Dolphins defeat Jaguars: Three initial thoughts
Thanks to the excellent decision by Jack Del Rio not to go for two in the fourth quarter (nobody wants overtime in the preseason - let's be honest), the Dolphins went up to Jacksonville and improved to 2-0 this preseason with a 27-26 victory over the Jaguars.
I'll have full thoughts and reaction late tomorrow night after I have a chance to go back and re-watch the game. But for now, here are my three initial thoughts.
- Yes, Brandon Marshall dropped another pass. He also caught four passes for 65 yards and threw the key block that set Anthony Fasano free for his 50+ yard touchdown. He's going to be just fine, folks. Get ready to enjoy finally having a real "alpha" receiver.
- After a slow start on the first drive, Chad Henne was outstanding. He looked comfortable out there, made the right reads, and made excellent throws. His 11/14, 151 yard, 2 touchdown performance would have been even more impressive, too, if Marshall and Brian Hartline each didn't drop a pass. Anyone still worried about Henne? I'm not saying he's going to be great this year - don't get me wrong. But he did enough to keep the "Chicken Little" fans from shouting about the sky falling...for now.
- The biggest concern to come out of tonight's game? The starting defense didn't look real good. Vontae Davis and Sean Smith each struggled at times tonight. However, we do have to remember these guys are only in their second season - they're still going to make mistakes. I just hope the cooaches use these mistakes to help these two guys improve.
Like I said, more to come tomorrow. For now, though, share your initial thoughts below.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 22, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I was very impressed with our offense.
Marshall is a beast and I can see the way he is opening things up for our other players. Is it me or did Fasono look a little faster? Henne is a natural. I think he is going to have a great season.
Wake didn’t record a sack but he was constantly in the back field causing pressure. I have a good feeling about this season.
by PhinnyFromItaly on Aug 22, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
youre right, fasano did look a little faster
and so did john nalbone
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Probably not.
I imagine they keep Pat White on the roster until final cuts, just in case one of the other QBs gets injured, or if we get a offer we can’t refuse for Thiggy
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Or for Chad.
We may get get a decent offer for Chad Pennington and since he only signed for 1 year, who knows.
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I doubt we get an offer for Chad.
He’s banged up, didn’t get any action when he was a FA…. and they know he’s only one a 1 year deal.
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chad looks like he lost some umph on his throws last night.
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That will tend to happen after 3 major shoulder surgeries.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
That long completion to Marshall was a lollipop.
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Intentionaly so, was it not.
It was a jump ball between two defenders…pretty much thrown where only Marshall had a shot at it.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Intentionally only because that is his arm strength
Marshall had to take the ball away from 2 defenders because it was so lofted it allowed the Safety to come over and make a play. It was not a well thrown ball and most times that pass will get intercepted.
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but we got a bonafide #1
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I'm not sure about that
Looks to me he put it where the saftey (who’s going towards Marshall anyway becasue they’re doubling him) couldn’t get to it. If he throws it farther the saftey would have cut it off.
Bob Griese is calling it a touch pass..that’s good enough for me.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you need some touch on that pass
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Is there any other kind when Pennington throws a pass?
All his passes are consider “touch” passes because he doesn’t have the arm strength for anything else.
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Wrong focus
While Chad Pennington may go on to be the best, most accurate corn-hole player ever I think you’re focusing on the wrong thing. Did you see Marshall? Does that resemble any Dolphin player you’ve watched in years? I’ll answer it for you: No.
Really, complaining about the velocity of a 35 yards pass when the Beast made a play no one else can?
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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You have a point
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by Deuce Black on Aug 22, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope we dont trade penne
he is a great mentor for henne and probably the best backup QB in the nfl
besides, the dolphins put a clause in the contract stating that if we were to trade him, we would have to pay him an extra 1.5 million dollars. thats a lot of money
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We simply won't deal him
But I love the decision to keep him with how well he’s doing in mentoring our boy.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I love his decision to throw it to Marshall for 3 straight plays
he wasn’t even looking anywhere else, it was like giving Dolphin fans exactly what we want. If that pass gets picked off do we say , oh look at that lollipop throw, no . BeastMarsh gets his chance to make a play , and oh yes he does.
Much more enjoyable game this week!
Just frustrating to see the defense still giving up big plays!
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by GEtSICK13 on Aug 22, 2010 12:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
right, but this is still the vanilla version of this defense
come week 1, you will see a much better, attacking, blitzing, hard-hitting, intercepting defense
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How about that pass from Pennington to Marshall??
Welcome back Chad!!
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 22, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hartline is not
“putting it on film”, as Tomlin would say, is he playing himself out of a starting spot.
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 22, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the same thought
Bess looks like my pick to be the number 2 guy right now.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Aug 22, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i said dont count him out early on..........
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by MagicDolphin on Aug 22, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Bess thrives in the slot...
I don’t think he’d be as efficient on the outside…
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He was efficient on the outside last year.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
he may have been efficient but he wouldn't thrive as much
Bess is a player that is built for the slot, he’s quick, he’s shifty, he’s got good lateral movement.
The slot is where he’ll reach his greatest production.
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I see him as Welker 2.0,
a player who is perfect for the slot, so perfect in fact that he transcends the slot and is just a very good WR who gets open more than any WR we have outside Marshall.
I don’t think our take on Bess is that much different, we see the same player, I just see him as a little better than you do.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think comparing him to Welker is crazy at this point.
Welker is obviously the best slot WR in the league.
He’s arguably one of the top 10 WR’s in the league…
Thats a stretch.
If you want to say he’s got some characteristics of Welker, okay. But Welker 2.0 talk is not warranted as of yet. Not even close.
But I do agree, you see him a little better than I do. I think he’s an excellent slot guy, and hopefully he continues to grow. I just don’t see him reaching his full ability on the outside.
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The reason I see him as a better/as good version of Welker,
it’s simple, he is way ahead of where Welker was at this point in his career, and I saw Bess beat numerous double teams last year when it counted, and he was the target, it is speculation, but I do have strong reasoning behind it, he just has the ability to get open, with Marshall on the other side you can’t double both, just IMO though.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can respect that assessment.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well all in know is I saw classic Davone Bess last night
Bess was wide open near the sideline and proceeds to make an unnecessary diving catch getting harmlessly tagged down by the defense. The guy frustrates me so much sometimes
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Welker isn't always in the slot
when the pats are in 2 receive sets, Wes is the second receiver. He moves to the slot when they go with 3 or higher.
I think Bess would be great if they used him similarly.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Aug 22, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
what % of his catches were on the outside?
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so you got the reference
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Bess
I do see where you’re going with this and I don’t think it’d be a bad scenario. Miami could use the option like New England does with Welker and have Bess be the #2 WR opposite Brandon Marshall. In three WR sets, Hartline would play on the outside and Bess would move into the slot. It’s a viable option I would not bet against the front office considering.
Thats how I see it right now,
or Cam starting.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Camarillo isn't even guaranteed a roster spot.
In the unlikely even Turner and Moore show the team they have significantly improved…. Camarillo is the odd man out.
Out of our current WR crop, he’s the one vet that isn’t going to develop any more than what he currently is.
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or Pruitt, don't count him out.
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Pruitt is up next on the chopping block
He’s done nothing to distance himself from anyone.
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he still has another game to show something and
he had a couple nice catches in the first game
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doubtful that he gets into the 3rd preseason game...
If he can hang on until the 4th game he’l have to REALLY dominate to get on the squad.
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the first cut is after the 3rd game, i don't think there is anyone
out there that is better than him at this point
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better than Pruitt?
Turner and Moore both have shined a helluva lot more than Pruitt.
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no i mean in FA
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Yes but if you know the guy is gone then why not
cut him and bring in someone to compete somewhere else?
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know if there is one though.
and you have to take into account that thiggy ws running around a lot due to pressure when he was in.
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Thigpen needs to learn to throw it away
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 22, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think at this point the FO knows of a lot of people who aren't going to make the cut,
and they just keep them around to be an extra body that already knows the system to practice with.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what Sparano said a couple of weeks ago
Two weeks ago, Sparano explained that the middle of the field should be open more often this season as a result of the need for opposing defenses to cover Marshall with multiple defensive backs.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/22/1786781/henne-marshall-shine-in-miami.html
Doesn’t that point to Bess seeing a lot more passes thrown his way? In 2 WR sets, Bess can get to the middle of the field playing on the opposite side of the field from Marshall. He can also get to the middle from a “twins” set playing along side Marshall. Bess right now seems like the best complimentary WR on the roster for Marshall. He is quick, can work the middle of the field, and has the best set of hands.
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isn't Marshall just a bigger bess?
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also the FL works the outside, typically.
a speed guy would work best here opposite Marshall
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I agree. That a speed guy is what is needed. But on the Phins, Marshall is the speed guy.
That’s the problem. The other complimentary WR’s won’t maximize the talent the Marshall has. If you believe Sparano’s quote, Marshall because he is demanding help from safeties, is opening up the middle of the field. If that is the case, Bess is the one that would benefit the most.
If Welker can be the #2 to Moss, then Bess can be the #2 to Marshall.
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if you want to work the middle of the field, you
are going to do that most efficiently going to do that with your slot WR, TE and HBs
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Exactly, like Welker does with Moss. Bess is best suited for that role on the Phins.
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Bess doesnt get YAC like Marshall
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by Deuce Black on Aug 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Marshall isn’t just a bigger Bess.
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Pot did you really just ask that?
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Bess nor Camarillo give us the big play ability Hartline can.
NE can use Welker like they do because they have Randy Moss on the other side. Marshall is not Randy Moss. The only way they consider doing it is if Hartline really struggles. Otherwise they’re going to put the player that gives them the highest opportunity of making a big play.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
your as bad as DB. Can you be anymore of a "hater" when it comes to Hartline?
lol
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !
by MainePhinFan on Aug 22, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
B4 you go off on me.. using "hater" was a joke.. I dont really think you hate him.. well.. on second thought.. lol
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
If I took the time to check for errors I would forget what I was trying to say! Deal !
by MainePhinFan on Aug 22, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
2catches for 12 yds, 2drops in 2 games,
he’s not exactly tearing it up, lol, and he doesn’t have the resume like Marshall to stand on, isn’t he supposed to be earning this spot, just sayin.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, guess Marlon Moore oughta be our #1 reciever!
He’s the best wr in the preseason right now. And Patrick Turner is #3.
Hell yea Marlon Moore
tearin shit up and he showed he could get open in the slot
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by Deuce Black on Aug 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
remember who everyone is going against.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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i actually agree with you on this
he is one of the open issues i listed last week. he needs to earn that starting spot. or someone does.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone does need to step up.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Unlike you Maine I don't hate, I appreciate
and there was nothing to appreciate about Hartline’s performance even though it was just a preseason game
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by Deuce Black on Aug 22, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta agree with the Finster believe it or not.
I’ve been one of Brian’s most vocal supporters, but once again, 1 catch for 8 yards, and a drop isn’t going to cut it.
I think it changes come the real season, but still, I hope to see something out of him next week which is when we get a real good idea of how the team is shaping up.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree... but I'd still like to see some more out of him.
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Well sure but if he had gotten all the passes then we are saying the same about
Marshall or Fasano.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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great way to look at it.
Henne was getting every pass option throws last night
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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We agree?
Time to start drinking again.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here fr8
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
don't worry about hartline
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The one and only "ho-nerd"
I'm not.
I’ve been a very vocal supporter and driver of the Hartline Hype Machine..
I’d just like to see a little bit more outta him in preseason. I fully expect him to blow up come the regular season.
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^^this
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Soffmore slump jeinx or what ever u think it was/is sh!t happen's let it play out he's still asking Q. & being his inquizitive self yes?
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions
Once is usually too much
Be careful what you wish for
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I got you Beav, he said...
Sophomore slump, jynx, whatever you think it was or is, shit happens, let it play out. He’s still asking questions and being his inquisitive self, yes?
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by phinnyhenne28 on Aug 22, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
10-4 bruther!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
mostly i write like it sounds but i am getting better Oh i did get my ged 2008 was in a very bad car accident back in 1976 jan 7 coma 2 week doc did not think i wood live ankle was riped in half my jaw was broke in two places in hospital 8 month's !
eye patch over left eye addicted to morphin a drug that i still take just not as much as i used to i’ve acctuly gone months at a time with out then it get’s hard to type i’ll tack HYDROMORPHONE#2
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Dang Beaver... It's good to hear that your still alive and well after that. And I don't
have a problem understanding what you say.
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by phinnyhenne28 on Aug 22, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thx 28 apreach all that's said, I'm better then the fack's wood have u belive i'm not mal-nuturished or any thing grew up in a middleclass type inviroment. Just now sence out of work, on bennifits it's atad ruff!
Wood like to get my boy to a game during the season. As his birthday will be on the 9th, of Oct. will be 5, good age to get him started the right way. All the dolphin geer is so exspenive though, just getting a jersey will take a hit. I know that a fixed incum is just that, & the trailer that we live in sound’s poor, but we eat good & my boy started school this year “GO DOLPHINS”!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we're glad you are with us beav....
you may be hard to decipher from time to time, but generally when we do its fantastic :) lol
I always just thought you were acting out the “beaver lifestyle” lol
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by Fr8Train on Aug 22, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx fr8Train like i said I'm getting better all the time belive you me!
keeping in the bever life style is fun, oh the crumb’s that r sprinkeled are to not let everyone in just a few, who in fact know me!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
thats cool to know
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by Weecho85 on Aug 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx weechi your another that seam's to under stand my writing, as tuff as it all seam's. If you just sound out the word's, in your mind. You might be able to under-see that my typeing does infact have meaning!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You make more sense than many Beav
Two pre-season games in monsoons are a pretty harsh stage to judge the path of a season by.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx Phrozen Phish life does get easer, then we all think. Oh knock on wood bout those monsoon's
But the start of the season last year kinda went the very same way then we started the year in atlanta inside were we look real slow on that fast track inside up therein georgacuz they kicked & i’m still stinging from that one. Then i get back from a trip that my mother in law bought us (the wole family T.Y.) So very much! but then i find out that we miss the playoff’s by one game. ERRRR!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed the slow start killed us.
The other thing that happened in Atlanta was we learned the Gerbil couldn’t cover TE’s. Gonzales threw him out of the way like a rag doll.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no worries bruth beav!
you have enuff of us around here to translate for you if needed. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with this! ▲
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by Alpha6 on Aug 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx lefty i apreach all the swagger & guile that you have offered!!!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We all have your back!
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx to you bruther tex, as you & finster, know me the very-best hard to sneek sumthin past youin's!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I just used that quote in a job interview...
…when they asked me “what do you want your epitaph to say?”
John Wooden ftw!
its too bad
this regime is always gonna have that 2nd round mistake hanging over them but they are still battin a really nice % cause some of these kids look like they hae some balls to go along with the talent…i was really rootin for White to do somethin this year..sad
Can you name one?
Can you name a coaching staff who hasn’t made a mistake with a draft pick before? It has happened to us before and it will happen to us again in the future.
Don Shula's legacy doesn't seem to have suffered
Despite some really sketchy dafts…David Overstreet, John Bosa, Eric Kumerow, Randal Hill all taken in the first round.
In terms of the percentage of their picks making the roster, or still playing in the NFL this regime has an unbelieveable success rate.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
True but some things no one can predict like what happened to Overstreet or Hill.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My only worry is the CBs or lack there of?
our boys need help. And why is it we all think his days are numbered, but Jason Allen keeps making ST plays? still alot of money for a ST player. Hey I am glad he is making plays one way or another, so , I guess keep it up JA, just get to the KRman alittle faster, your good on the put deal so keep on keeping on!!
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The CBs
The CBs should improve when Will Allen returns. He’ll bring our depth back where it needs to be.
*IF* Will Allen returns.....
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
JA didn't do much on KOs
i saw him get beat a couple times, and he made one play. i don’t know if him having to catch up from behind was his fault or a breakdown somewhere else
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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I'll take one forced fumble for a turnover on ST every game :)
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and them starting at the 40 the rest of the time?
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Oh absolutely not.
But I don’t think we can Blame Jason Allen on the entire unit’s performance.
There was not ‘Special’ about our special teams last night, instead I can think of a four letter S word that fits in ST better
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i dont live in FLA,
so i didn’t get to see the game, but if marshall had 4 catches for 65 yds in a couple drives, imagine what he will have in full games! can someone tell me how our o-line played?, we seem to get great rush blocking, it’s the pass protecting that worries me. NFL network is barely even mentioning that the dolphins played 2nite WTF!
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you nailed it sonny....we got a lot of beef up front but the scheme blocking is week inside.....
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by MagicDolphin on Aug 22, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
2 of our TDs wouldn't have happened if not for his blocking
never knew how good he was blocking downfield.
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he is actually trying now, he didn't do that well in Denver.
but now he actually is happy
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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no, the O-line blocking
how was the run blocking?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
tthe second team sucked, but the first team as near dominate
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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thanks =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bess needs to get on the field more often.....
The way he runs routes and gets open is simply amazing. With Bess and Marshall out on the field, converting on 2nd and 15 seems almost easy as to where before it seemed more like a death sentence for our offense. Fasano seems to be hitting his stride and learned some valuable lessons from last year, he looks to be an impact player this year.
Also, Marlon Moore seems like more of a polished receiver than Turner, especially after this game. When he gets the ball, he doesn’t fall down, he seems to have his balance and tries to get yards like Marshall does. Turner still seems to round his routes off and takes too long to make his moves and the QB pays for it.
I’d say right now we sit at:
Marshall – Bess – Hartline – Camarillo – Moore until anyone proves otherwise.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 22, 2010 3:02 AM EDT reply actions
problem with moore is that he is just like teddy ginn
he is fast and quick, but has unreliable hands
the only difference is that moore doesnt run out of bounds or cringe up into the fetal position
WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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LOLOLOLOL!!!!
the only difference is that moore doesnt run out of bounds or cringe up into the fetal position
this is a huge difference! =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
One more thing....
Must we run the Wildcat twice in a row??? It seems like every time we do that it gives Henne one less chance to score (ahem, tonight as an example?). Run it once, get a couple yards or break one open. Give Henne at least “2” chances to throw it into the endzone, right???
Also, does anyone else notice that half the time we don’t hand the ball off to Ricky, he’s only covered with one man to beat? Obviously it’s preseason and they aren’t going to show too many wrinkles but it seems like better coaching adjustments are needed to obtain better key matchups for our players to beat the opponent even with “vanilla” offense / defense.
by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Aug 22, 2010 3:05 AM EDT reply actions
I must have missed a helluva good game...damn
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Jones has shown nada also
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Run D Looked Fairly Stout!
T. Dobbins looked good plugging holes, V. Davis defending the edge with his superb tackling, Y. Bell pouncing from support from his safety spot. R. Starks looked really fast blitzing right up the middle.
I think the Brandon Marshall block was a momentum shifting play...
It is good to see him making plays that don’t neccessarily involve him as the star. I think Dobbins looked ok, but Crowder should still be the starter at this point. I was a little bit worried with our ILB play to be honest this game. I did think the D-line bounced back in a big way(although going back and looking at the tape I think it was poor ILB play more than it was the D-line). Hartline didn’t look as good as I expected, but Bess was great. I am not sure that he wins at #2 because he is more of a slot guy. I like what Cobbs did as a receiver out of the backfield, but as a RB I was unimpressed. Give Lex more touches.
I think it is safe to say that Pat White is gone after the preseason. The only other thing I will say is Tyler Thigpen did not look great this game either.
when does the season start.....
Dobbins looked horrible in coverage. Spitler looked like the rookie he is.
And johnson didn’t do anything bad nor good.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Got to give props to Fasano
Most of us hammered him last season, myself included. He looked great, like he was supposed to last season. Good to get the taste of the falcons game out of my mouth. He may be the true sleeper of the offense
by Phins 08 AFC East Champs on Aug 22, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions
Looks to me like we have our KR - N Carroll - 4 for 100, with a long of 36
Fasano may be the biggest beneficiary of BMarsh, in more ways than one!
And is ANYONE still concerned that Starks isn’t gonna get his sacks cause he at NT this year? Myself, I think he gets more than the 5.5 of last year!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 22, 2010 7:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Right now my concerns are the secondary, kickoff coverage and punt protection.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
this^
WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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Ya but preseason is hard on ST
You got 11 guys, most of whom won’t make the team, all trying to make a play that will get them noticed…can’t really rep live returns much in training camp either.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
^^this
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
nolan carrol=beast
im officially starting the carrol fan club
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The one and only "ho-nerd"
Why you want to doom the kid like that.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol; yeah thats where just we need all that juicy presure cumming from, right up the gut. So as the QB. wont be able to steep up in the pocket, with ease & comfert. Any longer cuz most of the time, after what happen's the qb is usesaly raizing his hand's
Up in the air, right after a big play or TD in eather case i saw that snatcher from NY to many time’s doing this to us, if any of us mma fans remember chuck ladell. His arrogance & swagger was why over the top. If he happened to win that night he wood make his hand’s into a fist, put them at his side’s, arch his back & “howl like a banchi wolf” at the moon!
This is what i want our whole defense doing all night long as NY goes tree & out many time’s maybe getting two field goal’s only. Jet’s leaving sun light stadium with there heads hangging way down, only thinking of how long the flight home will be & all complaining of soreness in there leg’s of just tyring to catch the miami dolphins. In a twist of fate that send’s the entire football team in a spiral worse then the clock game & the laughing stock of the NFL!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Did you just rec yourself? lol
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by Fr8Train on Aug 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beaver can do it, if anybody can
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx Dave undeniable belife is exzackly what is called for in this case!
& i rec u for that thought, alone it’s like the "gazillion star’s that eggzist just for us & our pleasure too also gaze apon from time to time
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no fr8 phins tifosi
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you kind sir
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS IS ZION, AND WE ARE NOT AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Need the soundtrack to go with it
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by Fr8Train on Aug 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
arg....
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by Fr8Train on Aug 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is what i was thinking of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ZWNOm4r2k&feature=related
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same background song :)
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by Fr8Train on Aug 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once a DJ..........
;^J
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I will always get the song first...
is it sad I can tell you the Beats per minute and what song I’d mix into and out of with it? lol
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no, i guess that means you can still do the job?
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Absolutely.
I still make the occasional mixes for my old radio station to run on Friday nights.
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The box score from the Jest game, Talk about no offense, net like 112 yards for the game and only 16 yards fron their passing game hahahahah, Yea Superbowl my A$$. I bet fat Ryan is pissed at his so called Superbowl team
LOL Check out Sanchez's rating.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying really hard to be more a Phin-phan and less of a Jets hater.
Because, really our progress at this point has nothing to do with them. But every time they #$@$ up I love it.
God help me I love it so.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL Yeah its ok to enjoy their failure. They are after all an division foe.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
real happy to see fasano play well
and i feel much better about Marsh and Henne.
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Nice observations Matty....
Although I’m not so sure you can give Marshall all the credit for that first block to spring Fasano free. He put a good block on his man, then thankfully his man threw him down into the legs of the other defender taking all of them out.
Henne played very well and is finally doing real well in his progressions and checking down. He actually would have been 14 of 14 if the three passes he missed weren’t dropped (2 Marshall, 1 Hartline).
Fasano could be poised to have an even better season then he had in 2008. Now that Henne is seeing the field better, I’m also willing to bet the backs will get more receptions this year as well.
My only concerns right now is the secondary and the pass rush. Both of these thrive on each other. I miss the days of Jim Bates’ bump and run secondary. Yes, I realize we had the best CB tandem in the league at the time, but with Nolan’s pension for bringing the pressure we’ve got to get our hands on the WRs. Otherwise, what good is a pass rush if they can run slants all day long on us.
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Only 1 drop by Marshall
The second on the goal line was really Henne’s fault. He took to long to get the throw out, by the time he did the D was all over Marshall and deflected the pass. On top of that Henne threw it low. With Marshall’s size and physical ability you have to throw high and make him go over the defense. Penny understood that on that nice +30 yard pass. Not blaming Henne but he will learn how to use Marshall properly.
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a pass defensed is not a drop anyway
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ricky had one too. Marshall's second happened when CP10 was in, i believe
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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He put a good block on his man, then thankfully his man threw him down into the legs of the other defender taking all of them out.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was rolling when I saw that play.
So the real credit should go to the defender for that block. But he did do another decent blocking job on Ronnie Brown’s TD catch.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
At least hes in there blocking vs another guy we use to have that would have just gotten out of the way.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to Cammy
I didnt see him in the game, is he hurt or what, I read somwhere he may get traded or relesed if the other guys step it up
Cammy apparently sat out to rest an injury....
But yes, I’m not so sure he’s an exact lock to make the roster
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The secondary
The youth with Sean Smith and Vontae Davis coupled with the inconsistency of Nolan Carroll proves even more to me that Miami still needs Will Allen. Hopefully people will again remember his value to our team.
He's gotta play to do that.......
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maybe
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
Why do you think Will Allen will not be able to play? I’m starting to get curious on this one.
Because he hasn't fully recovered from the knee injury.
It was blatantly apparent at the start of TC. Several writers noted he seemed a bit gimpy during drills. Then all of a sudden he goes to the doctor again and he’s most likely out till the start of the season. That doesn’t bode well for a 32 year old DB, who’s got 5 other guys vying for the same spot all 26 and under. If you hadn’t noticed a trend with this defense, it’s getting younger and younger every year.
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Will Allen
Even if he misses the opening game, there are still 15 others left to play and I don’t think anyone in the secondary has convinced anyone they’re going to be solid without him. Davis and Smith are still growing and Carroll played like a rookie, as expected, against Jacksonville.
are you old enuff to remember culpepper?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh, yes... different situation too.
If you remember Culpepper yourself, you’ll remember he never got the mobility back before the Dolphins put him on IR, was continuously pounded, and still had more issues affecting his play than just his knee.
Will Allen was performing well in training camp and had soreness in his knee after practice. He wasn’t even wearing a brace like Culpepper often was when he was playing with Miami.
Want to know another difference? Culpepper was placed on the injured reserve in December, not August or September. It’s also different since Culepper was sacked 21 times and pounded quite a few other times at a position where the player is more vulnerable to hits than a CB is. He was placed on the IR because Miami’s season was only three weeks away from ending. Right now, Miami is 3 weeks from starting the season. You’re pointing out one situation where one player had to be placed on the IR a second time (in December again) and think it is probable with another (in August) simply because it happened once.
I'm sorry, did you just say a QB takes more of a beating than a CB?
You do realize a CB has to make tackles right? A QB could realistically go an entire game and never get touched. There’s no way a starting CB could go through an entire game without contact.
I’m still not sure where you’re getting these reports that Will Allen was performing well in TC. All the reports I read said he was struggling, and they all attributed it to his knee.
You also fail to realize this is the same FO that felt comfortable enough to let two rookies start almost the entire season last year after Allen’s injury. Who’s to say they won’t do the same this year?
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The QB
What I said is QBs are more vulnerable than CBs. When CBs are involved with a tackle, they are the ones using their bodies to make the hit while the QB is the one almost always taking the hits instead of giving them. Thus, QBs are subjected of being hit in a way where they’re more prone to be injured during a tackle.
“Allen, the expected starter at slot corner, had been progressing well in training camp until earlier this week, when he began to sit out practices.”
I can post a bunch of other posts talking about Allen progressing well, practicing without restrictions, and hoping to regain a starting job. I can even go back to one of Matty’s posts as well. I can also go back posting quotes where Carroll was talking how invaluable Allen’s mentorship is and how he helped him learn the defense and the playbook. What I can’t post because I can’t find, is an article describing Will Allen struggling in training camp.
The reason why I say a rookie CB won’t play at nickel CB over Will Allen this year is because Allen will be healthy enough to play. That’s a big difference than the front office having to place a rookie in the lineup in October because he goes down with an injury and can’t play. By that time, it’s much harder to find a suitable veteran qualified enough to take the position, but then he would still have to learn the playbook.
I guess I worded it incorrectly.
What I was getting at was he never looked 100% during OTAs and TC, which is why you got all the reports saying he seemed to be progressing well. Which obviously wasn’t the case.
And the reason I say they will play a rookie corner over a vet is because they’ve already done it. Both Vontae and Smith played over Jason Allen and Nathan Jones last year. And until Will Allen can prove to the FO he’s 100%, I don’t see him playing over Carroll.
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So I stopped thinking.
Allen's Injury
Jason Allen and Nathan Jones weren’t starters prior to Smith and Davis and are not close to Allen’s talent level. I agree Will Allen will play when he show he’s recovered, but my arguement is he will recover early enough for the season and won’t have a problem playing again this year.
That's not much of an argument....
As it’s all based on assumptions, as I’m fairly certain you’re not his doctor.
Allen and Jones may not have been starters, but technically Will Allen wasn’t going to be a starter this year either. So if you’re arguing past starter experience, then Jason Allen would fit that mold. My point is, Will Allen was going to be a back up this year. So it wouldn’t have been unheard of for this FO to play a rookie over a veteran DB. Especially one who’s 32 and coming back from a season ending knee surgery.
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So I stopped thinking.
Assumptions and his doctor
Yeah, I’m not his doctor. I’m just relaying what the doctors have said.
As for their roles on the team, Will Allen was slated to tbe the nickel CB where last year, both Jones and Jason Allen were just fighting for roster spots. There is a bit of difference between that.
I don’t necessarily think the front office is sold on having Carroll at nickel CB with two youngsters starting. With the trade for Benny Sapp, I think they’re intention is to ensure he can at least compete with Carroll for the nickel CB job (wouldn’t be surprised if Sapp won) until Allen returns.
how bout amaya? he had a really nice INT yesterday.
and anyone heard of the ondition of vontae davis?
he looked okay on the sideline yesterday, but does anyone know how he is doing?
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nope, definetly Vontae
saw him on the sideline with a medic checking his chest out with a stethoscope.
Yep
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They said it was a sternum injury
We should learn more in a day or two. The fact he was still on the field for the rest of the game shows it must not have been too serious.
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Great game!
Observations:
1. Hope Vontae is not hurt too bad. Even though he still makes coverage mistakes I love watching him play. He is a dead sure tackler. He’s got a knack for that, for sure.
2. Loved watching Brandon block downfield on multiple occasions. This is gonna be a fun year.
3. Rotating Soliai and Starks is gonna be good for both of them all year. Fresh legs all game long.
4. Umm, that Dobbins is a player. What a hit he made in the hole on that RB. Crowder better step up.
5. I don’t think Patrick Turner is gonna make it.
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Observations:
1. Hope Vontae is not hurt too bad. Even though he still makes coverage mistakes I love watching him play. He is a dead sure tackler. He’s got a knack for that, for sure.
Yep
2. Loved watching Brandon block downfield on multiple occasions. This is gonna be a fun year
Cornerbacks beware.
3. Rotating Soliai and Starks is gonna be good for both of them all year. Fresh legs all game long.
It looks like we may have solved our rush defense issues a bit
4. Umm, that Dobbins is a player. What a hit he made in the hole on that RB. Crowder better step up.Definitely, he was standing out making plays out there. He was struggling in coverage though. Didnt get deep enough on a zone play which let them convert on a deep hitch
5. I don’t think Patrick Turner is gonna make it.
Yeah It definitely looks like our WR core our receiving core is in desperate need for a speed WR. How many time in that game did our QB’s just hold the ball for too long because our guys arent getting open
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Not one mention of Odrick in the above threads.
I will not get a chance to watch the game until Tuesday on the NFL Network. I have watched highlights and checked out the stats. But Odrick isn’t on the stat sheet meaning he had no tackles, no assists, no sacks, no fumble recoveries, no anything. Did he play? If he did and didn’t record a tackle that will be two weeks in a row. I would expect more from a #1 draft pick that is starting.
I will withhold further observations until I get to watch the game.
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Yes he played.
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So I stopped thinking.
Peronally it seems he's having some trouble dealing with the double teams
he gets past the first man fine, but the second takes him by surprise and he seems to lose his balance there
Yeah
It’s a bit disconcerting that Starks isn’t the one taking on the double-teams, but the fact that Odrick gets doubled—as a rookie—makes up for that. Sure, he’s taken out of the game, but at the expense of two of their blockers.
The moment we go from vanilla to mixed swirl.. defenders will be flying from every direction on some downs, so either Odrick’s going to lose the double-teams, or we’re going to get a lot of pressure/sacks from everybody else.
And, again, it’s Odrick’s second game as an NFL player.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't buy into the whole vanilla offense/defense excuse.
Because while they may be running a vanilla defense, the same could be said about the vanilla offense they are going against. This is probably the best determination of skill. Nobody is doing anything special. So in most cases it’s you against the guy or guys blocking you, may the best man win. Odrick showed some good moves in the TB game, but he may have been going against less talented players.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
But it's not always about individual skill or talent, or even strength
if you’ve got Vontae Davis flying in around the edge, you’re going to have to send somebody out there to pick him up. Probably a full- or half-back. This leaves Cameron Wake free to either shoot a gap, untouched, or get picked up by one of those guys doubling Odrick. This gives Odrick the ability to shed the single block and make his own damage.
I understand what you’re saying, but if a guy is getting doubled due to the simplicity of either side’s scheme where he may not be doubled otherwise, it isn’t exactly a clear indicator of said guy’s abilities in a regular season game.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But you're talking about when teams are using exotic schemes.
I’m talking base offense and defense. So there won’t be a Vontae Davis blitzing from the CB spot. It also means he’s not as likely to get double teamed as much, especially if they send the OLB on his side to rush. But the plus side is that if he’s getting doubled, Starks, Wake, Misi, and Langford aren’t.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Well, your last point is exactly what I mean
but as to your point about using exotic schemes: we have Mike Nolan, and that’s one of the only reason most of us are excited about this defense. Without him (and with somebody like, say, Pasqueloni again), we’re not talking about our defense to this level in the first place.
We know Mike runs exotic packages, and that’s the reason I’m making that specific point. Not on every down he doesn’t, of course, but enough so that my point holds water.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
During the season he will, of course.
But according to Salguero, Nolan hasn’t blitzed once with the first team defense this preseason. That means we’ve only been rushing a max of 4 guys on a given play. So it’s unlikely Odrick is getting doubled as much as some may think.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
True
but I think the fact that he is getting doubled is intriguing. He’s a rookie and they’re already sending two guys his way
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it does bode well for him.
But it also means Wake isn’t. Because if Odrick is getting double teams, it means teams are comfortable leaving one man to block Wake.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
the can't double Odd, Starks, AND Grant/Soliai/Douglas/McDaniel/whoever.....
at the same time! Someone is gonna get a chance to annoy somebody on the other side ;^)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 23, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This, and,
Wake is still putting a good amount of pressure on opposing QBs. Why should Wake show his hand/various pass-rushing moves now, in preseason anyway?
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 23, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Good amount of pressure?
You do realize starting QBs are 10 of 12 for 132 yards and 2 TDs against our starting defense right? Obviously we’re not getting good pressure considering those two QBs are David Garrard and Josh Freeman.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Hey
good pressure from ONE guy does not translate to getting to the quarterback every time, NOR does it translate to a poor passing performance. Obviously, like you saw when we threw the kitchen sink at the Jags, the ball still came out in two seconds to beat Carroll for a score.
Just because we’ve had guys throw well on us doesn’t mean Wake himself isn’t doing his job well (even if he hasn’t tackled the quarterback yet).
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
But good pressure from one guy should help the rest.
We never threw the sink at the Jags. We haven’t even blitzed with the first team defense in preseason. Good pressure is an exact translation to a poor passing performance, unless the QB is just that bad. A QB can not go through his progressions if he’s got a guy in his face constantly. Which we haven’t been doing so far. I also wouldn’t use a quick slant pattern as an example. Those plays are specifically designed to counter blitzes by exploiting the cushion given by CBs as they’re in man-to-man coverage.
Well Wake’s job is to rush the passer and tackle the ball carrier right? Well in almost a full games worth of playing time, here’s his preseason stats:
2 Tackles, 1 Tackle for loss, 0 QB Hurries.
Looks to me like he’s not doing his job.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Once again though
it’s preseason. Why would we show our hand now? I’m sure the guys upstairs would want Wake to limit the amount of pass-rushing moves that he shows off now. I’ve yet to see much film, so this could all be BS. I’m very glass-half-full.
More importantly, they probably want Wake to focus more on run-stopping/pass-coverage.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree if we were talking exotic blitz packages.
But we’re talking about swim moves, spin moves, and bull rushes. That’s about the extent of a defensive lineman/linebacker’s moves. I mean there’s a limit really to what you can do to fake out/over power an offensive lineman.
I could be willing to go with the run stopping/ pass coverage angle. That is more believable. But considering we got a rookie on the other side, I’d want Wake to get his pass rush confidence up as soon as possible.
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Performance is inversely proportional
to your self-esteem.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Do you realize what you just said?
If performance is inversely proportional to self-esteem, then you’re saying that the better a player plays. The worse he’s going to feel about himself. That makes absolutely no sense.
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So I stopped thinking.
That's my point.
If they double Odrick, that means Wake is left with a one-on-one and he’s not capitalized on it at all in almost 4 QTRs of play. I know that doesn’t seem like a large amount. But considering he only played 167 snaps last year and he’s already played at least 50 so far. By everyone’s assertion he should have at least one sack by now. It’s not like he was going up against pro bowl lineman on the Jags and Bucs.
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Wake
Of his snaps this year, he has been in coverage a lot more and has not blitzed as much. Remember that of the 167 downs he played last season, the majority were on passing downs. Of the 50 or so plays he’s played through the preseason, he’s been playing every down.
Wake has passed my eyeball test...
I have made it a point to find and watch him as much as possible ( and with HD and a DVR thats still been a bit of a pain) and I have noticed three things right from the beginning. He is NOT using anything more than a bull rush with occasional swats at the Olinemans hands…he has been HELD A WHOLE LOT and is not gettting it called….he is trying to be much more than just a pass rusher, and it doesnt look all that great…seeing him in coverage is pretty icky to me…his run stopping abilities have NOT been given much of a chance in that they dont run twoards him much…but on the few times they have…he doesnt do so well…
I have to believe that he will devolve to a pass rushing specialist and once he can spin and use his hands more then he will show up in fine form…right now he just looks a little bit lost unless he is just pass rushing…and on those plays he is creating some pressure even if he doesnt seem to be…he just gets upfield so fast and a little out of control it seems that with just a simple swim move he will be right where everyone including him wants to be….planting the QB
This I agree with
and I figured he was only using a simple move, i.e. a bull, and that he was playing more run- and pass-stopping than being asked to pure rush the quarterback.
Once the action is live, I think he’ll be fine. At worst, he’ll be Dumervil 2.0. I honestly don’t have a problem with that; so long as he’s at least average at the other two responsibilities, I’ll take his double-digit sacks every year.
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by Dave.Phuller on Aug 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on Dumervil's snap counts last year.
Wake is going to have to get a lot better defending the run and pass.
I don’t buy the notion that Wake just isn’t using other moves. I tend to lean towards the fact he’s just not that good at the other moves and uses his best move which is the bull rush. The problem with that is two things: 1. This isn’t the CFL. NFL tackles are bigger, stronger, and faster. 2. Teams have NFL game tapes of him now so they can scout his weaknesses.
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That just emphasizes my point about Wake.
My doubts about Wake’s ability stem from the fact he’ll be playing every down, and won’t be as effective as he was last year as a situational rusher.
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So I stopped thinking.
This goes back...
That goes back to the entire endurance debate we had weeks ago that I just don’t buy.
You may not buy it......
But he’s almost played a full game’s worth of snaps and he’s tallied a grand total of zero sacks as an every down player. Sure he might benefit from more exotic blitz calls, and we all hope that’s the case. But as I continue to say, I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Oh I agree in some ways
I will believe it when I see it…I just focused on him quite a bit over the last game in jax and what I noticed was his propensity to drop back or stay in some rather than rush the passer every down…when I DID notice him rushing the passer it seemed very very vanilla to me…agian…its MY eyeball test not a statistical breakdown or anything…it just seemed to me to be a point to bring up when there were so many with CLS arguing the point that he wasnt getting pressure or anything..thats all…PURE OPINION OF UNKLPHINNIE
In preseason...
Calvin Pace, Jason Taylor, and Bryan Thomas have the same amount of sacks (0) during the same timeframe, but I don’t think people are panicking over that.
Luckily for the Dolphins, Joey Porter has o sacks in the same span and only has 2.5 sacks.
Now that we’re juding based on the first two preseason games, I don’t think it’s a downgrade for Miami at all because Porter and Taylor are just showing they don’t have it at their ages.
Ridiculous observation isn’t it?
That wasn’t even my part in the original point because based on your previous arguements, you questioned Wake’s endurance because he never played an NFL season of 600 snaps or so. He has however, played years of college football and years of CFL football where he is active on every play. Whether he goes against lesser talent in those leagues is irrelevant because he has shown in those leagues he at least has the conditioning to still have an impact in a game regardless of how many snaps he played.
Luvs2drink is just hatin' on Wake
He doesn’t realize that the talent level Wake faced is irrelevant to his game conditioning and motor.
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Well
I get Luvs’ wait-and-see approach before he decides whether someone is good, but I just don’t agree with Wake’s endurance being one of the reasons why he’s a question mark. I do think Wake needs to prove himself against the run and the pass, but when it comes to rushing the passer, he was only 1.5 sacks behind Taylor, the man he is replacing. I’m not really worried about if his pass rushing would be the main concern, being that he’s not replacing someone who had 10+ sacks last season.
That's what I'm saying also
The wait-and-see approach is understandable, but to question a guys endurance makes no sense. motor is one of the few things that transfer over from college automatically, and I know they condition these players tremendously so I’m not worried either. And Wake has shown pass rush ability on this level, his main weaknesses were the run/coverage aspect of being a linebacker. The fact that Dumervil wasn’t a great coverage LB tells me that, Wake could still have success.
Also another good thing you pointed out was who he is replacing. Sure in his prime JT was one of the best, but it’s not like he was racking up massive sacks, so I think Wake can definitely replace him/Porter from a Sack standpoint
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lol at mixed swirl
But yeah, its good that Odrick is commanding the double teams, because that leaves Starks with less linemen to deal with. It works out nice because both have the motor to get the sacks, so they’ll feed off of each other nicely I think.
And yes, good point that a lot of people seem to forget, its Odrick’s 2nd game in the NFL, the linemen are particularly bigger and stronger at this level, and he is playing a new position
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Taping it. Can't watch it until Tuesday.
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i’m watching it as soon as it airs. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Big thanks to Tex and Fr8
Your email breaking down some of our new formations really helped me ‘visualize’ things better. Nicely done, appreciated!
I gotta admit I loved seeing Pennington out there. Instant flashbacks to how it felt when he was digging us out of 1-15. To me he epitomizes leadership which can’t be shown in the stats. Overall, he seems to be able to calm the O and get things clicking.
I liked seeing Cobbs make some plays and take some hits. He’s one of my favorite players and to be honest I had been counting him out on getting healthy soon enough. Glad he seems to have proved me wrong!
I wouldn’t be too hard on Nolan Carroll. He’s never been a returner, and he’s had limited action as a starter through college. I only see him progressing and learning from mistakes.
One thing that has been on my mind since we got Nolan (the DC) is that McDaniels severely restricted his play calling in the second half of the season. Seeing us getting gashed a few times made me wonder if we aren’t setting expectations too high. But just typing that made me shiver with a wave of CLS so I’ll let that thought dangle…..
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hilliard made some plays at the end.
Iwant him to start the next game, as we know RB and Ricky and can’t afford for them to get hurt.
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LOL
But just typing that made me shiver with a wave of CLS so I’ll let that thought dangle…..
I agree about Nolan/McDaniels and I don’t really see Sparano playing the same game.
I think they will agree on the expectations up front, and then Tony will let Nolan do his thing during the season.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
From the outside McDaniels comes across as a petulant child.
No NFL coach (Nolan) is going to be unprofessional enough to rip his former boss for being an immature tantrum throwing, insecure control freak. So we don’t knowe if McDaniels is really like that. Two years from now, when he’s out of football because no one can stand him, is when we’ll probably get the truth.
Sparano is a straight shooter who is obviously more results driven than ego driven.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Marshall & Harline on the outside
Bess in the slot
Camarillo at #4 (but there are enough reports that say he’s not a lock to make the team)
Moore (I think he edged out Turner last night… but its so close it could swing back to Turner)
If Moore and Turner both show enough ability, and the FO determines that there isn’t a significant drop in skill set from Camarillo to either of those 2 guys, then Cammy is gone, and Moore and Turner make the squad, imnsho
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Cammy's days are numbered.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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We're talking about a guy who did not drop a ball.
Not one….that’s a guy I’d want on my team.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fans get too caught up on the smaller details.
Sure he didn’t drop a ball, sure he saved us from a defeated season….
But, is he really that good of a WR? Not really.
He’s consistent, but he’ll never be special
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Both Bess and Hartline are better possession WRs.
Now we shouldn’t cut him just to do it, but if we can get a speedster in the 4th or 5th next year, Cammy is bye-bye. Especially if Moore can step up as well.
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How many WR's in the league would attempt it lol
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that IS true
cammy is the only one i know of who can catch a call with his ass cheeks
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The Devil's in the details, as my dad used to say.
Look at the game winning drive vs the Jets last year.
On the game winning drive Henne went to Camarillo on 3rd and 5 for 14 yards and 3rd and 10 for 12 yards which took them down to the Jets 4 with a minute left.
Saying he’ll never be special is like saying Ricky Proehl was never special. The guy throws blocks, runs good routes, is smart as hell, is a great guy to have in the locker room and doesn’t drop balls thrown to him.
The last time we had a receiver like that we didn’t think he was all that great and we traded him to New England…we all know how that worked out.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Welker was much better than Cammy ever will be.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Not when he was here he wasn't
Welker in Miami
2005 16 games 29 rec 434 yds 0 TDs
2006 16 games 67 rec 687 yds 1 TD
Camarillo
2008 11 games 55 rec 613 yds 2 TDs
2009 16 games 50 rec 552 yds 0 TDs
More catches, more yards more TDs…go figure.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And that was his 3rd and 4th years.
he had how many his first year?
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Exactly....Welker's were his first 2 years...
Cammy had Chad Pennington throwing him the ball in 2008, and Henne in 2009…
Both of which are heads and shoulders against the QBs we had in 2005 and 2006….
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I'm not making this up
Those were Camarillo’s first two years as a starter. He rode pine for a year in SD, played special teams here in 2007 with no starts as a receiver in 15 games. He had 8 catches for 160 yds (20 yd ave) and the TD that saved us from infamy.
Welker also started in San Diego and then came here.
His first year as a Dolphin he was used exclusively as a kick returner….and caught exactly 0 passes.
My point is at this stage of their careers In Miami they are very similar players.
Welker did not explode until he ended up in New England with Tom Brady. He ended up there because he was a small, slow, possesion reciever we didn’t think had a future in the NFL. If we had he’s still be here.
I’m saying if we let Camarillo the same way and he ends up in a place like Green Bay or San Diego there’s a chance the same thing will happen.
I’d be hanging onto him until I was sure I had something (ie Vincent Jackson) that makes him absolutely the fifth receiver.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You are missing the point.
Welker’s first 2 years were with Miami. He played for San Diego for 1 week, and was then cut. We signed him immediately after.
So Welker’s first 2 years with us, were his first 2 years in the league.
The stats you are using for Camarillo were in his 3-4th years in the league… Welker’s 3rd and 4th years he had over a thousand yards, and over 100 receptions in both years…
There is really no comparison between the 2 at any stage of their careers.
In 2006 Welker led the Dolphins in receptions…
Now don’t get me wrong, we’ll hold on to him unless Moore/Turner impress the team a lot.
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I don't think I am.
Welker’s first year in the NFL was 2004
He was cut by SD, came here and spent the season returning kicks.
2005 was his second season in the NFL and his second season in Miami (- one game)
2006 was his third season in the NFL and his third season in Miami.
Then he was traded.
You’re saying he blossomed in his third year – but it was actually his 4th. I’m saying – and we’re apart by one year here- he blossomed because he was traded to a team with a passing attack.
You’re saying Camarillo wasn’t as good as Welker, I say the numbers dispute that, and that because he hasn’t exploded yet he never will. I’m saying there is the posibility if we trade him, or worse release him, the same thing could happen.
If they turn Henne loose there’s always the chance that he becomes Ricky Proehl here, which would be a lot beter than watching him do it in another uniform.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Camarillo and Welker
Phrozen is correct with Welker’s first two years. Welker did not catch a pass at all in 2004 and had 29 receptions and 434 yards with 0 TDs in year two.
For Camarillo, do I think he will turn into another Wes Welker? Probably not. Given that, he’s still a reliable WR and provides Miami with solid depth at WR. He may not be flashy or big like some of the younger WRs, but he’s much more reliable and this is why I think he stays on the roster. If we were going to discard a WR every time we get a big WR or a flashy one, pretty soon you’ll be saying Bess’ days in Miami will soon be over.
Cammy is in his 5th year in the league....
He’s not going to get any better. He’s consistent, but not good enough to hold on to just to hold on to….
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Turner still eligible for PS?
Even if so, I think he gets poached right away if he’s put there
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by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, he sure is.
As long as you aren’t active for 8 games I believe (i posted it in another thread, but can’t remember)
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I'm not so sure.
The rule states if you play 8 games, or are on the active roster for an entire year. I believe he was on the active roster all year last year. I’m assuming the 53 man roster is the active roster, and not the 45 man game day roster.
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I'm not sure...
Thats a good question though.
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45 man roster is the active
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Turner and the PS
Turner is allowed to be signed to the practice squad. Here are the rules:
1) Can’t play in more than 9 regular season games.
2) Can not be on the active roster for an entire year. The active roster is the 45-man roster, not the 53-man protected roster,
3) Can not be on the team’s roster for more than two years unless their roster never falls below 53.
For clarification purposes, the 45-man roster is considered the active roster because these are the players who are eligible to play on game day. The only exception to this is the player designated as the emergency QB. They can be considered inactive, but may still see playing time.
The 53-man roster is considered the protected roster since the players must be waived and have no protection from signing with other teams or they must be placed on the PUP or IR.
sooooooooo PW could go on the PS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nope..... He was active for 13 games...
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no, he was the emergency QB all season
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incorrect.
He was the #2 guy, which is why he was able to go in and run his package of plays.
After the Emergency QB goes in, neither of the 1st or 2nd QB’s can enter the game….
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oh yeah, I forgot those non-plays. What was it - 10 plays all year?
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Over 20 touches on the season
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Just saw MoJo's numbers rushing
4 rushes for -2 yards, and a total of 54 rushing yards for the Jags, fairly stout except for Jennings who had that nice 20 ish yarder
Vontae got him for a loss once in the open field.
Have to be impressed by that
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Vontae better be able to tackle because from what I am reading he can't cover very well.
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nope, he got beat a lot, and from what i was reading SS did too
but i must have missed him getting beat as badly as VD
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He's fine and he was injured during the game anyway
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What is that horendous line or block in your sig?
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Last year he was inconstent in coverage.
He was good sometimes…ie talking a ball away from Randy Moss in the EZ..and got torched sometimes…Moss beat him like a rented mule on a drag and then threw him away.
However an inconsistent athlete can improve with practice and experience…that’s all Davis needs right now. He has the potential to be an excellent cover guy.
His ability to come up hard and stick people in the flat, especially a guy like MJD is what sets him apart. He could be Rod Woodson good if he works at it and things fall into place.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny how people are concerned about our secondary
It’s even funnier that the concerns are about Vontae Davis and Sean Smith of all people. Has anyone noticed that nothing has been said about Chris Clemons? That’s a good thing, and he just might be able to provide some stability at FS. I’m not worried about Vontae or Sean because they already know what the deal is and I’ve seen what they can do.
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he made the plays that he needed to make
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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by Deuce Black on Aug 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, he didn't make any highlight reel plays
And nobody made a highlight reel against him…I’m okay with that.
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Yea I'd rather him be solid and not Gibril Wilson
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I worried about all 3.
So far the likes of Garrard and Freeman have lit up the secondary. Even playing vanilla coverages, they should be better than that. What happens when Nolan calls up a blitz in the regular season and it doesn’t work? The guys have to be able to execute man coverage. Here is a Sparano quote from last night:
"There are things in man coverage we need to take care of, and that does concern me, because that’s two weeks in a row that balls were completed downfield on us a few times," Sparano said.
"They had a couple of ‘chunk’ (yardage) plays. They’ve got a good group with Walker and Garrard, but we’ve got to be able to clean that up."
Here’s the thing. That isn’t a good group in Walker and Garrard. That is a bad group. With the exception of Buffalo week #1, name a worse group that the Phins will face in the 1st half of the season? I can’t. If Smith, Davis, Clemons, and Bell don’t pick it up in man coverage it is going to reduce the ability of Nolan to blitz. If that’s the case, where is the pressure coming from?
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I don’t know about Misi but I know Wake will provide some sacks, Nolan did it with Dumervil and he’ll do the same for Wake.
as far as our corners are concerned, they should be playing better than this but I’ll start to worry when this stuff is occurring in the regular season
Because Vontae and Sean were way better in man coverage last year, and Vontae slipped up on one of the plays plus he had an injury, so im not worried because its the preseason
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The corners have been playing so soft this preseason I'm not really surprised
Wait until the season starts, because they aren’t playing their A game right now. Vontae is a physical corner who had been playing off of his man by a good amount, I expect his mistakes to go down once they start letting him bump and run.
As for Smith, he was playing 5-10 yards off his man in the last 2 games, most noticeably that TD pass he gave to TB the other week.
exactly im not worried
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Are you so sure about that?
How many sacks has Wake had so far? 0………And he’s played almost 4 qtrs so far. I’ll start believing the hype when he starts producing.
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Thats because you always look for the worst in things....
I’m just saying
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I wouldn't quite put it that way.
I’m just being realistic. The guy has only played 167 snaps in the NFL. Yet he’s already a lock to get 10+ sacks this year. All I’ve been saying is I’ll believe the hype when he starts producing. I’ve always said he has the potential, but we both know what that means.
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Child please
Wake is just as talented a pass rusher as Dumervil, who happens to be very similar to Wake in many ways.
Dumervil is horrible against the run and is below average in coverage, but he can get to the QB…sound familiar? Well anyway insert Mike Nolans 3-4 and Dumervil has 17 sacks, I could definitely see the same thing happening for Wake
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One big difference between the two.
Elvis Dumervil has 43 sacks in 4 NFL years as an every down player. 12.5 of those in 2007 without Mike Nolan.
Cameron Wake has 5.5 sacks in 167 snaps in passing only situations.
Dumervil has proven to be a pass rushing threat in the NFL through years of production. Until Wake does the same, all he has is potential.
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Salguero is reporting that not 1 blitz has been called for the 1st team defensive unit
Don’t worry about the corners, we know what we’ve got. We have not put any pressure on the QBs except base packages.
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Exactly
and if no or limited pressure is created on the QB, the WR have all day to get open against even the best corners.
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by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But with no blitzers.
We should have 7 men dropping back in coverage. Which is where you should be getting coverage sacks, which we aren’t.
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I don't know that this team is built for coverage sacks at this point
Though ideally, yes, I would agree with you
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well considering we've supposedly upgraded our LB and safety coverage issues.
We should be better suited this year than we were last year.
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We didn't supposedly ugrade
we DID upgrade our LB coverage. Last year Dansby was ranked 3rd coverage linebacker by profootballfocus
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Deuce, when will you learn.
Sure Dansby is an upgrade. But he can’t cover everybody now can he? Because other than Dansby, we have Crowder (who we all know can’t cover anybody), Misi (a rookie), and Wake (who only played coverage in 3 snaps last year). You can’t upgrade a whole unit based on one player.
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Your right he can't cover everybody
that’s why we also drafted A.j. Edds who was going to see play time immediately as a nickel linebacker (but he tore his acl). So him and Dansby alone were good enough…and I didnt even mention Misi’s coverage ability so…
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You're seriously going to bring up Edds?
Once he was put on IR he became completely irrelevant to this discussion. Stick with who’s playing.
You must be psychic, because only a psychic could predict that two rookies will easily make the transition to the NFL and be able to cover NFL RBs and TEs better than 3 NFL vets, all with 8 or more years of experience. Then again, you think Ginn will be good. So I’m not sure why I would expect anything else.
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Yes I seriously brought up Edds
Well considering we’ve supposedly upgraded our LB and safety coverage issues.
We should be better suited this year than we were last year
You say we “supposedly” upgraded our LB coverage issues…and It seems you forgot that we picked up 2 linebackers in the draft who excel at just that. Then you add Dansby to the mix and you have yourself an upgrade.
You must be psychic, because only a psychic could predict that two rookies will easily make the transition to the NFL and be able to cover NFL RBs and TEs better than 3 NFL vets, all with 8 or more years of experience. Then again, you think Ginn will be good. So I’m not sure why I would expect anything else.
Did I say both rookies will make an easy transition? My point was that the FO made the effort to upgrade our LB coverage issues. Every single linebacker in the unit doesn’t have to be coverage aces to be effective. Elvis Dumervil is straight trash, in coverage yet it didn’t stop him from getting 17.5 sacks.
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I was quoting others who believe we've made the upgrade. Hence the word, "supposedly".
It’s hard to get any worse than we were last year, but you can’t definitively say we’ve upgraded anything. Arguing that a 4th round rookie will produce better than an 8 year NFL veteran is asinine. I’m not saying it’s not possible, but highly unlikely in his rookie year. Even arguing that a 2nd round draft pick is going to play better than a 36 year old former all pro is far fetched. Once again, not impossible, just improbable in their rookie season.
I never said they all had to be coverage aces, but I don’t see the same skill level in what we have this year compared to last year. Hopefully they prove me wrong this year. But until they prove it, I’m going to call it as it is.
So Dumervil is trash in coverage? And you’re basing that off his first and only year as an OLB? You do realize he was a DE his first 3 years in the league right? I don’t expect Wake to be great in coverage, but I do expect him to not be a liability.
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umm
Arguing that a 4th round rookie will produce better than an 8 year NFL veteran is asinine.
who argued this?
Even arguing that a 2nd round draft pick is going to play better than a 36 year old former all pro is far fetched.
who argued this?
I never said they all had to be coverage aces, but I don’t see the same skill level in what we have this year compared to last year.
Really? This whole discussion is about coverage LBs..
So Dumervil is trash in coverage? And you’re basing that off his first and only year as an OLB? You do realize he was a DE his first 3 years in the league right? I don’t expect Wake to be great in coverage, but I do expect him to not be a liability.
Yes Dumervil is trash in coverage, I’m calling it like I see it.
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I've always wondered if you read my comments. Now I need to wonder if you read your own.
Who argued this? You did.
“You say we "supposedly" upgraded our LB coverage issues…and It seems you forgot that we picked up 2 linebackers in the draft who excel at just that. Then you add Dansby to the mix and you have yourself an upgrade.” – Your comment
Ok, so you’re assuming that by getting Dansby and drafting 4th rounder AJ Edds and 2nd rounder Koa Misi, we have upgraded our LB corp over what we had last year. You do remember who our LBs were last year right? 4th rounder AJ Edds would be replacing 8 year NFL vet Akin Ayodele. 2nd round pick Koa Misi would be replacing 36 year old former all pro Jason Taylor. I can’t believe I have to explain your own arguments to you.
Yes, this discussion is about coverage LBs. At what point did I deviate from that?
“Yes Dumervil is trash in coverage, I’m calling it like I see it.” – I forgot, you must have watched every Broncos game last year to know this. So I’ll just take this as your opinion, which at this point has little to no merit.
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lmao
I’m sorry where did I say either draft pick would be better than than a future H.O.F. in Jason Taylor?
Last time I checked this discussion was about…
Well considering we’ve supposedly upgraded our LB and safety coverage issues.
hmm now I’m wondering if you read YOUR own damn comments.
Karlos Dansby is replacing Akin Ayodele, so there should be no discussion that this was an upgrade in COVERAGE. Now for nickel packages Edds was supposed to come in and cover (most likely replacing Crowder) once again another upgrade in COVERAGE.
you must have watched every Broncos game last year to know this. So I’ll just take this as your opinion, which at this point has little to no merit.
No fortunately I didn’t watch every Broncos game last year but luckily Profootballfocus.com did. And the ranked Dumervil in the bottom third of COVERAGE lbs. So don’t take my word for it, these guys are professionals
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Why do I even bother with you?
I must be a glutton for punishment.
I just showed you your own damn comment saying getting Dansby and two rookies who excelled in coverage in COLLEGE, would be an upgrade over our coverage LBs last year. How much clearer do I need to be? Do I need to add pictures for you?
As for who Dansby replaced, who is this years Mike LB? It’s Dansby. Who was last years Mike LB? It was Crowder. Therefore it’s Dansby who is replacing Crowder, and Crowder was moved into Ayodele’s spot.
Once again you’re trying to assume a 4th round rookie is going to come into the NFL and play better than an 8 year NFL vet Ayodele, as that is who he would have replaced this year. You have zero basis for this argument other than your own asinine assumptions based on nothing relevant.
Last but not least, as I stated before, what more would you expect from Dumervil considering it was his first year as an OLB after 3 years as a DE? You also have to take into account they go by stats. Considering he wasn’t asked to cover as much as other LBs he’s not going to tally the stats that pure cover LBs would. So of course he’s going to rate in the bottom third. But I bet he ranked in the top 10 for RUSHING LBs.
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Smh
Once again you’re trying to assume a 4th round rookie is going to come into the NFL and play better than an 8 year NFL vet Ayodele, as that is who he would have replaced this year.
I’m sorry but did you actually see Ayodele cover last year? It’s couldn’t have been any worse so yes I’ll take an athletic rookie LB over him any day on 3rd downs.
But I bet he ranked in the top 10 for RUSHING LBs.
Whoa! He is,how did you know that! You really are psychic!
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I'm sorry....
But have you seen Edds cover in the NFL? What’s that? NO. Gee, I wonder why. Because he’s a rookie!!!! For all you know he could have been worse, so stop pretending he’s done something that would prove otherwise. You’re so thick sometimes.
You’re the one comparing him to coverage LBs even though he rushed the passer 2/3 of the time he was on the field. That’s like saying Dansby is a crappy rushing LB because he’s in the bottom third of the league in rushing LBs. Even though that wasn’t his primary job so of course his stats are going to reflect that.
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Alright then
Edds is unproven, but he really couldn’t be any worse than Ayodele in coverage…
And I used Dumervil to prove that every linebacker in your unit doesn’t have to be a coverage ace. Therefore the addition of Dansby is an upgrade and should impact the core as a whole (coverage wise) greatly.
You’re the one comparing him to coverage LBs even though he rushed the passer 2/3 of the time he was on the field. That’s like saying Dansby is a crappy rushing LB because he’s in the bottom third of the league in rushing LBs. Even though that wasn’t his primary job so of course his stats are going to reflect that.
Actually Profootballfocus.com doesn’t base their rankings off stats…
The goal of our detailed grading process is to gauge how players execute their roles over the course of a game by looking at the performance of each individual on each play. We look beyond the stat sheet at game footage to try to gain an understanding of how well a lineman is blocking on a given play, how much space and help a runner is being given on a play, how effectively a pass rusher brings pressure or how well a defender covers a receiver.
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Upgrading a unit based on one player....
Can only happen if all the other parts remain equally talented. Yes Dansby is great in coverage, but the other 3 LBs that were to take over have a combined 3 NFL snaps in pass coverage. So in a worse case scenario they could all turn out to be worse in coverage than who we had last year. In which case we would not have upgraded our LB coverage unit by upgrading one player, and downgrading 3.
And let me repeat myself once again…..I never said they all have to be coverage aces.
As for profootballfocus, you do understand that they watch every play and quantify each play into stats right? Then take all those stats and use them to create their rankings. How else do you think they come up with their rankings? Opinion? I don’t think they’d have any credibility if that’s what it was based on.
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Well crap
I guess we can throw in Eric Berry being better than Gibril Wilson out the window because thinking a rookie player will produce better than Gibril Wilson (7 year veteran) is just asinine. The Chiefs fans will be so disappointed when I go to their board…
Then again, I could place a tackling dummy in the secondary and it would be an upgrade.
What has Eric Berry done to prove he's better?
I’m sorry, but to assume a rookie is going to produce better than even a mediocre NFL player is asinine. I bet there were plenty of people who thought Ryan Leaf was going to play well in the NFL.
You’re also comparing a FS with a SS. We all know Wilson was not suited to play the FS position. So for a better comparison would be someone like Atogwe. Solid starter, but not a pro bowler. Yeah, he’s only got 5 years but it’s a better comparison. Do you believe Berry will perform better than Atogwe?
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Look at it this way
We have Dansby who is good in coverage. Misi has also shown ability in coverage thus far. That’s a moot point on Misi in this.
Last year we had Taylor, Ayodele, Crowder, and Porter. None of them were good covering players. This year Miami added one who has proved he is better in coverage than any of those guys. An upgrade from 0 to 1 is still an upgrade, no matter how sad it may be.
exactly
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And as I told Deuce.....
Dansby can’t cover everyone. Yes he’s better at coverage than everyone we had last year. I’m not debating that. But I don’t think Misi and Wake can be considered an improvement over Taylor and Porter. While Porter wasn’t great at coverage, he is better than Wake. Misi is a rookie, so we don’t really know what we will get out of him. But we did know Taylor was no slouch in coverage, and was probably our best coverage LB last year.
You can’t upgrade a unit as a whole based on one player. Especially if the other replacements aren’t upgrades over the people they replaced. Let’s not base our assessments on potential, and instead base them on what is fact.
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The upgrade
Jason Taylor probably was our best coverage LB, which is very sad because he was average at best with it. I won’t call Misi and Wake upgrades until they prove it in the season, but I will say it won’t take much from them to be an upgrade. I do think it is quite possible the LB coverage will be much improved.
Now that's an argument that makes sense.
“I do think it is quite possible the LB coverage will be much improved.”
I believe the same thing, but I’m not ready to call it a fact until I see them prove it during the season.
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we really didn't upgrade the S position, except we have a new starter.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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actually it remains to be seen if we upgraded or just have a new starter
since there have been no posts, comments or highlight reels so far (like there were with Gerbil all year) I am tending toward upgraded . . . so far
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I mean we didn't pick a high round guy, FA or trade for one
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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Coverage sacks
That would require players such as Davis, Smith, and Carroll to be locked down on their men, which isn’t quite happening.
True
but there also isnt much pressure either. Once we start getting some pressure going then the ball will come out quicker therefore more plays for our dbs
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Of course
I’m not debating that portion. I was debating the theory that Miami’s DL should still be getting sacks because 7 men are dropping into coverage and thus nobody should be open. The problem is, the players are open, thus eliminating solid chances for coverage sacks. Now when Miami starts using more blitz packages and covers their schemes, things will change.
I was agreeing with you
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Coverage blitzes
Coverage blitzes only come when the CBs cover their men well enough for a period of time, which they haven’t.
So far the likes of Garrard and Freeman have lit up the secondary.
Garrad/McCowan were 9/11 for 118 yds in the first half, despite having completions of 35, 22, and 25 yds. McCowan was sacked and fumbled and the Jags managed 1 TD.
Freeman was 4/4 for 53 yds and a TD.
I’m not sure that qualifies as “lit up.” If so we’re goinmg to need welding glasses when the Patriots come to town.
The thing about blitzing is it’s a chicken/egg relationship. Pressure takes away time and space and forces Qbs to read and react quicker. Lots of pressure coming from different places can make a secondary better at coverage because they’ve already got an idea where the ball is likely to go.
Nolan had a top ranked defence in Denver with two DBs we figured we didn’t need. We should be OK with the ones we kept.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver has Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins
they have a better secondary than us
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 22, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They also have Renaldo Hill and Andre Goodman
Two players we chose not to keep.
I’ll accept the obvious that Bailey, even in his 12th year is better than Smith or Davis. I’m not buying that Dawkins is better than YBell.
Nolan took four vets, only two of whom had played together (under a different system) and forged trhem into an effective unit…they did, however have a frtont 7 which applied a lot of pressure.
Now he has a core of young DBs, every one of whom is more athletic than what he left behind. …give him and them a little time and I suspect we’re going to be looking at a very good secondary for years to come.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually they have been talking about Clemons.
Especially that poor tackling performance he had in the TB game. Overall our entire secondary had a bad game in the Jags game.
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Haven't seen the game yet except for Sportscenter
Had a 10 minute story about a 12 year girl knuckle ball pitcher out to “change the world” and 30 seconds of Dolphins coverage. Thanks for that.
From the very short couple clips I saw one was Pennington lofting one out to BMarsh and him going up between two, throwing one down before mercifully going out of bounds. I have not seen a Dolphin receiver do that in a long time, if ever. Damn it feels good to have a true #1 receiver.
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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 22, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, several plays ended like that
Marshall coming back for the ball, juking the corner out of his cleats and when the opportunity presents itself for him to do it again, he trots out of bounds. Its preseason so its a good idea cause an injury for a TD chance isn’t worth it in the preseason, he could have easily gotten around 5 yards more on each of those plays. Me = Excited
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CT?
What the hell are you talking about?Henne has a rocket for an arm
he is working on his touch=get real
Anyone else wonder why were seeing so much of Ronnie, Ricky and Cobbs this pre-season
We know what these guys can do. They’re proven players for us. Hilliard is the unknown here. We need to find out if Hilliard can run against 1st team defenses.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Not really.
I’ve heard of RB’s liking to get as many carries as possible during the preseason to get into the groove. Also, I think Polite needs to get reps with both Ricky and Ronnie because they have such different running styles. And Cobbs was injured last year, so I’m sure the coaches want to see where he’s at. As far as Hilliard goes, I think the coaches saw enough of him last year to have an idea of what he offers.
I do not care about Hilliard, I want Ronnie, the Polite Monster and RunRickyRun fully ready when the games count.
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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Cause it makes sense to run a 34 yr. old and injury prone rb alot during pre-season
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 22, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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are you seein what im feelin
WATCH PARTY FROM THE 542
MY TRAILORHOOD IS PUMPED
I have no idea wtf you just said....
but
Word Dog.
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what?
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm.....dumb da dumb dum....DUMB
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So do we all bro, so do we all....
But you need to make some kind of sense if you want people to interact with you normally lol.
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SENSE?
I read comments that make" SENSE"
Then there is some CRAZY small print i have no idea what the that is
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The smaller print is just someones sig line. Not in fact a comment!
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and if your answering a particular comment use to reply button on the bottom of that
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by texascowpunk on Aug 22, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
More late tomorrow night?
Well Matty. It’s late tomorrow night. I’ve been checking in all day to see what else you had to say about the game. You sure know how to keep a moron in suspense, don’t you? Just saying I look forward to coming here everyday to see what you and my fellow fans have to say about our Dolphins. I visit about a half dozen sites for my Dolphin news, but this is always my first and last stop. Thank you, your other writers and all the fine fans I’ve come to enjoy here.
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He got a sack in his new position and that while playing in a very vanilla defense. Gives me some confidence to his ability to disrupt the interior line and create opportunities for others along with himself.

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