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Dolphins Training Camp, Day 17: Brandon Marshall bounces back

See - Brandon can still catch.

The Dolphins hit the practice field twice earlier today. And the nightlight of the day involved another punt...by another player who is not Dolphins punter Brandon Fields.

Marshall getting back to normal self
The talk of the past couple days has been about Brandon Marshall's sudden case of the "dropsies" and his infamous punt of a ball that he dropped in practice yesterday that would have been a touchdown. Today Marshall bounced back, catching 3 of the 4 passes thrown his way during team drills in the morning practice. After one of his catches, one that resulted in a touchdown, Marshall took the football and punted it again - perhaps making a statement to those who were in attendance. Omar Kelly believes he may have been making a statement to the media - his way of telling them they are making too much over nothing.

In between practices, the media asked Tony Sparano about Marshall's punting display. Sparano must have missed the incidents, though:

"I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have no idea."

"I didn’t see it, but I got bigger fish to fry than to worry about that. If he drops them and he gets pissed off at himself about dropping them, I’m OK with that."

Considering they happened right on the field and everybody else seemed to notice, I doubt Sparano has no idea about what happened. I think he's just trying to put out this small media fire before it gets out of control.

The Sun-Sentinel's Ethan Skolnick, like many of us, is wondering why this is even a big story - writing that Marshall is just showing that he cares. And Ethan's right. I'd be more worried if Brandon didn't care about his drops.

Marshall's teammates seem to be having fun with this punting trend as well. Brandon reportedly also looked much better in the evening session, too. But that didn't stop Vontae Davis from poking some fun at the situation.

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Davis, after breaking up a pass in the evening session intended for Marshall, promptly picked up the ball and punted it up into the air. Afterward, Vontae explained:

"He knows how to push your buttons. Now I do the same thing, I try to push his buttons. It's camp. We're trying to have fun."

Clearly the team is having fun with this. Most would agree that too much is being made of Marshall's drops and of the post-play punts. And you can count me as one who agrees with Sparano - I trust that Marshall will make these plays when they count. He's done it time and time again in Denver. That's not going to chance in Miami.

Camp Quick Hits

  • Nate Garner is expected to be out for 4 to 8 weeks after having surgery on his foot last week. He's a big loss but the line has the depth to survive for the early part of the season.
  • The starting offensive line might be taking shape. We'll probably know for sure after Saturday's preseason game. But right now it's looking like Richie Incognito will start the year as the first-team left guard, Joe Berger at center, and rookie John Jerry at right guard. Jerry even lined up with the first team in the evening session despite having a slightly hurt leg or knee.
  • Channing Crowder sat out of the evening session but it's unknown what might be bothering him.
  • Patrick Cobbs and Tim Dobbins have been practicing. Hopefully they will be able to get some work in on Saturday.

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Marshall didn't have the only drops ;^J

It’s a bad excuse, particularly for a team that plays in a rainy area, but slick is slick, there were quite a few drops in that game.

by uncle finster on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

No drops by the starting WR's for the Bucs.

Don’t forget that Freeman went 4-4 with a TD against the #1 Defense of the Phins. I think there was a lack of concentration by the #1 offense that resulted in bad play. Dropped passes, illegal procedure penalties usually point to lack of concentration.

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by ct1361 on Aug 18, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was comparing the Buc's starting WR's to the Phins starting WR's

By my count it was 3 drops for the Phins and none for the Bucs. That is all I am saying. The ball and weather didn’t affect them.

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by ct1361 on Aug 18, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a small sample size. I still didn't like the way our starters on offense came out. I don't think they were mentally prepared to play.

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by ct1361 on Aug 18, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad offense was bad Saturday, good learning experience.

Now they just got to grind it out through practice and they will be sure to execute more precisely come this weekend. I myself would rather this have happen than to have the Offense have every little thing go right for them all pre-season and be thinkin we got this we got this, then bam brick wall regular season with no adversity to draw from.

by cdizzy on Aug 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vontae punting the ball is classic

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 17, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

hope it catches on

maybe it becomes a post play celebration, mimicking a punt. that would be funny. kinda like in the past with the Joey crankstart, or i think the Giants had the jumpshot after sacks in their superbowl season…

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by BULLieving in Miami on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha yeah that would be awesome

Any time BMarsh makes a big play, it’ll be mandatory that you punt some item as hard as you can when you’re in the stands. Whether it’s your drink cup or the nearest Jets fan’s wallet, you gotta kick the shit outta something

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by Dolphinole on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

c'mon

he’s got his money. Now you coast till your last year or two of the contract…

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by Phintastic on Aug 18, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

marshall, henne, and the gang

This team will revolutionize the sport. Be patient with Henne. He is the first soon to be great qb that is acclimating to a situation when the coach says, “son, it’s your team…but you’ll only get two snaps per series on several occasions”. While other up and comers get three downs to make a name, get a first down, maybe even take three shots in the air per series, our boy Chad will often have to succeed with two. I can’t stress the implications the dirty kitty has on our offense. A healthy Ronnie is the Kitty. It’s not PWhite taking the snap, it’s Ronnie with the Rick on the sweep. In fact, the only reason Henne may become great under this revolutionary offense may only be because to put it simply, “That’s all he knows”…
This will be the year this team wins the Super Bowl. The team speed on defense will resemble The U of the 80’s. B Marshall will demand a safety over the top, stretch defenses to their breaking points, and expand the weapons of the Dirty Kitty in ways that have never been done and never been seen.
So there you have it my dolphin brethren. It’s our best team since ‘72, more balanced than ’85. Don and Dan will smile as will we…let’s enjoy the ride.

by fishfan54 on Aug 18, 2010 12:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

idk really know what to say to this

i love th enthusiasm and although i dont agree with evythign u say (or your use of the “the dirty kitty”) ill just let htis one slide.
good job i think
yeah
good job.

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by FINland on Aug 18, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have too high of hopes for Henne. I believe he will be a solid QB but not an elite QB.

Great QB’s just dont that the 3 second wind up he has. Its horribly slow and its a major flaw. Also Im not sure he will ever really be able to become a touch passer. Maybe it was not all Ginns fault last season? Maybe Henne’s passes are just too hot to catch sometimes.

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by MainePhinFan on Aug 18, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henne's passing

His passes weren’t too hot to catch for Bess, Hartline, and especially Camarillo. While I don’t necessarily think Henne is close to becoming elite, I won’t say he can’t. Nobody expected QBs like Brady to be an elite QB and they don’t always fit the prototypical mold of how a QB throws a pass either.

by Finhead83 on Aug 18, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't make excuses for professional receivers

Ginn had key drops before Henne even took over – in that Indianapolis game as I remember – it could have won the game it was a good throw by pennington.

Look I agree that Henne isn;t in the great catagory – nor does he need to be to be successful. The guy is tough – he is smart – he has a great arm – looks like a leader to me. He’ll be fine.

Marshall and Hartline i’m sure would both tell you they should have caught those balls that last game – let’s not overreact to the first pre-season game.

by scrappy the wildcat on Aug 18, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henne has been working with a timer in camp this year...

He has a 3 or 4 second “shot clock” every snap in camp. According to the reporters, he has rarely, if ever, gone over the buzzer this camp. This will help with his decision making and pocket presence.

And I thought Henne showed improved touch in the Bucs game. That pass to Marshall was perfect IMO. Yeah, the ball was wet and heavy. But Henne couldn’t have thrown it any softer of the ball would have been defended. And he could have thrown it in there with more velocity. That was just a drop of a well thrown ball.

I’m not saying Henne is, or will be elite. But he has the tools to be a top tier QB in the league. If he improves his decision making, then we have our franchise QB for the next 12-15 years.

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by The Earl on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

almost

sounds like a CFL situation. Their QB’s dont get but 2 snaps either

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by E_Dove on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

jerry is interesting...

you know, i really thought the o-line was one of our stronger points last year and to see john jerry step in and earn a starting spot so far is quite impressive in my opinion. he must be doing a lot right and not much wrong…. i hope :-)

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by colinmc82 on Aug 18, 2010 12:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think its kinda funny...

Jerry was our only offensive pick. He and Carroll were the two picks in the draft that people were like “Who is that and why did we draft him?” and it turns out they may be the best two picks of the entire Dolphins 2010 class.

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by The Earl on Aug 18, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

but if Odrick and Misi

come on as expected, this could our best draft in years…

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by Phintastic on Aug 18, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly...

If you can get one productive starter out of a draft, you have done well. If you draft 2 productive starters, you’ve had a steal. If you get 3, you are sitting on a gold mine. I know its early and we really won’t know just how good these guys can be until the regular season.. But it looks right now that we locked down several positions of need with this draft.

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by The Earl on Aug 18, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

just like last year’s draft, it could be great, but only time will tell.

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by Phintastic on Aug 18, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Berger starting for Grove is a really big deal.

If this happens and Berger starts against Buffalo, do the Phins even keep Grove on the roster? I don’t know if you can have a backup offensive lineman that can only play center. The roster makeup doesn’t really allow for that. Most backup offensive lineman need to play multiple positions.

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by ct1361 on Aug 18, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know if a trade is possible with Grove's contract.

What team is going to trade for a Center that makes $5M / year and can’t stay healthy? The Phins might just have to cut him.

If he is cut, then all of us who were against his signing can say “I told you so!” =)

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by ct1361 on Aug 18, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grove

Grove will remain with Miami, even if Berger does remain the starter. Cutting him at this point would cost more than keeping him.

by Finhead83 on Aug 18, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus

if a guard goes down then berger moves over and Grove comes in, we dont lose too much in that scenario.

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by Phintastic on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that. There is no salary cap.

Grove already has his guaranteed money. Wouldn’t the Phins save his salary for this year if they cut him? He signed a 5 year deal for $29 million with $14.5 guaranteed. If he isn’t starting that now looks like a real bad contract!

I don’t think the normal rules apply this year because of not having a salary cap. Cut him and save like $3 million could be an option.

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by ct1361 on Aug 18, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct. This is the year to cut ties with a guy if you are going to do it.

Now if he still has guaranteed money due him then it will still cost you.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cost of Grove

I’m not saying it’ll cost them more against the cap. What I’m saying is Grove’s portion of the signing bonus exceeds the amount of money Miami will pay him this year anyways. My point is if Miami has given him that much of a bonus, why try cutting him to save a few million when you’ve guaranteed so much to him anyways? I wouldn’t consider that cutting their losses. Pretty much, they would have Grove play one year for about $17M if they released him.

by Finhead83 on Aug 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, when all else fails Matty....Punt!

   I’m real concerned now Matty. Didn’t we get Brandon Marshall so he would catch footballs, not punt them? I wonder how far he punted that ball, anyway. Do you think he could go toe to toe with Fields? (The Punter). And no I’m not talking about Turf Toe, either!

by nicoltony on Aug 18, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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