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2010 Training Camp Primer: Where is the pressure going to come from?

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Yes that's right - we're close enough to training camp that it's time to break out our training camp primers, which are essentially designed to be discussion starters that highlight some of the main story lines facing the Miami Dolphins as they enter camp.

We'll start out the series by focusing in on perhaps the topic that has been beaten to death the most this offseason. Of course, you are probably wondering why I'm going to spend more time on this if it has already been over-killed. That's easy - it really is that important.

As we all know, the Dolphins will be replacing both of their starting outside linebackers. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but when the two players who tallied over one-third of your team's total sacks are no longer around, finding a way to recoup those sacks becomes priority number one.

It's not just about the sacks, though. The Dolphins struggled getting consistent pressure on the quarterback in 2009 despite their 44 sacks - which tied for third in the league last year. If you watched this team week in and week out, you know that there were too many times when the opposing quarterback had time to take the snap, drop back, make a sandwich, read the paper, and then complete a pass to an open receiver.

That's what the Dolphins can't let happen in 2010 - not when four of the team's first six games are against offense's that finished in the top 10 in passing last year.

Star-divide

When the Dolphins cut Porter and let Taylor walk, they not only let over one-third leave Miami - those two also represented a quarter of the team's 126 quarterback pressure in '09.

It goes beyond just the loss of Taylor and Porter. While I like the position switch from defensive end to nose tackle, Randy Starks accounted for seven sacks and 15 quarterback pressures in 2009. Those figures will obviously decrease with Randy's move to the nose.

Meanwhile, Akin Ayodele, for all his faults, was sixth on the team in quarterback pressures. But now he's in Denver.

With all this said, the Dolphins aren't without hope by any means. Karlos Dansby will be a huge upgrade over Ayodele in the middle of this defense. He can cover and he can rush the passer.

Rookie Jared Odrick will team up with third year veterans Kendall Langford and Phillip Merling to help replace the production of Starks at end. It's also expected that Randy will get some pass-rushing opportunities in Miami's nickel and dime defenses when Miami uses four down linemen.

Most of the scrutiny, of course, will be on the team's young, inexperienced outside linebackers. Cameron Wake has the tools to be an elite pass-rusher. Last year, Wake had 5.5 sacks and 20 quarterback pressures despite participating in about one-fifth of the snaps that Jason Taylor participated in. In fact, ProFootballFocus has Wake participating in 167 defensive snaps - of which Wake had 134 pass-rushing opportunities. In those opportunities, Wake applied pressure or sacked the opposing quarterback nearly 20% of the time.

Rookie Koa Misi, who has spent basically the entire offseason working as the starting strong side linebacker, will also be a key factor. The good news is that people seem to be encouraged with what Misi will become. One personnel director told the Miami Herald that "everybody thinks Misi could be an impact player."

Charlie Anderson is the other player who will see increased opportunities in 2010. He has been working as the starter on the weak side - for now - holding off Wake. And while many of you probably know I'm not the biggest Anderson fan around, he does deserve a fair shot. After all, he did have two sacks and six quarterback pressures in 67 pass-rush opportunities last year.

No - replacing two pass-rushers who are currently first and second in career sacks among active players won't be easy. But there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic heading into camp.


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Nolan is the key

 I think he will have a lot of different coverages, and packages to aid in getting to the QB. Missi and wake will need to step up there games.

by ecks on Jul 7, 2010 6:44 AM EDT reply actions  

If he repeats his 22 spot jump in overall D, we will be #1!

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and I don't expect that but top 5 would be awesome.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 7, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, i'm just saying that will happen if we have a 21 spot jump.

aka repeat success (for Nolan)

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see us being first though but there is all kinds of room for improvement.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 7, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think top 10 D, Top 5 Running attack, and top 10 passing attack.

I think these are slightly optimistic goals, but totally accomplishable.

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think those are realistic especially the first two which I am counting on.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 7, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we could go far in the playoffs if all that happens

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

he essentially could be out defensive MVP

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by BSerious72 on Jul 7, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am anxiously awaiting an EarthWake

I have no doubt he is the key to the pressure. I just hope he can tighten up the other areas of his game.

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by dolphinfanatic717 on Jul 7, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Question....

I’m still learning the scheme of things with football…… Why was Wake able to get as many sacks as he did with minimal snaps? Is he just that bad ass? I know the guy is a sack machine, but why do people doubt his ability to play full time?

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 7, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Wake was mainly subbed in for obvious passing downs.

So say its 3 and long, and the opposing offense is playing catch up, chuck wake in to get the qb. However Wake hasn’t proven much playing all the other aspects of an OLB such as gap responsibility, coverages and other crap, this is mainly due to him playing DE for most of his career so there’s a learning curve for many DEs converting into 3-4 OLBS.

by aquandy on Jul 7, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cool...

Thanks…. I’m guessing that’s why they would play him on the weak side?

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 7, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, weakside LB's generally are more of a pass rusher

While it is nice to have them more well rounded, its generally more of a rush oriented position in most 3-4 schemes

by kozam9707 on Jul 7, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And playing in the Canadian League

Where you only have 3 downs instead of 4, which make the teams more likely to pass.

More predictability for the pass = greater success of rush oriented DE’s, which Wake was while he obliterated other teams single handedly

by kozam9707 on Jul 7, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a pass happy league now....

and with the amount of talent we have at DE, wouldn’t it make someone think that we will see more of the 4-3 D? I know we’re going to run a hybrid this year…… It seems that 1st and 3rd downs are the biggest passing downs?

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 7, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

our DEs arent pass rush specialists

there more accustomed to playing in a 3-4 meaning there more like interior lineman then the what they are in a 4-3, if that makes sense.

by aquandy on Jul 7, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A 3-4 DE is closer to being a 4-3 DT,

while a 3-4 OLB is more like a 4-3 DE. This is why our OLB’s in Wake, JT, and JP last year were in a 3-pt stance a lot of times last year.

by GoPhish13 on Jul 7, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

On that note

About 3-4 DE being closer to a 4-3 DT…..couldn’t there be an argument for Starks having an easier time converting to NT than some realize?

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by Red Dog on Jul 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, a 3-4 NT

is different from a 3-4 DE and a 4-3 DT also.

Without getting overly in depth, a 3-4 NT has different gap assignments and has to be more of a space eater than a blitzer in comparison to a 4-3 DT

by kozam9707 on Jul 7, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there is some history of DT's struggling with a switch to NT (Warren Sapp).

NT is probably one of the hardest positions to fill right next to QB. This may be why Haynesworth is so reluctant to make the switch. That and he’s a punk.

by GoPhish13 on Jul 7, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aquandy is correct,

for all intents and purposes they are different positions, ironically what they have most in common is their designation, DE.

by uncle finster on Jul 7, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

But, JP sent him back out a number of times, so his

stats should have been better

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My sack per front 7 player prediction...

WAKE: 16
MISI: 7
STARKS: 4
MERLING: 3
LANGFORD: 6
ODRICK: 4
CROWDER: 3
DANSBY: 6

by aquandy on Jul 7, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Forty nine sacks altogether?

Nice.

But I think Crowder will have zero.

The others seem ok….

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by Alpha6 on Jul 7, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

crowder is gonna bounce back

but wake will not hav 16 sacks, dont get your hopes too high

maybe 13 or 14

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by finzrule on Jul 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

25+

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

:) Monster year!

Wake will be Nolans favorite. Nolan likes to apply pressure and Wake will be his main guy.

Beast at WR
Robot At QB
and a Monster at WOLB

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 7, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the way you think !!

Florida,....a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there,.....in the Summer.

by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 7, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% with Crowder bouncing back....

BUT!!!! Dansby will have alot to do with that….. He’s going to give Crowder lots more working room.

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 7, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget CB and safety

I would say
WAKE: 18
MISI: 7
STARKS: 4
MERLING: 2
LANGFORD: 4
ODRICK: 3
Crowder: 2
Dansby: 3 (since he will be in coverage more)
J Allen: 1
Davis: 2
Bell: 3

by HvvK on Jul 7, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bell is the better cover safety

Anything good from blown coverage Gibril Wilson was when he blitzed got a sack or got pressure. I think whether its Clemons or Jones or whoever they might get a sack or two and probably not Bell.

by pj521 on Jul 7, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd give Anderson a few and come down on wake by a few....

What are we going to do when our 8 week " I broke a big rule" guy comes back? Should he be added in or is he going to take a seat if Starks handles the load?

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 7, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's time all of us chip in to get Matty a Charlie Anderson jersey, lol

I’m looking forward to seeing Vontae blitz. He just seems like someone that could really dominate coming off the edge. I’d imagine Davis and Smith will start but the key is Will Allen can easily come of the bench, replace Vontae and then Vontae can move into nickel and be used in blitz packages. Same for Chris Clemons with Will Allen playing FS. I’d really like to see some of those sacks come from behind the LBs.

Anderson and Moses are good enough to compete, Misi should be an early answer and Wake needs to be run into the ground. Wake is 28 so there’s a fine line between project and roster filler. Wake can’t afford not increasing his stats from 2009 drastically, especially now that the media is hyping him.

I think Starks and Odrick could eat up some of that pressure while lined up in the interior of a 4-3. When Ferg returns mid-season they’ll have a much better idea of what’s going on at both OLB positions. They’ll know who the impact players are that currently have a nose for the pressure. Ferg will allow them to mix in more of a traditional 3-4 maximizing on that extra pressure. By mid-season they’ll have an idea of where the best places are to bring that pressure and who becomes a liability. Right now with Starks at NT they’ve almost stacked the D with pressure. Hopefully they’ll learn early who the best are at creating that pressure.

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by special agent wildcat on Jul 7, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I would not put WA at FS

If we can blitz both a LB and Clemons, the rush should get there.

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with SPA

Although losing Ferg for those 8 games what a boost that will be in week 9 when he comes back..No one is talking about our other nose…whats up with that?

by Phins4life2334 on Jul 7, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Ryan Baker should be excellent in the rotation...

… big, active…. an undrafted free agent, I think.

Soliai is also good in the rotation, tho I think Ryan should be 1st back-up.

But what do I know?

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by Alpha6 on Jul 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

as much as me

Baker is our hidden gem.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 7, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for the weak side I myself could see Wake coming out on obvious short yardage situations.

As opposed to last year coming in on obvious passing situations. IMO the weak side position will be played by commitee at least until Nolan figures out a nice balance there.

by cdizzy on Jul 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Dumping Porter and JT was a good idea

We got a lot faster which will keep me from yelling “He has all day!” at the TV as much. Wake can get around the edge quickly forcing the QB up in the pocket where a young hungry Dline will be. Add in a few Nolan blitzes up the middle and we are in great shape.

Watching the film, Porter was rarely getting off the ball quickly and never getting off blocks. Both Porter and JT were slow and benefited from pressure from others forcing the QB into them as well as coverage sacks.

by HvvK on Jul 7, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Both Porter and JT were slow and benefited from pressure from others forcing the QB into them as well as coverage sacks.

I’m glad others saw that to

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 7, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know where I can get

team stats for the college level, for past years. Thanks

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

search around espn page. or type in the stats you want in google and go to the page with the espn link

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by 54 on Jul 7, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to know if there are any good sites, because

that is very inefficient. I want overall rushing stats

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by PotM on Jul 7, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of stats

I think having a more agressive D will help. It certainly helped the Jets (who were one of the top blitzing teams last year) even though there were 18th in sacks with 32. I’ll take 18th in sacks for best pass D.
I would be interested in knowing how we compared to the rest of the league in blitzing. Anyone got stats on that? Bueller….Bueller…..

by christiandolfan on Jul 7, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'M WITH MATTY

You can say what you want but letting J Taylor go was Miami’s biggest offseason blunder. He not only was our franchise face, but he also was our mentor on defense as CP10 was on defense, and remember, last season was JT first in our 3-4 and he shined. It would have been an enormous difference with Taylor and Wake on the ouside with Misi subbing either. My point, I still yearn to hear Dansby and Taylor reigning havoc on Sanchez and the jets with Wake weighing in from the opposite side of the field. Parcell’s ego got the best of him on this one, and maybe he needs to stop dancing with the stars.

by fin4three5yrs on Jul 7, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

letting J Taylor go was Miami’s biggest offseason blunder

Letting go of Ginn was our biggest offseason blunder. Because BM is another “possession” WR. Keeping JT here as a back-up would of been nice. He wants to be a starter a WOLB and we have younger guys with better knees and huge upside at OLB. So it wouldn’t have worked out.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 7, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 calling 54

JT showed no signs of a chronic knee effect or else the jets would not have picked him up.I will miss GInn for KO return, but as a receiver, he was scared of all contact, which is why his yards after catch suffered and the fins had to hire new field workers to maintain the sidelines becuz Ted wore those white lines out. Tho BM lacks elite speed, his yac is the best in the NFL.

by fin4three5yrs on Jul 7, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just using JT words against him.

JT has lost a step. He still is quick off the ball but after he gets off the line he falls into quicksand and loses all his pass rushing speed. I don’t think he can be a dominate pass rusher anymore. By the end of last year he was a dominate force at SOLB with all the duties besides pass rushing. However, like i said he wants to be a starting WOLB. His main job will be to apply pressure at WOLB and i don’t think he can do that anymore. Misi was one of my top OLB picks going into the draft. So I am biased saying he’ll be good. But, I really do believe he will be a good SOLB.

Ginn is Ginn. Yes we will miss his returns. But, I think we will miss him at WR even more because he would of opened up our field with his speed. Ginn would of been more of a decoy receiver than a threat. But D’s would of still had to respect him because he would of still pull in a few home runs a season.

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by 54 on Jul 7, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

JT STILL A FACTOR AND REX RYAN KNOW IT

I will agree JT sacks would of declined, but like Zach, his attitude,will,and his drive that let you know failure ain’t an option is invaluable and contagious. His hit on our cap would have been minimum and just having him in a fin uniform would have shown our appreciation for the guys that brought it on Sundays, hence giving all our young players someone to emulate and looking forward to fin fan adulation.

by fin4three5yrs on Jul 7, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

What cap?

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by texascowpunk on Jul 7, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree^^

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by 21Dave on Jul 7, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our team this year

I hate to say it , and pray that im wrong, but we are slow learners. I think Nolan will be a huge plus for us , but we have some guys on our team that may take a little to ajust to all his schemes.ex. CBs , FS, SS, for coverage packages. Our O will ride on whatever Henne can do and has learned.I think this year will be 2or3 wins better than last year at best, but that just might do it. I think next year will be our strongest in a very very long time.

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by 21Dave on Jul 7, 2010 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Well 10 and 6 is playoff contention in the East....

BUT, I think we could be the sleeper team this year…. Side note: Have you seen the Bills ground attack stack? Spiller, Lynch and Jackson if I’m correct…..

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 7, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills have running backs but no offensive line.

A horrible offensive line makes me not worry to much about their running attack. Add that to the complete lack of a QB and I think we (and most teams) will stack the box and make life a lot harder for Spiller than it was in college. My biggest fear regarding the Bills is that the Miami squad things the same way I do and overlooks the game like we did last year…

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by Dakota Phan on Jul 8, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.....

I don’t think their passing game will beat us….. I wan’t too sure about the O line….. I’m sure the worked on it a bit though to open up their run game…..

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 8, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's that Number 49 ...

… in the background of the picture? With that fine physique, would he not be good for sneaking through the legs of the Offensive Line and biting the ankles of the QB at least once a game?

by Fish and Chips on Jul 8, 2010 5:46 AM EDT reply actions  

LMAO....

I said that once he was brought in… stack the line and get him on the bottom of the pile….. Chomp, chomp.. poke poke.

by Rickslilpiece on Jul 8, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Misi shall suprise

wait and see

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by Patssuck456 on Jul 8, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Love to see Misi start, this guy is to be speacal!

Man i thuoght i was in the war room when we drafted him Thx WZB!

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by wild zion beaver on Jul 9, 2010 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

You were

but it was a different room altogether……..

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by Alpha6 on Jul 9, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol; if only you knew how true.

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