Highlights and lowlights from Dolphins preseason opener
by Matty I on Aug 16, 2010 5:15 AM EDT
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It may have been sloppy and, at times, uninteresting. But it's still Dolphins football - and a win.
The Dolphins opened their 2010 preseason at a rain-soaked Sun Life Stadium and were out-played, totaling over a hundred yards fewer than Tampa Bay - who were one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. Still, despite what some might want you to think, the sky is not falling. It's not time to panic. The season is not doomed.
Okay?
So let's talk about both the positives and negatives from Saturday night's 10-7 win over the Bucs.
HIGHLIGHTS
-Defensive tackle Paul Soliai looked like a different player on the field Saturday night. His insanely athletic "leap" to recover that fumble was impressive enough. But more importantly, he was virtually unblockable - even by two offensive linemen. He was also at his best when he wasn't asked to be the nose tackle, but rather lining up off the center as a defensive tackle. That's something to note as we see how Mike Nolan works Soliai into the defensive line rotation.
-Rookies Jared Odrick and Koa Misi were both very active in their first action a professionals. Odrick was being double-teamed more than nose tackle Randy Starks was. And he still displayed good power, standing up his man at the point of attack a couple of times. Misi, meanwhile, was active when he as on the field. We saw his coverage skills on display as well as a good power rush right at the offensive tackle, who probably had a good 40 pounds on Koa. It's still worth noting (and if you read Omar Kelly's work, then you are well aware) that though Misi did start, Ike Alama-Francis split action with him with the first-team defense.
-Cornerback Nate Ness is making a case to be on this team. He practically protected the win by himself with his two pass break-ups in the endzone and then the forced fumble that sealed the game. All told, Ness had 4 tackles, 3 pass break-ups, and 2 forced fumbles. Now that's a day's work. If the Dolphins keep a sixth cornerback as insurance considering Will Allen's knee issue, Ness made a strong case to be that guy.
-Rookie corner Nolan Carroll may become the favorite to return kickoffs after his one strong return of 27 yards on Saturday. Carroll is going to be on the team - which already gives him an advantage over a guy who would be just a return man like Tristan Davis. I'm thinking Carroll starts getting the bulk of the work in practice as the kick returner to see what he can do with more experience at the job.
-Receivers Patrick Turner and Marlon Moore both rose to the occasion as they battle to be the fifth receiver. But the edge goes to Turner if he keeps this play up because of the investment made by the Dolphins to him. Moore, Julius Pruitt, and Roberto Wallace all are practice squad options, too.
-Rookie right guard John Jerry quietly had a hell of a game. He displayed his pure strength on a couple of running plays, wiping out the man in front of him. I suspect Jerry will actually win the starting job, meaning Richie Incognito, Donald Thomas, Nate Garner, and Cory Procter will all be battling for the left guard job.
-Ronnie Brown looked strong out there. He ran for 16 yards on his first two carries since recovering from foot surgery. He didn't look hesitant at all - even on the mud. And he played the entire first half. Ronnie looks to be ready to go when some questioned if he'd be 100% by opening day.
-Cornerback Sean Smith did allow that one touchdown when he played too soft despite having safety help. He needs to be right up on the receiver in that situation. But he quietly had a good game. He showed improved tackling and picked off that long pass from Josh Johnson. It wasn't a tough interception - but he showed he can turn around and locate the football (I hope Vontae took notes).
-Defensive end Lionel Dotson had a solid game against Tampa's number two offensive line. He really owned his side all night.
-Punter Brandon Fields had a hell of a game. He averaged over 50 yards per punt, with three 60+ yarders. It may sound unimportant, but those kinds of punts can instantly change those field-position battles which greatly influence games.
LOWLIGHTS
-Receivers Brandon Marshall and Brian Hartline - the two starters - combined for one receptions and three drops. Marshall's second drop, in particular (pictured above) was rather disgusting. But let's all relax. Like Brandon said, he's caught over 300 balls the past three years. He hasn't suddenly forgotten how to catch. He'll be fine. Let's just move on.
-Cornerback Vontae Davis needs to show improvement at turning and locating the football. He had perfect position on that deep ball to Mike Williams. But he couldn't find the ball and Williams made the 30 yard reception. Not acceptable.
-Three penalties from the starting offensive line in just over a quarter? Really? Let's knock off the stupid mistakes.
-Offensive tackle Andrew Gardner had a rough night. His man beat him too many times. Right now, he's behind Lydon Murtha for that final OT spot.
-Center Jake Grove isn't going to win back his starting job by making poor snaps. Yes, the field conditions were terrible. But Joe Berger didn't have that problem, did he? Grove needs to get his act together quickly or he's going to be a back-up to start the year.
-Is it safe to say that quarterback Pat White is a long shot to make the roster? He played three snaps - a hand-off and two kneel-downs. But they were perfect kneel-downs, though.
-Safety Chris Clemons needs to improve his tackling. I was underwhelmed with his performance. He didn't lock up the starting spot like I thought he could with a good showing. Now the battle will continue into next week's game.
Random Thoughts
-Chad Henne wasn't as bad as people are making it seem. His throw to Brian Hartline on that 3rd & 10 was right on the money despite Henne having a defender coming right at his face. And his 5/11 line looks drastically different if those three drops are caught. How's 8/11 for 50+ yards sound? Not great, but much better. I know some of you are already going to start calling for Henne's head. But that's just ridiculous. Henne will be just fine.
-We didn't see any exotic blitzes from Mike Nolan. He's holding them back for the real games.
-I also think the offense held back with their play-calling, particularly with the starters. We'll see more down-field passing. Trust me.
-Yes, I agree with all of you. This coaching staff needs to let their team practice in less than ideal conditions (i.e. rain). Not all the time. But definitely some of the time.
-It was only one game and the starters played in poor conditions. So let's all take a step back from the ledge.
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Great Recap
The “Sky is Falling” types are incredibly frustrating.
For those who want to write the season off right now, here are some stats for you.
Miami Dolphins
2009 Preseason 4-0
2009 Season 7-9
2008 Preseason 3-1
2008 Regular Season 11-5
2007 Preseason 2-2
2007 Regular Season 1-15
Indianapolis Colts
2009 Preseason 1-3
2009 Season 14-2
2008 Preseason 1-4
2008 Regular Season 12-4
2007 Preseason 1-3
2007 Regular Season 13-3
The trend is that preseason performance has absolutely no bearing on regular season performance. The Colts’ record in the preseason is regularly terrible, and their regular season prowess this past decade is legendary. As for the Dolphins, their preseason records jump around, but have little to say about their regular seasons.
We won in ugly fashion, but it really wouldn’t have mattered if we lost in the same fashion. As has been said, Mike Nolan is not going to show his hand, and the offense often comes out vanilla in the preseason. Wait until at least week 4 of the Regular Season to build your apocalypse shelters.
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Aug 16, 2010 5:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
VERY NICE POINT
I AGREE WITH U 10000000000%
by Goon305Boy10 on Aug 16, 2010 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't post at all here very often, but...
keep in mind who the backup QB is on the colts, and why their pre-season record is like that.
But regardless, you are very much correct.
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
I could have also pointed out the Pats
But it isn’t as pronounced as the Colts. Also, it would have hurt :)
Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.
The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.
by dolphinfanatic717 on Aug 17, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
:)
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Down with Big Brother!
by patriotguy2 on Aug 17, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the ultimate fact why preseason results is not important?
Detroit Lion ’08:
Preseason: 4-0
Regular season: 0-16
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 17, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What was the pre-season record in the Undefeated Season?
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Honestly, i think
the team actually looked kind of GOOD, not toooo many things to worry about… BUT CHRIS CLEMONS was in bad position on so many plays, that safety spot is getting me real nervous TEAMS ARE GOING TO EXPOSE THAT!
Tyler Thigpen
Or as he is known to the “experts” on this board “The invisible man”. Always gives 100% but is never acknowledged as in the race for QB. Henne is CP with a bigger arm, who just can’t seem to use it. Maybe the coaches game plan was to not go deep and he had a leash on him? Maybe. But he didn’t do it last year either. Please take off the blinders and judge the players with the same yardstick. I took a lot of garbage last year for my post’s about Henne and so far nothing I’ve seen yet has changed my mind.
Tyler Thigpen
honestly this guy doesn’t look like he should be considered for the starting QB spot and is right where he should be. He’s a great backup with plenty of starting experience so you know he can lead the huddle and perform.
The thing about this guy is he will throw as many terrible passes as he does spectacular passes, and they’re both a high number… that level of inconsistency just won’t pull it.
Unfair comparison
Thigpen doesn’t work with the first team like Henne does. When he’s been put into games it’s a “learn on the job” experience. Timing with receivers is a long process under practice conditions, in a real game it’s just what you described, inconsistent. Every time the ball is snapped the D has to guard against The Bomb with thigpen in. That urgency is not apparent with Henne in there. They load the box and run very basic secondaries. Same thing happened when we had “The fastest player in the universe” running patterns for us. NO FEAR.
by tony goodstuff on Aug 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
same could've been said about Henne last year
he was in TC last year behind Penne, didn’t do as much practicing with the first stringers.
you aren't setious, right?
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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"serious"?
He’s goodstuff, so he’s gotta be…
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Is everything I expected the guy moves very well had a really good breakup and seems to play very fast. Couldn’t really talk about his return skills… no one could return in that muck
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by Seminolephinatic on Aug 16, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions
Take the game for what it was
It was the Fins first game as a team, there are going to be mistake.
They got live action in the rain and mud, which is better than practicing in the rain or mud.
The defense, could have played better at time, and again was bending and not breaking. The flood gates did not open, and they had 3 consecutive turn overs on 3 drives.
The defense was playing a very base defense. Whether or not they are holding back till the regular season, or if all the blitzes are not installed yet, playing a base defense and letting up 7 is pretty good. Plus a base defense allows the coaching staff to really evaluate what they have.
The Patriots Suck
Brandon's second drop
was really only disappointing because it marred an otherwise exciting moment: when was the last time we saw a dolphins receiver run a route that pretty, that far down the field? He’s obviously not going to suddenly lose his sure-handedness; I think that that play—the route and the throw, at least—is a little taste of what’s to come from our offense, and a dimension that we haven’t had in SO long that it got me hyped up for the season, even if it did end in a drop.
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I agree
He separated from that corner nicely and just couldn’t catch a wet ball. We forget he didn’t participate much this off season due to his knee surgery. When they get on the same page its going to be great. I was so happy to see the play develop, now just make the damn catch so I don’t have to scream at the TV.
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by More Miami than Crockett and Tubbs on Aug 16, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree
He’ll be just fine. I loved the route and his body positioning. He’s going to make Sundays much more fun. Overall the D was solid and the O line, particularly Jerry looked good. Ya it was ugly at times but hey it’s the first pre-season game. This team is young fast and tenacious on the field.
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I was ready
For the catch the cut back left then the run down the sideline. Everyone around me all saw him that open and ready for that play.. but your right he’ll catch that every other time.
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by Seminolephinatic on Aug 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Its harder to throw in the rain
the ball is wet and heavy and I cant really blame Marshall. That ball was on a line. Good pass by Henne but alot of guys are gonna have trouble catching that
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Under normal conditions, that's a big play. That throw was perfect.
The big issue with Henne IMO was touch and accuracy. He showed both the other night and the receivers let him down.
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not sure about the "touch"
that is still my concern, but that is much easier to fix than accuracy, and starting WRs should be able to catch fastballs anyhow.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
True...
From the highlights I’ve seen, he didn’t throw bullets on the short routes. I would consider that a positive.
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they actually looked pretty hard
for being wet
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm watching the video that DPL3Rollin put on his post...
It shows a roll out pass to Fasano, a pass to Hartline, and a pass in the flat to Polite. Those passes looked appropriately thrown to me. The pass to Marshall was prefectly thrown IMO. I don’t think he could have thrown it any softer and had it completed. And I don’t think it was thrown as hard as Henne could have thrown it.
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yup
i was only talking about the passes to marshall.
he has definitely improved on his swing passes/screens
i’ll take your word on that one
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wet, heavy fastballs on a frozen rope in stride?
I think we are oversestimating the difficulty
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But if this were an actual game that counted...
Marshall makes that catch.
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I love hyperbole
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
is that some new super hero?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with you, they are difficult and i thought Henne might have been able to take a little off the top
and instead lead the WR a bit more
but you can’t really argue that, while difficult, they were catchable and starter s/b able to catch those.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It could always be worse...
we played an awful game really and still got a W. What the hell are you thinking if you are a Bucs fan? lol
Micah johnson was every where hitting anything that had the ball, nearing the line of scrimage. Just like "in collage" wow was he good. He was acctully one of my areginal fav. draft pick's for our team!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 16, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions
Good point...
Another example of 40 times messing up draft stock. He ran a slow 40 time, but made always made plays in college. Might be a good pickup for us.
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Now he was active but that still doesnt mean he can cover a tight end
and thats where his 40 will come into play
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I think he's one of those "play faster in pads" guys
I don’t think he’ll ever be a good cover LB, but he can be a good banger inside. But he could be an example of why 40 times can be overrated. Plus he was coming off of a knee surgery also which caused his time to be slower and his stock to drop.
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Interesting thing about Micah's 40 time:
Using the same method as I did in my ‘acceleration’ post, Micah’s average speed from 10-20 yards is actually pretty decent. It was better than Langford, Odrick, Dobbins, Misi, Hartline, Marshall, and are you ready for this? Kory Sheets. Where his 40 time really took a hit was in the last twenty yards where he was the only one out of everyone that I checked that actually SLOWED DOWN.
he was injured.
Remember that most of that will get fixed as he recovers and LBs never run more than 10-20 yds in a straight line, or at least shouldn’t.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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I would disagree with you that LB's never run more than 20 yards.
Remember the field is 50 yards wide, so on a sweep there’s a good chance of a LB running at least 20 yards. And anytime the LB is covering a TE or a RB, or if the LB was on special teams. If it was a known weakness, though, it could be masked by a good DC. But at the same time, it could be exploited by a good OC. You are right in that he should get faster, or probably already is faster now that he has recovered.
yea that could be the case fror him
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by Deuce Black on Aug 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
he wont be asked to do that
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
"cover a TE"
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
This
ILB in the 3-4 won’t be covering to many people man to man. I like this guy a lot, he unfortunately is in a scenario where the Phins have lots of LB’s. I don’t think he’ll make the team, maybe practice squad.
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Dobbins is injured, so if he really steps up he should get the spot, not Dobbins.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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yea he will what are you talking about
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I was most impressed with Soliai
This could be great for us. I know it’s too early to tell, but if he continues to play like this, I could see him being the nose and moving Starks back to where he was a beast last year.
Very interesting…
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Aug 16, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
seeing how Starks did not hold the point effectively
It was really irresponsible by our coaches to just “think” Starks can play the nose for an entire season and still rush the passer on 3rd downs. The Phins will be in serious trouble if Soliai doesnt perform.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
he'll be fine.
no one is in trouble yet. We have so much talent on that D line that Nolan will be able to move guys around and make it work.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree on Vontae and Smith,
Vontae has proved he can make that catch, he has done it in NFL games.
Smith made a bad mental error that cost us points, and this has been one of his problems, too many mental errors.
Vontae’s was a physical error, you can forgive them, especially when you know he can make that play, Smith’s error was mental, which can’t be forgiven, and he is still making them.
The sky certainly isn’t falling but Smith needs to get his head wired to his @ss and stop the mental errors.
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LOL... agreed with the Smith stuff...
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Davis' mistake was every bit a physical mistake as Smith's was
Not turning to locate the ball is a physical mistake that can be corrected. Smith took an extra couple of steps to carry the post route before turning it over to Clemons that allowed the flat route to be open. That is a physical mistake that will be corrected.
I know there is a small sample size but this is what I have noticed with our two CB’s. Davis seems to play better against a WR when he is NOT in a bump and run position. He doesn’t locate the ball well and seems to be always catching up. But when he plays a zone, off the WR on the LOS, he reacts better.
Smith seems just the opposite. Smith plays the bump and run better, locates the ball well and seems to trail the receiver in a better position. But Smith struggles when he lines up off the WR. He doesn’t turn his hips as well and react to the route as well.
I saw a lot of this in the games that I attended live last year and with the limited vision that I could see on TV against the Bucs. I wonder if there is a stat out there that can compare completion % against based on Bump & Run or Zone (off LOS) Coverage.
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Even if there was...
We ran zone coverage very little last year to get a good comparison.
The point finster is making is Davis’ mistake was physical because he didn’t turn his head and locate the ball. While Smith shouldn’t have given such a cushion to the WR that close to the goal line, which is mental.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
davis mistake was physical?
smith “physically” lined up in the wrong place.
Davis “mentally” forgot to turn his head when the WR looked for the ball.
Just goofy semantics here…
Davis’ mistake was not any more “forgivable” than Smith’s.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I'll forgive a long reception before I forgive one that goes for a TD.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
again, semantics.
how many times does a long reception set up a running TD?
a mental breakdown is a mental break down, and you don’t want to see either from your starting CBs
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No that's not semantics.
“How many times does a long reception set up a running TD?”
I’m not sure, but I can say for sure the percentage is a lot less than a short reception that goes for a TD.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
nope.
it is pretty often that a TD is set up by one big play like that pass. if you don’t let them get close, then you don’t have that short rec for a TD.
no apologists allowed for Davis. you are starting to sound like Omar
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it's not 100% now is it.
That’s the point I’m making here. Just because you allow a long pass, doesn’t make it a foregone conclusion that they will score.
Whereas a short completion for a TD is a score.
So therefore I’m more inclined to forgive the guy who gives up the long reception due to a mistake, then the guy who gives up a TD due to a mistake.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
That is funny,
when you are spinning your wheels like crazy apologizing for Smith, lol
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by uncle finster on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, why do you do that?
you are worse than my wife when it comes to twisting the facts around.
i am absolutely not apologizing for Smith. I am saying i didn’t think smith played that well, and I don’t think davis did either, but davis was much better tackling and in run support so overall he was better than smith.
I just don’t think anyone should be making excuses for Vontae on that play.
if i thought you were just misunderstanding me, i wouldn’t say anything, but that’s not it. you are just being antagonistic.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Antagonistic????
If thats what you think there is really no reason to speak to each other.
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by uncle finster on Aug 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
well, yeah, that's what it looks like
because after all this time discussing things on here, i feel pretty sure that when you take something i say so far out of context, that it must be intentional.
however, if i am wrong, then i apologize and will not make the assumption in the future that you are reading me the way i am writing.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then,
by your logic there is no such thing as a mental error, lol.
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by uncle finster on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
here you go again
that is the opposite of what i am saying. they are ALL mental errors. if you line up in the wrong spot, it is a mental error.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We had a poor matchup with Smith on that play as well
Stroughter is a fast slot guy. No way Smith can stay with him that long especially since Freeman bought time. I dont know how Davis or even Carroll weren’t matched up with him
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
smith is pretty fast
but i think he isn’t as quick changing direction laterally because of his size. my thing with smith is that I would like to see him be more physical
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Smith still plays too stiff
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
His speed is his biggest weakness,
not his quickness.
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by uncle finster on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
he ran a 4.43 at his pro day
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
But he ran like a 4.49 at the combine
regadless though, he has adequate speed but he does not change direction well when covering shorter quicker receivers
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why we're calling it a mental mistake.
If you’re lined up against a faster receiver in the red zone, you have to know you have to jam him on the line and keep yourself between the QB and WR, especially when you have safety help.
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It was a blown coverage...
But its good to get that stuff out of the way in the preseason.
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i only disagree about making excuses for Davis’ blown coverage, or trying to say one was worse than the other.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, after one play the score was 0-0. After another it was 6-0.
I tend to think most people would agree that the mistake that doesn’t result immediately with points on the board is not as bad as the one that does.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
but the second that resulted in points began in a goalline situation DUE to
the first big reception. alll how you look at it
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I see where you're going, but it doesn't change what I'm stating.
Say after that long reception, the very next pass gets picked off. No points scored.
You don’t get another play to stop points when the player scores.
While I agree most long receptions due eventually result in points being scored. The key word there is MOST, not ALL. Unlike receptions that go for scores, ALL of those result in points being scored. Which is why I said I’m more inclined to forgive the guy who didn’t allow points, compared to the guy who did.
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Davis didn't have blown coverage,
Davis was in perfect coverage, the WR made a GREAT grab.
In Smith’s case the WR made an easy reception because Smith was OUT OF POSITION, iow, he lined up WRONG, that is a mental error because he CHOSE where to line up.
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by uncle finster on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Smith lined up wrong. You may be right but I haven't heard or read that.
Smith’s mistake as far as I could see is that he played the correct coverage but carried the route too long. He didn’t pass the receiver to the safety quick enough. That is a Physical mistake, not mental.
Davis on the other hand was obviously in the right coverage and executed it for the most part except locating the ball. That is a Physical mistake.
Both Smith’s and Davis’ mistakes IMO were physical and will be corrected, hopefully.
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Smith chose where he played,
that is mental, if you are out of position that is mental(unless you fall down), this is not a new concept, it is as old as sports.
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by uncle finster on Aug 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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Smith chose where he played
It could be the technique that is taught in that coverage. There are coverages where the CB is taught to put his heals on the goal line and react to the receiver. We simply don’t know if that is the case in this instance.
It looked to me to be a Cover 2 scheme where the CB has to pass off the deep threat to the deep safety. You can bump and run out of that coverage. You can play off the receiver and how far off you are is determined by the player. Or you can stand strong on the goal line. We simply don’t know. But whatever it was, Smith did a poor job executing the coverage.
But you can’t say he lined up wrong because you simply don’t know.
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by ct1361 on Aug 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's hard to run the cover 2 from the 13 yard line.
Bottom line, you don’t give a receiver a 5 yard cushion from the 13 yard line. From the replays I saw it looked as if Smith was trying to prevent the fade route and got burned by an in route.
That is a mental mistake on Smith’s part by not realizing the situation he was in and adjusting his coverage.
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So I stopped thinking.
davis might have been step for step
be he never looked for the ball when the WR turned, allowing the WR to catch the ball uncontested. that is blown coverage; mental lapse; rookie mistake; whatever you want to call it. it amounts to the same thing. he could have prevented the catch and didn’t because he made a mistake.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and Davis choose to not keep his head on a swivel.
we can go all day with semantics. In the end both F’ed up and both play were responsible for putting the same 6 points up.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well one could argue that if Smith hadn't made his mistake
The Bucs might not have scored.
Sure you’d use the same argument for Davis’ mistake, but the guy he was covering didn’t score. Smith’s guy did. So while both mistakes were during the same drive, only one of those mistakes definitively resulted in points being scored.
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exactly right luvs
the other way to defend that is to recognize the player mismatch and switch off with a faster more agile corner. With our existing gameplan that each corner takes a side it doesnt allow us to do that when the situation arises. For example remember when. our corners were shutting down Andre Johnson last year. So the Texans countered by moving him to the slot and he subsequently scored a touchdown. Nothing should have changed but our rigidness called for Nate Jones to defend him cause “he’s the slot corner”
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate that about our gameplan
but i believe it is mainly because of inexperience at CB
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you about smith
but i put Davis in the same boat.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
God!
How many of you coach or played CB ever. How many of you knew what the defensive call was on the field. If it was Cover 2, then Smith should have been closer, and more in the flat, bumping the WR and staying on his hip. The safety should have taken the deep route. Either way Davis should have located the ball and made a play and Smith should have played tighter. Regardless if you feel they were “physical” or “mental” they can both be fixed and adjusted and the young CB’s will gain experience from it….
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by k2oconnor on Aug 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you
If you assume both were in the coverage that they were suppose to be in, they then didn’t execute the coverage correctly. That is a physical mistake that will be taken care of. Davis did just about everything correct except locate the ball. Smith carried the post too long leaving the flat open. Both are correctable, physical mistakes.
By the way, I might not have known the coverage that was called on either play, but I can guess. I have coached in college before so I kind of know what I am talking about.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what Smith was thinking on that play
The guy was like more than 5 yds in front of him and he kept backing up. I think he was trying to undershadow the guy in the endzone and try to get another INT. Or he totally missed him, but that mistake was huge.
Smith probably scouted Stroughter's speed and thought he'd better give him a cushion
I’d like it if he had better field awareness though
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once is a fluke, twice is a conection problem with right hemaspher thinking!
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It’s only a preseason game and the most important thing is nobody got injured . You got to see a little of what Marshall can do even without the 2 catches. Our young DB’s need to mature faster, they both got beat badly by no names. O-line looked good for the most part, D-line looked good as well although I’m not sold on Starks at NT. It’s also a game that was played in a mess of a field, we need not worry.
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Lousaka Polite got hurt. Any news on that front people?
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't hear this
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The latest news is no news.
Sparano downplayed any notion that Polite was injured to media outlets after the game.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry didn't here he was hurt
is there any update on him.
Blame it all on the weather
and wait for next week.
I was annoyed because at times it looked like the players didn’t really care too much but in hindsight, I realized that ‘boring’ may also be a sign that the guys on the team are doing some of the less noticeable things well.
Great breakdown of the game though!
I’m not sure who is out there on a ledge after one preseason game, but if they are, and I dont mean this to be insulting but….you need a new sport to follow, If one preseason game has you in a tizzy, then I cant imagine how the ups and downs of the regular season, much less an exciting individual game will affect you.
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by mikem1224 on Aug 16, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If we learned anything from this game is we need more bad weather practices
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
All the starting DB's need to improve
Smith carried the post too long and didn’t react to the player in the flat for the TD. Davis didn’t react to the ball on the long reception and gave too much cushion on another. Clemons was slow to react on a couple of run plays and missed tackles. Bell seemed to play OK, but still was a nonfactor.
With the weather conditions the way they were and with arguably the weakest receiving corp that the Fins will probably face all year, the Fins can’t allow a 2nd year QB to go 4-4 with a TD. I don’t care if it is preseason or not. That is unacceptable.
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Yeah, I hate the Jets...
… Ryan is so fat, it reminds me of the Family Guy episode, where they find Stewie in a fat fold of Peter….
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
lulz
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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i thought he said
“God, it’s a mess down there. Lois, I’m not going to be able to do this in the time i quoted you.
I don't mind being ogled, ridiculed, made to feel minuscule. If you consider the source, it's kinda pitiful.
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I think that the most important thing is
The team got through the game without any signifigant injuries in rain and horrible playing conditions.
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What? the sky is falling?
why am i always the last to find out these things.
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Uh. You have to check in once in a who-wile
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by texascowpunk on Aug 16, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i do now! thx! =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said Matty
I would leave Smith out of the highlights, or maybe even move him to the lowlights – I was pretty unimpressed with him as a starter. And don’t forget that awesome INT last PS against N.O. Smith is the king of PS INTs, so he doesn’t get much in the way of kudos for that.
i agree with every other point you made
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
Soo, does pre-season count or no..?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the only real worry I have is free safety
Clemons looked horrible out there.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
he was saving all his mental errors for actual games
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i think some of them were physical errors
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most errors that we see are physical errors especially in coverage
Look, we don’t know the play calls. We don’t know the techniques taught with those play calls. Smith was out of position on the TD pass. Finster wants to say that is a mental mistake because of how far off the receiver he was. But that might be the taught technique. I have seen goal line coverage schemes teach that technique. We simply don’t know.
If we assume that everyone lined up correctly then the mistakes are physical and can be corrected.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, i think this is relatively unimportant in the big scheme of things
and a red herring for people that want to excuse errors…. but…
If I had to draw a line, I would have to say that
- a physical error is one of technique, or skill level. Like when a CB lines up in the right spot, and knows he has to jam a WR, and tries to do exactly what he is supposed to do… but fails – maybe because the WR jukes him, or because the WR physically beats him (like Marshall pushing Smith down in practice). So he does what he is supposed to do, but gets beat anyway. Wilson had a bunch of physical errors last season, and a lot revolved around poor tackling.
- a mental error would be when you do not attempt to do what you are taught. You are taught how to run a play, but you are out of position. Or you are taught to turn your head to look for the ball when the WR does, but you don’t remember to do it. Or a lineman who is told the snap count, and still jumps. Or RB who forgets to pick up a blitz… or a WR who runs the wrong route….
I think the vast majority of errors on this team are mental errors, because I think the team specifically picks guys who they know have the physical ability to execute.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree that we are probably saying the same thing but looking at it differently
Mental mistakes for me are mostly presnap. Lining up correctly. Understanding the coverage. Adjusting the defense to personel and formation. Once the ball is snapped, reacting to your read correctly.
Physical mistakes are taking too many steps in a coverage. Not turning your head to locate the ball. Not keeping your correct shoulder free. Not positioning your body correctly to make a tackle.
Mental gets you into the correct position to make a play. Physical is making the actual play.
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okay, i guess i can see that
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Defense looked good...Passing game looked bad.
Our defense created many turnovers. Hard to lose games like that.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense looked good...Passing game looked bad.
Our defense created many turnovers. Hard to lose games like that.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hey man... where u been? =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 16, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to see ya Lefty, rest of you finatics
I just left the bunker for a minute or two to try and assess the damage :)
I was prepared for the worst but am happy to report that the sky has not fallen,the sky is not falling and that it will not be falling in the foreseeable future…as if that was ever in question lol.
How did I live before the DVR was invented? :) The game was a mess early but you can still see
a)Davis juke a guy outta his drawers and if the gunner hadn’t come flying through untouched would’ve probably broke it
b)Incognito plays big and nasty,Jerry can pull :O,Berger is as good as Grove and that’s good IMO,Jake is Jake and Carey is so unimpressive at times I want an uprade at RT
c)Polite is a monster,if only RB could stay healthy,Ricky still has it
All you can ask of a FO is to have a sound philosophy,hire good teachers,implement good systems,upgrade the talent level,get better asap w/o sacrificing your future and you can call me a homer ifn’ ya wanna but I honestly believe ours has and always will deliver that and I’m convinced the finished product will make us all very proud.
I’ll watch the rest of the O in a day or two but I really wanted to see how the new guys on the O-Line played and if RB still had quick feet in the first series and am impressed overall with this work in progress.
by haildanhenningnow on Aug 17, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you make a minor change to your handle?
lol
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good summary. i have said this about carey for years now…
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 17, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
:) thx
In the first series alone if Carey holds his block RB breaks a big one and we would be talking about our OL just dominating the D front yet lack of effort by one player on one play has people talking about TT being better than Henne,Henning suking,Marshall dropping two wet bullets and our O basically stinking up the field.
I’ve watched Careys lack of effort cost us too much for too long but he is serviceable so he’ll have to do for now….Top 5 on O and D is what we all want around here but doing it in 3 years and building for the future isn’t the easiest thing to do.
by haildanhenningnow on Aug 17, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
... you get yelled at because you're Far...ore...fox... lmao
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When is the next practice
We whould practice with balls dipped in oil yesh
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I only saw the 4th quarter
and could tell that it must not have been the most pretty of games. Oh well, it was just the first game and all part of the growing process. Got some strong points from it and now know some stuff to work on….just how it works this early. Settle down all you Chicken Little’s out there.
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More drops for Marshall...
3 more drops for brandon marshall in today’s practice
Took out his frustration on the ball
Not too worried yet. If it happens in games, then I’ll be worried.
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somebody needs to tell Marshall that B Fields has already locked up
the punter spot
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
my fave part of the game
was pat shit white coming in and handing the ball off then kneeling it 2 times. hes not even good enough to get in a meaningless pre season game.
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hmmmm...very interesting
My favorite part of the game so far was watching Jerry Jones,our 6-5 328lb 3rd pick,not only play quick and agile for his size but looks to shore up a very vital and problematic position on our team.
by haildanhenningnow on Aug 17, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
great recap
no reason to worry
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ness and johnson
ness could probably fill in at backup safety, maybe even start. and dont forget about micah johnson, he made an awesome tackle when that rb came straight at him, sounds simple but i’ve seen alot of guys get burnt on those routine tackles!
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