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2010 Training Camp Primer: Leadership a big question for Dolphins

If you remember back to when Joey Porter was released by the Dolphins earlier this offseason, he painted an ugly picture for how the 2009 season ended. He spoke about a lack of leadership. He claimed that head coach Tony Sparano wasn't even speaking to him by the end of the year despite Joey being just one of two healthy team captains. The other two, of course, were on Injured Reserve and didn't attend most practices and meetings.

And the one captain who Sparano did seek out and trust late in the year is not only no longer in Miami - he is now a member of a hated division rival.

Yes, things have changed.

Joey Porter is in Arizona. Jason Taylor is in New York. Jason Ferguson is in retirement. And the lone 2009 captain who remains in Miami, Chad Pennington, is recovering from yet another shoulder injury and is currently penciled in as the third-string quarterback.

Clearly, the locker room dynamic will be very different in 2010. New leaders will need to emerge. The coaching staff will have to rely on new faces for setting the tone, especially late in the season when players grow tired of the head coach's voice.

The coaches and front office, of course, know this. Perhaps that is why the Dolphins went out and drafted seven team captains back in April's draft. Seven. That doesn't happen by accident.

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Back on the final day of the draft, general manager Jeff Ireland told the media that he believes having "good guys" on your team is important because "they're easier to coach and they develop faster than the guys that aren't good kids." Ireland added:

"We're in the business of developing football players, and the faster they develop, the better a team we are. Character has a lot to do with that. When a guy is a team captain and people are leaning on them to make a decision for their football team and making decisions to get those other guys going and motivate them, that's big for me."

With that said, it's unfair to expect any of these rookies to become locker room leaders right away. Instead, there are some key veterans who will need to step into more of a leadership role in 2010 - beginning on Friday when the pads go on for the first time in 2010.

Despite the fact that Pennington will be relegated to a third-string quarterback this year - at least to start camp - he remains the epitome of what a leader should be and could even be a captain again. But there will be at least three vacant captain roles.

Yeremiah Bell could be one of those players who takes a larger leadership role this year. After all, Bell did win the Don Shula Leadership Award this past offseason - an award voted on by teammates. Bell's path from a late-round draft pick to Pro Bowl safety has been a long one - but one that can't help but earn the respect of teammates. Upon winning the award a few months ago, Bell told the Sun-Sentinel, "With leadership comes respect. I guess I earned it somewhere along the way, and I'm very happy about it."

Ricky Williams is another guy who might assume more of a leadership role in this locker room. In fact, Dave Hyde reported last month that Tony Sparano has approached Ricky already about doing just that. Ricky seems like he's up to the challenge.

Others who might emerge locker room leaders include Ronnie Brown, Jake Long, Karlos Dansby, and (of course) Chad Henne.

Henne will be particularly interesting to observe starting Friday. It's been his team since week four of last season and he entered the offseason as the undisputed starting quarterback for the first time. How will he command the huddle? How will he take control of this offense - both on the field and in the locker room?

There are lots of question heading into tomorrow's first practice of 2010. But there might not be any bigger than which players rise to the occasion and fill the leadership voids left by the departures of some of the team's most vocal and respected veterans from last season.

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Good article Matty

I personally think that on the defensive side Yeremiah Bell wins the captain spot and Dansby will also win it. For offense I think it will be Marshall because Marshall has shown leadership in the past I mean he was the captain on the Broncos. Assuming that all of his personal problems are solved hopefully he can assume a leadership role to Henne and the rest of the receivers.

by JarrodH on Jul 29, 2010 5:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Miami's Leadership

I am not overly concerned about not having enough leaders on this time. Pennington may not be a starter, but he’s still a respected member of the team and he still has a space in the locker room. One of Henne’s characteristics has at least been his leadership in the huddle and hopefully that translates into the locker room.

I’m not sold on Brown emerging as a leader, but I think Williams has been one and may be a team captain. Other players we have that can assume the roles are Jake Long, Randy Starks, Will Allen, and Yeremiah Bell. Karlos Dansby was also a team captain in Arizone. We still have a lot of respected voices in our locker room.

by Finhead83 on Jul 29, 2010 5:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Losaka Polite!

seems like a good choice to me.

2009 was like picking up a fat chick, You had a little fun, but you don't necessarily want to see it again.
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by phatfinfan on Jul 29, 2010 6:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Chad Henne

Chad will step up and be a leader. He has the intensity and drive .

by dolfan52 on Jul 29, 2010 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

well said

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by Patssuck456 on Jul 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

sound right.......you gotta give the nod to henne......

the other offensive captain could also be marshall, brown, or pennington

probably williams or brown because of their longevity with the team…..

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by hwyatt3 on Jul 29, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake Long...

I like the four you named… I like Jake Long as well if its not Ricky or Henne

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by Seminolephinatic on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

BROWN NEEDS ACCONTABILITY, HE IS OUR TICKET TO DALLAS

GOT TO GO WITH BROWN AND J LONG ON OFFENSE, BROWN BECAUSE HE HAS SEEN IT ALL AND HAS THE SKILLS TO KEEP PRESSURE OFF HENNE WITH HIS FLAIRS AND WILDCAT MASTERY. LONG BECAUSE HE IS A PERENNIAL BODYGUARD AND WHAT A FEELING TO HAVE AS QB WHEN HE TELLS YOU I’VE GOT YOUR BACK. DEFENSE BELONGS TO BELL AND DANSBY, IMO.

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by fin4three5yrs on Jul 29, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

And

You got to go with turning off that caps lock…

by Finhead83 on Jul 29, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you yelling???

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO YELLING ON THE BUS!

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by chrislucas on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

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by Weecho85 on Jul 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's Texas, third to the back by the window........

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I ever had to actually ride the bus.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol the little girl?

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by Weecho85 on Jul 29, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why so mean?

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said the 3rd one from the front.

It just so happens to be a little girl. I did put a question mark so …

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by Weecho85 on Jul 29, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Well I never rode the bus anyhow.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

TCP is a girl?!!

Holy

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Thats Nicky!

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bell, Dansby, Williams, Carey

but if Marques Douglas becomes a starter, I can see him getting a big “C” on his jersey

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by Kdog92 on Jul 29, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah

Starks would have the C before Douglas. My bet is on Henne, Dansby, Bell are likely to be three of them. Just remember there are no restrictions to how many captains you have. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cobbs voted as a special teams captain either.

by Finhead83 on Jul 29, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a question.

how many captains have BP and co. had in the past?

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Last year Miami had 4 set captains with Pennington, Ferguson, Taylor, and Porter. They voted on a special teams captain on a weekly basis.

In 2008, Miami had 3 captains with Vonnie Holliday, Jason Ferguson, and Chad Pennington. Again their special teams captain was voted on a weekly basis.

In 2007 (before Parcells), Miami went with Trent Green, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, and Jay Feely. Honorable mention in this one, the 49ers had 14 team captains during 2007: WR Arnaz Battle, QB Trent Dilfer, C Eric Heitmann, T Jonas Jennings, RB Moran Norris, CB Nate Clements, DE Marques Douglas, CB Walt Harris, LB Derek Smith, DE Bryant Young, K Joe Nedney plus three game captains per week.

The 2007 was the first season the NFL used the captains and their “C” patches. Before this implementation in 2007, only the 1983 Cowboys, 1992 Chargers, and 1994 Patriots designated team captains with a patch or an insignia. As you can see, Miami usually stays between 4 or 5 captains, including special teams. I put the 49ers out there because some teams go way out there. Generally though, I find most teams have between 4 to 8 team captains and some other teams vote on their captains each week.

Hope that helps.

by Finhead83 on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about BP in Dallas?

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, nevermind

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, talking to yourself...?

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least hes shaken the multiple comment virus.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dowloaded Safari!

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it sucks!

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by PotM on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Told you to roll with Google Chrome.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

still haven't got around to asking my parents

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by PotM on Jul 31, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well no better time then the present.

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by texascowpunk on Aug 1, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i got it!

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by PotM on Aug 1, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i got it!

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by PotM on Aug 1, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn!

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by PotM on Aug 1, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No computer. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by PotM on Aug 1, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less worried about leadership, more worried about Character

There’s a troubling trend with this team, giving no more than lip service to character. Why sign a guy like Grant, who may not even be available to start the season? Waiting on a drug suspension, and a conduct suspension? Really? Partially responsible for a woman’s death? We are starting to look like the friggin Bungles.

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by Tree2691 on Jul 29, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Grant

I’m not going to debate Grant’s character issues because he does have some. He probably will not be suspended to start the season. The NFL is holding off on his suspension until they resolve their case with both Williams players from Minnesota. He likely won’t even face the suspension at any point this season because the courts and the appeals process move slowly. Besides, there is not even a guarantee Grant makes the roster. He has a lot of player he’ll be fighting with for a roster spot. It’s not surprising at all to find teams sign a lot of players before training camp because they need bodies to compete. Not all of them will make the roster though.

by Finhead83 on Jul 29, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that hes insurance in case we have problems signing Odrick

I read on a different site that we were close to signing both Odrick and Misi today. Has there been any news of this? Another person I think we should have looked at was Bullock from the Titans. If anything he would have given us another vetran at linebacker

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the census on offense was that Henne took control of the huddle last season, as he got more comfortable

i hope that evolves this season into him becoming a CP10 in the huddle. I haven’t seen a team so fired up & amped than those 08 guys in a long time. One QB that I really love, not only because he’s friggin amazing, is Brees. He’s in the middle of that pre-game hype and getting guys riled up, and if Henne can get not only his offense, but his entire team excited to get on the field, that will be a huge step and a huge factor in how successful the 2010-11 Dolphins will be.

I’d also like to see Long come out as a captain. He’s already earned the respect, time to dominate and make the steps toward putting 77 LONG right there next to 78 WEBB.

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by chrislucas on Jul 29, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I have a hard time seeing the robot as a captain -not that he shouldn't be.

Whenever I see the O in huddle I can’t help but think that the guy towering over everyone else must be saying something.
With all respect the Penne & Henne, Long & Ricky would get my vote. It seems like a no brainer that Dansby will step up and Bell just plain deserves a nod, imo of course.

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by Tunaflipper on Jul 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I really hope he's the beginning of the story...

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by Tunaflipper on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This^

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ricky??????

He’s no captain. He’s a quiet soldier. Best bets are Dansby and Henne

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by closetphinphan on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Why not Ricky?

He teaches group meditation classes and things like that. He leads those all by himself, so I don’t see him incapable of being a captain of a football team.

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by Dolphinole on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, group meditation?, really?

seriously, what in the wide world of sports does that have to do with football, lol, are these all world class meditaters? Anyone can show someone how to do something, its another thing to lead men, his problems kind of cancel that out, remember he does not like or do well in the spotlight.

by uncle finster on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But he has made enormous progress as far as dealing with the spotlight and dealing

with a bunch of guys in a locker room that you know well vs dealing with throngs of media is much different.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has done that,

but he is just not the leader type, you can’t force leaders, they’re either leaders or they’re not.

Ricky is one of those guys you could say he is a leader by example, he hasn’t always been, but he is now, but he is definitely not the guy who is going to tell everyone how it is.

Thats just not in his nature, he has overcome much, and because of that, he is a humble man, to his credit, however a leader on the field can’t be humble.

You have to be able to get in anyones face, if you have to, and run them down if necessarry, he is soooo non confrontational, lol, a great trait in a person, but not a leader, I think it will be Henne and Ronnie on offense, and Dansby and Allen on D.

by uncle finster on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree to that.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got to agree with UF

He has made great strides in dealing with his SAD
But I dont think he is ready to lead.

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by Patssuck456 on Jul 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah really, group meditation

What it has to do is that he has people looking up to him and they go to him for his leadership in a certain area. I do realize that meditation and football are essentially the polar opposites, but you can’t tell me that it’s easy to instruct a group of people without some kind of leadership.

Also, who ever said leaders need to be the guys on the field who chew others’ heads off? I think we all agree here that CP10 is an absolutely awesome captain, but he leads more by his skills in emotional leadership rather than his ability to “tell it like it is.” They look up to him because he knows what he’s doing and he can rally the troops, so to speak. I don’t understand why you don’t think Ricky can’t do that much.

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by Dolphinole on Jul 29, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

CP10 does get in peoples faces when he has to,

it can’t be left out of a leaders ability, because a leader has to do that sometimes, or he’s not a leader.

Ricky does have some kind of leadership, its not what you need in this situation, I mean anybody’s mom could be a meditation group leader, lol, just sayin.

by uncle finster on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never seen CP10 get into anyone's face

Although I don’t doubt that he has. Same thing goes for Ricky – I haven’t seen him in anyone’s face but I don’t doubt that he has the ability. He’s become much more vocal and social from what it seems, and he’s been instructed by Sparano to embrace more leadership. He seems like he’s all about what Sparano wants, so I can definitely see him being more assertive.

A lot of people mention Jake Long as another strong (lol pun) candidate for being a captain, and I’d be supportive of that too except that he hasn’t demonstrated any more leadership than anyone else on the team. He’s the cornerstone of our offensive line for sure, but that doesn’t mean he’s a vocal leader. I think he could still be a great captain though, sort of in the Ricky way – lead by example, yell when you have to.

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by Dolphinole on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn't like the spotlight.......

being a leader puts a huge spotlight on him.

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% agreement,

Ricky is not a leader, nor does he want to be, leaders are leaders period, you can’t force that.

by uncle finster on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we install a passive - resistance offence I'd go with Ricky.

The stuff Ricky teaches is all Zen and inner peace. But really the guy doesn’t like the spotlight, he doesn’t like conflict and he’s way happier letting his actions speak for him. I’m not saying he’s not a competitor- last year proved he still has fire – but his nature is not to seek or attract attention.

I don’t see Ricky as a man comfortable assuming the mantle of leadership. I do see that in Henne, leadership is just part of being a QB – he’s got to command the huddle or he can’t play the position.

I also see it in Long…look how he handled the whole first overall pick circus…look at his approach/work ethic and his way of staying cool in games and interviews…that and the fact we all hope he’s the LT for another 12 years anyway…adds up to Captain.

I don’t see, other than Dansby, a newcomer being named Captain. A lot of leadership in the NFL is position-specific…MLB’s tend to be captains, it’s the nature of their job, as do FS and obviously QB’s.

Not saying Marshall can’t be a captain…he might well be voted one by the team and that automatically tells you all you need to know. But to have Marshall and Dansby both going out for the coin toss seems unlikely.

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by chrislucas on Jul 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by wild zion beaver on Jul 31, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES, the "Alpha"........

… who’s Omega?

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Henne has the confidence to become a leader this year.

I also think Dansby will earn the rest of the defenses confidence to entrust him as their leader during training camp and preseason. Other than those two, any other so called captains will really just be figureheads.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

I also think Ronnie has a little in him, and maybe Will Allen, or Bell.

by uncle finster on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you Bell, but not Allen and Brown.

Brown’s problem with staying healthy hurts his ability to be a true leader. Leader’s have to stay on the field and lead. Can’t lead from the sideline.

Will Allen’s problem is the fact he’s lost his starting job in the secondary. It is possible he could get it back during TC, but I think unless Smith or Davis struggle, it’s not going to happen. If he’s not a starter, as I stated above, you can’t lead from the sideline.

If I had to pick two others, it would be Bell and Long. Bell because he’s the longest tenured Dolphin and the leader of the secondary. Long because he’s best suited to become the leader of the OL, and is likely to replace Bell eventually as the longest tenured Dolphins with Henne.

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by luvs2drnk on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

As opposed to a tofu or velveeta leader?

LOL

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know which of those two tastes worse.

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rickey Williams a team Captain?

Who would of thought that would even be a possibility a few years ago. Jake Long, Chad Henne, Starks, Bell, Dansby would be my picks in that order.

The best part of getting rid of Porter. I don’t have to hear him in the pregame huddle chant that has nothing to do with football sounding like he got kicked in the balls.

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by 54 on Jul 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see Ricky as a leader.....

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

me either.

But for it to even be a possibility is amazing.

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 29, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the worst part of getting rid of porter.....

If he were still there, there would be no debate on who the leader is. Its doubtful that anyone on the team can match him in that area

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by closetphinphan on Jul 29, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
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by 54 on Jul 29, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said Lefty! Rec'd!

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by texascowpunk on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call him what you want......

……he is a proven leader. You cant deny that defense rallied around him.

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by closetphinphan on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Utill selfishness set in...

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by Alpha6 on Jul 30, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

^^^This

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are good leaders and bad leaders

Nonetheless both are leaders. Porter was a cancer leader.

No doubt some members looked up to him as a leader. That doesn’t mean he was a good leader. He lead but also set a bad example.

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by 54 on Jul 30, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why does Bill Cowher call him "my General", lol

and why did we fall apart at the end of the year without his leadership………..

food for thought.

by uncle finster on Jul 30, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree with Dansby and Bell on the defense.

I would say though for offense, I would have to go with Long and either Henne or probably Ronnnie.

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by Chupathingy on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, i am not sold on Ricky as a leader, just because I don't know how assertive he would be able calling someone out

and occasionally that is needed by a leader.

Leadership is granted by those who choose to follow. It can not be arbitrarily assigned. You can certainly designate someone “leader”, but they will be ineffective in that role unless they have earned the right to lead in the eyes of their peers.

First you have to perform at a high level in your job. That will be the first thing teammates look for in someone they will choose to follow.
Second, you have to be able to motivate and encourage those around you to perform at a high level in their jobs. A leader is rarely able to get the best out of folks through fear, intimidation, or ridicule.

I think Porter lost his leadership role last year when he disrespected Sparano during a game. I don’t care about the excuses (“he was just passionate about the game”, etc.). Teammates look at the behavior as well as listen to the words.

I think Henne leads by his actions, and I think as he is more comfortable this year (and as his performance improves), he will be more likely to address directly someone who is not doing their job. It will be very interesting to see how he develops his interaction with Marshall. I think Long is the other guy on Offense who has lead by example on the field, who might be ready to step up vocally this season.

On D, we have quite a few guys who could step up. Dansby certainly, and maybe Bell. Starks could. But one name i haven’t seen consider much is Davis. Or Smith. Even though they are second year guys, the both seem to have a confidence that would allow them to be vocal, and if they start performing at a high level this season they may earn the right to lead.

It could even be Crowder, if he elevates his level of play. From what i can tell, he already has a knack for motivating his teammates with his words. If he can back it up on the field, i think he is a natural.
In my mind, being a leader is not necessarily the same thing and being appointed a team captain at the beginning of the season.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This exactly. Rec'd

Anybody can say they are a leader or be appointed leader but that doesnt mean the people in the trenches are gonna follow you. You have to have the trust of the people below you to be a good leader.

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by Weecho85 on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd question Crowder

He seems more like a follower than anything. Backing up Peezy really irritated me.

by Farorefox on Jul 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say I feel the same way about Crowder

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by Weecho85 on Jul 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

needs to follow the right guy

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by PotM on Jul 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say I bet on Henne, Long, Bell, and Dansby

Though I have no problem with Ricky, Ronnie, or Starks being captains as well, it is a league wide trend to make sure that your QB has a C on his jersey. Long is now a third year, which means he has been around the block a couple times (and the pro bowl block at that). I just see him as the epitome of hard working, professional guy. Bell deserves it; he has been a Dolphin for a long time and an underrated one at that. Dansby apparently was a great leader elsewhere, but I hope he can win the locker room here early. I feel much more confident about our leadership this year than last year, with so many of the real leaders out with injuries (or in the game when the coach pulled them out COUGH Porter).

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by Dakota Phan on Jul 29, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

My money is on Henne, Bell, Dansby, and Marshall

Just gotta think there gonna expect a little more from the big free agents for that kinda $$$$$. Plus higher expectations for Marshall my help keep him out of trouble.

by Bromdenn on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

HENNE NEEDS MORE GAMES

Henne has less than a season under his belt and looking at media reports and fan posts, we can only hope he become a good qb. Let him concentrate on that aspect b4 annointing him captain. I can guarantee all that while on the field, he listened to Ronnie Brown the most and why not. Brown have been there longer than anyone except Ricky, but Ricky bailed out on us for 2 plus seasons, leaving Ronnie to carry the load in a passless offense and had not been his poise in the wildcat we would have not seen success in 2008. Injuries have hurt Brown, but he got them trying to lead us to victories and not just that, he is being the utmost professional about his expiring contract, an example for all to emulate.

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by fin4three5yrs on Jul 29, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I want Richie!

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by Alpha6 on Jul 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

On the other hand, why would you want to be a Dolphin Captain?

This is just an observation by the current FO has been harder on it’s captains than Darth Vader.

Captains in 2007 were Trent Green, Zach Thomas, Jay Feely and Jason Taylor. They, of course were part of the great purge.

But the leadership from 2008, the year of the great revival, has almost as little left. Only Chad Pennington remains. Vonnie Holiday was released and JFerg has retired.

2009. Taylor came back..only to leave again and Porter is also gone. JFeg…see above so Pennington (PUP) remains the sole suvivor.

So far being handed a C in Miami has been like being handed a red shirt on the set of Star Trek.

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by PhrozenPhish on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Poor reasons IMO

You have to think about it really. What did Trent Green, Zach Thomas, and Jason Taylor all have in common in 2008? They were aging veterans on a roster Miami was trying to rebuild with youth. Trent Green and Zach Thomas had also had problems with injuries in their last few years. Jason Taylor, much to the dismay of the fanbase, also had a feud with the front office. Jay Feely also was not the type of guy the front office liked and they had Dan Carpenter on their radar as well.

In 2008, Chad Pennington remained with the Dolphins and Ferguson remained with Miami for the following season only. Becase Vonnie Holiday left via free agency doesn’t mean the front office necessarily kicked him to the curb on bad terms.

In 2009, Taylor had a good relationship with the front office again. Porter initially did, but his feud started during the season. Outside of Crowder, you don’t exactly know which side the rest of the players took. Chad Pennington and Jason Ferguson again served as respected captains. Ferguson retiring after the season does not mean the front office kicked him to the curb. In fact, the front office had every reason to release an aging veteran who was facing an 8 game suspension, but they kept him around anyways. Pennington is still on the roster even though the front office realizes he is no longer a starter, but is still a great veteran they respect.

So if you take a look at it, I don’t think being a captain is a poor omen for the players after all. Pennington and Ferguson both were kept around by the front office and Ferguson made the decision to retire on his own. There was also sufficient reasoning for the team to depart with the rest of the players.

by Finhead83 on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of which is true..

And well reasoned.

I’m not sure I even have a point other than to note they don’t get sentimental about their leadership do they?

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by PhrozenPhish on Jul 30, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami's Leadership

I don’t think it’s that the front office doesn’t get sentimental about leadership. I think they believe they have a lot of capable leaders on the team and I think the staff prefers to have younger players “step up” and become leaders rather than keeping a player past their prime because they are leaders. It’s tough on the fans because we lose great franchise players (Thomas and Taylor), but it is good for the organization because they try to ensure they get the most out of their players on the field. As long as players answer the challenge to become a leader, the team will be ok.

by Finhead83 on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taylor and ZT also were great leaders.

Taylor proved he would take a paycut.

I don’t remember this FO going after Vonnie at all.

Pennington is out if White becomes a solid back-up.

Players are supposed to look up to leaders and try to be a leader, a good one at that. I think a revovling door in leadership is detrimental to this team’s chemistry, both on the field and off. if this continues, this means Sparano has some ego problems.

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by PotM on Jul 30, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leadership

Pennington will still be with Miami. With the former captains off the team, it does not mean Sparano is an egotistical controlling maniac. The departures of each player coincided with Miami’s youth movement during their rebuilding process, that’s all. I don’t see any indications the team is falling apart because Vonnie left a few years ago and Ferguson retired while Taylor went to NY. Miami has enough players on their roster that can be captains for a long time. Pennington, if voted a captain this year, will probably be the next to go next year. Of course, that is an expected move whether or not he’s a captain. Same with Williams as it is possible he may retire. There is nothing to this entire part that Miami is dumping team captains. It’s ridiculous.

by Finhead83 on Jul 31, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if it continues, i think it will be a problem.

There really was no reason to let JT go, as he was good playing and was a positive influence. I believe he said he’d take a reserve/backup role. Are you so sure AF or Misi will be able to replace him? me, i’m not so sure.

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by PotM on Jul 31, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO
red shirt on the set of Star Trek.

the crew member that goes down to the planet’s surface with the away team, who you have never seen before and is never given a first name?

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 30, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL... worse, being one of the girls Kirk was gonna mount...

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by Alpha6 on Jul 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always imagined this massive - galaxy wide paternity suit.

Kirk has to pay child support to half the Delta Quadrant.

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