest gap) is far inferior to groves… the only thing i figure is the mental aspect – must be taking grove down a peg (remember last year – game 1 when smiley pointed out that the ‘long sacks’ weren’t JLo’s fault but grove’s because he went with the wrong snap count…. i can only assume he’s still doing things like that because i just don’t see it otherwise…

Finally – not too sure how many games before smith is in a platoon again… not sure if it’s going to be carroll or with J Allen… (if the TD was Allen’s fault – i almost think he’s on the bubble) but if he was suppose to have safety help on the inside… his play was far superior to Smith’s…

oh – and i just remembered…. if anyone wants to go back and see J Lo at his best …. 11:45-11:50 left in the 2nd quarter … jake is pass blocking on beirmann maybe…. well the falcon comes flying in to jake and bounces off him… jake loses his grasp of the defender, who will now go buy him… well jake instantly drops his helmut right into the defender and head buts the guy who goes down for the count!!!! f-ing priceless…. i should check to see if it’s up on youtube.

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by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw that play with Jake Long. You know head butting is illegal right? He will probably get fined for it.

But what a great play. I used to teach guys the head butt as a way to stop a bull rush. You extend your arms in pass protection. Grab the “handles” of the shoulder pads (where the straps are). Use the defenders momentum to pull him in tight and head butt the shit out of them! Believe me, it slows them down!

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by ct1361 on Aug 29, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup - but

if you dont get caught….

;~)

and based on your coaching teaser, it looked like J Lo has mastered the skill!

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Allen has looked reallly good playing as a boundary only corner this preseason.

Clemons was supposed to give him inside help as he was playing the outside position to take away the fade route.

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by luvs2drnk on Aug 29, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure

we can say for sure that clemons was SUPPOSE to give him, help… we can only make the assumption that Allen played like he was getting inside help and it didn’t happen… so we do KNOW for sure that one of them blew their assignment.

which one? only the coaches know for sure… if Allen starts soon - it likely wasn’t him… if he is cut in 2 weeks, well we’ll have an idea also.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

doh...
we can say for sure that clemons was SUPPOSE to give him, help

that should read we can say for sure that ALLEN THOUGHT that….

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I justed watched the play again.....

It was actually Bell who was the safety on Allen’s side. Bell bit on the slot receiver who was released after 10 yards by Cameron Wake to come up and defend the FB. What Bell should have done is give Allen the inside help he was expecting, and let Clemons slide over and take away the slot receiver. The other receiver was blanketed by Davis on a comeback route.

First 10 sec is the play in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBjex_5Ui4

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by luvs2drnk on Aug 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going with everybody listed above except Chad.

It’s not Henne’s fault that he didn’t have many completions. The WR’s were dropping catches. We’re going to miss sure-handed Camarillo.

Speaking of Camarillo, he had a great showing with the Vikings.

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by Kdog92 on Aug 29, 2010 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

The Head Coach

I"m just not all that happy with Parcells, Sporano or Ireland. I have not liked most of their drafts, the personnel moves, the head coach or the way business is getting done with this team. I’m trying to avoid jumping to conclusions but I just keep coming back to him. I’m not sure he’ll ever be a great or good enough coach in this league to win games. YEAH, I’m saying it … If we come out and start the season with crappy play again this year, I’m wondering if he might need to go. Sorry, I don’t buy all the hype and optomism, I’ve heard it all before and I’m getting too old for rainbows and sunshine. There’s a good chance this whole thing could go south. Prove me wrong Coach if you can…

by dadsmithwest on Aug 29, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

couldn't disagree more

team building…. big physical tough …. all key elements to winning in the league (see pittsburgh)

well coached team – always prepared, and they are willing to shake things up (see wildcat) and yet stick to the master rebuilding plan..

finally – they are a very young team and in spite of what you hear they are still likely a year away in the rebuilding before they are true contenders…. they are just too young at LB and the secondary…. but this is more of condemnation of the preceding fools.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has a point.

Well coached? Sorry but did you watch that game, and our last 3 last year, the coach is responsible for getting the team ready to play, he has been failing in that regard, he drew a line in the sand before this game, saying we were a playoff team, (rex ryan anyone) this was a game to show who we were, etc. and the team fell flat on their faces again.

And the rebuilding has been weird, we changed A LOT this year, shouldn’t we be fine tuning, but no we are NOW rebuilding the D in their 3rd year, so please lets not blame someone else for that. This is not circa 1980s, you don’t have forever to rebuild anymore.

I do agree that we should expect mistakes and growing pains, but if we are under 500 at the end of the year it might be clean house and bring Cowher in time, not sayin, just sayin, that is the way it is in this “what have you done for me lately” world.

by uncle finster on Aug 29, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

This is only my opinion, but the team doesn’t look prepared. That is on the coach. One of the best gauges of coaching ability is mental errors. Well coached teams are mentally prepared. They don’t line up wrong. They don’t have too many men on the field. They catch passes (dropped passes are a sign of not being mentally prepared). They don’t drop blocking assignments.

From the end of last season and through this preseason I have not been impressed with the coaching of this team.

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by ct1361 on Aug 29, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this happens in the season then its a problem

You have all these different guys moving around and trying to learn new things, there is gonna be mental errors out there. Their are so many other teams having similar problems with mental errors on the field, yet no one complains about their coaches. And those teams are playoff teams, other teams that you probably think are in the top tier of the NFL. They have the same problems, because its preseason. Its preseason and every starting player knows this and to certain extent the coaches know this as well. Preseason is used to find which players will contribute on your team and acclimate rookies to the NFL and evaluate players. Preseason is much more important to rookies, walk on’s and fans, then it is to the average starter.

by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 29, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can it be safe to say that they're playing possum?

Perhaps they are just getting players ready for playing, but have many packages and plays they dont want to put in play because they want to take the leauge by surprise.

I really believe next week preseason will be the dress rehersal. I think they’re still trying to figure things out.

That may sound stupid but I don’t believe that this team’s ceiling is falling on them as many would profess.

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by rangerjae on Aug 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Team effort

Seems like the first two teams have been playing to not get injured. I think we will bring it next month. The coaches have been using pre-season to get the starters some time together and evaluate potential special teams, practice squad players and have used team practice to practice schemes. Remember we never advertised the wildcat in the ’08 pre-season, but they were working it in practice. Working it enough to pull it out and spank the Pats with it, so pre-season is not necessarily a reflection of schemes, just a time to get the starters together and evaluate talent.

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by phatfinfan on Aug 29, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

About sean smith

am i the only 1 worried about him starting? because it looks like he gets burnt almost every game.

by Ph1nAt!c on Aug 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems like he gets beat every other play

I really hope that it isn’t like that during the regular season or it will be a long year!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Incognito is not smiley

I was disapointed with his lack of push and lead blocking. I sure hope he is saving some of his emotion for the game or this could be the worst move this offseason

by Dolphin13 on Aug 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

After watching the game today id have to say both sides played respectfully against a good team.

The key was penalties and missed assignments, basically mental errors. Henne played well with the exexception of the int, he missed hartline wide open in the corner. The o line missed some key assognments that cost some yards. Misi and francis played well but needs to stop getting sucked inside and hold the edge on tuning plays

by D0lphins4Life on Aug 29, 2010 8:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

People should run more tuning plays.

I hate it when the game gets out of tune.

(Sorry. Couldn’t resist. lol)

by urbino on Aug 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

SHOULD OUR STARTERS PLAY THE 4TH PRE-SEASON GAME?

I hear the Vikings are planning on playing their starters for most of the game. Does anyone else think our players might be able to benefit from another game together before the regular season starts?

by JerseyGuy77 on Aug 29, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

DAN HENNING

he continues where he left of last season….

i really hope he does the mike nolan thing and doesnt want to show anything….

watching the Saints vs the Chargers the other night….thats the way you call plays. you attack. Playcalling has bin very mellow and boring at best.

by Crowder 911 on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Disappointed??

As fans, who are we to be disappointed? Are we supposed to be loyal and supportive??

Hey Matty, put on some shoulder pads, and try to tackle Michael Turner, or keep up with Tony Gonzales. Ever try to block a 300 pound DT?? Didn’t think so.

Why don’t we try to keep things a little more upbeat and positive. If I were a player on the team, I would avoid this site for negativity like this.

This site used to be about supporting the Fins. It’s kind of turning into tabloid media.

I hope having an independent opinions doesn’t get me banned again. Mr Thin Skin might not like anyone disagreeing with him.

by BigJLovesYou on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

*fixed*
As fans, who are we to be disappointed? Aren’t we supposed to be loyal and supportive??

Why don’t we try to keep things a little more upbeat and positive. If I were a player on the team, I would avoid this site for negativity like this.

This site used to be about supporting the Fins. It’s kind of turning into tabloid media.

I hope having an independent opinions doesn’t get me banned again.

I went ahead and took all the douche out of your post to make your thoughts more coherent

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome back i guess? as a whole it isn't wise to express your

opinions on politix, religion, and the sort.

I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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by PotM on Aug 30, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The funny thing is,

your thinking isn’t independent, it’s whatever the FO tells you to think, so if you get banned again by Mr Thin Skin it won’t be for independent thinking I can assure you.

by uncle finster on Aug 30, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I am feeling the love on this site this week!

LOL….man, one bad preseason game and we become angry! Oh and this isn’t directed at you Finster. It’s a sumation of all the comments as a whole.

Was I disappointed in the performance against the Falcons? SURE WAS!! Could everyone have played better? MOST DEFINITELY!! Do those games mean a damn thing? NOPE

I know we are entitled to opinions as fans but I am going to reserve bashing players or coaches until the game actually counts. I don’t know who BigJLoveYou is…but he does have a point that this place is starting to become very negative in nature.

Now I realize the over-arching topic of this post is negative in nature so it goes without saying that asking a negative question is going to bring out more than it’s fair share of negative answers. That’s to be expected. I just hope that it isn’t the tone of the website from here on out.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

You and BJ stick around… it’s really not that bad… even when there is some non-positive thoughts and comments.

The excitement and potential of the team is still there. These seem mostly detailed/individual performance comments on how they did, not the team as a whole. Everyone knows the value of coaches holding back, having plain vanilla plays, and just plain evaluation of players.

Folks here don’t mind individual opinions… that’s what the blog is all about… and to have decent convos. But personal attacks are not tolerated here. And in my opinion, BJ continues his agenda. His comment have nothing to do with “which player most disappointed”. It was directed at the man who runs the Phinsider, Matty.

I agree with Finster. I know exactly what he was saying. In fact, he toned it down to what should have been said. But I know Finster (as I do others here), and he is very diplomatic first.

The comments here are the product of the question in the title of this post. And many differing opinions are noted. That’s all. To make broad sweeping comments that this place is a tabloid is not only false but inciting and insultive to everyone.

BJ has been given a second chance, but his return reminds me of a very old saying… “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”

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by Alpha6 on Aug 31, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you Alpha

But I can honestly say that on front page posts as well as the Fan Posts, there seems to be much more of a negative tone.

It is my “uneducated” opinion that this is stemming from the positive off-season moves and the new Defensive Coordinator leading to (in my opinion) some rather unrealistic expectations. The fact that the “results” of the preseason game hasn’t mirrored those expectations is causing some of this “panic”, or “negativeness” so to speak.

We are still a very young team, with a young QB and a young defensive core group, that I think is going to take a little time to really gel. Believe me, I feel everyones desire to see the fins do well. I would love for us to make a deep run into the playoffs. However, I am personally going to restrain from such a negative tone.

This isn’t addressed at any one person in particular, just the “tone” of many of the postings.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 31, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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