Dolphins Training Camp, Day 10: First "official" depth chart released
by Matty I on Aug 10, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintFollowing a well-deserved day off on Sunday, the Dolphins kicked off week two of training camp by holding two practices on Monday. But the big news of the day may have been what took place in between Monday's two practices.
Dolphins release first depth chart...but does it matter?
The biggest news of the day was probably the first edition of the team-released depth chart. But Tony Sparano warns that we shouldn't put too much stock into this. He admits that he put it together based on where the team was after OTAs - not after this past week of camp. And let's face it - if the NFL didn't mandate that every team release a depth chart this week in preparation of the first real weekend of preseason games, the Dolphins wouldn't have released one.
Still, it's worth looking over. You can see the entire thing right here courtesy of the Palm Beach Post.
There are some interesting aspects of this depth chart. For example, Joe Berger is listed as the starting center - not Jake Grove. Significant? Probably not considering Grove hasn't practiced in a few days while he recovers from a minor bone bruise. But Sparano said this chart was based on where the team was following OTAs - meaning Berger actually entered camp ahead of Grove. Surprised a little? I am.
It's also interesting that Richie Incognito is listed as the starting left guard despite starting camp as the backup right guard. Donald Thomas is listed as Richie's backup at left guard while John Jerry is listed as the starter at right guard - where he's spent every camp practice since it began.
What should come as no surprise is Brian Hartline's spot as the other starting receiver. He's worked every practice as the starter on the other side of Brandon Marshall and that job is clearly his to lose - which I don't foresee happening.
The biggest joke of the entire chart? Chad Pennington is listed as the fourth quarterback, even behind Pat White. So that probably tells you all we should know about this first "official" depth chart.
At what point is it time to worry about the offensive line?
I know that Tony Sparano is an offensive line coach at heart and he loves mixing and matching his linemen for two reasons - it helps find the best five man unit and it helps these guys get acclimated to different spots in case things get crazy (like last year) and players have to play out of position due to injury. And I'm sure Sparano and his staff knows what they are doing. But still - I can't help but wonder if it's time to finally settle on a starting five - at least for a week or two - so that they can start to gel.
Why do I say this? All reports from Saturday's scrimmage indicated that Mike Nolan's defense (and exotic blitzes) wreaked havoc on Miami's offensive line. Then on Monday night, Nolan's defense reportedly tallied ten sacks against this offensive line - three for Karlos Dansby, and one each for Charlie Anderson, Randy Starks, Tony McDaniel, Cameron Wake, Jonathan Amaya, Charles Grant, and Chris McCoy.
Wow.
I love hearing about how well the defense seems to be coming together as much as the next guy - especially in regards to the pass rush. After all, many people (myself included) were worried about how the Dolphins might replace the sacks they lost with Joey Porter and Jason Taylor no longer in Miami. But how soon is too soon to think that it's time to stop mixing and matching the offensive line?
Camp Quick Hits
- Speaking of mixing and matching along the offensive line, Nate Garner saw first team reps on Monday at left guard. While I understand the need to get Garner work as a backup right tackle (just in case), I think he could quite possibly be one of the two best guards on the team. It's time for him to get more work at the position to see if he should actually be starting at one of the guard spots.
- Omar Kelly said that the evening practice was the first practice that he saw "the offense run the ball pretty good. Strong runs by Ronnie Brown."
- Kelly, though, isn't a fan of Koa Misi. He's been hard on him - but in a fair way. Omar said on Monday that he is yet to see anything from Misi to get all excited about. Most other writers seem to agree - nobody has really written much about Misi. Of course, that's not to say he's performed poorly. We just won't know much about Misi until he gets some game experience under his belt.
- Rookie cornerback Nolan Carroll has been a revelation so far in camp. On Monday, Sparano echoed those sentiments - talking about how he picks things up quickly. He's also been working inside as the nickel corner a little bit in camp. Is that his long-term role with this team?
- Greg Camarillo returned to practice and participated in both sessions on Monday after missing the past couple days with a minor groin injury. Patrick Cobbs didn't practice, however. Reports are that he's close to being back, though.
- Interesting battle brewing for final receiver spot. Patrick Turner might have the inside track. But Marlon Moore, Julius Pruitt, Taurus Johnson and Roberto Wallance are starting to make up some ground. This battle will be interesting as the preseason gets going.
Up Next
The Dolphins have just one practice tomorrow, scheduled for 3 pm. This one, though, is closed to the public.
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The QB depth chart isn't really a joke...
It’s just not a traditional depth chart.
All that Chad Pennington being fourth on the depth chart means is that he is behind Thigpen in the battle for Henne’s true backup.
Pat White is number two for the same reason he was during last season – so the team can use him in the wildcat.
Our QB depth chart, in essence, reads:
Starter-Wildcat QB-Starter’s backup-Third QB
I think Pat White is #3 because...
Honestly they know what Pennington can do. They want to give Pat White a chance and having him as the #4 QB is not going to give him the work he needs. Honestly do we think Pennington needs more than a series or so to get warmed up and feel comfortable out there? White on the other hand is being given his last chance I think to show that he is not a bust. I really think the kid could be good if we developed him, but as Parcells says, “if they don’t bite as puppies, they don’t bite”
when does the season start.....
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 10, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Pat White was always listed as the #2 QB last year.
The #3 is the emergency QB, and once brought in the other QB’s can’t come back in. They had PW as the #2 so they could use him in the wildcat and then sub back in the starter. That’s why notamarin was saying that the #3 is the true backup, because Henne was listed as the #3 until CP10 went down.
Anyone else think that QB rule needs to be changed
wth does it matter what QB you put in as long as he’s active?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter
Only problem is, the #3 QB designation is for a NON-active player. It lets the team keep a 3rd QB available on gameday without using up one of the active roster spots. Therefore, we COULD keep Henne, White, and Penne active on Sundays- but that’s one less WR, DL, or LB etc.
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Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
WTH HAPPENED TO MY WEEK?!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
:) You Judo-kicked it into submission.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat White
I don’t get the White situation. If he is going to be a project QB, it should have been assumed that he would not add value for a few years and that he would be taking up a QB roster spot. If the team wants to play him in a “slash role” until he is up to speed, then they should have had a very clear discussion with Pat White about playing WR before they drafted him in the 2nd round.
Isn't #3 QB a good place to "stash" a project QB?
I mean really … generally the #3 QB would not see that much playing time anyway …
when does the season start.....
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 10, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Until last year ; )
Thats why Thgpen play and now is the # 2 QB
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(23 years and counting)
Yep, but people think we will see
two huge injuries to our QBs due to our poor OTs.
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White was just a massive mistake by our FO
there is no telling what they were thinking… it didnt work out Pat sucks
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Measuring a Depth Chart
The only true way of measuring a depth chart is to compare to this time last year! if we are happy that position by position we are a) stronger or b) have good players with more experience then thats a good sign….if not…………… Ooops!? Personally seeing the likes of Douglas, Camarillo, Ricky and Grant as back ups makes me feel optimistic!
by Christopher Weetman on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions
Chart is for motivation...
I think this is a motivational tool for the coaching staff…. in a few cases. But there are some “messages” sent by this chart. Like how the coaches want interchangeable offensive lineman, and how they are trying to motivate Donald Thomas and Richie. REally I feel its time to settle on the starters. This is not really helping the unit to develop “Continuity”. We had a pretty solid line – and so far the defense is eating them up in practice. (except for Jake) I see the best players as GROVE, Richie, Long, Carey and Thomas. It dosent look like John Jerry is ready yet to be ahead of thomas or Richie. – and I have no idea about this CENTER battle. GROVE is much better than Berger… Its a message to Grove to step it up – not to mention his injury history. But this is stupid – Grove is the reason we can run up the middle – he is the best center we have had since Dwight Stephenson … he is much better than Berger…. and Richie is the best guard on the team now that we foolishly traded SMILEY. … I understand about the contract savings – but trading hi for a 7th looks stupid if we are so unsure about the starting guards…. Jake Grove at center, with Richie and Donald make me feel the most comfortable for opening day.
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We aren't seriously competing for a SB this year, so
this continuity can and will happen next year.
Smiley was oft injured and this teamputs a lot of stock into playing time, this is why they haven’t given Brown a big contract.
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Why not?
Why are we not challenging whichever teams are considered the “favorites” for a spot in that Championship game?
What don’t we have?
We need Henne to develop, the offensive line to gel, the defense to play at the high level they have been thus far in camp, etc., etc.
Sure, those have yet to be “seen,” but what thus far in camp has led you to believe there isn’t a strong chance those become settled and we put up double-digit wins and make a deep run in the playoffs?
I think we’re better than Arizona was the year they made their spectacular run, so long as Henne does’t regress and we avoid all major injuries (knock on wood).
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Since we haven't played a game yet
how can you tell we’re better than that Arizona team, I agree we have the potential to be better, but we also have the potential to be worse.
I believe his point, which I agree with, is, we should prove it on the field before we can start calling ourselves SB contenders.
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by uncle finster on Aug 10, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that is really what I was going on
was that limitless potential. Of course, absolutely, we have the potential to be worse. Much worse. But then again, everything’s in place. We have their defensive signal caller in his prime, we have as well-coached team as they, we have similarly talented players with what I find to be a better defensive co-ordinator.
You’re absolutely right. Until we step on the field, we can’t assume all of that is going to fall into place. But my point to begin with was more along the lines with the fact that just because we haven’t stepped on the field yet doesn’t mean we can’t start thinking Super Bowl, that it’s out of the question. That we’re not seriously competing for it.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Henne is not there yet for us to be SB contenders
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't know that Henne's there yet
he very well could be. Only time and games will tell.
But hell, look at Sanchez. If he can “lead” a team into the playoffs as a rookie, that deep, why can’t Henne lead us to at least threaten to make a run for the SB? Yes, we all have our reservations about how they made it.. but we have a similar team. Exotic, aggressive blitzing.. power running game.. well-coached..
Why can’t an older, more mature, additional-year-under-his-belt Henne do the same?
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If we make the playoffs
We have a chance so for now its a race for division title/playoffs if we get it I like us to win.
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by Seminolephinatic on Aug 10, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
With the R&R train the Beast, the Besst and Hartline
he doesn’t need to be elite, just good.
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I think this team can possibly be SB contenders but then again
we are basing this all off potential.
we have some questions to be answered at major positions such as QB, OLB, FS, etc.
now if you look at team like the Packers it’s safe to call them SB contenders because they have tons of proven talent starting with the QB position.
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Not to mention
Arizona had Kurt Warner at QB, we don’t know if Henne is on that level yet
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Smiley's trade was a cost-benefit analysis
The FO took the same approach they’ve always taken: evaluate the player’s contract, what he brings the team, and his injury history, then make a business decision. Smiley’s injury history combined with his contract is what hurt his status with the team. Plus he was not a multiple-position type of guy that Parcells likes.
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Aug 10, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Misi and Hartline will lose their starting spots,
the preseason games will determine who goes where.
I have heard very little about how Misi is playing, you know, this kind of stuff, “he blew up this guy”, “he ran right around him” and never the all important, “he really sets the edge”.
What I’ve heard is, “you never have to tell him twice”, “he’s got a high motor”, “really great work ethic”, “real astute smart kid”.
These are great things for a player to have, but he is not up to speed yet, probably not quite strong enough yet, no worries, this is common for conversion players, even 1st round conversion players.
I think Camarillo and Bess will prove they are better in the preseason games, I think Sparano is testing Hartline to see how he reacts to this, I believe Turner was a starter this time last year.
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I understand your point of view
but I respectfully disagree.
Sparano mentioned myriad times last season and this that he needs guys to get YAC. Hartline was a top 25 guy in YAC last season as a rookie, and clearly possesses more raw talent than either Cam or Bess. The only thing that Cam truly has over Hartline is slightly better hands. Otherwise, Hartline is the best mix of skill and athleticism we have outside of Marshall. He also has more swagger than either guy, and the kind of confidence that will not get shaken in the preseason.
I don’t disagree with you on Misi, though. I think they’ll give IAF and Anderson the chance to surpass Misi in the preseason unless he does serious work.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree about Hartline,
I need to see him prove it first, 31 catches is a very small sample.
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by uncle finster on Aug 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This^^^^^
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"Dez Bryant is a great player, get over it" -Me
Of course it is.
But you’re not going to always play the vet/proven guy if said guy is clearly less talented than a younger option that the coaching staff has obvious faith in.
You don’t play Joey Porter or let Jason Taylor go just because Cameron Wake hasn’t proven he can do it on an every-down basis.. which is why you cut Joey Porter and (obviously) let JT go. You have faith in Wake and he has talent oozing out of him. He’s done it very well on a small sample size.
Sometimes, that’s just what we as fans have to go on. Perhaps coaches see something we or the media don’t, or have been able to see play that specifically tells them, this kid’s ready.
Sometimes, you gotta be glass-half-damn-full.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't play Joey Porter or keep* Jason Taylor just because..
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
nice argument Dave
I think you win
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why thank you sir
you can have your week back.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the example fits,
Camarillo isn’t old yet, and Bess is only one year older than Hartline, both those WRs were definitely better last year, they catch 70% of the balls thrown their way, Hartline only 57%.
He has to be a more reliable target than that IMO to win the starting job.
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by uncle finster on Aug 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Wake have to be more reliable in coverage and stopping the run?
Certainly. Did he show the ability to last season? Not really. Has he shown the ability to this preseason? Sure, much more so than last season. Is he slated to start? Yup. Or, at the very least, he’s slated to play a lot of snaps and be THE primary guy to rush the passer from the LB position. Have we played a single game yet? Nope. Are we confident in him this season, ready to believe he’s going to explode? Absolutely.
Why is this any different from Hartline? He showed some ability, but obviously 57% isn’t where we want it to be. Does that mean he doesn’t deserve the opportunity to start as of right now? Hell no. You play the more talented player, I don’t care whether we’re talking about age or not. Hartline has more raw talent, and has had an offseason worthy of the FO saying, we like you starting because we see those talents starting to solidy and blossom better.
The better statistic to point to is, how many drops did Camarillo have? Bess? If Hartline had more than either of them, it wasn’t by much.
I’ll ask you this: with the most important statistic in football (scoring the football), who out of our WR corps scored the most? Who had the nose for the endzone, who made the big plays when they counted? Who made plays, tip-toeing the line, making you say, wow, or, nice catch?
Brian Hartline.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Again the comparison doesn't really add up.
Wake is replacing older guys who are gone, Camarillo and Bess are still here, and last year they were both significantly better, and you can’t pass somebody in OTAs.
I do not think Hartline is the more talented player, I don’t see how that is not going to be connected to how he performs, he is going to have to get open consistently, something he did not do last year.
I need to see him prove it, it’s that simple really, he is no different than anybody else.
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by uncle finster on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Those two guys are gone because the FO had faith in Wake
to take his solid NFL start and expand it to a whole new level. Still had little to go off of but saw enough in terms of potential and small sample size.
Hartline situation is only different because Camarillo isn’t much older.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 11, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Not neccesrily you see Joey Porter got the boot becauses he's Joey Porter and cant keep his mouth
shut, he became a cancer by defying authority so it was time to let him go
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This...right here...is my...swag
True
but do you truly believe we keep him if we had no option behind him?
The FO wouldn’t wanna keep JT for that purpose; that’s progress-stopper written all over him.
And if Wake wasn’t here, we’d have to either start JT or go out and acquire another guy. That means either signing a “meh” guy or giving up draft picks in a trade. Neither option is very feasible. Especially with how our FO views draft picks and overly veteran players.
So I think Wake still factors in here.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 11, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, he's not much older and he's still here,
but besides that, their the same.
Or not the same at all, lol.
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by uncle finster on Aug 11, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
lol sure, well, agree to disagree sir.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 11, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
lol... when in Rome...
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Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 11, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
well actually dave
Camarillo had (0) ZERO Drops last season…he clearly has the best hands on the team (and pass catching ass too! LOL) Bess is monster clutch as well as Camarillo so is hartline better? WEll….he does seem to pull in more “chunk” yardage than both…is he more talented? Not really…more that he has a different set of skills than the others…and when it comes to being QB friendly there is no comparison to either bess or cammy as they both managed to get open for the big plays needed to keep drives going and what not….however Hartline showed that explosive ablitlity that neither Bess or Cammy really shows, that YAC. All three are really close in ability and speed and route running…but each of them has an edge on the others in small ways…Cam has the hands, Bess has the routes and Hartline has the YAC so while I actually agree with your point of view in that its his spot to loose, I do just think that that is just for now and we all know that starting dont mean shit to this FO as they will all play quite a bit and all do an amazing job just as they have done.
And I agree with that point
thing is, Marshall IS hands and route, so it makes no sense to start just hands or just route on the other side when we could have explosive YAC play.
Kid is just tough. Has a nose for the end zone, scored more than any other receiver, and had a solid rookie season (specifically for a 4th rounder). While I understand that he hasn’t PROVEN anything, he certainly has proven that he has more upside and the FO want to see it blossom.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 11, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
well I was talking about outside of Marshall as he is a true number one and combines everything the others have at an even higher level…wasnt my point…I do agree that Hartline will start and should start as he is the “chunk” yardage guy…unless you see him simply explode though i imagine that cammy will get his playing time too and I have to believe that bess will actually get more chances than hartline overall but maybe not as a “Starter” but hell what does that mean to coach anyway? I can imagine cam hartline and bess all getting about the same amount of snaps by the end of the year unless one of them really explodes and comes out of his level and moves up…and for that I TOTALLY agree that hartline is the only one of the three with THAT kind of potential
I see both sides to the arguement
However, I will argue a different point. It isn’t that you necessarily need the best WR out there between Camarillo, Bess, or Hartline. What you do need is the best combination of WRs IMO. You can’t have the three best slot WRs in the NFL on the field at the same time because they are the three best. You will want WRs that bring a little something different to the offense. You need the guy that DEMANDS a doubleteam….hell Marshall. And it just so happens that Marshall is also a great possession receiver because of his size and strength. What he does lack is real speed. Are we going to get that speed from Camarillo? Bess? Sure Bess has better “Quickness” off of the line, but I don’t think he is as fast as Hartline is. I know Camarillo isn’t as fast. So maybe Hartline is the better match as the starters and will give the Dolphins a better skill set than running BM, and GC. I don’t know who is the better WR….that’s all subjective anyways. It really doesn’t matter who the starter is because they will all get plenty of snaps alongside Marshall. Sure Bess and Camarillo had a higher completion percentage, but couldn’t that be because they were being thrown shorter routes that were supposed to have a higher completion percentage? How hard is it to complete a bubble screen to Bess? I seem to remember alot of Hartlines throws being longer passes. That to me would explain a lower completion rate. Doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t a better WR or better route runner.
Personally, I would love to see some 4 WR sets this year with them all on the field at the same time. Don’t know that it will happen, but I would like to see it!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Also,
I don’t think “progress stopper” is necessarily deemed to refer solely to age. It has to do with limiting the progress of younger, more talented and potential-packed players.
To say Camarillo would be a progress stopper in that regard, as I believe you can agree with me that Hartline IS indeed more talented (raw or not). So, perhaps it’s to a much smaller degree than JP or JT would have been to Wake; it’s still stopping progress to start Camarillo.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't agree,
I don’t see why we would put an inferior player on the field because he might end up being better, it’s not like he is some kind of superstar in waiting, why can’t he earn his way onto the field like everybody else, just sayin.
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by uncle finster on Aug 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
as opposed to whom?
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sickening? really?
who would you rather have starting?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 10, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
Why have Marshall and Marshall-small (Bess, and I only say this as to mean that Bess is a very small possession receiver—that’s it) on the field? Bess is suited for slot, and it makes no sense to trade speed and agility (in Hartline) for slightly better hands (in Cam) when we already have hands on the field.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hartline looks to be the best option we have
but that doesnt mean he’s a #2, if that’s the case then i’d like to see what we have in Julius Pruitt (who is 6’2" and runs a 4.4) or a Taurus Johnson
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Or Roberto Wallace (6'4" 220, 4.41)
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He's the UDFA WR that's getting the buzz in camp
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yea ive heard his name pop up a few times
hopefully he’ll do something in preseason
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We dont have a proven WR to stretch the field
Hartline is the best option for us right now
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Proven would be optimum, but not always feasible...
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Well, sure.
But come on man.. if he looks to be the best option, but we’re short-changing him merely because we don’t like the body of work (or lack thereof), then why are we not giving him the benefit of the doubt?
If people see this team as not being ready yet, what the hell do we have to lose by starting him and giving him his chance to shine?
I think if JP or TJ were better options, we’d have given them more first-team (or hell even second-team) reps by now.
Obviously, no preseason games have been played, but.. this weekend will start to tell us more.
I need not mention Patrick Turner syndrome.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave, Dave, Dave
Realize what you are dealing with here buddy. We don’t have Ginn to beat up on this year. So by default, we are going to have to debate and complain about something and Hartline is turning into that for alot of fans (though I personally don’t feel it’s justified). The funny thing is that at the end of the year last year, alot of the fans that are “doubting” Hartline as a starter, were singing his praise. Dolphin fans are no different than any other team, we are going to find something to disagree on, complain about, or find another player to hate (that falls to Pat White this year since Ginn and the Gerbil are gone).
You can argue til you are blue in the face or until the Jets win another Superbowl, whichever comes first….but you aren’t going to convince the fans that NEED something to debate, argue, disagree on, or someone to hate on!
LOL….if you have nothing better to do, then by all means keep on keepin on brother! I tend to agree with you! Though I think when we are honest with each other we can all agree that there probably isn’t much that seperates Camarillo, Bess, or Hartline in terms of talent and skill at this point in their careers. Starting any one of those players over another one isn’t going to hurt us. They are all going to play a fair number of snaps and all of them are going to make plays for us….especially now that Marshall is here.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...would love to see
one of the guys with burner speed get a chance. lets see if we can get a guy who can actually strech the field as we are totally set on “great hands” and “beastly possession” type recievers. I admit that I hated to see Teddy go because of the loss of that speed…HOWEVER….I very nearly pulled an ELVIS and shot my TV last year cuz of his drops and so I had no problems seeing him go…just miss the threat…lets see if one of these other guys can make it!
by unklphinnie on Aug 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
that sucks
should have been a reply to DB about 7 replys up or so…as that is what I clicked reply for!!!!!!
by unklphinnie on Aug 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I had this discussion in another post...
Our WR core is more like NEs in the sense that we have a great #1 and #3 WR as opposed to a great #1 and #2 combo. The bulk of NE’s receptions go to the #1 and #3 guys (Moss and Welker). The #2 WR takes up the slack. I think that’s our WRs will be. We have a great #1 and a great #3 who will get the majority of the looks. Whoever our #2 guy is just has to take up the slack.
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But it's different situations
First and foremost the Pats have a guy by the name of Tom Brady throwing the rock. Secondly NE’s offense is a spread attack so their priority is throwing the ball.
Now… Randy Moss is a threat to go deep on every play which is why Welker is so effective. You see Moss takes the safety where ever he goes and leaves the underneath stuff for Welker where he thrives.
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Fair enough but noone is going to dare and single cover Brandon Marshall
Even if he isn’t necessarily a deep threat, he takes that 8th man out of the box which is what we need him to do.
And we may not have tom brady but The patriots dont have Ronnie or ricky running the ball for them (their RB’s dont amount to half of what we have)
Hey I loved ted ginn and I was sad that we let him go but just because the CB doesn’t have to worry about someone blazing past him doesn’t mean it doesn’t open things up for our offense.
And B hartline is a beast he does things with the ball (and he was a rookie) he takes those short slants and makes them into 20 yard plays (even if he doesnt take them to the house they are still effective) which makes him a great number 2 reciever.
The only knock on him is his speed and he is faster than a lot of other number 2’s in the league. he is faster than welker he is faster than TJ housmenzadah
And you might say hey every Top 3 passing game has a speed guy but we dont’ need Top 3 elite passing game. We have a great running game we have 4 guys who can get you that first down (Which i would take over a speed guy any day)
Think about it We have 4 very reliable guys to get you a 1st down Brandon Marshall DAVONE BESS Greg Camarillo and Brian Hartline. What other team can say they have that type of chain moving combo.
Our offense is going to be unstoppable mang.
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Marshall is a #1 wr,
I never said teams wouldn’t double team him…that’s just obvious. But it doesn’t matter if the Patriots had Adrian Peterson, they are a pass first team.
As for Hartline we know he’s good but don’t get ahead of yourself
he takes those short slants and makes them into 20 yard plays (even if he doesnt take them to the house they are still effective) which makes him a great number 2 reciever.
He did that once, and that was towards the end of the game against a Saints defense that already had the game sealed by their offense
Btw Welker is a slot wr not a #2 and he doesnt need speed because Moss has plenty of it…As for TJ Whosyourmoma he played opposite Chad Johnson who also had some good speed to compliment each other.
But I do agree our O will be good
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But Marshall will take a CB and a safety with him just like Moss
All the #2 WR needs to do is occupy another CB and then Bess will be free to work underneath like Welker. I don’t think Moss’ speed has anything to do with whether or not Welker can get open. Marshall can work down the field also. While he doesn’t have Moss’ speed, he’ll command a double team. It’ll be the same principle. Welker is the checkdown option for NE and Bess can thrive in that same role here. And while we won’t go spread like NE, we can still utilize 3 WR sets where Bess can get open in the slot.
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Of course Marshall will attract double teams
And Moss had EVERYTHING to do with Welkers success. Don’t get me wrong, Welker can get open on his own, but he wouldn’t have nearly the amount of success without Moss. When Welker is catching 10+ passes for 200 yards, its because all of the attention is geared towards Moss. Teams are more worried about Moss than Welker because Moss is a threat to take it deep every time.
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Don't you think you're short-changing Welker a bit?
While on the Dolphins in 2006 he had 67 receptions with Joey Harrington & Co. throwing to him. 67 receptions with Harrington has got to translate to close to 100 with Brady even if Moss isn’t on the other side. This is just my opinion, but I always thought he was awesome and underused in Miami, and any time I watch the Pats play it seems like its Welker and Brady making that offense go. To me Welker is a top 10 WR in this league, with or without Moss.
Nooooooooo
Don’t get me wrong, Welker can get open on his own, but he wouldn’t have nearly the amount of success without Moss.
Welker is a great player and I Acknowledged that, but he’s not putting up 200 yards receiving by his damn self. The attention put on Moss allows Welker to expose 1 on 1 coverage and put up big time numbers
the top 10 WR comment may be stretch, because Welker isn’t better than these guys.
1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Calvin Johnson
4. Randy Moss
5. Vincent Jackson
6. Brandon Marshall
7. Steve Smith
8. Greg Jennings
9. Roddy White
10. Marques Colston
One thing you have to remember is that Welker is a slot WR that’s wheres hes best effective, not lining up outside…so that top 10 comment is a little eh…
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by Deuce Black on Aug 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He might not be as talented overall as some of those guys as a WR
But I will argue that he is one of the best if not the best Slow WR of all time. NOW TRANSLATE THAT…..he is the best at finding an open spot in the defense that are generally short routes and he takes advantage of his quickness. I really have to rack my brain to come up with someone that plays the slot position any better than he does in NE. I don’t think Welker can be covered….period. There isn’t a 3rd CB on any team, or a safety or LB that has the quickness to stay with him off the line. Sure they have the top end speed to cover him deep down field…but not the first 5 yards which is where he has a majority of his passes thrown.
I guarantee you that if you ask Tom Brady, how many of those other WRs you listed he would rather have over Welker and there might be 3 of them….AT MOST. Welker, or any other great slot WR is a QBs best friend. If you know that they are open and they are going to catch almost every pass thrown to them, that’s a great weapon to have! Look how much Henne valued and used Bess. Welker is definitely superior to Welker in every aspect of the game. Not to mention Welker is actually dangerous with the ball in his hand.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Moss is the reason for Welker getting open
What I said was it wasn’t necessarily his speed that dictates that. Marshall or Fitzgerald commands a double team just like Moss and Welker would have slot success with them too, even though they aren’t known for speed.
My point was that its the double teams Moss get help Welker, but not his speed per se. Likewise the double teams Marshall attract will help Bess in a similar manner.
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by The Earl on Aug 10, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh ok i see what your saying but Moss's
speed still plays a role in that, just sayin
but theres no doubt Bess will benefit from Marshalls presence
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well I said TO like 90 times
then he signed with a Cincy team and proved that he can still play.
I don’t see why we couldn’t get him in for a 1 year deal.
I have 0 confidence in Hartline. Zero. I hope he can prove me wrong.
According to the guy from ProFootballFocus that Matty interviewed...
He said that Hartline’s rookie season was extremely comparable to TO’s rookie season. So who knows… maybe we have similar version of TO. Except without the chemistry killing me-first attitude, and the throwing his QBs under the bus crap, and the sideline drama, and the other baggage that the real TO brings.
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i think you guys have this perception of HArtline that just isn't real
physically, how do you see him doing against a physical cornerback?
The games he had last year was bc the opposing D was in a prevent defense because we were down by 24 points in the first half.
Listen. Its just the way I am. I find a guy I dno’t like on both sides of the ball and he is on the list at this point. Channing Crowder and Hartline. I just feel that there are better options out there then these 2 guys. Obviously mgmt doesn’t feel the same.
I would love to be wrong, believe me.
But why didn’t we just take Dez Bryant in the first round and have the best offense in the entire NFL?
What we really need is more speed at the position...
And that’s not Bryant.
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Because of the baggage and i think at that point it was too awkward considering
Ireland already had that fiasco with him…..
But more importantly we really needed to shore up that defense….. either at FS or NT….
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by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not really advocating Hartline either...
I just don’t want TO within 1000 miles of my team. If you had said Patrick Turner, it would have liked it better than TO. There was a time in TO’s career when his skill level was worth the baggage. Its not that way anymore. TO has proven to be a nuisance (that’s putting it VERY lightly) everywhere he has been.
I think Hartline still has a lot to prove and I personally hope one of the other guys like Wallace, Johnson, Pruitt, or Moore can make the team and become a weapon we can use. I know I’m bucking the odds with that, but I like to pull for the underdogs.
In any case, I wouldn’t want TO to be on this team… ever.
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I think TO looked pretty good in the pre-season game. He looks quick and hes a big target.
If you don’t have 2 guys on him then hes going to do some damage.
Can you say the same about Hartline? I just felt that TO would have made the overall offense better whereas Hartline is kind of just a lack of a better option choice to line up on the opposite side of Brandon Marshall.
I am thinking about getting Brandon marshall some 1 on 1 coverage and with Hartline you can be sure that teams are going to lean towards focusing on Brandon Marshall.
With TO maybe you have to think twice.
Speed can only do so much… ted ginn cough cough
I don't TO offers us anything that we don't have already...
Marshall is our guy that will command a double team. The only reason TO was getting doubled the other night was because OchoCInco looked hideous.
I think Hartline will be ok, as would Camarillo because they won’t be the focus of the passing attack. Marshall and Bess will get most of the targets. Marshall will do what he does. Bess will be a monster underneath and on 3rd down.
And I’m not worried about Marshall getting double teams and stuff because he always got that in Denver. Moss gets doubled as does Andre Johnson and Steve Smith. They still get it done even against the double teams because they are just that good. I think Marshall’s presence will give Hartline or whoever starts an opportunity to shine. If they can’t get it done, then I’d become worried. But I’d like to see what Hartline actually can do now that Marshall will open things up for him.
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So your really saying that
Hartline v. single coverage is the same thing as TO v. Single coverage?
If TO is in great shape then he is 2 yrs removed from a great year and 1 year removed from an OK year in one of the worst offenses I have ever seen. He had no problem torching us last year.
Hartline has more upside than T.O.
he is young and he made plays sure he probably isn’t going to truck anyone over but i am more than happy with him as a number 2 he shows great route running
LIke what is the knock on him besides speed?
look at the patriots who is their number 2? (not welker) Sam Aiken lulz Taylor Price? lulz
And don’t we always say that the 3rd year is when WR break out? I mean Hartline has time and could get drastically better
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No I'm not saying that...
But Hartline is a 2nd year guy with upside that hasn’t had a real opportunity to prove what he can do. TO is an aging vet with tons of baggage.
Our FO is trying to build a team that not only can win right now, but that can win for the next decade. Bringing in TO is a Jets-like maneuver that says we are trying to win it all right now and don’t care about the future. TO would do nothing but hinder the growth process and probably ruin the locker room chemistry doing it.
The coaching staff has said they like what they’ve seen at the WR position. They brought in David Martin which shows that they aren’t afraid to bring in competition at a struggling area.
The statistician at PFF said Hartline had a very similar rookie season to Owens. That tells me that he flashed signs of potential during his rookie season (with a green QB to boot).
While I don’t expect Hartline to become a dominant WR in the NFL, I’d like to give him a chance to prove exactly what he CAN do before even thinking about bringing in a problem like TO.
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good reasoning but I do believe that the Dolphins will be
re-addressing the lack of a compliment WR to Brandon Marshall in next years draft. I don’t think we have that guy right now.
I agree with you
I don’t think we leave the WR position the way it is unless Hartline does absolutely explode within the next season or two. But until we have that “luxury” pick, after we’ve addressed everything else and can start building elite depth, I think Hartline at Y and Bess in the slot can get the job done.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we could have some gems on the team right now...
Roberto Wallace has the size and speed to be a monster. Julius Pruitt also has good size and speed.
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The former, I have to see more of
The latter, I just hear nothing about. I’d like to hear some positive stuff about him from an exhibition game. Same with the other guys.
I don’t think these are the guys that would emerge like an IAF, however, and earn significant roles or snaps on the 53.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not, but I hope that one of them can step it up...
Wallace was a late round prospect anyway. And this draft was so deep, he probably would have been drafted in other years. He came from a spread system so he’ll have to adjust to a pro route tree. But according to the tweeters, he has been having a good camp and can be a sleeper. If Turner sucks in preseason again, then Wallace can take that spot from him.
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Yeah, sounds good
but these are the things I get pessimistic about. I loved what I heard about IAF, what the transition might mean for our defense, the impact he could make, etc. etc.
It wasn’t until I heard Sparano say that he would rotate IAF in as a run-stopper that I began to believe he actually could emerge as a contributor (a strong one at that).
I will keep that wait-and-see approach with Wallace et al to not get my hopes up.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Sparano did say he was impressed with Wallace in the vertical game...
I doubt he’s anything more than PS material at this point. But it seems like he is hovering around that 5th/6th WR spot. If he can play ST and outplay Turner in the preseason, then I think he can get that 5th spot away from Turner. From what I’ve read, no one else is really challenging Turner for the 5th spot except maybe Wallace.
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As I'd expect it to be
Bess-type players rarely occur. You can only catch lightning in a bottle every so often.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallace can contribute on ST
Turner cannot.. so we’ll see if that matters
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 10, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it matters
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Completely agree
Between Hartline and Camarillo lined up on the opposite side of the Beast, with Bess in the slot, and R&R running over people…..the offense will do just fine. Having that stud #2 WR wasn’t our biggest need this year.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and I don't get it.
All we did was bitch about not having a true #1 WR…..now that we have that #1, we decide we need to bitch about the lack of a true speed guy or a true #2? LOL…well 3 years from now I can see it….“We really don’t have a true #5 WR” And our 3rd string QB isn’t up to par!!"
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
All I am going to say is that Hartline was a rookie last year.
A ROOKIE. He did well by my standards considering we didn’t have a true number one WR last year to make defenses respect us….and we essentially had a rookie QB throwing the ball with an offense game planned for “Noodle-arm” as many of you like to call him. Give us at least 4 games with the new offense to make some judgements.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Management is very opposed to your viewpoints, man.
Crowder, I guess I can understand. Though I think we all start to like him more this season after we see what Karlos Dansby can allow him to do.
As for Hartline, he bulked up 11 pounds. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt for now, because how many cornerbacks are so much stronger or bigger than around 200 pounds? I don’t think you can necessarily argue that his size (or lack thereof) is something that will hinder him.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Aug 10, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Ah...I see
Kind of like my response to your previous post…he is your whipping boy. I can live with that…even though I don’t agree with it.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That seems a bit harsh.
I can understand people that said that about Ginn…but Hartline? What the hell did he do to lose so much confidence from you DRoyce? Or is he just your whipping boy this year (I do understand most fans do have someone that they love to hate on their roster)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Aug 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You got four so far... LOL!
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Id like to see this kid do something and maybe make the team, He was Bess’s other wideout in Hawaii when they had Colt Brennean throwing the ball. If given the opportunity I think he will be a nice surprise
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 11, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Carrol is seeing time at returner as well
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 12, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
well let's not over use him his intrcate value kinda stand's out now a bit more then normal!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 13, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
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