Dolphins acquire CB Benny Sapp in exchange for Greg Camarillo
by Matty I on Aug 25, 2010 5:56 PM EDT
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PrintAs has already been talked about a lot today (and thanks to those of you who have posted about today's trade), the Dolphins dealt from a position of strength to improve a position of concern on Wednesday when they sent receiver Greg Camarillo to Minnesota in exchange for veteran cornerback Benny Sapp.
The 29 year old Sapp is entering his seventh season after spending time with Kansas City and, more recently, Minnesota. Last year, Sapp started seven games for the Vikings, though he didn't exactly excel. According to Pro Football Focus, the undersized corner (5'9, 190) allowed 40 receptions on 57 targets - averaging 10.7 yards per completion. Opposing quarterbacks had a passer rating of over 103 when throwing in Sapp's direction last year.
But what Sapp dos bring to Miami is experience playing nickel corner. He's a guy who isn't afriad to mix it up and throw his head in there in run support. He's also a core special teams player and will likely get mixed into the coverage units sooner rather than later.
For Camarillo, the writing has been on the wall for some time, I suppose. Everyone has been calling Brian Hartline and younger and faster version of Camarillo. Greg, though, will always have a special place in the hearts of Dolphin fans. He worked hard to get where he is today and was the hero of the infamous 2007 win over Baltimore. So this trade was probably hard for many Dolphin fans to swallow.
But you have to wonder what it means to this team. Does it say that the coaches are confident in receivers Patrick Turner and Marlon Moore - the two favorites now to round out the receiving corps on the final 53 man roster? Or does it show how concerned the coaches are about the cornerbacks?
Will Allen still hasn't returned to practice since having a procedure done to clean up his knee. Nolan Carroll struggled in his time as the starting nickel corner on Saturday night. And Nate Ness didn't have the kind of stand-out game many were hoping for.
Today's trade is an interesting move that's going to impact many players who are hoping to make this team. With that said, be sure to pop in tomorrow to check out the updated "roster bubble."
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we coulda done better
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
Probably right
A guy that hadn’t dropped a pass and had 50 receptiosn and was decent on third down too should have gotten us a little better. If we end up cutting Sapp…
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Going to miss Camarillo
But our secondary is seems lacking. I suspect Allen is still hurting and his early season return to play is suspect. Carroll looked pretty bad in the nickel this preseason, so I understand the FO’s reasoning for this trade, but…..
Is this the best trade we could have made for a CB? Time will tell.
I know nothing about Sapp and look forward to seeing what we have aquired in the upcoming preseason games.
lol
So you couldn’t find a better picture Matty?
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by Deuce Black on Aug 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think he's making his statement?
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I hope he intercepts Sanchez..!
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
^ this!!!!
Laces out!
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Camarillo.
I’ll never remember that day. I had recently lost my job, and I was on the way home to watch the game when I crashed my car. Not badly, no injuries, but financial disaster.
Get home 3.5 hours late than I intended, realise I’ve missed the game. Turn on the tv expecting to hear about how the Dolphins will almost certainly be the first ever winless team. Instead, I’m looking at a coin toss. Overtime.
We all know the rest, but considering my mental state, it was the greatest Dolphin moment of my life. I nearly cried, I’ll admit it. And even if we win a Super Bowl, that will always be my favourite Dolphin memory.
Thanks greg.
Football isn't a matter of life and death - it's far more important than that.
everybody remembers their moment.
Laces out!
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Awful move
It makes me puke inside my mouth. We should of gotten something better! Vikings win on this. We gave up clutch for below average??? I would of been happier with a low draft pick!
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
To make it worse
Vikings fans don’t think Sapp would of made their team. The FO did a horrible job on this one.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So your assuming there was a better trade to be made out there?
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
A draft pick would of been better. Sapp wont be on this team for long. Bank it. How could you not sell a receiver with zero drops that shows up at crucial moments? Cam puts W on the board. Even though he doesn’t get TD’s.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But your making assumptions there. Your assuming that a team was willing to give
up a pick for him. If this was the best deal they could make vs. releasing him for nothing then its not a bad deal.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
we did get younger at the receiver spot
but if Hartline goes down, then it would have been good to have Camarillo around.
"I likem me some UDFAs"
I agree but it was going to come down to a tough decision either way and I think Cam was just the odd man out.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically I feel we got nothing in return for Cam. That’s how bad I think this deal is. We should of just let him walk.
40 receptions on 57 targets – averaging 10.7 yards per completion. Opposing quarterbacks had a passer rating of over 103 when throwing in Sapp’s direction last year.
horrifying numbers.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That was as a starting CB and he will be playing the Nickel here.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
we shall see
he has a lot to live up to, to call that trade fair. I’m going in as a doubter.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately...
Unfortunately, those numbers include Sapp’s time as a nickel CB. Antoine Winfield and Cedric Griffin were Minnesota’s starting CBs. Sapp only started when Winfield was injured.
Sure but they are not the breakdown.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
True
I’m not exactly sure how I’d feel for Sapp being our nickel CB all that much. I will definitely be paying close attention to him during these final two preseason games.
I agree. I hope he has something.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 26, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense 54 but I will trust the football knowledge of the Phins FO over the
varied opinions here. I am sure they saw whatever he had as an upgrade or they don’t make the deal earlier than they would have had to.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
none taken.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sheep though
If they do something i don’t like, I’ll point it out. Even if my football knowledge is inferior.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No I agree but I have to trust them on this one as like most of us I
have not seen him play the Nickel but if Matty says hes good in that position then I will go with it till I see/hear otherwise.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What other teams have CB's available?
I think it was more about that position the losing a WR.
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Possible.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep!
I think that the problem is that too many people are overvaluing him as far as the rest of the league is concerned.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone think this trade may have been more to keep him out of the AFCE?
Rather than “needing” this CB, maybe the front office just wanted to have some control over where Camarillo ended up. If we had simply released him rather than traded him, the Jets or Pats or Bills (all more or less in need of WR depth) may have picked him up, and as we all know you never want to trade players within the division.
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well why not just sign a 7 year deal and keep him forever and ever.
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F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!
I would be more comfortable with Jason Allen starting ahead of this guy.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
it's tough to for a 14 year old to lose his favorite player.
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Um yeah.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i know.
"you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!
Well if you need a hug Alpha will be by in a bit.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont play on that team.
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F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!
What does being the recipient of a hug have to do with playing "on that team"?
Don’t be such a homophobe kid.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He wouldn't have to be if it weren't for creepy old men like you Tex
Hahahaha
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by Dolphinole on Aug 25, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL I am not creepy. Don't mistake me for Alpha and Tuna.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ouch
Unless we all conform, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free. ~Frank Burns
you must mean enhalen
Unless we all conform, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free. ~Frank Burns
No thats Warnersbeard.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
(gag)
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LOL Gag?
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just not the fan of a man's well groomed face.
’specially around the mouth.
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LOL Ahhh.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This just tells how bad WA's knee is
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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I believe Moore has already made the roster
he’s has made plays everytime he catchs the ball. I think Moore and Turner are set, unless Pruitt or Wallace step it up on Friday.
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Imagine Moore in a four wide set......
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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I'm hoping to see that this year...maybe even a 5 wide set...would love that
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I don't mind that someone unseated Cam.
That’s good! But we did not get fair compensation for him. That’s what pisses me off.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You can only trade someone for what someone else is willing to surrender.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
& what is needed now.
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Yeah that helps as well.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish that were the case
but I think it’s likely that this is a way to move pat white to WR
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by TonySoprano on Aug 25, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Another war
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2010 7:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oops ignore that^^^^
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another warning from BP...
Dont u dare get injured!
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2010 7:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like the move. Just for the record....
trade Cammy! and keep 6!
keep bess, marshall, hartline, Turner, Wallace, and Moore!
What a monster WR corps we would have. We could go big or play small ball! =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions
;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
lol good call
Wallace need to step up in preseason games. If not he wont be worth the extra spot.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Aug 25, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Good guess old timer.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn good call, LCFF. Want to join the FO? Quadfecta
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by fin4three5yrs on Aug 25, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm shocked by this.... shocked i say
who could have predicted cammy would be gone….
next thing you know someone will be saying that will allen will be cut…
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 25, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
LOLOLOLOL!!!
you forgot to use the sarcasm box
;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
You guys shouldn’t toot your own horn too hard since you both predicted Cam was going to get traded last year as well :>)
If you predict the same move every year, there’s a good chance you’ll eventually be right.
;^J
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by uncle finster on Aug 26, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
nice try finny
but there is no way I would have expected cammy to get traded last year, coming off a significant injury, and a roster with out any significant upgrades at wr.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
.... and Beck is coming back.... you'll see...
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We didnt get equal value...But I understand
We are really weak on ST right now and lacking any CB depth – so we needed to make some kind of move… At first i thought this looked like a decent trade but thanks to these stats from matty -
“………allowed 40 receptions on 57 targets – averaging 10.7 yards per completion. Opposing quarterbacks had a passer rating of over 103 when throwing in Sapp’s direction last year.”
I am now depressed ! That’s pretty bad actually….he is “stop gap” only and Camarillo was worth so MUCH MORE than that… THANKS GREG for your dedication, and always playing at the top of your game…Look for him to have a big year with FARVE….
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look at it this was Lou
the FO was doing Cammy a favor. The knew he wasn’t going to make the roster, and they wanted to help hoim land on his feet with a good team, rather than just cut him.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
Laces out!
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i would miss him even if he scores a hundred tds plus scores the game winng Sb td.
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F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!
Best of Luck Camarillo
I will never forget him for single handedly saving us from going 0-16. I cried when he scored, but the young guys have been passing him by since his injury. i wish we could have gotten better but he isn’t really worth that much. now its Turner shot at stepping up and proving himself
Marshall, Hartline, Bess, Moore
i don’t like even wasting a roster spot on turner
Laces out!
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This^
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
At first i thought this was horrible
Trading the one savior of 2007 and a consistant possion guy for a below average nickelback? Wtf But then I’m like wait a minute: the new guy has experience and may not be a stud, but I would honestly take anyone from last year’s Vikings. And imagine how wonderful it is that we finally have enough depth at receiver to be able to pull it off and still have an awesome starting 5. Cam will be missed in Miami, but always welcome home.
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by bingram on Aug 25, 2010 8:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hope he isnt a has-Ben.....
and hoping that when he checks his family tree ancestry, he isnt the sap……just had to,thats all….
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Aug 25, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
damn will you have that
same hair color in Buffalo?? I’ll have to bring my camera!!!
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Doubt it,.....saving that look for the Cincy !
But I’m sure i’ll have something up my sleeve, I usually do…..
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Aug 26, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Camarillos role was diminishing
and Miami got some help on ST and a vet to help in the secondary. Its a decent deal. I will always remember The Hero for 12.16.07.
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by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Aug 25, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
Cam will play behind Percy Harvin in Minnesota, Benny Sapp was a good pickup and
All of Minnesota is not happy with the trade. I will miss Cam, but we needed to shore up our special teams play, which Sapp instantly does and he is among the league best corners in run support. Dolphins need to fill holes and must make cuts to complete our final roster. WR was probably our only strength position, so trading Cam, a rcvr with okay stats and proven to perform well in the slot gave us our best value. Good Job by FO.
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All the people saying it's not fair compensation
how many of you actually think Camarillo is a household name outside of Miami? He was a part-time player on one of the worst WR corps in football last season, do you really think he had high value? We value him highly because he’s a Dolphin, and because of what he did in 07. But let’s face it, trading him for quality veteran depth at the CB position (possibly our weakest position right now) is a good move. He’s extremely redundant on our roster, with Bess and Hartline both doing everything he can do, except better.
Sapp, however, better step his game up, because he was not very good last year. Hopefully, he’s a niche player who plays well as a Nickel CB, but struggles as a starter. I am not excited about Sapp, but I do like that we were able to add a vet CB, who should very easily pick up Nolan’s scheme, for a WR who was probably just holding a roster spot for a more explosive player at this point.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Well Said Nicky.
I will only disagree with one point. I think if he wasn’t hurt most of the preseason he would have been the starter opposite Marshall, not Hartline. IMO, he does everything better than Hartline right now. Not to say that Hartline won’t improve (I think Camarillo has hit his ceiling) but right now Hartline doesn’t run routes as well, doesn’t create separation, and quite frankly doesn’t have the hands that Camarillo does.
There was a reason that Camarillo was targeted the the comeback route for the big plays (most important plays of the game) against the Jets and Pats last year. It was because he could execute the play while Hartline couldn’t. That is the difference right now between the two players.
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I see it as a 4th string WR being traded for a 4th string CB
and we have more need for a CB than a WR at this point. Bess is our #2, Hartline will see quite a bit of playing time, and apparently, Marlon Moore is a downfield threat that needs to be on the roster. It’s a small story IMO
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree. But think about this.
If you consider Hartline and Camarillo as basically being the same player, a 4th WR, why would the Vikings want Camarillo instead of Hartline. Cam is older. He makes more money. Wouldn’t it make sense that the Vikings would want the younger, cheaper player? Especially since it seems that both players, Cam and Sapp, were about to be cut.
I think the Phins called the Vikings about Sapp because of their need for a CB. I think that the only way the Vikings would make the trade is if they got what they think was the better player, Camarillo instead of Hartline, because they needed immediate production with Rice out 8 games and with Harvin having migraine issues. They needed an immediate player (Cam) instead of a project (Hartline). Just my opinion.
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I disagree
I think Minny contacted us about a WR. Cam was available for what they offered, Hartline was not. Hartline is not a 4th WR, he’s our 3rd, and will play quite a bit as a #2 as well. Cam was fighting for a roster spot. Hartline is not a project player, Turner is a project. Hartline produced far too much as a rookie to be considered a “project.”
And since when have you ever seen Parcells have trade terms dictated to him? If he would’ve rather traded Hartline for Sapp, the headline right now would say “Brian Hartline traded to the Vikings.” It makes plenty of sense that Minny would want Hartline over Camarillo, but for the price of Benny Sapp, when you have a need at WR, you take what you can get. I don’t consider Hartline and Camarillo the same player, I consider Hartline a better version.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And younger and cheaper.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And less of a history if injury.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
*of
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't right now. I watched both of them live twice last year. Camarillo was a better player last year. And from what I have seen of Hartline in preseason, if healthy, he is still better.
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How much better?
Is a guy who is 10,15,20-30% better but has clearly hit his ceiling more valuable than a guy who played 3/4ths as good as a rookie ?
Dave Wannstedt doesn’t make that move but then again Dave sucked!
by haildanhenningnow on Aug 25, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Heartline was god last nite, he cought everthing thrown to him. Then they screwed with his rythem, by Threw to fasano & marshall all incompleat by the time they decided to cum back to hartline it was over there timing was thru
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why he had trade value, still servicable with treed has anyone ever seen the why that the Eagles treat there player's turnover with servicable treed is how i put sum of u may use different terminalogy!
They get ride of good players-just down side of prime, finishing the apex of prime (trade) value still high. Sum say they are idiot’s, sum say there smart.
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pats do the same and they have faired fairly well in the last several years.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pats and the Eagles trade players for draft picks, not nickle or dime CB's.
Sapp is the equivalent of Eric Green. Remember how well that turned out?
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Sapp is needed depth.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sapp also had his best year in '09.
For what it’s worth, let him get into the Nolan scheme before we, as judge, jury, & executioner announce our verdict.
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 25, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
as said this could be a good thing & there may be sum garnishes to be had on the other side of this table!
as ther were a lot of tallented ball players out there (in the draft) & i’m not saying there will be sum availible senior tallent but if we keep our eye’s open TY!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 25, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
but faster. Green is slow
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ct - have to disagree
Cammy – was SLOW last year and even slower this year, both running routes and coming out of them and doesn’t create any separation… so there is no way that i agree he runs better routes then hartline… hartline is just faster and quicker right now… cammy does have the best hands on the team, but when CB’s can just stick too him, you cant expect him to get any YAC, which is where hartline kills him…
on top of that, blocking and run blocking is VERY important to these guys and hartline is good at this and cammy … well he tried.
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by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 25, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^This!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
This^
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by texascowpunk on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Marty did you just refer to WR as position of strength?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
heres what i dont get
How anyone has had a chance to evaluate this trade is beyond me. This guy has yet to play a down in a dolphins uni. As far as I’m concerned,the deal was an even trade for 2 reasons.
1. We needed help in our secondary and special teams
2. They needed help at wr.
Did they match up skill wise? Only time will tell. Perhaps,perhaps not. But the bias needs to stop til both have spent some time with the pads on
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
cammy was not going to make the final cut anyhow.
we got something for him. Even if we end up cutting Sapp, we would not end up any worse off.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 26, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I smell another...........
wes welker move. we’ll see how good he is when it hurts
by IanFunn on Aug 25, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
also note
We traded a 4th wr for a nickel corner and special teams upgrade. Hmm fair trade? Idk,and fyi both were gonna get cut anyways,so what’s that say about the even trade now?
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Aug 25, 2010 10:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
from what i can recall of sapp is he kinda blows.
I get to watch a lot of viking games living here and mn doesn’t really have the greatest coverage corners. they’re good tacklers and play the run pretty well, but with the d-line they have they can afford to be a little on weaker side in coverage. I think we got a bad value especially since i like Camarillo. Hopefully he’ll end up playing us twice this year ;)
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I hate to second guess the FO
But I think we may have got fucked over in this trade. Cam didn’t drop a pass in 2009, and we all know what he did in 2007. The only thing I can recall good about Sapp is Warren. I hope the young guys pan out, because we just lost one helluva WR.
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Doesn't make sense
I understand letting Cam go, if you weren’t going to utilize him better to get something for him. Question is did we get something for him? They have too many CB and Benny Sapp doesn’t look like much of a pick up. Why not get a draft pick? Or does this mean the end for Will Allen?
Assuming someone was willing to give a draft pick.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A reliable starting WR for a busted ass 29 year old career back up journeyman CB, lol, really???
This trade doesn’t make much sense to me, it leaves us with 3 WRs that have caught NFL passes, and just another body to cut, we don’t have the room for the CBs we have, we aren’t going to cut a prospect with good potential for this career back up at the end of his career are we???
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by uncle finster on Aug 26, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
^^THIS^^
What many are neglecting to mention is that Camarillo dropped fewer balls last year than both Marshall and Hartline (our #1 and #2) have dropped in EACH preseason game. What DC$ is to field goals, Camarillo was to receptions. Let’s see Hartline or Bess pull in that throw from last years opener against the Falcons. I get that we have BIG ?s at CB but VDavis (I prefer not to call him VD) and SS are starting, Carroll and JAllen will be on the team if for no other reason than special teams, Ness looks multi-functional and there’s the prospect of WAllen. Do we really need to bother with a nickel corner that got burnt like toast all throughout last year?
I hope this trade pans out but I just don’t see it happening. I would have been happier with a fourth round pick but I hope this works out to our benefit. This seems more than anything to me as just a means of opening a spot for Patrick Turner since Moore appears to be surpassing him. This allows Moore to be #4 and Turner to stick around another year on the practice squad.
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by TheFinReaper on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
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