Dolphins fall to Falcons: Three quick thoughts
After nine consecutive preseason wins, the Dolphins lost their first preseason game since Tony Sparano's head coaching debut back in 2008. Neither team looked particularly good. But in the end, the Falcons were able to get into the endzone twice en route to a 16-6 win.
Here are my three initial thoughts on tonight's game:
- I guess Vontae Davis was the only player who got the memo about a game being played tonight. Vontae was outstanding all night - a good sign for sure. But what about the rest of the secondary? Jason Allen proved tonight that he is not a starting NFL corner. And if the Dolphins were looking to showcase him, that didn't work. Sean Smith, meanwhile, didn't play much better. He was beaten badly on a double move by Roddy White. Luckily, Matt Ryan looked terrible tonight and missed the open receiver - one of his many misfires. If Ryan was on target, this game could have gotten ugly.
- At what point do we worry about the Dolphins' ground game? Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams combined for a whopping 14 yards on 12 carries. The starting offensive line created absolutely no running lanes for these guys - consistently getting shoved backwards. I know we all have assumed the Dolphins will be able to run the football this year. But at some point, they need to actually - you know - run the football effectively.
- Drops, drops, and more drops by Miami's receivers. I counted at least four drops between Brandon Marshall, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, and Anthony Fasano. Can anyone explain to me why these guys who have had damn good hands in the past suddenly can't hang onto the football? I just don't get it.
I'll have the usual wrap-up story to follow in a day or two. But for now, I want to know what you all are thinking after this disappointing performance in what was supposed to be the "dress rehearsal" for the regular season, which is just two weeks away.
[Injury updates: Joey Haynos was seen on crutches and wearing an air cast on his right foot. He will go for tests tomorrow. Jake Grove had an icepack on his left shoulder after the game but that doesn't seem major. Karlos Dansby said he got hit in the knee and just wanted to have it checked out after the game. He had a precautionary x-ray but said he's fine.]
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My concerns exactly.
The line looked terrible, Smith looks awful and no one can catch. Also, vontae should never, ever give another interview.
Tom Brady,
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This was a disgraceful showing!!
I’m starting to think that this team isn’t as good as i thought .I know it’s preseason but they looked aweful!! And like Matty said Vontae was the only one who showed up to play!! The ‘O’ line sucked, couldn’t open up a hole for a flea to get through and the pass protection sucked as well. The special teams looks like thier in a race to the finish line instead of trying to get to the ball carrier. They just seem to run right past the kick/punt returner. I’m not looking as forward to the season as i was a few weeks ago thats for sure and i was realllllly looking forward to it too. Being a Mets fan could also have something to do with that too. They suck too.
Was at the fake spike game against the Jests !!
I saw plenty of holes but no cutting action by our running backs....
I’m sure they will review that on the film. You have to give Atlanta’s D some credit there but while I was watching the game I couldn’t help but yell why they weren’t cutting to the left or right of a huge pile of guys. In either situation they would have been one on one in an open field. I’ll take that chance anyday.
To me it looks like we have a really good team but everything needs to click for that to happen. Once it does click, then the team needs to be consistent. Consistency is the key.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the way they called the plays, it seemed that
the Falcons actually gameplanned and we didn’t
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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You don't typically game plan in preseason...
Although if there is any game planning, its done in this game.
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But they knew some of our players weaknesses and exploited them (pass to white
over SS somes to mind) while we didn’t gameplan at all.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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We SUCK AGAIN!
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
Not sure what happened the line.
The ground game looks atrocious. Didn’t feel like there was enough pressure on the quarterback. Receivers look average as they have in the past. I know Brandon Marshall is a beast, I believe he will play like one during the regular season, but not impressed with any of them lately. Quarterback play by Henne was okay. Vontae was the highlight on D, and then not much else. Special teams coverage looks spotty. Concern is growing in my eyes. I’m glad we get the bills the first week. Hopefully we can get the rust off properly.
If ou look at our WR's outside of Marshall we ahve a slow TE, a slow 2nd WR and a slow slot WR
When they drop balls when they somehow manage to get open it makes them damn near useless
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The drops just continue to stun me
It’s like an entire corps of Ginn! Please wake me up when this nightmare is over.
mentioning of ginn remind me...
Wish we had a proper kick returner
Carroll was good
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Ugh that was terrible
I guess the only silver lining is that it’s just a pre season game still and we can’t hit that panic button just yet, but we play Minnesota on week 2 so they better get their ish together fast.
Someone needs to put a strobe light in Harvins face when he gets off the bus
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
New season...same old routine
I hate to say it but it’s time to call out Sparano. Another year with a team that is not ready to open the season.
Da Mick
Its crazy that we think our line is a strength and then they turn around and get embarrassed
Plus all the silly mental mistakes that you’d think our team wouldn’t make.. Parcells may need to pull a Pat Riley
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Seemingly every year for the past 5-10 years or so...Indy goes winless in the preseason...
yet their fans don’t have much to worry about as it is a) veteran team, b) loaded with talent, and c) QB’d by Manning. So for that kind of team to not put much stock in the preseason is understandable.
For us on the other hand, it seems like a vital assessment of where we are at as a unit, as well as individual players.
And wow, it seems like we’ve actually gotten worse, not better, with each of these games. If it were merely the 3rd stringers giving up big plays, with the starters having done their thing….you could understand not being concerned.
But tonight? Penalties galore, the Ted Ginn syndrome (aka dropped passes) spreading like wildfire, no holes or production from the running game, and a swiss cheese secondary once again.
Ugly, just ugly.
We can right the ship, but sheesh, time is running out fast.
BURN THE #19 JERSEY!!!!
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
NAT is right on the money
Now I am concerned – really I was very optimistic after the JAX game, but we have totally gone backwards now. Is it time to panic – no… but really this team is NOT ready to open the season yet…. coaches are still in preseason form too… the O – coord ? Henning ? COME ON MAN… stop with all this 3-5 yard passing, and stupid running plays – when the D KNOWS its coming…. Not saying “give away” the offense – but how does it help to practice this BS ? we need to practice downfield passing and pass protection – SETTLE THE OLINE NOW !!!! make a F n G decision and stick with it.
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by AussieKen on Aug 27, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so glad I stockpiled a coupla hundred bottles of water
and lots of kitty litter.
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget the SPAM since it has more intrinsic value than gold
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am ashamed to be a Phin fan right now..
I know they will bounce back but this was atrocious tonight. Everywhere. The O line is horrible.. the Henne looked terrible. Im not so sure that CP10 shouldnt lead this team into the season. The receivers.. ALL of them looked like they didnt care they were playing.. as Dan Marino would say “lets see some urgency out here” The D couldnt stop anyone from running let alone passing. Hell Redman looked better then Henne tonight. We have zero pass rush really.. I mean we are not producing enough sacks to win a high school game. Like Matty said the only real beam of light here tonight was Davis. This is pathetic.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !
It's going to be much more different in week.
Let the culling begin and the pressure lay in!
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 27, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta does not have a good defense... wtf happened?
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The closest NFL team to me is Buffalo
There’s a franchise to be ashamed of.
Oakland is a team to be ashamed of.
This is not a team to be ashamed of.
God almighty the starters ended up the first half down 10-3 to a team everyone thinks is playoff bound. They got one TD on a blown coverage from our fourth (5th) corner. We drove the ball down the field in the 2 min drill and but for a tipped ball would have tied it.
Ones on ones…could very well have been 10-10. Or 17 – 10 early in the 3rd when Pennington got us down inside their 10.
They did not game-plan for the Falcons. They used the game to evaluate some of the 25 people they’re going to cut next week.
Shame shouldn’t enter into it becasue a loss (like a win) means nothing at this point.
If you want to get annoyed at something. Look at the quality of all the games last night (pretty much ugly across the board) and think about the very real possibility that in 2012 this is opening week.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This.
After watching the 1st half during last night’s late re-broadcast, and watching the 2nd half today, I didn’t think the ones looked nearly as bad as I expected based on this post and the comments.
The only thing that really jumped out at me was the O-line play. Vernon Carey in particular. I don’t think I saw him make one block, the entire time he was in there. I have to think, though, that we’ll get that problem sorted out before long, given Sparano’s record as an O-line coach.
In general, my sense was that we still have some gelling to do. Not surprising, given how much turnover we’ve had from last season.
Now, the 2s and 3s, they looked pretty darn bad.
preseason
we arent showing our blitzes. vanilla d. corners are in man 2 man all game.
offense is vanilla. we are runign ti up the gut receivers are running little outs nothign serious. we are very timid in our play calling stop getting so ancy. the sky is not falling we just arent playing the way we will in the season. the wildcat has no wrinkle the flow of our offense is not what it will be.
why doesnt nayone see the positives. are we not seeing marshall gettign wide open on more then one play? dansby covering tony gonzalez (who killed us last year)
bell gettign a plick
vontae causing a fumble and having a bazillion plays
pat white playign well (yeh i snuck that in there)
hartline playign strong (a few drops but he had some seriosu catches in traffic)
Henne making good decisions
carroll improving
its not a big deal we played a sloppy game it happnes its preseason so its good its sloppy they have alot to work with and their throwing alot of people in, in different positions.
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Not sure what game you watched...
but our Defense made them go 3 and out many times without even any unique blitzing, if any blitzing at all!
The only weakness on that defense was Jason Allen. Also, once the 3rd quarter hit, all of the teams backups were in and who cares what happens after that.
The concern I had was DAN HENNING, his playcalling is HIT or MISS. We had a 2 minute drill opportunity and he tries to RUN the ball TWICE! Wasting our 2 TIMEOUTs and placing HENNE in a Goal line situation with only 10 SECONDs when we should have had 30 SECONDS!
Also, I have yet to see the throw to Marshall on the scimmage line that Denver use to run all the time with him that he was very successful with. That alone tells me that Dan HENNING is not being all that creative in the preseason and needs to shape up for the regular season.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They just wanted to get their one allowed loss of the season out of the way in the preseason.
Say, anyone else have some more of that kool aid?
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This WAS the most important pre-season game
Its time to panic
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^^ yup
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !
by MainePhinFan on Aug 28, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
There's never a time to panic unless....
your team is 0-15….then it’s time to panic. Till then, anything can happen. Look at the Titans last year, starting 0-8 and then finishing 8-8. They look like a tough team to beat this year….
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
i know its preseason but damn wtf is goin on. our oline looked terrible in run game chad henne still looks shaky on tuch passes and we barely got any pressure on the qb
Frustrating!!! 6 points???! :-(
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by GEtSICK13 on Aug 27, 2010 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And we have no rain to blame it on this time =/
Let this season BE GINN!
it's a preseason game
relaaaaaax… it’s about as meaningless as a college spring game
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this^^^
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all we are doing is evaluating players not trying to win a preaseaon game. Since when does winning a preseason game matter?
I saw a lot of things I liked, Vante making plays, shoot even though there where some drops there was plenty of catches to be happy about.
All these little problems people are freaking out about are problems that can be fixed with plenty of playing time in the regular season. Indy sucks giant gorilla balls in the preseason. Why do we need to justify are play in the preseason when super bowl contending dont even care about it.
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I should have stayed home....
I looked forward to this game all week. Killer 50 yd line seats, free parking pass, and I got off work early. At least it didn’t rain.
blasphemer!
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 27, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Were sandbaggin'
week 1:
Buffalo 10/ Miami 33.
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Also, I am a huge fan of Adrian Zmed! Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock!
and that ain't this talking...
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2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Also, I am a huge fan of Adrian Zmed! Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock!
They better go back into the bubble
because those clear skies F’d them up!
2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
Dance Fever and TJ Hooker rock! Long live Adrian Zmed!
Camarillo?
Someone tell me why they got rid of Camarillo when they have had drop issues all pre-season?
Oh, and Hartline got banged up. Any news on him?
If he gets hurt we have Marshall and Bess as the only 2 reliable pass catchers. I’m not sold on Fasano yet from 1 pre-season game against the Jaguars.
by hbkDolphins on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 28, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
^^ this
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !
by MainePhinFan on Aug 28, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Some of the drops were Henne's fault (let me explain)
You see there are some moments where Henne doesn’t have to put so much juice on the ball. He has to learn that he has to throw his receivers catchable balls (velocity wise). Don’t get me wrong these guys are paid to catch whatever, but if Henne wants to build a chemistry with his receiving core he’s going to have to learn something called touch. For example on one play Henne evaded the rush and hit Bess in the middle of the field but he dropped it. Now Henne threw a strike when it wasn’t quite necessary.
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Yeah sounds like Henne
God you’d think he would have learned that by now from what 10 or more years playing football
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea man
When the situation calls for it Henne should let it rip but there are some throws that just dont need to be that hot
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Tell that to Brett Favre as well.....
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Brett Farve has touch :)
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell that to his receivers lol
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lol good one
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it was necessary on that play,
it was between two tight defenders. That was all on Bess.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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But just overall there were more instances
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he actually has improved his touch passes though
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 28, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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true but he still has a lot of work to do
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Its only his first full year as a starter
He’s going to have ups
He’s going to have downs
He’s going to be inconsistent.
He’s still developing……lets cut him a little slack….not a lot, but a little.
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Im aware of that
but if this is the year hes going to breakout theres some things that need to be tweaked
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say this is the year he improves...
Next year he breaks out.
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thats fair
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Henning shouldn't run the ball twice in a 2 minute drill....
So that we could have had a short goal line opportunity with 30 seconds left instead of 10 seconds left. That coverage was all over the place, we could have then run the ball twice down on the goal line and probably scored…NOT ON THE 50 YARD LINE!!!
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And why I am starting to think CP10 give us a better chance to win games if his shoulder holds up.
As you are so fond of pointing out DB we have no deep burner anymore so.. why do we need Henne’s arm if it causes so may drops cus its comming way too hot for the receivers?
Maybe CP10 should be running this offense?
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
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by MainePhinFan on Aug 28, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That is true
I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Pennington manage this offense, All he needs to do is throw it up to Marshall and he will get yac. And we already know how effective Penny is using the tight ends. If there was any year we could win with Pennys arm it would be this year (supposing our defense plays up to standards
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Lets stop with the Pennington Talk....
Pennington is the Back up….he will remain the back up.
Instead, think about how lucky we are to have such depth at the QB position after so long.
Teams like Arizona or Buffalo would KILL to have Pennington as a STARTER, much less a back up.
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I know he's not going to be the starter on opening day but im jus sayin
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Pennington will not be the starter unless Henne gets injured.
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pissed when they put Pennington in....
because Henne could have done what he did and at least had a positive drive out of it….
I was glad to see Pat White go 4/4 and make a nice little run for a first down. He looks more comfortable.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
woohoo! White! how good were those completions?
were they lame ducks or were they actual NFL type passes?
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They were four pretty decent throws
The first one was an out to the right and he had a reasonable amout of zip on it…someting we didn’t see once last year.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good, o if this is what White is, not just a few good plays
by him, it makes all of this interesting as White is a special player
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I'm not ready to announce the second coming of Pat White
especially since there hasn’t been a first.
But he looked confident, all things considered. He threw the ball well, ran for a first on a rollout and generally looked like he belonged on an NFL field. I was happy for him to be honest.
What that actually means is anyone’s guess.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That is why it is interesting, who do you drop if
white steps up?
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At the risk of getting stoned..
IF the FO is confident White can do the job as QB3 then the thing that make the most sense to me is: try to trade Thigpen, who would have more trade value (some) than White anyway.
You’d like to go from 4 QBs to three and get something for one, rather than just cut one loose.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Alln wasnt being showcased
Smith violated a team rule, Allen is a lock to be on this team
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
Oh also
Vontae is going to be the best corner in the AFC East…he is the complete corner, as good as he is in coverage he can also lay the wood in the run game
Marlon Moore is not only going to be a lock to make the roster, but he will also make plays this season.
Oh and Paul Soliai is primed to breakout as well
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I'll let that one go less I sound like a JEST fan
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Vontae is going to be the 2nd best corner...
unless something wonderful happens. And I think we all know what that is….
Killswitch still gives up too many damn big plays....
He’s Jekyll & Hyde out there….
He’s still got growing pains, but sheesh….at least he played better this game
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Like every rookie corner does
In case you forgot it was his 1st year as a starter, I expect to see lockdown coverage this year. And he had a hell of a game, he practically shut Roddy White down
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He did play well this game....
But he played horrible the last 2.
I’m okay with it, since its preseason, and the defense will look NOTHING like what we’ve seen so far when the real whistle blows….
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Thats what Im saying
when he gave up those plays in the 1st 2 games I wasnt really trippin off it because I already know when the games count foreal Vontae is coming to play
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
JA was on him at least half the time in the first half
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and he scored on JA
Im talking about when he was being covered by Vontae
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Revis gets shot in the leg?
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
that too
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Marlon Moore a lot and I think as the season progresses he will become bigger and bigger!
He made a nice end around and plays with a lot of energy. When he gets the ball, he looks to make yards, not duck and drop to the ground.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
O yea last but not least dont be surprised if
Ikaika Alama-Francis beats out Misi for that SOLB job
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Misi isnt an OLB
I’m convinced of that now from watching him. He’s not strong or athletic enough to rush the passer. Ike is our best option right now since all were getting from our SOLB is a run stuffer.
Hopefully we can transition Misi to ILB over time
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 27, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ike has been so
garbage this preseason. What the hell do you guys see in him? I’ll name just a few plays he looked lost. The fullback touchdown last week he got beat so bad. The fullback ran right across his face, and didn’t get any contact. The cutback by Jennings last week he gets jacked up by a slot wde reciever and then falls down. I know he is a project, but he flat out sucks right now. I would say an unathletic Matt Roth is a good comparsion.
by vaneasy2338 on Aug 28, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
They miss their boy toy, Roth
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Don't be surprised if IAFgets cut, he has done absolutely nothin.
What is he really good for? Absolutely NOTHIN’!
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Im glad
Im not the only one. It would be one thing to do nothing. He has done a few of things all of them wrong. He sucks in covergae, can’t rush the passer, and is inconsistent in the run game.
by vaneasy2338 on Aug 28, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
his best plays are when they run away from him, as he doesn't have to do anything
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Say it agin!
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you've been watching the same games I've been watching.
He is a lock at this point, and I think you might want to prepare yourself to seeing him start, as much as that may aggravate you, lol, he is definitely stronger against the run.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I like him, and I think he can be effective
but I’m not sure if he’ll ever start here. The best plan really is to build him up and trade him for something nice.
I would like to see him take the SOLB spot
and move Misi into Crowders spot, Misi and Dansby in the middle would be sick, I mean flat out sick, add Bell and it’s Bermuda triangle sick.(I’ve already got a nicname for when it happens ;^J)
Ike sets the edge well, he takes up space, and he has a very good motor, he has great SOLB potential, he has looked dominant on some plays, lost on others its true, but he recovers quickly and recognizes his mistakes, has come a long way in a short time and that is very impressive, he just keeps getting better.
Wake, Dansby, Misi, Francis, who knows, could be a dominant LB corps for the next few years.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I like where you're going, but....
One BIG thing I noticed about Ike is that he was gulping for air like a senior citizen marathoner in Mexico City between every play. He’s strong but he’s gotta get some stamina quick……and you don’t get that quickly!
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Well
It’s a good thing he’ll be a situational player during the regular season and won’t see as many downs.
I have no idea
what film you guys are watching? Ike sucks. I have seen him get jacked up by a slot reciever, I have seen him get sucked inside. I have seen him get beat like a drum in coverage, and I haven’t seen any pass rush. He sucks.
by vaneasy2338 on Aug 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's what film your watching?????
Jacked up by a slot WR?
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is unlikely, but he was pushed back by TEs
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Ike
That’s not too surprising for a player learning a new position. For him being a backup, I’m not too concerned. I did notice both he and Micah Johnson had some reps with the first team last night. To me, Johnson looked pretty well and I think his chances for making the team may be going up. If not, I think he’d be a great PS candidate.
It was in the Jags game.
Their slot comes out and hits Ike right under the chin. Ike almost falls down, then tries to recover and does fall down. Im not making this crap up. It was on the play where Jennings cutback for like 25 yards, and most of it due to Ike.
damn i missed the game
but you guys are panicking….. no matter how bad we played in that ONE preseason game. its only one game.. wait till there is a full 60 minutes of football being played by starters. our guys are good and we know that. no need to get discouraged now.
Everyone take a deep breath.
It’s going to be OK. It’s just preseason. Everybody is working on their timing and gelling with each other. If the were the regular season than the panic can be pressed.
The O-line looked terrible because it’s currently in musical chairs mode so they’re going to be out of sink.
Recievers I’m giving a pass due to I feel they’re still gelling as a unit and getting use to each other and the QB.
Not worried about the secondary, especially Sean Smith, because they’re getting use to Clemons so the communications is going to be bit off with a first time starter.
Everyone calm the freak down. Rome wasn’t built/conquered in a day.
We need to have Thomas start over Incognito.
that was the difference between JAX and ATL. that and the opposing d-line. I think that Soliai and Starks should alternate at NT. Soliai for clear running downs and Starks for everything else.
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Wow
Everyone needs to relax. Its PRE-season, and you and I as fans can say how much week 3 is so important, but players know its still PRE season. The O-line didn’t just forget to block, WR didn’t just forget to catch. Relax. If this is happening in week 3 of the REAL season then you can panic, but once again this is PRE season. I don’t see Colts and Eagles fans jumping off cliffs.
by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 28, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
Yah, I'm just glad we haven't had any horrific injuries in the past 2 games....
We all know that the team is going to do whatever it takes to win games once they actually count.
I like how our defense looks (Crowder does make a difference though), our offense will be great once they click a bit more, Dan Henning needs to shape up a bit, Marlon Moore is going to be exciting to watch this year, and nice name there Fin Fan Forever :)
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
3 Preseason Games, No Tackles For Odrick!
Someone needs to tell him that as a starting DE, he needs to make a tackle every now and then. I am beginning to wonder how this is even possible. He has had to play at least 50 plays and has yet to record a tackle or even an assist.
I starting DE should have something. A 1st round pick, starting DE, definately should have something. I’m beginning to wonder about him.
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maybe they are so scared of him they are running away from him?
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Don't worry about Odrick. He's played well.
Stats don’t tell the story for defensive linemen in a 3-4.
What game were you watching?
Ya. He played well if his job is to take up space in the Middle. Grade A+. Tackles, and getting to the ball? D. Play to the whistle. Rookie. I hope his motor is better than that. 3 down only 20 more to go to the dance.
You want the d-line in a 34 to take up space and blockers, that is what
Odrick did.
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Not to mention the defense that we've been seeing
is not the defense that will take the field in Week 1.
Nolan has shown us absolutely nothing of his packages in the preseason.
Why is it fans don’t ever get that?
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You have to be able to generate a pass rush out of your base,
you can’t rely on blitzes for all your pressure because good blocking teams will victimize you.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
or great QBs. but they tend to tear you up anyway.
Wake is looking pretty good though
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Wake does look good,
but he’s not getting a lot of help, lets hope they put it all together for week 2.
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by uncle finster on Aug 29, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why do the other DE's that are playing (Langford, Douglas, McDaniels) actually make plays?
They occupy blockers. They make tackles. And they have played better than Odrick this preseason.
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Do you think that the other teams are looking at Odrick and saying that he needs to be double teamed but if Douglas is in there he can be single blocked?
Douglas, a starting DE for the #1 ranked defense in the league, doesn’t need to be doubled but a rookie playing a new position does? That is the basis of this debate?
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Douglas
Well first, Douglas’ role on the Jets wasn’t exactly huge. He was the least worrisome player to OL on NYJ’s front line. I don’t know why teams have chosen to double Odrick, but they have. So yes, that is the basis of the debate because it is a lot easier to make a play when it’s 1-on-1 rather than 2-on-1.
DE's get doubled on the majority of run plays. Especially if they are at the point of attack.
That is the point of the 3-4. I think it is safe to say that whoever plays that position is getting doubled. Yet Douglas makes plays. McDaniels makes plays.
Odrick will. He is just not there yet. It doesn’t mean I think he is a bust. It just means he isn’t ready. Give him some time.
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what does "if they are at the POA" mean?
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If the DE is lined up over the LT and the play is being run at the LT, the DE is at the point of attack.
Another way to look at it is Frontside and Backside. A Frontside DE has the ball carrier running toward him. The Backside DE has the ball carrier running away from him. Frontside is at the POA.
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not the way i'm used to that terminology being used.
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The position Odrick is playing is the right DE
He is lined up over the offenses LT in a 3-4. If you start numbering the holes: between C and LG is the 1 hole, between LG and LT is the 3 hole, between the LT and the TE is the 5 hole, and anything outside the TE is the 7 hole. A DE in a 3-4 is considered at “two gap” player meaning he is responsible for 1/2 the holes on either side of him. For Odrick, that is the 3 and 5 hole. Anything that the offense runs at the 3 and 5 hole would put him at the Point Of Attack.
That is how I learned and coached the terminology. I am sure that there are other coaching methods and terminology used by different teams. Sometimes I take for granted that everyone uses those terms in the same manner that I do. Sorry for that. :)
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 28, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He's doing exactly what they want him to do.
He’s eating up blockers and pushing the outside of the pocket.
If you see him going backwards then he’s not doing his job.
He’s a rookie lining up against everyone else’s best lineman. He’s drawing double teams and getting in the passing lanes. He looks good.
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First off,for the first time on this site,im kind of ashamed,not because of the way this team played,but for how a few of the fans on this sight are reacting to a poor performance
People,this is preseason,and this is our team. Either we need to stand behind em and let em do their jobs,or maybe a few people should look to become saints fans,at least if they start losing again,the paper bag will do some good.
Personally,i was incarcerated the year they went 1-15. But every chance I got to watch them play,every chance I got dolphins info,i was excited,that one game against the ravens,that kept us from having a winless season,well,i felt like we won the superbowl.
You know,for all the jokes we make about the jets,raiders,lions,and whatever other winless teams out there,the one thing I gotta give them credit for,is their fans dont play the flip flop game. Year in year out they,support their teams,idk what ekse to say but this. Stop,breathe,and wait til the season starts before you start worrying about where this team is at or isnt.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Aug 28, 2010 4:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's weird...
one of our best drives was engineered by Pat White…interesting.
Davis looked like a shutdown corner. I’d like to say it’s only the preseason…but that performance last night was pitiful. Let’s hope for a good season opener against the Bills.
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guess i’ll just have to watch the replay, lol
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I"m going to step away from this site for a little while. Stop being so dang fickle!! We’re awesome…….OMG we SUCK!! Flipping relax…. i know we have high expectations of this year, and we’ll get it together. I’d rather have us look poor in the preseason then to think their shit doesn’t stink. Hopefully they come out and work harder and tighten up. I am worried about that dang o line though….It looks slow and weak.
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Ya. Ya. I know. Just Pre-Season. Yet habits form from this. Henne. Sloppy, slow to read the D. Run game non-exsistent. I do not know what Dan Henning wanted to show with that performance. I guess nothing. Sp. Teams. Awful. Dfense… Ok!… I was totally shocked how terrible that team looked. Report it as you see it. This is a 7-9 team that needs to make marked improvements NOW!! Jobs on the line and that is the play we get? Very disappointed. I am so sick of the lack of effort in some of these games. C’mon get it together. Now, we get to see all the kids swimming for their lives play against Dallas. Great game this will be. The W’s have to start somewhere. Why not Pre-season? Habits! We need to start having better winning Habits. Vontae Davis, played with a lot of energy! Do not tell me that I am panicing and I am overzealous about the pre-season. This was a test of talent in the third game of the Pre-season. Grade IMO D. I hope this doesn’t carry in to Buffalo. We never play well in Buffalo. Except it for what it is people. They have a lot of work to do!!
The W’s have to start somewhere. Why not Pre-season?
They were 4-0 last pre-season then started 0-3, dug a hole we never really climbed out of and finished 7-9.
History has shown there’s very little carry over from pre-season to regular season.
Hard to develop habits when you have 75 players, one third of whom won’t be there opening day.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
OH NOES!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!
Id like to show yall two different qb stats for these 3 preseason games so far:
QB#1: 31 for 51, 396 yds 3 tds, 2 int, 1 fumble, 1 sack
QB#2: 26 for 47, 293 yds 2 tds, 1 int, 2 sacks
QB#3 32 for 50, 331 yds, 2 tds, 2 sacks, 1 fumble
Fairly comparable right? I mean yeah Qb#1 threw for the most yards but he also threw the ball the most (barely but still), threw two picks and fumbled and has played two of his games in a dome (and had his worst game against THE BILLS). QB#2 has the worst stats of the three but has turned the ball over only once and played a full game in just awful weather. QB#3 has the best overall stats (especially if you consider his opponents) but his numbers are still close to the other two.
Wonder who they are?
QB#1 is Peyton Manning, #2 is Henne, and #3 is Brees. Also consider that Manning has faced the Niners, Bills and the Packers which I would say is very comparable to who Henne has faced (ala a loser, a fringe contender and a most likely playoff team).
Point is, Henne is fine, and if I can just dig up that much positive stuff for Henne, Im sure I could do it for the rest of the team. So lets chill guys and remember that the Pats lost to the Rams just a few days ago….yeaaaaaaahhhhh (case in point: ITS PRESEASON)
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Yea! Like Henne belongs in the company of Peyton and Brees. RIGHT!
by tony goodstuff on Aug 28, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, based on those statistics at the moment he does.
All that means is Henne is playing as well as Manning and Brees are right now. The idea was to reasure us that the franchise is not necessarily sliding into the Atlantic at the moment.
That’s cool information in my mind, as I haven’t been tracking the Colts and the Saints.
Frankly I don’t understand the logic behind shooting down anyone’s comparision to anything.
You can compare Henne to any other quarterback in the history of the NFL if you want to. All it does is give you an idea of where they stand relative to one another. If we compare Henne to Joe Montana or Dan Marino we will discover their careers dwarf his. The comparision does not imply he belongs in their company. Similarly if we compare Henne to John Beck or Cleo Lemon, Dante Cullpepper and Joey Harrington it doesn’t mean he belongs in their company either.
Brees and Manning are two of 32 starting NFL quarterbacks, they are two of the best to be sure. But Henne is also a starting NFL quarterback and he’s going to get compared to the other 31 every week.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
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Manning and Brees have nothing to prove,
they both play on teams that were in the SB.
Henne still has to prove himself, that is the difference, you can’t compare Henne to those guys.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure you can.
And through that comparision we learn Henne, Manning and Brees are all playing about the same level right now.
That doesn’t mean he’s as good as they are. It just means they’re having similar Augusts. For Saints and Colts fans it’s a non-issue. For Dolphin fans a sign of hope.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Brees and Manning have nothing to prove though,
Henne does have something to prove, so it’s not the same, the game doesn’t mean the same thing to those guys.
I don’t think it’s the end of the world, it’s one bad game, but there is no comparison to made there, if all things were equal then you could compare, but all things aren’t equal, they are proven elite QB’s, most likely both on their way to the HOF, Henne on the other hand is still trying to prove that he is a quality NFL starter.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If you can remember, Bree's best year came with the 5000 yd season and
no playoff spot. Manning stats in the bowl was not impressive, it was their running game. To sum it all up, it is the sum of all parts that win superbowls. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, Marino did not, so what’s your point. Henne could be just as good as any of these guys. manning won only a few games his first year starting.
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by fin4three5yrs on Aug 28, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what your talking about,
your comment doesn’t seem to have any bearing on what the discussion was so I don’t know how to answer you, sorry.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But when guys like Manning and Brees play bad in the preseason
no one panics because they are franchise/superbowl winning caliber qbs. Henne is still unproven in that regard so there will be skeptism
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lol no joke
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Henne looked like the Tin Man before he got oiled. Talk about late releases, he was pathetic. Pennington looked like the young guy and Henne looked like the vet who is hanging on to a fading career. If Dolphin history is any indicator, they will stick with Henne ,use Pennington at the end of games when they are so far behind that he will get picked off on any drives he attempts,release/cut/trade Thigpen and keep White ( Who will make Lemon look like an Allpro ). But don’t worry, all the “Experts” on this site will tell us how wonderfull everything is if we just believe. My posts about Henne were met with snide remarks about how I didn’t know shit, so far I haven’t been proven wrong yet.
Wow
Please explain to me why you think Henne is so bad….not only does he come close to measuring up to some of the best now playing this preseason, but hes right in the pack when you compare him to every other qb thats around his age in the league and honestly if there is a huge difference its most likely a divide in the talent of the teams overall not the qb (such as comparing him to Flacco or Ryan who both have had much more talent to work over the past two years)
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He’s bad because, even with having the gift of a strong arm he is unable to throw deep passes with any accuracy. When a deep pattern is completed by him it’s more in line with ( 100 monkeys at 1000 typewriters ……. ). He’s worked with Marshall since he arrived and they can’t even agree on where the routes are being run. Did you see the game? He’s painfully slow in judging receivers breaks and makes no attempt to evade rushing defenders. It’s like he’s a 120 volt electric motor running on 12 volts. Thigpen has the drive and quickness that he is lacking. His completions come by playing the same game as Pennington, but without his smarts. If he’s gonna play like Pennington, give me Pennington not him. And please don’t give me ( Thigpen throws to many interceptions). I don’t know how old you guys are but I was a season ticket holder for over 12 years I watched them all, and as great as Marino was, he put the ball up into traffic many times, because Clayton would come down with the ball no matter how many defenders tried to prevent it. He had DRIVE, spit in your face mentality, he threw it when HE wanted too and the defenses had to adjust to him. Henne is like David Woodley, no emotion, no drive. He’s not the QB of the future.
by tony goodstuff on Aug 28, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm that long ball to Ginn against the Jets was right on target
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by tony goodstuff on Aug 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Give him some time and those long passes will get completed.
We saw what would happen last week against the Jags
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Ummm yeah i get it but it did not take Henne 100 tries to complete a long ball
when he took a shot down the field most times it was right on or dropped by Ginn,ask Ginn Harline and even Braylon if he can get the deep ball where it needs to be not to mention the only time Henne took a shot down the field is when Ginn or Brian smoked the corners you could not expect Henne to just toss up a long ball in coverage to these guys because they were and are not big and physical enough to jump up with the corner all over them and pull down the grab
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Yes, because as you said early
You would rather have Pennington throwing. So you want him to throw those deep passes???
by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 28, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not commenting on what you know or don't know.
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Yea! Like Henne belongs in the company of Peyton and Brees. RIGHT!
But that reads like a snide remark to me. Did I misinterpret?
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he didn't.
That is a prime example of only taking a small part of a larger post and focusing only on it, taking it out of context, and responding with a snide remark.
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by Chupathingy on Aug 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Yes his 300 yds games mean nothing. The fact that Pennington played just as bad against the Falcons 2nd team means nothing right? Or the fact that the ball was floating on Pennington on a couple plays. Why arn’t you coaching the team, you seem to be so brilliant with such insight as “keep White”.
by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 28, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
let the emotional overeaction continue
this is Henne’s team. he is going to be fine.
by scrappy the wildcat on Aug 28, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions
took the words right out of my mouth
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Actually I'd be worried if I were you
You let the rams of all people tear your defense up, you better hope you don’t play the Packers anytime soon
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The Colts lost to the Bills....
The Colts gave up 50+ points to Green Bay….
they’ll still win 12 games this year.
Its preseason.
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The regular season needs to start already
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by Deuce Black on Aug 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Yeah the Rams beat the Pats, but just barely. The Pats only had possession of the ball for like 16 minutes the whole game. They started off with a lot of 3 and outs, but they figured out what they wanted to do in the second half and then really started scoring. You think that the Pats organization is going into an unbased panic and throwing in the towel on the season because they lost 1 preseason game to the Rams? No. Teams play the preseason to evaluate players, determine areas of the game that they need to practice more, and to get people again used to playing with full contact before the season begins. That’s it.
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by Chupathingy on Aug 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Observations From The Falcons Game (Now That I Was Able To Watch It!)
Vontae Davis might have played his best game as a pro last night. He was very good. I don’t know how accurate this is, but he seemed to be targeted more when him and Smith were on the field together.
Dobbins and Dansby played well in the middle of the field. Pretty good run defense and very good pass defense. Dansby is really good in coverage.
Odrick is not the best DE to be starting right now. Both Douglas and McDaniels right now are playing better than Odrick, #1’s vs #1’s. Odrick is not fighting against pressure and is being taken where his blocker wants him to go. He was a non factor for the 3rd week in a row.
Jake Long is a STUD! It is a pleasure watching him play the game of football.
Jake Grove, on the other hand, looks lost. No push. No desire. Couldn’t get to the MLB. I don’t know if he is playing hurt but he was just bad against the Falcons.
Hartline ran routes well but looks uncomfortable using his hands to make a catch. If he is on his feet and the pass hits him in the chest, he makes the catch. If he has to go down to make a catch or use his hands it is a drop. It looks to me that he is lacking confidence.
Marshall is the real deal. It is going to be fun watching him play this year.
Henne, I can’t figure out. He is too robotic (I know that is his nickname), too calculating. He is fine when his primary is open (like last week) or when he checks down. But there is more to playing QB than that. He doesn’t get to his secondary receiver well. He doesn’t move the secondary with his eyes. I don’t know if he sees the field.
I am sick and tired of dumb penalties with this team. Too many men on the field. Not lining up correctly. Those are inexcusable! Sparano needs to start chewing some ass!
After watching the #1’s vs #1’s, this game wasn’t as bad as what I read or heard about. Sometimes you have to remember that the other team is pretty good too. I don’t know if the Phins are ready to take the next step or not. To me, it really depends on Henne. If he can be good and more importantly consistent, I think the Phins will be good. I just can’t figure him out.
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by Renaldo Pierre Brown on Aug 28, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was there & was in shock, for most of the game before leaving early in the 4th Quarter!
We looked like collage player’s, playing against all pro’s. I might of puked if i’d stayed any longer. Brian Hartline was a true ray of hope, but as soon as he started to show sum promass-he was not addressed to, & he was hot. Yet he was not given the chance to inflict to much more damage, til his rythem had cool down. Then he started dropping the passes that he was catching earler.
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
Guys....
Indianapolis has won 6 preseason games since 2004…. thats a record of 6-25 in preseason…. yet every regular season they won 12 games.
Its preseason.
The coaches get it.
The players get it.
Why don’t the fans ever get it?
Relax and breathe…… What you see on the field now, is NOT what you’ll see on the field in Week 1. The defense has shown us nothing of their packages, and the offense is vanilla as well….
I do however suggest that the receivers stand in front of a jugs machine for the rest of the week…. another game with 5+ drops. ugh.
Grove is losing that spot to Berger….
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On 6 of the 10 passing play's that were rite in front of me,I could clearly see the starting QB (Henne) was not given enuff time to throw a screen, which imo wood have been a very wize move. Strong as the pass rush was but alas even the OC did not
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 28, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
when you win 12 games a year the preseason has little meaning.
When your trying to put together a team of young players and trying to get over the 500 mark it’s a little different.
If all things were equal I’d agree, but they are not equal.
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by uncle finster on Aug 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back CLS
Wow, I only read a 1/3 of the comments and I’ve already seen these:
1) It’s time to panic
2) Start CP over Henne
3) Why did we trade Camarillo
4) Someone is ashamed to be a Dolphins fan
5) Odrick is busting
6) The OL is struggling
If you’re ashamed to be a Dolphins fan in the preseason, go root for the Raiders or something because they’re undefeated so far. We don’t need people who are ashamed of Miami anyways. Yes the OL didn’t play and Miami lost, but this happens in the preseason. The Jets’ offense has been considerably worse, yet how m any of them do you see panicking? The Colts are notorious for going 0-4 in the preseason, but again they keep their cool because they know it’s only the preseason. Was the performance disappoint? Yes. Does it mean we’re in for a bad year? Not by any means. I don’t care if this is the dress rehearsel for the season because during the season, it’s a 4 quarter game, not a 2 quarter warmup. There is also scheming that goes into it rather than base packages. Just remember how quickly thoughts changed from week 1 to CLS to week 2 about the offense about to break out… my how fast perceptions change.
Odrick isn't busting. He is playing a new position against better competition that he has ever faced.
Right now he isn’t as good as the veterans that are playing behind him. He needs to learn. I think he should be a rotation guy, not a starter. Let him learn the position. Maybe by mid season he will be ready to start. But based on what I have seen, Douglas and McDaniels are playing better this preseason.
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I don't know what game you all were watching
Yes they lost but Henne played much better then you all are screaming about.
He had a number of great third down throws that got erased by either drops or penalties. He looked sharp and only had a few throws that were actually bad. You guys get far to dramatic about the bad throws. Every QB has bad throws.
so...
when sparano said the 4th QB wouldn’t play…does that mean Thiggy is 4th since he didn’t play???
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It would seem that is the case. I don’t think that means Thigpen is 4th on the depth chart though. Sparano probably wanted to make sure White got some reps was all.
To Tony Goodstuff, Henne will progress with reps
He is only in his second year and again has to get acclimated with a different set of receivers. There is only two qb’s that I can remember that came in with a big bang, their names were Marino and Warner, but look at the corp of receivers they had when stepping in. Your assessments has no basis. As for Manning and Brees, look at their stats and win/loss record their 1st year and look at Henne’s.
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Same Old Story - What are these guys doing in all these OTA's and Training camp?
Stop saying… It’s just preseason. You play like you practice and this team has shown it every year the first 3-4 games of the season. Every fan has the right to say what the Hell Sporano? He has paralysis by over analysis. This is more evidence of an uninspired team sputtering and misfiring on both sides of the ball without direction. Every year now, inconsistent offseason and then a poor start to the season. You’d think after the last couple of training camps they’d learn how to get the team focused and playing decent football by this time of year.
There are a lot of new pieces to the puzzle this year and ....
sometimes it take a little while for those pieces to come together. Marshall had surgery so the timing between Henne and Marshall will take a little time to achieve, but once it does it will be great for both of them. Hartline is only in his 2nd year and now it looks like Marlon Moore / Patrick Turner will be behind him and those guys are newer to Henne.
Defense wise we have a bunch of new guys as well and there will be growing pains. I’m glad we start at Buffalo and hopefully it’s a positive game for us.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So explain the Colts then?
Or the Pats? In 08 we went 0-2. The 1st game we should have one if it wasn’t for Farve threading the needle and one of the corners falling to the ground to give the Jets the go ahead TD. The Cardnals game, are secondary got shredded by the NFC champions and of course our offense had nowhere near the explosiveness it has now.
In 09 we went 0-3. The 1st game was one of pure sloppy play all around, but this was after the offense looked pretty good in the preseason so it really doesn’t matter how they are executing for 4 PRE season games. The 2nd game the Dolphins executed offensively , but the defense couldn’t hold up (something they continued to do in the season) and even with that we were a Ted Ginn drop away from winning that game. The 3rd game, Pennington goes down and when ur starting QB goes down in the middle of a game your probably not winning regardless.
by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 28, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yah, things have bounced the wrong way for us for a while....
I sure hope they swing the other way this year….it’d be a nice change for us. That fumble that Ronnie dropped on for a first down that the referees messed up the review on was pretty heads up. That’s the kind of stuff that needs to bounce our way during the season.
Once our team starts game planning, I think we will tighten up and be more consistent.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 28, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they will be more consistent in the real season as well.
I think the problem is most people expect this team to be using the entire playbook and going all out for these games. The purpose of the preseason is to find out what works and what doesn’t work in a game situation and find out what players can fill the roles needed on the team. If preseason is an indicator of how teams will perform the Colts are gonna be average and the Raiders will be the team to beat in the AFC. No team thinks of the the 3rd preseason game as the most important, its still preseason. The media is the hype machine behind that notion, the only truth to that is generally the lineups that start the week 3 preseason game are the starters for the regular season, other then that its meaningless.
by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 28, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But remember Henne last PS? he looked good, so it is good
fo evaluating projects, new guys and backups
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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But remember Henne last PS? he looked good, so it is good
fo evaluating projects, new guys and backups
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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We R not the colts!!
Comparing this team to the colts in anyway shape or form is rediculous. I do not care what we did last year, the year before,…. Manning is Great. Brees so far has had 1 great yr…. Not ready to call him great. Henne? The guy didn’t even want to look at photos of dfenses in the last two games. I see Manning! Yes Manning ! checking out photos ot the D! In pre-season! I question the work ethic. I hope to shout that he proves me wrong!! I say CH is maybe top 20 QBs in league….Colts win 12 games a year #1. Weak conf. South has been the one of the weakest in AFC. #2 GREAT QB. Being a Wolverine fan I have seen him play for a long time. I know what this kid is capable of . I just think the work ethic is lacking. A great game against JX isn’t saying much. I was hoping to see a better performence out of him for 3qtrs. I hope he didn’t give himself a grade above a C- or even a D.
the lions went 4-0 in the preseason and then went 0-16.
preseason has no holding on the regular season
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Ok
You just said Brees has had 1 great year… Just one? Really? Ok ill move on. No one is comparing Henne and Manning. And you should never compare any QB’s worth ethic to Manning’s. And Peyton really doesn’t check photos on the D that much in preseason. The only time i can think of this year, was after he made a terrible throw/read that got picked off by a rookie. God forbid people actually realize that this is preseason and Colts fans don’t expect that from Manning in the real season. I expect to see a more experienced version of the QB that had several 300 yd games, kept us competitive game after the defense imploded, and won a couple games with his arm. You know the things he did in the real season, not a preseason game.
by Fin Fan Forever on Aug 29, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Brees came withing twenty yards of breaking marino's passing record the year before the super bowl
In 06, he came back from rotator-cuff surgery to take an abysmal franchise all the way to the NFC Championship game. And every year Breeze’s team gets better around him, in turn making him better. So…

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