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Reading a post by The Earl about evaluating 40 times with respect to speed really got me to thinking: Why not go one step further and use the split times to evaluate the change of speed, otherwise known as acceleration.  Now I admit that you can't look too deep into these numbers for two reasons:

  1. Measurables are overrated by us fans and Al Davis
  2. A very small difference in time can make a pretty decent sized change in acceleration, and these are humans we are talking about, not machines;  so every time someone ran a 40 the times would be slightly different. So take that into consideration when comparing these acceleration numbers.

Now I would have thought that there would be no interest in something like this among the general public, but it seems there are some real math nerds like myself out there.  Before I go further, I would like to give credit to The Earl for opening this discussion;  and hopefully I haven't taken it one step too far (something I have been known to do, just ask my wife).  

Star-divide

 

I decided to use Chris Johnson as a comparison, as he seems to be the gold standard in the NFL right now for what "fast" is.  Using the 10 and 20 split times, along with the actual 40 time, I extrapolated the average velocities (in yards per second) from 0 to 10 yards, 10 to 20 yards, 20 to 40 yards, and 0 to 40 yards.  By using these average velocities I found the average accelerations (in yards per second squared) between those same 4 distances.  I don't want to get too in depth about how I evaluated the numbers, but I will provide a section at the end of the post giving exactly how I came up with the numbers for those of you that are curious or would like to make sure the numbers are valid (for you math nerds).  Also, the numbers I used are from the following site:  

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/history/combine/position/RB

CHRIS JOHNSON

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.40

 

0 to 10

7.14

5.10

20

2.41

 

10 to 20

9.90

2.73

40

4.24

 

20 to 40

10.93

0.56

 

 

 

0 to 40

9.43

2.58

 

 

I apologize for the crudity of the table;  I actually had this looking all nice on excel with some Dolphins colors, but I guess I'm not computer savvy enough to make it work.  Now, what do these numbers mean?  Well, you've got to compare it to another player to really get an idea of how good these numbers are.  So I decided to use someone that I see as a future lock HOF RB that has decent speed, but I never really considered a speedster.

LADAINIAN TOMLINSON

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.54

 

0 to 10

6.49

4.22

20

2.59

 

10 to 20

9.52

2.89

40

4.46

 

20 to 40

10.70

0.63

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.97

2.40

 

A little bit about how to look at these stats: 

If you look at Chris Johnson's ACC compared to LT's, CJ starts off with way more acceleration but then LT has more after 10 yards.  That doesn't necessarily mean that LT is catching up to CJ, you actually have to look at the velocity from 10-20 and 20-40 to realize that CJ is still going faster throughout and would be creating increasing separation for the entire 40 yards.  His higher acceleration early just means that he reached "top speed" a lot faster, which is obviously better.  So when comparing these players, it is better to compare velocities at given stretches while the acceleration really just tells you how good their individual "gears" are.

That brings me to another point I wanted to make.  I have heard some people mention stuff like "being able to maintatin top speed".  Well, if you look at the stats, both of these players are still accelerating through the 40 yards meaning they still haven't even reached their actual top speed.  Now if there was more data, like a 30 yard split, then its entirely plausible that the acceleration from 30-40 could be negative, indicating that they were slowing down.  The acceleration from 20-30 would just be enough to outweigh the deceleration from 30-40 and make the total acceleration from 20-40 positive.

I wanted to find when a player actually starts slowing down, so I found some splits for some 100 meter races.  

http://speedendurance.com/2008/12/02/dwain-chambers-on-usain-bolt-asafa-powell-stride-length-and-stride-frequency/

Now these are professional sprinters, so take it with a grain of salt, but out of a group of 7 sprinters, 5 started slowing down between 50 and 70 meters and the other 2 slowed between 60 and 80 meters (1 meter=1.09 yards).  Looking at this info, I would say a lot of players don't reach their top speed until past 40 yards.  Now later in a game, this would be completely different because of endurance. 

Onto some of our beloved Dolphins:

KORY SHEETS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

   VELOCITY

        ACC

10

1.44

 

0 to 10

6.94

4.82

20

2.57

 

10 to 20

8.85

1.69

40

4.39

 

20 to 40

10.99

1.18

 

 

 

0 to 40

9.11

2.50

 

I wanted to look at Kory Sheets because he’s probably the fastest player on the team and there are a lot of phinsiders that like him.  Looking at his stats, his initial acceleration is almost as good as CJ, and he actually has a higher top speed than CJ.

BRANDON MARSHALL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.60

 

0 to 10

6.25

3.91

20

2.71

 

10 to 20

9.01

2.49

40

4.52

 

20 to 40

11.05

1.13

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.85

2.44

 

Brandon Marshall doesn’t have that good initial acceleration but does have a higher top speed than even Kory Sheets.

BRIAN HARTLINE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.50

 

0 to 10

6.67

4.44

20

2.61

 

10 to 20

9.01

2.11

40

4.52

 

20 to 40

10.47

0.77

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.85

2.32

 

Hartline has very good initial acceleration and a decent top speed.

 

DAVONE BESS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.53

 

0 to 10

6.54

4.27

20

2.61

 

10 to 20

9.26

2.52

40

4.64

 

20 to 40

9.85

0.29

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.62

2.12

 

Bess has decent initial acceleration, but I think his strength is more changing directions than strait-line acceleration. 

 

RYAN GRICE-MULLEN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.53

 

0 to 10

6.54

4.27

20

2.58

 

10 to 20

9.52

2.85

40

4.53

 

20 to 40

10.26

0.38

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.83

2.26

 

Thought I would put Grice-Mullen up here since he is fighting for the KR job.  Same initial acceleration as Bess and a slightly higher top speed.

 

DESEAN JACKSON

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.53

 

0 to 10

6.54

4.27

20

2.52

 

10 to 20

10.10

3.60

40

4.35

 

20 to 40

10.93

0.45

 

 

 

0 to 40

9.20

2.51

 

Figured I would put a non-Dolphin WR in here for comparison.  Same initial acceleration as Bess and Grice-Mullen but has a much better second gear to get to a significantly higher top speed.

 

PAT WHITE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.60

 

0 to 10

6.25

3.91

20

2.63

 

10 to 20

9.71

3.36

40

4.55

 

20 to 40

10.42

0.37

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.79

2.29

 

I’ve been defending Pat White a lot lately and after looking at this maybe I shouldn’t have been, LOL.  He does have a pretty decent second gear though.

 

SEAN SMITH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.53

 

0 to 10

6.54

4.27

20

2.59

 

10 to 20

9.43

2.73

40

4.5

 

20 to 40

10.47

0.54

 

 

 

0 to 40

8.89

2.33

 

I have heard some people say that they think Smith may eventually end up at S because he isn’t the most athletic.  You be the judge.

 

VONTAE DAVIS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS

TIME

 

 

VELOCITY

ACC

10

1.47

 

0 to 10

6.80

4.63

20

2.53

 

10 to 20

9.43

2.48

40

4.4

 

20 to 40

10.70

0.67

 

 

 

0 to 40

9.09

2.43

 

Davis here shows more athleticism than Smith, but not that much.

 

Ranking these 11 players in terms of initial acceleration:

 

  1. Chris Johnson (5.10 yds/sec2)
  2. Kory Sheets (4.82)
  3. Vontae Davis (4.63)
  4. Brian Hartline (4.44)
  5. Bess (4.27)
  6. Grice-Mullen (4.27)
  7. Desean Jackson (4.27)
  8. Sean Smith (4.27)
  9. Ladainian Tomlinson (4.22)
  10. Brandon Marshall (3.91)
  11. Pat White (3.91)

 

Ranking in terms of top speed:

 

  1. Brandon Marshall (11.05 yds/sec)
  2. Kory Sheets (10.99)
  3. Chris Johnson (10.93)
  4. Desean Jackson (10.93)
  5. Vontae Davis (10.70)
  6. Ladainian Tomlinson (10.70)
  7. Brian Hartline (10.47)
  8. Sean Smith (10.47)
  9. Pat White (10.42)
  10. Ryan Grice-Mullen (10.26)
  11. Davone Bess (9.85)

 

You may be looking at these numbers thinking that it took a whole lot of time to extrapolate, but in all honesty, the hardest part is trying to figure out how you want to evaluate the numbers.  I plugged the equations into excel and now I just have to put in the split times and excel does the work for me (I would like to thank my CS150 instructor for introducing me to the wonders of excel).  So, if anybody wants stats for any of their favorite dolphins or other players in the league, just ask.

And for those of you wondering what equations I used, whether it be curiosity or validity, here it is:

1.    Velocity from 0-10:  change in distance (10 yards) divided by change in time (split 1)

2.    Velocity from 10-20:  change in distance (10 yards) divided by change in time (split 2 minus split 1)

3.    Velocity from 20-40:  change in distance (20 yards) divided by change in time (split 3 minus split 2)

4.    Acceleration from 0-10:  change in velocity (1. from above) divided by change in time (split 1)

5.    Acceleration from 10-20:  change in velocity (2. minus 1.) divided by change in time (split 2 minus split 1)

6.    Acceleration from 20-40:  change in velocity (3. minus 2.) divided by change in time (split 3 minus split 2)

Poll
Do you view any of these players as being MORE athletic than you had originally thought?
Kory Sheets
15 votes
Brandon Marshall
17 votes
Brian Hartline
22 votes
Sean Smith
1 votes
No, I'm not really surprised by any of these
9 votes
I have no idea what any of these numbers mean
12 votes

76 votes | Poll has closed

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You should put lex hilliards numbers on here

Alot of people don’t think he has the speed to be a reliable back.

by phinfan37 on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Lex Hilliard

Yards Time Velocity Acceleration
10 1.56 0 to 10 6.41 4.11
20 2.68 10 to 20 8.93 2.25
40 4.68 20 to 40 10.00 0.54
0 to 40 8.55 1.83

Initial acc=4.11
Top speed=10.00

That only puts him ahead of Marshall and PW in acc and only ahead of Bess in top speed. All the players I chose though are pretty fast, so you could consider Lex the crap of the cream. Better than the cream of the crap.

by GoPhish13 on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!

that really looks like crap

by GoPhish13 on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use _________, that

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by PotM on Jul 30, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

So many numbers I'm so confused

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by Weecho85 on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too. But it is still pretty interesting.

My job (career) is heavily influenced by color. Numbers make me dizzy. It’d be insane to not pay attention to this stuff and I’ll wager there are a few “math nerds” in every org.

I’d be a genius working for the3 Smithsonian if I could factor speed relative to head turns, cuts & changes of direction, running with arms extended

Blah, blah, blah.

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by Tunaflipper on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

just look at the summary lol

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea I seen that

"Real gangsta-a$$ ni**as don't flex nuts cause real gangsta-a$$ ni**as know they got'em"-Geto Boyz-
"This weed was the shiz-nittlebam snip-snap-sack"-Thurgood Jenkins
The official KS-22 clan leader!!! LaRon Byrd the next Phenom from the U!!!
Wade County and The 3 Kings!!! Bring J-Will back to Miami!!!

by Weecho85 on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

that comment was ment for the one below

"Real gangsta-a$$ ni**as don't flex nuts cause real gangsta-a$$ ni**as know they got'em"-Geto Boyz-
"This weed was the shiz-nittlebam snip-snap-sack"-Thurgood Jenkins
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Wade County and The 3 Kings!!! Bring J-Will back to Miami!!!

by Weecho85 on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

your boy Sheet was the 2nd fastest acceleration and 2nd fastest top speed. Nice!

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brother, I like where you went with this...

The only thing that could make information like this better is information we can’t get unfortunately. Single yard splits would give us much more accurate information into things like this. Some might say its overkill, but I think it would give us better insight into how good players are at moving in short distances. For example, a standard quick slant is three steps and cut. A WR at 6’0" will reach the cut point in less than 15 feet or 5 yards. A 10 yard split doesn’t give us AS accurate a measurement as say a single yard or even a 5 yard split would.

I think that football is going to begin moving into a metrics era like baseball and basketball. I think we are seeing some of that with websites like footballoutsiders.com and I think its only a matter of time before it moves into the scouting realm. Ultimately, watching how a player plays in live action is the best scouting tool. But since other scouting drills are used as well, I can see teams looking into more advanced ways of testing players to get a better idea of who to invest millions of dollars into. Excellent work.

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by The Earl on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If we had that kind of info there is a lot that could be done with it.

For instance, if it was determined that most LB’s had to be able to meet a RB of a general speed and acceleration at a certain point, then that info could be used to determine if they could do it. You could have literally hundreds of tasks that you would want a player to do, and maybe you want that player to be able to accomplish a certain percentage depending on their position, with some tasks being more vital than others. Coaches could use this info to exploit mismatches, maybe figure that a mike backer has to be able to react pretty quickly to be able to catch a RB on a sweep or what not. All sorts of crazy things you could do with this info, but you’re right, nothing replaces live action.

by GoPhish13 on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot to carry the 2 in the 3rd quadatric

And remember the correct equation is NOT E=MC^2, but E= +\- MC^2 (true story)

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought it was x=[-b+/-√(b²-4ac)]/2a

Why was drilled into my brain? Am I ever going to use this in life????

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

yes, on the semester final

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by PotM on Jul 30, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, I'm past those days

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, thats the quadratic equation.

I was speaking of Einstein’s famous energy equation. lol

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Jul 30, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha I know. :)

That’s the one that says you can’t travel faster than the speed of light. But, Einstein didn’t know it’s possible to bend space/time o_O …I saw some equations and had flashbacks of school. lol

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Einstein was the one who discovered that space-time could bend.

He had a famous experiment during a solar eclipse that showed that the stars around the sun had appeared to move from their original locations because of the sun’s gravity. Maybe Earl can help me out on this one, he was a physics instructor.

by GoPhish13 on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Part of special relativity...

is that the speed of light remains constant and that space and time distort in order for that to happen.

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by The Earl on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Even if you are traveling at 0.99c, you still perceive light to travel at c relative to you. That is, it’s almost as if light is traveling at 1.99c, but it’s not…spacetime distorts in order to maintain its upper limit of velocity at c.

Anyway, YEAHHH FOOTBALLLLLL!

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by Dolphinole on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol i was testing you

 J/K, I forgot about that……More importantly is anyone attending practice today?

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

this was nice work GoPhish.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)

by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool insight, rec'd

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by finzrule on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

The advent of training camp has brought about some quality posts, hasn't it.

Karlos Dansby (check)
Brandon Marshall (check)
Awesome Defensive Draft. Hell Yeah!

by kdock on Jul 30, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

i really hope we find a way

to keep Sheets on the roster and develope him

its funny…that Buffalo paid such a high price for CJ Spiller whos speed isnt better than Sheets and we paid so little for the better running back.

Cant wait for Dansby and Crowder welcoming him to the NFL and beating the Buffalo Steaks out of him behind that crappy OLine

by Crowder 911 on Jul 30, 2010 3:38 AM EDT reply actions  

speed isn't everything, Spiller is more elusive.

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by PotM on Jul 30, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

how bout ted ginn?

WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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by finzrule on Jul 30, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

alright

WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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by finzrule on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I’d love to see how Ginn compares. He seems significantly faster than most NFL players.

by Skips OCD on Aug 2, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ginn was one of the first people that I thought of to do this for,

so I was pretty bummed when they didn’t have his splits. I think its because he didn’t go to the combine and they just have his pro-day 40 time which doesn’t have splits. I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find them, so if anybody finds them then post them.

by GoPhish13 on Aug 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job by you in this post and Earl in his, to bad we don’t have stats on how fast on average a WR beats a jam, or gets off the line vs a DB, that combined with the 10 yard split time and accelwould really tell you alot about how well a WR can get open.

by scorp on Jul 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

So Hartline isn't that slow? (i thought so.)

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by PotM on Jul 30, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

oh thanks

haha wow trindon ran a 4.21
well he is a track superstar >.>

by berryyyy on Jul 31, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent piece of the puzzle

Great analysis. Agree with above that you really need to break out the acceleration over short distances, probably yard by yard especially for the first ten yards to be able to discriminate “explosiveness”. The other part is vision. If you see something coming you can process the information – typically in 1/10 to 2/10 of a second to react. Backs smart enough to read what defenders are doing, to read their direction and speed and to make the right move to evade and create separation. Kind of like driving. Your reflexes are much faster as a teenager yet accident rates are much higher – because as an adult you have learned to pay attention, read the pattern, see what is developing and act to avoid problems rather than having to react.

by student1776 on Aug 1, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

it's not only in the numbers....it's in the name..........

K ick
O ff
R eturner ?
Y es !!!

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by hwyatt3 on Aug 2, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL Maybe.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 2, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Figured since this post was still up here I would put some numbers up comparing our defenders.

I tried to just put it into the original post, but it was acting crazy.

Initial Acceleration

Vontae Davis (4.63)
Jason Allen (4.44)
Sean Smith (4.27)
Jon Amaya (4.27)
Will Allen (4.22)
Reshad Jones (4.11)
A.J. Edds (3.91)
Kendall Langford (3.81)
Cameron Wake (3.76)
Paul Soliai (3.76)
Koa Misi (3.72)
Tim Dobbins (3.67)
Jared Odrick (3.38)

You may be thinking there are a lot of names that are missing that you would like to see, but a lot of players don’t have splits to go along with their 40 time (Dansby, Crowder, and Starks to name a few). One person that really stuck out to me was Paul Soliai who had the same acceleration as Cameron Wake. Comparing Soliai to other DT’s, he had one of the best 10-yard splits over the past ten years!

Top Speed

Tim Dobbins (10.87)
Jason Allen (10.87)
Will Allen (10.75)
Vontae Davis (10.70)
Sean Smith (10.47)
Reshad Jones (10.36)
Cameron Wake (10.10)
A.J. Edds (10.10)
Jon Amaya (10.10)
Koa Misi (10.05)
Kendall Langford (9.48)
Jared Odrick (9.39)
Paul Soliai (9.22)

Dobbins having tied for the top speed with Jason Allen is surprising. Maybe that’s partly why the two are so good at special teams.

by GoPhish13 on Aug 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

First of all, excellent idea and great post.
CJ starts off with way more acceleration but then LT has more after 10 yards.

Yes… but that doesn’t mean he has better acceleration. I would argue that CJ already has reached a high velocity at 10 yards, but LT hasn’t. Since LT is nowhere near his top velocity, he is able to have a better acceleration from 10 to 20 yards because he has more velocity to be gained. I’d love to see all this data in a graph.

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by Troy Hufford on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I tried to address that right after.

I actually brought up LT having better acc as an example of not looking too much into the acc after 10 yards but to rather compare velocities.

As far as the graphs, I am going to put some of these in a graph and see what it looks like but I am going to have a problem making it look good without any color. If anyone knows how to make color show up on these posts I’m all ears.

by GoPhish13 on Aug 2, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

great stuff gophish.....really cool numbers.......edds is fairly quick...huh?

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by hwyatt3 on Aug 2, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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